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Orange Bowl Day 1 report (Young vs. Arnould and Alvarado vs. Antabi)

croat123
12-06-2005, 01:44 AM
I'm putting this in GM cause no one ever looks into the juniors forum.

The Nasdaq site looks so wierd. There's no bleachers anywhere except for court 1 (only seats like 200 at most). The Grandstand somehow has disappeared completely. There's also a million claycourts that I didn't know existed. I got there with some friends around 3pm. Honestly I didn't recognize any of the players there so we just went to court 1 and watched both of the matches that were there.

Alvarado vs. Antabi 6-3 6-1 (Boy's 16s): I think this match shows how good these kids acutally are. The higher ranked of the two, Antabi, is outside of the top600 in the world in the u18 rankings - Alvarado is unranked. Both were really consistent. The difference was the Alvarado had a better transition game. His volleys were surprisingly good. He won it easily after a couple of tight opening games, 6-3 6-1.

Young def. Arnould 6-4 7-6(5): Not as good a match as I had hope. Young came out of fire :eek:. He was hitting winners from everywhere and totally neutralizing Arnould's big serve. Young got up two breaks (3*-0), but there just became too passive. After Arnould broke back for 3-3, Young threw his racquet and got called for racquet abuse. Young then regained his composure and Arnould kinda choked away his serve when he saw he had a chance to take the set. Towards that end of the set, Young kept yelling out "D.Y." whenever he went for a winner. At one point, he hit a drop shot and yelled out "how good is that" :o. Anyways, second set. Arnould had a really good start and got up an early break after a huge forehand pass down the line. But again, with a chance to take a set, he faltered, missed a ton of first serves and just couldn't keep the ball in the court. It went to a tiebreak. Arnould got up 3*-0 in the tb thanks to a big serve, a big return, and another forehand pass winner. He then double faulted and missed an easy approach. Young took advantage and eventually rallied to get up 6*-4. At that point he hit a forehand that looked like a winner and screamed out "come on!" Arnould got to the ball and put up a lob which sailed wide. The ump claimed that Young distracted his opponent with his scream and Young lost the point. On the next match point, Arnould went for a backhand down the line winner which sailed just wide.

There was also a girl's doubles match going on on the neighboring court. No clue who was playing, but it was easily a four hour match that ended 6-4 4-6 6-2. Longest, most boring rallies ever :tape:

wcr
12-06-2005, 02:24 AM
Brilliant idea Croat123. Why not give some attention to the juniors? What the heck, it's the end of the year!

Did you happen to notice if there was a young player by the name of Gail Brodsky in this event? She's the cousin of a friend of mine and I'm curious to know more about her game.

Federerthebest
12-06-2005, 02:26 AM
Does young have one-hand or two-hand backhand?

wcr
12-06-2005, 02:29 AM
Does young have one-hand or two-hand backhand?

Two handed-backhand.

wcr
12-06-2005, 02:31 AM
Here's a link to the USTA. You can read the draws.


http://www.usta.com/juniors/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=271257

My friends cousin - Gail Brodsky - is 14 years old and has wild card into the 18's draw. Her first match is against the #2 seed. Go Gail!

croat123
12-06-2005, 02:56 AM
if i go tomorrow (which i probably won't cause i have class all day) i'll go to her match

otherwise, i'll be there on wednesday and friday. if she falls out to the second seed maybe she'll be in doubles

croat123
12-06-2005, 02:56 AM
Does young have one-hand or two-hand backhand?
two-handed. very nice motion. he hit some great cross-court passes

prima donna
12-06-2005, 03:40 AM
Donald Young sounds like an egotistical punk kid, egotistical on what grounds ? Hm, how was your 2005 U.S Open again Donny boy ? :rolleyes:

jole
12-06-2005, 03:42 AM
Donald Young sounds like an egotistical punk kid, egotistical on what grounds ? Hm, how was your 2005 U.S Open again Donny boy ? :rolleyes:

I've practiced on the court next to him, he is. :p

His coach struggles to keep him concentrating during practice. That said he does have a disgusting amount of talent. Harnessing it, working hard, getting his stamina up, etc. is the hard part now.

mangoes
12-06-2005, 03:50 AM
I'm putting this in GM cause no one ever looks into the juniors forum.

The Nasdaq site looks so wierd. There's no bleachers anywhere except for court 1 (only seats like 200 at most). The Grandstand somehow has disappeared completely. There's also a million claycourts that I didn't know existed. I got there with some friends around 3pm. