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Agassi might miss Aussie Open with injured ankle, won't play on clay anymore

alfonsojose
12-08-2005, 01:09 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=2251581

alfonsojose
12-08-2005, 01:10 AM
If the injury is so serious, WTF were u doing in that EXO :smash: a contract? :rolleyes:

ReturnWinner
12-08-2005, 01:11 AM
poor andre :sad: This is could be the end of his career

mongo
12-08-2005, 01:14 AM
If he's a noshow at 2006 AO, put him on my list of players that will "vanish in 2006."

Gigan
12-08-2005, 02:10 AM
Andre continues his training

don't worry so much, fans...


Picture of event on December 7

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/12/07/PH2005120702025.jpg

Cookiedough
12-08-2005, 02:15 AM
I dont think it'll be too long before Agassi retires now

gsm
12-08-2005, 02:15 AM
this news is very sad, but perhaps inevitable.

Deboogle!.
12-08-2005, 02:15 AM
If the injury is so serious, WTF were u doing in that EXO :smash: a contract? :rolleyes:He did two of them! Both included best 2-of-3 matches plus hit-and-giggle doubles

Anyway, hopefully his ankle will improve enough for him to be able to play.

amierin
12-08-2005, 02:23 AM
:bs: :bs: :bs:

Bet the ankle heals in time for Dubai so he can pick up that big check and all the swag.

GonzoFan
12-08-2005, 02:30 AM
sad news! :sad: poor Andre! :sad:

tangerine_dream
12-08-2005, 02:34 AM
His ankle will be fine. It just takes longer for 30-somethings to recover from injuries.

But I am very happy to hear that he's going to forgo the clay season. Clay is no good for his body anymore. I'd rather see him healthy at Wimbledon.

R.Federer
12-08-2005, 02:45 AM
Oh no, this is terrible
Add to the hip problem, sciatic nerves, and now this. I guess its going to be very difficult for him to play even half schedule next year
I hope he can play Australia Open, and do well

nobama
12-08-2005, 03:08 AM
If he can't even play half a schedule, then he should retire. I didn't know players could choose to skip an entire season... :shrug:

prima donna
12-08-2005, 03:48 AM
Andre should be able to leave on his own terms, last I checked, he was capable of beating everyone at their best, with the exception of Roger and is a 2005 USO Finalist. Not bad for an "old" man that's proven all he has and ever needs to on clay.

Why risk ruining what chances you have left of winning a GS by playing 30 ball rallies with dirtballers? It's simply uncalled for.

Clay is just a necessary evil, if you ever want to be considered great, all of the greats have skipped Roland Garros at some point or another, if you look in the past, it was the red-headed step child of them all. The only slam that received less attention was the Australian Open and even that would be a bit of a reach.

Billabong
12-08-2005, 03:49 AM
:sad::bigcry: Andre was a great clay court player, he'll be missed:sad:

superpinkone37
12-08-2005, 03:54 AM
:( I hope he recovers...he needs to retire on his own terms after playing well, not retire because injury forces him to.

mandoura
12-08-2005, 04:01 AM
:sad:

mangoes
12-08-2005, 04:29 AM
Oh this is sad news to read :sad: . I really hope he can recover.

Hola Mr. SK
12-08-2005, 05:04 AM
Its hard for him to win another GS title, only if he plays mixed doubles with Graf. :angel:

nobama
12-08-2005, 05:19 AM
Andre should be able to leave on his own terms, last I checked, he was capable of beating everyone at their best, with the exception of Roger and is a 2005 USO Finalist. Not bad for an "old" man that's proven all he has and ever needs to on clay.

Why risk ruining what chances you have left of winning a GS by playing 30 ball rallies with dirtballers? It's simply uncalled for.

Clay is just a necessary evil, if you ever want to be considered great, all of the greats have skipped Roland Garros at some point or another, if you look in the past, it was the red-headed step child of them all. The only slam that received less attention was the Australian Open and even that would be a bit of a reach.Sorry, but I don't agree that clay is a "necessary evil". What basis do you have for making that statement?

I don't think it's fair that Agassi should get to pick and choose where he wants to play just because he's Andre Agassi and is 35 years old. I can understand missing a tournament here and there because of injury - it happens to most players. But to announce that you're skipping an entire season? Is he going to be fined for missing Monte Carlo, Rome, Hamburg and RG? If he's unable to play in Australia I think he should pack it in. Then at least the last memory most people have of him is playing Fed hard in the US Open final. The way he was in Shanghai was no fun to watch and I'm sure it wasn't any fun for him either.

El Legenda
12-08-2005, 05:32 AM
:( I hope he recovers...he needs to retire on his own terms after playing well, not retire because injury forces him to.

nobody leave after playing well, they get cocky and keep playing and then suck- see Ivanisevic after 2001 wimby :)

*Ljubica*
12-08-2005, 06:19 AM
Sorry, but I don't agree that clay is a "necessary evil". What basis do you have for making that statement?

I don't think it's fair that Agassi should get to pick and choose where he wants to play just because he's Andre Agassi and is 35 years old. I can understand missing a tournament here and there because of injury - it happens to most players. But to announce that you're skipping an entire season? Is he going to be fined for missing Monte Carlo, Rome, Hamburg and RG? If he's unable to play in Australia I think he should pack it in. Then at least the last memory most people have of him is playing Fed hard in the US Open final. The way he was in Shanghai was no fun to watch and I'm sure it wasn't any fun for him either.

100% totally agree with you :) but seems there are rules for Mr. Agassi and then rules for everyone else on the ATP Tour :rolleyes:

diegogg
12-08-2005, 07:14 AM
who completely crucified a player for skipping a slam and then encourages another one to do it because of the GS it is???:rolleyes:

idolwatcher1
12-08-2005, 07:15 AM
I really hope he recovers and continues to play well!

its.like.that
12-08-2005, 07:24 AM
Andre should be able to leave on his own terms, last I checked, he was capable of beating everyone at their best, with the exception of Roger and is a 2005 USO Finalist. Not bad for an "old" man that's proven all he has and ever needs to on clay.

At the US Open 2005 - Agassi played one top 30 player, and lost - hardly "everyone at their best".

Furthermore, considering that a substantial number of players are at their best on clay, if Agassi refuses to play on clay, therefore he can no longer beat those players at their best.

You weren't accepted into MENSA for nothing. :wavey:

its.like.that
12-08-2005, 07:31 AM
that said, it will be nice to see Agassi finally leave, he has been polluting the air at slams for too long now, it has to stop.

DrJules
12-08-2005, 10:05 AM
Clay is just a necessary evil, if you ever want to be considered great, all of the greats have skipped Roland Garros at some point or another, if you look in the past, it was the red-headed step child of them all. The only slam that received less attention was the Australian Open and even that would be a bit of a reach.

One of the strengths of the 4 grand slams at the moment is that they are played on 4 different surfaces; Australian Open on Rebound Ace, Roland Garros on clay, Wimbledon on grass and the US Open on Decoturf. Each surface provides a different test and challenge to each player. A very good player e.g. Andy Roddick has proved his ability to match the challenge on 3 surfaces while an outstanding player like Roger Federer has performed to a very high standard on 4 surfaces. Andre Agassi has the unique distinction of being the only player to have won grand slams on all 4 surfaces.

DrJules
12-08-2005, 10:10 AM
Sorry, but I don't agree that clay is a "necessary evil". What basis do you have for making that statement?

I don't think it's fair that Agassi should get to pick and choose where he wants to play just because he's Andre Agassi and is 35 years old. I can understand missing a tournament here and there because of injury - it happens to most players. But to announce that you're skipping an entire season? Is he going to be fined for missing Monte Carlo, Rome, Hamburg and RG? If he's unable to play in Australia I think he should pack it in. Then at least the last memory most people have of him is playing Fed hard in the US Open final. The way he was in Shanghai was no fun to watch and I'm sure it wasn't any fun for him either.

The reality is that if they forced him to play these events he would retire and they would lose a player who attracts television viewers and spectators to events. Unfortunately, the commercial reality is that players of Agassi's status can coerce the tour to meet their demands.

its.like.that
12-08-2005, 10:28 AM
Andre Agassi has the unique distinction of being the only player to have won grand slams on all 4 surfaces.

Yes, Rod Laver was a quarterback for the Miami Dolphins.

DrJules
12-08-2005, 10:34 AM
Yes, Rod Laver was a quarterback for the Miami Dolphins.

Australian Open, Wimbledon and US Open were on grass and the French Open was on clay in 1969.

jtipson
12-08-2005, 10:57 AM
Andre Agassi has the unique distinction of being the only player to have won grand slams on all 4 surfaces.

Nope. Mats Wilander also did it.

DrJules
12-08-2005, 11:03 AM
Nope. Mats Wilander also did it.

Correct. My fault I should have said Australian Open, French Open, Wimbledon and US Open all on different surfaces. As you correctly stated Mats Wilander won the Australian Open on grass (beating McEnroe in the semi-final) and Rebound Ace later in his career.

Action Jackson
12-08-2005, 11:16 AM
Nope. Mats Wilander also did it.

Oh no don't spoil the legend of Agassi to suggest someone else had done it first.

Galaxystorm
12-08-2005, 11:16 AM
It's obvious , Agassi was faking his injury in Shanghai as Agassi's dumbass-haters said :retard:

nobama
12-08-2005, 11:33 AM
The reality is that if they forced him to play these events he would retire and they would lose a player who attracts television viewers and spectators to events. Unfortunately, the commercial reality is that players of Agassi's status can coerce the tour to meet their demands.I understand all this, doesn't mean it's right. He should have to abide by the same rules as every other player.

*Ljubica*
12-08-2005, 11:58 AM
I understand all this, doesn't mean it's right. He should have to abide by the same rules as every other player.

Yet again I agree with you completely.

Grinder
12-08-2005, 12:30 PM
It's pretty sad, several players blatantly miss/boycott the short grass court season and there's no problem with it. The fact that Agassi can stay in the top 10 by playing less than 15 tournaments is a testament to his ability and greatness.

MartinaH4MVP
12-08-2005, 12:37 PM
Great that Agassi is skipping the clay. Finally he'll get a good shot at winning Wimbledon again!

*Ljubica*
12-08-2005, 12:37 PM
It's pretty sad, several players blatantly miss/boycott the short grass court season and there's no problem with it. The fact that Agassi can stay in the top 10 by playing less than 15 tournaments is a testament to his ability and greatness.

What I find sad is that when players like Kuerten, Gaudio etc skip Wimbledon some people here jeer and smirk and decry the fact that the injuries they cite for withdrawal are genuine - and yet when the great God Agassi skips a Slam he is allowed to do it :rolleyes: I don't deny that he was a great player who did a lot for the sport - but he is a human being and, like Mirkaland, I think he should be treated the same as averyone else. Just my opinion anyway.

Action Jackson
12-08-2005, 12:52 PM
It's pretty sad, several players blatantly miss/boycott the short grass court season and there's no problem with it. The fact that Agassi can stay in the top 10 by playing less than 15 tournaments is a testament to his ability and greatness.

What is sad, is that some people don't get the fact that the major clay season is from Apr 17 to June 11 with 3 TMS events and a Slam within that timeframe and what's the grass season not even close to that length, if they had the same build up and near enough the same time, then it has more reason for a gripe.

Since when is 3 players considered to be several? Players shouldn't skip Slams, but can't have that, can we.

yomike
12-08-2005, 01:02 PM
Andre should be able to leave on his own terms, last I checked, he was capable of beating everyone at their best, with the exception of Roger and is a 2005 USO Finalist. Not bad for an "old" man that's proven all he has and ever needs to on clay.

Why risk ruining what chances you have left of winning a GS by playing 30 ball rallies with dirtballers? It's simply uncalled for.

Clay is just a necessary evil, if you ever want to be considered great, all of the greats have skipped Roland Garros at some point or another, if you look in the past, it was the red-headed step child of them all. The only slam that received less attention was the Australian Open and even that would be a bit of a reach.

Apparently even words aren't immune to cancer. :o . Enjoy your wretched life hating clay.
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revolution
12-08-2005, 01:17 PM
100% totally agree with you :) but seems there are rules for Mr. Agassi and then rules for everyone else on the ATP Tour :rolleyes:

Gaston does the same as Agassi, only grass instead! :)

revolution
12-08-2005, 01:19 PM
What is sad, is that some people don't get the fact that the major clay season is from Apr 17 to June 11 with 3 TMS events and a Slam within that timeframe and what's the grass season not even close to that length, if they had the same build up and near enough the same time, then it has more reason for a gripe.

Since when is 3 players considered to be several? Players shouldn't skip Slams, but can't have that, can we.

There should be an extended grass season, organisers sort it out!

Experimentee
12-08-2005, 01:22 PM
If Andre's body won't allow him to play on clay he shouldnt have to. The tour is set up so that everyone has the right to make their own schedule and play whatever they want, and if he wants to forgo the points from the TMS then its his decision.
I would just like to see him stay healthy and only play the events that he has a decent chance in, instead of risking injury in tournaments where he has no chance.

revolution
12-08-2005, 01:24 PM
I still think Agassi should play RG, skipping the Slams is wrong in my mind, he could not play any clay till then, but he should still turn up for the big one.

Guga was genuinely injured in W 04, and his ranking wasn't good enough to get him in in 05, so nobody can really complain if he didn't play.

prima donna
12-08-2005, 01:27 PM
Sorry, but I don't agree that clay is a "necessary evil". What basis do you have for making that statement?

Clay is sort of like eating vegetables, nobody wants to do it, but they have to. I mean, of course there are people that actually enjoy vegetables ... but they are few and far between.

So, what I meant by my remark is that if you don't win on clay then people are well ... never going to consider you that great. That's why I describe it as a necessary evil. Most great players are shotmakers and clay takes that away from them, not that they aren't great at constructing points, it's just that a 20 ball rally (far and few between) on hard, is much different than a 20 ball rally on clay.

Pete Sampras has the cloud of never winning Roland Garros and also accomplishing the small feat. of winning only 3 titles on clay alone, if not for these minor details, he'd be indisputably the best of all time.

Rod Laver, on the other hand, whom accomplished the Grand Slam twice, to my recollection, is considered the greatest by many tennis "experts" and those who advocate versatility.

revolution
12-08-2005, 01:29 PM
This thread is making me smile, the jealousy is unbelievable. Just remember:

Agassi won RG- as much as it hurts you all, it's true.
He has won 4 grand slams.
He is respected in the modern game.
He has won 7 AMS out of 9.
He has won 60 titles on many surfaces.
Gaudio skips grass, it's okay, Agassi skips clay, it's not, erm.. oh I forgot, you can't diss clay.
One rule for him- erm, see above fact, that should put you right.
He is a LEGEND, and has brought joy to the majority of tennis fans for 20 years.

Andre :worship: :worship: :worship:

prima donna
12-08-2005, 01:35 PM
This thread is making me smile, the jealousy is unbelievable. Just remember:

Agassi won RG- as much as it hurts you all, it's true.
He has won 4 grand slams.
He is respected in the modern game.
He has won 7 AMS out of 9.
He has won 60 titles on many surfaces.
Gaudio skips grass, it's okay, Agassi skips clay, it's not, erm.. oh I forgot, you can't diss clay.
One rule for him- erm, see above fact, that should put you right.
He is a LEGEND, and has brought joy to the majority of tennis fans for 20 years.

Andre :worship: :worship: :worship:

I agree and the part about Gaudio is a subject that has been touched on by yours truly, simple fact of the matter is, there is a double-standard going on here.

I've never liked Andre or his personality, even now, I'm not sure how much of his personality is legitimate and not created for the cameras. There comes a point when you are forced to pose the question, how much can a single person possibly change in a 15 - 20 year span ? A great amount, but THAT great ? It's not only a complete 360, but it's 2 of them combined.

Fact remains, he's a wonderful tennis player and has the ideal mentality for an athlete, especially an aging one. He's won each Slam and is a living legend. One would think that this would count for something.

Give the guy a break, I hope he's able to win one last Slam. Just not on Roger's account. :angel:

Action Jackson
12-08-2005, 01:35 PM
This thread is making me smile, the jealousy is unbelievable. Just remember:

Agassi won RG- as much as it hurts you all, it's true.
He has won 4 grand slams.
He is respected in the modern game.
He has won 7 AMS out of 9.
He has won 60 titles on many surfaces.
Gaudio skips grass, it's okay, Agassi skips clay, it's not, erm.. oh I forgot, you can't diss clay.
One rule for him- erm, see above fact, that should put you right.
He is a LEGEND, and has brought joy to the majority of tennis fans for 20 years.

Andre :worship: :worship: :worship:

:hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Next you will be saying the Arabian desert has sand, keep up the profound wisdom Aristotle.

revolution
12-08-2005, 01:38 PM
:hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Next you will be saying the Arabian desert has sand, keep up the profound wisdom Aristotle.

Thanks for the love hearts, I wish you were Jordan Capri. :)

Action Jackson
12-08-2005, 01:39 PM
Thanks for the love hearts, I wish you were Jordan Capri. :)

You know it's true and don't deny it.

lau
12-08-2005, 01:47 PM
:haha: :haha: Agassi is critized for skipping clay and Gaudio is not for skipping grass???!!! :haha: :haha:
Are you kidding me? There are entire threads criticizing Gaudio!!! :rolleyes: And if he played Wimbledon this year there would be complaining about how his grass performance sucks. :rolleyes: Agassi is big, but itīs not God, you know. ;) Everytime he is critized people feel like throwing shit to other players. Some people here just said that he should respect the same rules that the rest of the pro players. I donīt see whatīs so wrong about it. :shrug:
And posting things loke "Andre :worship: :worship: :worship: " and calling him "a LEGEND" doesnīt make a point ;)

revolution
12-08-2005, 02:00 PM
Only a select few criticised Gaudio, the 4 or 5 grass fans that post on MTF.

There's just no real reason to hate Agassi, he's not God, it's just funny the way many of those who hate him are copying off other people's opinion, as they are all of the same clique.

lau
12-08-2005, 02:05 PM
Only a select few criticised Gaudio, the 4 or 5 grass fans that post on MTF.

There's just no real reason to hate Agassi, he's not God, it's just funny the way many of those who hate him are copying off other people's opinion, as they are all of the same clique.
I donīt hate him, I just donīt like him as I like other players.
He obviously doesnīt recieve the same treatment most tennis players recieve. ;) (and this is the main reason why I donīt like him so much :p ) Some people (including me) just donīt think itīs fair. ;)

EDIT: And Gaudio is criticised by much more than 5 or 4 grass fans... and not only for skipping Wimbledon this year. ;)
EDIT 2: I really donīt mind if a player feels like skipping a tournament and/or season as long as respects the rules like anybody else :shrug: I enjoy more watching Karlovic on grass than Gaudio and vise versa on clay.

Pigpen Stinks
12-08-2005, 02:14 PM
I'm not a big Agassi fan either. I respect the way he transformed from a supremely talented yet undisciplined kid into a great champion, but I'm still not crazy about his personality. That said, I think it's silly to berate him for skipping the clay court season. For starters, it would be the equivalent of career suicide for him to attempt to play on clay. The guy's body is giving out, and to put it through another clay season would sacrifice his chances at the tournaments he has the best chance to do well in.

It's not as if he's asking for wild cards into events. He's earned a very high ranking in spite of his limited schedule, so I think he should be able to pick his spots. Considering his fragility, I would limit his schedule to something like the following:
1) That exhibition tune-up right before the AO where they typically have like 8 of the top guys playing round robin.
2) AO
3) Maybe one event before Indian Wells
4) Indian Wells
5) Miami, unless he goes really deep at Indian Wells, in which case he should pass
6) Wimbledon - I don't think he needs to bother with one of the warm up events, just hope you don't run into someone like Karlovic or Rusedski in the first round
7) Either Montreal or Cincy, probably Cincy
8) US Open

That's it. So, a maximum of 8 tournaments (1 an exhibition), possibly as few as 6. Davis Cup if he really feels like it, but probably best to let Ginepri and/or Blake step up.

Give the old man a break. He's earned the right to go out on his own terms.

shotgun
12-08-2005, 02:14 PM
EDIT 2: I really donīt mind if a player feels like skipping a tournament and/or season as long as respects the rules like anybody else :shrug: I enjoy more watching Karlovic on grass than Gaudio and vise versa on clay.

Yep, if both Gaudio and Agassi manage to achieve their main goals (and that is, remaning a top 10 player), despite skipping majors, then congrats to them for actually planning their schedules correctly. They're already being punished in their rankings for not playing mandatory tournaments.

DrJules
12-08-2005, 02:26 PM
:haha: :haha: Agassi is critized for skipping clay and Gaudio is not for skipping grass???!!! :haha: :haha:
Are you kidding me? There are entire threads criticizing Gaudio!!! :rolleyes: And if he played Wimbledon this year there would be complaining about how his grass performance sucks. :rolleyes: Agassi is big, but itīs not God, you know. ;) Everytime he is critized people feel like throwing shit to other players. Some people here just said that he should respect the same rules that the rest of the pro players. I donīt see whatīs so wrong about it. :shrug:
And posting things loke "Andre :worship: :worship: :worship: " and calling him "a LEGEND" doesnīt make a point ;)

I note the following regarding the players respective records at the French Open and Wimbledon. It can be seen that over his career Agassi has previously shown a very strong commitment to the French Open which is very different from Gaudio's commitment to Wimbledon.

Agassi: played French Open 17 times including 1xwin + 2xfinal + 2xsemi-final
Gaudio: played Wimbledon 5 times with 4 x 1st round exit + 1 x 2nd round exit

Only now that his body is struggling is Agassi missing the French Open. Gaudio is much younger and his body can handle more physical stress.

LaTenista
12-08-2005, 02:31 PM
Clay is sort of like eating vegetables, nobody wants to do it, but they have to. I mean, of course there are people that actually enjoy vegetables ... but they are few and far between.


:bs:

Top prize to prima donna for worst analogy of the year on this board.

There are a lot more vegetarians in this world than you think. :p

LaTenista
12-08-2005, 02:35 PM
Back to topic, I think more people are apt to critize Agassi because he is so well known, whereas the general public probably has no clue who Gaudio is unless they tuned into the RG 2004 final.

It will be very sad when he retires, but it's Andre's choice what tournaments he plays and when he gives up tennis. ATP/ITF won't cause a fuss trying to force a "legend" to play mandatory events. Status quo.

lau
12-08-2005, 02:36 PM
I note the following regarding the players respective records at the French Open and Wimbledon. It can be seen that over his career Agassi has previously shown a very strong commitment to the French Open which is very different from Gaudio's commitment to Wimbledon.

Agassi: played French Open 17 times including 1xwin + 2xfinal + 2xsemi-final
Gaudio: played Wimbledon 5 times with 4 x 1st round exit + 1 x 2nd round exit

Only now that his body is struggling is Agassi missing the French Open. Gaudio is much younger and his body can handle more physical stress.
First of all, I think itīs not necessary explaining why Agassi might have a better RG record than Gaudio a Wimbledon one ;) Itīs not only about commitment ;) , itīs about confidence on the surface, how can you addapt your game to the surface, etc, etc, etc... No need to explain, I guess. ;) :rolleyes: (all this without considering the age gap, which means huge record differences)

I wonīt discuss that..., and that was not my point. My point is, pro players should respect the same rules. You canīt handle what is required, then retire and play the Delta Tour :p But the ATP, just make things easier to Andre ;) If Gaudio was injured he had the right to skip Wimbledon, the same right Andre has got to skip RG if he is injured.
I donīt care if his body can or canīt handle the MANDATORY clay events. Unless he is injured (or thereīs other valid reason), Agassi MUST play them (if he wants to be considered a pro player). I just donīt think he does it ;)

Dollars & Cents
12-08-2005, 02:39 PM
I don't understand the criticism of Agassi missing the claycourt season.

So what? As good as he is (even on clay he proved that still in Rome this year) there are better players on that surface now - some of which will still NEVER win the French Open.

But if all that means we get to see him 100% fit at Wimbledon, then I'd rather see that then Federer vs Roddick Part III.

prima donna
12-08-2005, 02:41 PM
Top prize to prima donna for worst analogy of the year on this board.


Wow! Do I get prize money or a trophy ? Points ? How does this work ? I didn't realize that I was contending, but since I've won something it'd be foolish not to take advantage. :)

Pigpen Stinks
12-08-2005, 02:43 PM
"I donīt care if his body can or canīt handle the mandatory clay events. Unless he is injured (or thereīs other valid reason), Agassi MUST play them (if he wants to be considered a pro player)"

Ummm, I think that's your opinion, lau. Is it stated in the ATP rules that a player MUST play all these events if he wants to be considered a pro? I think not.

As has aptly been noted, he merely gets no points for those events he chooses to skip. I don't understand the obsession with thinking these guys need to play all these events.

DrJules
12-08-2005, 02:45 PM
It will be very sad when he retires, but it's Andre's choice what tournaments he plays and when he gives up tennis. ATP/ITF won't cause a fuss trying to force a "legend" to play mandatory events. Status quo.

The reality is that he will either have to retire because his body will not handle a full schedule or play a reduced schedule. The ATP/ITF privately except this reality and would rather keep him on the tennis circuit. Whether people like it or not, sport is a business and they want to keep one of their key assets.

LaTenista
12-08-2005, 02:46 PM
Wow! Do I get prize money or a trophy ? Points ? How does this work ? I didn't realize that I was contending, but since I've won something it'd be foolish not to take advantage. :)

It'll be handed out at Roland Garros 2006. ;)

lau
12-08-2005, 02:47 PM
"I donīt care if his body can or canīt handle the mandatory clay events. Unless he is injured (or thereīs other valid reason), Agassi MUST play them (if he wants to be considered a pro player)"

Ummm, I think that's your opinion, lau. Is it stated in the ATP rules that a player MUST play all these events if he wants to be considered a pro? I think not.

As has aptly been noted, he merely gets no points for those events he chooses to skip. I don't understand the obsession with thinking these guys need to play all these events.
The ATP and ITF are the ones who say they are mandatory, not me :shrug: (of course, unless you`re injured, certain personal reasons, etc, etc) As I said previously , I donīt mind if certain player feels like skipping certain tournaments and/or season as long as he respects the rules like any other ATP player ;)
I have no obsession at all with this issue, I just donīt think itīs fair.

Experimentee
12-08-2005, 02:50 PM
First of all, I think itīs not necessary explaining why Agassi might have a better RG record than Gaudio a Wimbledon one ;) Itīs not only about commitment ;) , itīs about confidence on the surface, how can you addapt your game to the surface, etc, etc, etc... No need to explain, I guess. ;) :rolleyes: (all this without considering the age gap, which means huge record differences)

I wonīt discuss that..., and that was not my point. My point is, pro players should respect the same rules. You canīt handle what is required, then retire and play the Delta Tour :p But the ATP, just make things easier to Andre ;) If Gaudio was injured he had the right to skip Wimbledon, the same right Andre has got to skip RG if he is injured.
I donīt care if his body can or canīt handle the MANDATORY clay events. Unless he is injured (or thereīs other valid reason), Agassi MUST play them (if he wants to be considered a pro player). I just donīt think he does it ;)

Being injured is the same thing as saying your body can't handle it. I dont see why the two should be treated differently. Agassi does have some ongoing injury problems, he has to take cortisone shots so if he does decide to skip the clay season, he obviously has legitimate physical reasons, which is same as injury.

lau
12-08-2005, 02:52 PM
Being injured is the same thing as saying your body can't handle it. I dont see why the two should be treated differently. Agassi does have some ongoing injury problems, he has to take cortisone shots so if he does decide to skip the clay season, he obviously has legitimate physical reasons, which is same as injury.
Maybe I misunderstood the words :) As long as it is "legal" according to ATP (and ITF) rules, I donīt mind (and I already gave my reasons for this). If not, let all the players do the same Andre does. I just think all players should recieve the same treatment.
EDIT: or change the rules and regulations and give all the players the same opportunities ;)

Back to topic, I think more people are apt to critize Agassi because he is so well known, whereas the general public probably has no clue who Gaudio is unless they tuned into the RG 2004 final.

It will be very sad when he retires, but it's Andre's choice what tournaments he plays and when he gives up tennis. ATP/ITF won't cause a fuss trying to force a "legend" to play mandatory events. Status quo.
Exactly, I just donīt think itīs fair for the rest :)

alfonsojose
12-08-2005, 03:16 PM
Poor Andre :sad:

keep_er_lit!
12-08-2005, 04:20 PM
I personally don't have that much of a problem with Andre missing Roland Garos, if he was to have an extended run in it, then there's every possibility that he would have to miss another slam - Wimbledon because he may not be able to recover in time for it.

tangerine_dream
12-08-2005, 04:59 PM
Has it not occured to some of you clay-lovers/Agassi-haters that playing on the clay actually aggravates his sciatic nerve problem? The last two years he's played on clay, that's when his back started acting up bad and he'd have to sit out the grass season recovering. This isn't a coincidence. He's not a spring chicken anymore and everybody knows that playing on clay is harder on your body than fastcourts.

And yes, Agassi can do whatever the hell he wants and get away with it because he has seniority and he is the one who brings in all the $$$ money. He is the only player out there who transcends tennis and is well-known and liked throughout the world. Not Roger the Great. Not Andy's Mojo. And not the whippersnapper Fed-killas. So there. :p

TheMightyFed
12-08-2005, 05:01 PM
everybody knows that playing on clay is harder on your body than fastcourts.
Not so sure, for the articulations part at least, Wilander for example was saying the contrary

R.Federer
12-08-2005, 06:39 PM
People must understand that andre give up playing on clay is not his hatred for clay! Rather, it is the fact that clay playing is taking more out of him, which is increasingly difficult with the physical difficulty he has had now
It does not mean clay is stupid or clay is hated, it just proves that you have to be in top physical to play on the clay

Galaxystorm
12-08-2005, 06:58 PM
everybody knows that playing on clay is harder on your body than fastcourtsNot so sure, for the articulations part at least, Wilander for example was saying the contrary

It depends on what we understand with " harder on your body ".

Claycourt matches recquire more minutes of play , points longer , so the fatigue and physical demand/necessity is higher on clay , but on the other hand the lower extremities suffer more on fast courts since the movements of these extremities are sharper than on clay because on clay the player can slide on the court and on the other surfaces it's much more difficult to slide and thus when the player is running and has to stop , this stop is much more violent and the feet, ankles , legs , knees bear more pressure .

Do you remember Shanghai court ??, that sticky court , that court was the worst possible for Andre, Roger and Rafa since they had ankle injuries . When a player has ankle problems the worst courts are those where the player can't slide.

DrJules
12-08-2005, 07:26 PM
Has it not occured to some of you clay-lovers/Agassi-haters that playing on the clay actually aggravates his sciatic nerve problem? The last two years he's played on clay, that's when his back started acting up bad and he'd have to sit out the grass season recovering. This isn't a coincidence. He's not a spring chicken anymore and everybody knows that playing on clay is harder on your body than fastcourts.

And yes, Agassi can do whatever the hell he wants and get away with it because he has seniority and he is the one who brings in all the $$$ money. He is the only player out there who transcends tennis and is well-known and liked throughout the world. Not Roger the Great. Not Andy's Mojo. And not the whippersnapper Fed-killas. So there. :p

You have decided to define a number of posters as clay-lovers/Agassi-haters. Actually the point they are making is that it is not fair to other players to show preferential treatment to certain players. It is not a dislike of Agassi or clay preference. Check the thread and it will confirm what I am saying.

Yes. In the USA Agassi may be the biggest name in tennis. What evidence to you have that he is the biggest draw outside the USA. A lot of other top players draw in the crowds as well.

Pigpen Stinks
12-08-2005, 08:09 PM
The ATP and ITF are the ones who say they are mandatory, not me :shrug: (of course, unless you`re injured, certain personal reasons, etc, etc) As I said previously , I donīt mind if certain player feels like skipping certain tournaments and/or season as long as he respects the rules like any other ATP player ;)
I have no obsession at all with this issue, I just donīt think itīs fair.

I see your point. We just have a difference of opinion. I'm just not sure exactly how it's unfair to other players if Agassi chooses to skip a bunch of these tournaments. I'm not well versed on what the ATP actually does if a player blows off a Masters Series or Slam for no reason. Let's say Nalby skips Miami because he feels like laying on the beach. I suppose he's subject to a fine? I guess this is the part that you are saying isn't fair to others.

I know the idea is to get all the top players in the same field, at least for those 13 events, and to be able to put out the best product for the fans. Just not possible for a guy like Agassi at this stage of his career. How many amongst, say the top 30, actually played all 13 this past year. My guess is very few. That Paris draw was a joke. Maybe they should require participation in at least 6 of the 9, or just reduce the number of TMS events to try to ensure the strongest possible fields at the remaining events. Just throwing out ideas. I'm sure they've been bandied about on here before.

RogiFan88
12-08-2005, 08:41 PM
It's pretty sad, several players blatantly miss/boycott the short grass court season and there's no problem with it. The fact that Agassi can stay in the top 10 by playing less than 15 tournaments is a testament to his ability and greatness.

AA was able to stay at the top of the rankings for years precisely because he reduced his schedule, which helped him stay healthy. He carefully chose [and still does] the tournaments he plays in order to be able to remain as injury-free as poss and not push himself too much. ;)

rod99
12-08-2005, 09:49 PM
Oh no don't spoil the legend of Agassi to suggest someone else had done it first.

as usual, George takes a stab at agassi whenever he has the chance. i've read a lot of your threads and it's amazing to see the hatred you have for agassi. ridiculous.

revolution
12-08-2005, 10:14 PM
as usual, George takes a stab at agassi whenever he has the chance. i've read a lot of your threads and it's amazing to see the hatred you have for agassi. ridiculous.

Don't worry, Agassi winning RG hurt him. Had Agassi not won RG now he'd be going on about it all day long as the big blot on his career. :D

Most of us appreciate the great man. :)

lau
12-08-2005, 10:27 PM
I see your point. We just have a difference of opinion. I'm just not sure exactly how it's unfair to other players if Agassi chooses to skip a bunch of these tournaments. I'm not well versed on what the ATP actually does if a player blows off a Masters Series or Slam for no reason. Let's say Nalby skips Miami because he feels like laying on the beach. I suppose he's subject to a fine? I guess this is the part that you are saying isn't fair to others.

Yes, thatīs what I was refering to.

The guy is saying NOW he wonīt play the clay season. I would like to know what would be said here if any other player says these days he`ll skip the grass season :p ;)

almouchie
12-08-2005, 10:32 PM
there goes the AO & Roland Garros
its sad becoz his body is telling him to stop & he doesnt want.
u wouldnt want to see him collapse on the court, wouldnt be a nice site

Pigpen Stinks
12-08-2005, 11:20 PM
Yes, thatīs what I was refering to.

The guy is saying NOW he wonīt play the clay season. I would like to know what would be said here if any other player says these days he`ll skip the grass season :p ;)

I don't get into ragging on these guys too much for skipping events if they don't feel that they can perform well on a particular surface. I know some people do. My thought is that it opens up more spots for players that would like to compete at the event.

I guess it's a touchy subject for some. To each his own. ;)

prima donna
12-09-2005, 01:28 AM
Agassi couldn't win on clay anyway, not at this point in his career. Why even bother ? He's won Roland Garros, but no longer has the physical endurance to hold up over the course of a long match. His stamina is not the question, but his bones and joints are. Let's face it, he's an aging man, with aches and pains.

I think that something like this could be taken the wrong way, it's not as if Agassi is saying that clay is insignificant or a waste of time, I mean ... I doubt he'd come out with such a bold statement. Clay play is important and matters after all. :yeah:

Anyway, I was thinking that Andre's best opportunity at winning a slam was the Australian Open and not the USO, because at this stage of his career the conditions suit him much better. We shall see, but all he really wants is to give himself the best chance to win one more slam. It's not that serious.

Federerthebest
12-09-2005, 02:31 AM
Who cares, it's not like he's missing the hardcourt or grass season. He is missing the least-important time in the tennis calendar: the clay season.

Plastic Bertrand
12-09-2005, 02:33 AM
This is just an all round response, cause after page 1, the silliness reigned supreme.

Agassi has not taken the clay season seriously for the last few years, so in this aspect it is good for him that he has made this decision now. At the same time, the Slams deserve to have all the best players to be there and Agassi is still among the elite players and injury permitting, should be playing at all of the Slams.

The next part, the Agassi apologists are a humourous breed. Any tennis fan with a minimum sense of intelligence or who has watched the game for a few years already knows that Agassi has been one of the greatest players to play the game and his overall record speaks for itself, whether people like him or not, this is very clear. Yet, even with something that is so clear, it is apparent that these apologists think it's alright for Agassi to do this in skipping RG and the clay season, then whine about when certain players don't care about Wimbledon. The rules should be applied all round, so the ones who think it's Ok for Agassi to skip the clay season, then it has to be Ok when other players don't care about grass. For the record I like tennis on all surfaces and each one of them brings something different and that can only be good to myself as a fan.

No player is bigger than the game and the game of tennis was going before Agassi started playing and will continue on when he retires.

its.like.that
12-09-2005, 04:29 PM
It's pretty sad, several players blatantly miss/boycott the short grass court season and there's no problem with it. The fact that Agassi can stay in the top 10 by playing less than 15 tournaments is a testament to his ability and greatness.

not really.

DrJules
12-09-2005, 04:58 PM
Who cares, it's not like he's missing the hardcourt or grass season. He is missing the least-important time in the tennis calendar: the clay season.

All parts of the season are equally important providing tests on rebound ace, clay, grass, decoturf and carpet. Surely the measure of a quality player is one who can adapt to all surfaces and conditions.

Black Adam
12-09-2005, 09:37 PM
Personnaly I think Gaudio and Agassi are right.
Gaudio doesn't like grass never will and knows he will do no good on it so he skips it and goes on vacation.
Agassi doesn't want to damage his body so he skips cllay which is demanding physically.
Both are right and we should respect their decisions for there is a reason they skip those slams.

Deboogle!.
12-09-2005, 09:43 PM
All parts of the season are equally important providing tests on rebound ace, clay, grass, decoturf and carpet. Surely the measure of a quality player is one who can adapt to all surfaces and conditions.Yes, that's true, but it's not like Agassi hasn't proven himself already - he's an RG champion. He has to do what is best for his body. I'd personally rather him miss the clay season than see him hobble off court like that again. It would've been real easy for him to have retired already - many of his contemporaries and even same younger than him are still playing on the senior tour but he is still in the top 10 - I think he's earned the right to pick and choose where he plays :shrug:

Sjengster
12-09-2005, 09:49 PM
This is just an all round response, cause after page 1, the silliness reigned supreme.

Agassi has not taken the clay season seriously for the last few years, so in this aspect it is good for him that he has made this decision now. At the same time, the Slams deserve to have all the best players to be there and Agassi is still among the elite players and injury permitting, should be playing at all of the Slams.

The next part, the Agassi apologists are a humourous breed. Any tennis fan with a minimum sense of intelligence or who has watched the game for a few years already knows that Agassi has been one of the greatest players to play the game and his overall record speaks for itself, whether people like him or not, this is very clear. Yet, even with something that is so clear, it is apparent that these apologists think it's alright for Agassi to do this in skipping RG and the clay season, then whine about when certain players don't care about Wimbledon. The rules should be applied all round, so the ones who think it's Ok for Agassi to skip the clay season, then it has to be Ok when other players don't care about grass. For the record I like tennis on all surfaces and each one of them brings something different and that can only be good to myself as a fan.

No player is bigger than the game and the game of tennis was going before Agassi started playing and will continue on when he retires.

:yeah:

DrJules
12-09-2005, 10:05 PM
Yes, that's true, but it's not like Agassi hasn't proven himself already - he's an RG champion. He has to do what is best for his body. I'd personally rather him miss the clay season than see him hobble off court like that again. It would've been real easy for him to have retired already - many of his contemporaries and even same younger than him are still playing on the senior tour but he is still in the top 10 - I think he's earned the right to pick and choose where he plays :shrug:

I feel that I was misunderstood. My comment about the equality of the 4 surfaces and why they are important was mainly in response to the rather biased comment below:

#84 Originally Posted by Federerthebest "Who cares, it's not like he's missing the hardcourt or grass season. He is missing the least-important time in the tennis calendar: the clay season."

I had in post #27 stated that Andre had won on all 4 surfaces at all 4 grand slams and in post #57 stated that Andre had made a major commitment to the French Open.

Deboogle!.
12-09-2005, 10:12 PM
ah ok, sorry for the misunderstanding:)

aam
12-10-2005, 01:59 AM
this means taht agassi won't becoming to houston :sad:

mandy20
12-10-2005, 09:57 AM
I am glad andre is not playing the clay he should have stop 2 years ago on clay because of his back. He will have more luck at Wimberldon. Andre dose not have to prove to anyone now he has won all the grandslams on 4 surfaces, so he can do what he wants

nobama
12-10-2005, 01:01 PM
I am glad andre is not playing the clay he should have stop 2 years ago on clay because of his back. He will have more luck at Wimberldon. Andre dose not have to prove to anyone now he has won all the grandslams on 4 surfaces, so he can do what he wantsSo once you win all 4 then you can pick and choose where and when you play or if you play at all? :shrug:

nobama
12-10-2005, 01:08 PM
Yes, that's true, but it's not like Agassi hasn't proven himself already - he's an RG champion. He has to do what is best for his body. I'd personally rather him miss the clay season than see him hobble off court like that again. It would've been real easy for him to have retired already - many of his contemporaries and even same younger than him are still playing on the senior tour but he is still in the top 10 - I think he's earned the right to pick and choose where he plays :shrug:Would Andre still be in the top 10 this year had Roger and Rafa not won 11 tournaments each (including 8 MS events and 3 GS), and Marat not crashed and burned after AO?

*Ljubica*
12-10-2005, 01:17 PM
So once you win all 4 then you can pick and choose where and when you play or if you play at all? :shrug:

Would seem so if your name is Agassi :rolleyes:

Winston's Human
12-10-2005, 01:23 PM
Would Andre still be in the top 10 this year had Roger and Rafa not won 11 tournaments each (including 8 MS events and 3 GS), and Marat not crashed and burned after AO?

Probably.

If Roger and Rafa had not won their big events, they would have most likely been won by other top 10ers such as Hewitt (Indian Wells), Coria (Monte Carlo & Rome), Roddick (Cincinnati & Wimbledon), Ljubicic (Madrid), or Nalbandian (at a number of these big events). The only difference would be a smaller point gap between Roger & Rafa and the rest of the top 10.

Gigan
12-11-2005, 02:02 PM
Agassi might miss Aussie Open... :(

MartinaH4MVP
12-11-2005, 02:41 PM
Agassi might miss Aussie Open... :(

I seriously doubt he will miss it dUde. :dog:

revolution
12-11-2005, 03:06 PM
I'll say it again, Gaudio picks and chooses where he plays, including missing Wimbledon uninjured, so why can't Agassi do the same with RG?

Federerthebest
12-11-2005, 03:38 PM
Would seem so if your name is Agassi

Firstly, if 3rd-world dirtballers like Puerta and Gaudio can skip Wimbledon, then a legend like Andre Agassi is surely entitled to do the same.
Secondly, Agassi is a household name throughout most of the developed world. Wherever he plays, he brings profit and exposure to the sport. As such, it is reasonable to expect that the ATP will grant some leeway to Agassi in his tournament choices, lest he become injured and tennis damaged by the absence of one of its biggest stars.

So, in short: yes, if your name is Andre Agassi, then you are certainly entitled to skip Roland Garros - which is, any case, the least important grand-slam, as it is specifically designed for the 3rd-worlders and talentless hacks. :)

nobama
12-11-2005, 04:14 PM
So, in short: yes, if your name is Andre Agassi, then you are certainly entitled to skip Roland Garros - which is, any case, the least important grand-slam, as it is specifically designed for the 3rd-worlders and talentless hacks. :)You're :retard:

*Ljubica*
12-11-2005, 04:29 PM
You're :retard:

As a troll he is actually quite funny :p - it's just when I think he might actually mean some of the stuff he comes out with about "third world dirtballers" etc that I get so :scared: I just want to :bolt:

amierin
12-11-2005, 04:32 PM
So, in short: yes, if your name is Andre Agassi, then you are certainly entitled to skip Roland Garros - which is, any case, the least important grand-slam, as it is specifically designed for the 3rd-worlders and talentless hacks. :)

Unfortunately there is a thread on the "board which shall not be named" which is implying this very thing. It's an ugly sentiment but whenever I hear an American saying the French Open doesn't count because only "dirtballers" can win it this is the sentiment behind the words.

Sampras didn't want to get dirty so he would never play the way he needed to to win the French. Agassi has won it but now with all the "meds" he's on he has to be careful. He was embarrased at RG last year when he had to limp off the court so there is no surprise that he's not playing this year.

revolution
12-11-2005, 04:38 PM
Puerta doesn't skip Wimbledon, he turned up and tried, and he will do better there next year, guaranteed.

Gaudio said after his RG exit 'I don't know whether I will play the grass season' so he weren't injured at all.

There's a big difference between the two Federerthebest.

You're daring to diss clay on MTF, which is against all rules and regulations, if anyone remembers the abuse Neely got for expressing her love for grass when the season started, they'll know what I mean.

Castafiore
12-11-2005, 04:43 PM
You're daring to diss clay on MTF, which is against all rules and regulations, if anyone remembers the abuse Neely got for expressing her love for grass when the season started, they'll know what I mean.
Oh come on...How many times do we have to read this nonsense. Would you get over it, joeyd2005 and stop whining about the so-called MTF bias towards clay that only exists in your head.

revolution
12-11-2005, 06:14 PM
Oh come on...How many times do we have to read this nonsense. Would you get over it, joeyd2005 and stop whining about the so-called MTF bias towards clay that only exists in your head.

There is, hence Agassi's hammering in this thread.

prima donna
12-11-2005, 06:16 PM
Oh come on...How many times do we have to read this nonsense. Would you get over it, joeyd2005 and stop whining about the so-called MTF bias towards clay that only exists in your head.
I didn't realize he was whining, just stating an opinion.

Relax, kiddo. :kiss:

enqvistfan
12-11-2005, 06:19 PM
Sad to not see André in Paris in 2006, he has always been liked in Paris :crying2:

Castafiore
12-11-2005, 06:25 PM
There is, hence Agassi's hammering in this thread.
How does that support your MTF clay bias?

revolution
12-11-2005, 06:29 PM
Because, Mr Gaudio was defended for not turning up at SW19.

Castafiore
12-11-2005, 06:32 PM
Because, Mr Gaudio was defended for not turning up at SW19.
That's it?

So some people defended him for it but what about all those who attacked Gaudio for daring to skip grass tournaments?

revolution
12-11-2005, 06:35 PM
That's it?

So some people defended him for it but what about all those who attacked Gaudio for daring to skip grass tournaments?

One person, prima donna.

DrJules
12-11-2005, 06:36 PM
That's it?

So some people defended him for it but what about all those who attacked Gaudio for daring to skip grass tournaments?

A major difference between Andre Agassi and Gaston Gaudio is their age and physical condition. Gaston is much younger and his body can handle playing a full schedule far more easily . Possibly the ATP needs to make allowances for all the older players to enable them to stay in the game.

Castafiore
12-11-2005, 06:53 PM
I just don't understand why you stick with your 'MTF clay bias', Joey because if you look back on this season alone, you'll find posters who like clay court tennis but you'll just as easy find comments of posters who dislike it or who think it's a surface of lesser importance.

revolution
12-11-2005, 06:57 PM
I don't dislike it, but a select few do, FTB and PD are one of a rare breed. Had certain posters not joined MTF things would be different, and that's coming from someone high up.

Castafiore
12-11-2005, 07:08 PM
Had certain posters not joined MTF things would be different, and that's coming from someone high up.
Could you elaborate?

amierin
12-11-2005, 10:16 PM
I don't dislike it, but a select few do, FTB and PD are one of a rare breed. Had certain posters not joined MTF things would be different, and that's coming from someone high up.


:confused:

Gigan
12-12-2005, 12:47 AM
http://www.monkey-studio.com/agassi_big.jpg

Agassi might miss Aussie Open with injured ankle, won't play on clay anymore...

Gigan
12-12-2005, 01:16 AM
http://www.monkey-studio.com/agassi_big.jpg

Agassi might miss Aussie Open with injured ankle, won't play on clay anymore...

don't miss it, Andre...

Federerthebest
12-12-2005, 03:03 AM
You're daring to diss clay on MTF, which is against all rules and regulations

What do you expect given that a large proportion of the people who frequent this board are from the third-world countries in which claycourt play is dominant? I'm surprised some of these countries even have the Internet.

lau
12-12-2005, 03:05 AM
What do you expect given that a large proportion of the people who frequent this board are from the third-world countries in which claycourt play is dominant? I'm surprised some of these countries even have the Internet.
:retard: This shows how much you know about other countries :rolleyes:

lau
12-12-2005, 03:30 AM
Gaudio said after his RG exit 'I don't know whether I will play the grass season' so he weren't injured at all.
How does 'I don't know whether I will play the grass season' equals 'I`m not injured and I don't know whether I will play the grass season' ?? :confused: The ATP and ITF made it official he was injured, period. If Agassi can justify it by the same rules, fair enough. I just donīt think he follows the same rules because the ATP and the ITF seem to make things easier for him. And although a lot of people here donīt agree with me and think he "deserves" to do what he wants to, they do admit he is not forced to respect the same rules other players respect :)



You're daring to diss clay on MTF, which is against all rules and regulations, if anyone remembers the abuse Neely got for expressing her love for grass when the season started, they'll know what I mean.
Dissing a surface is stupid. Dissing a surface shows how limited a person is and how that person canīt see the beauty of good tennis whether is played on clay or grass, etc, etc ;) :) Of course I prefer certain tennis style, but that doesnīt mean I canīt understand why other people enjoy other tennis styles (which seems to be the problem with many posters here) ;)

its.like.that
12-18-2005, 05:01 AM
I still don't know what's better, him not coming down here at all, or watching him lose.

:D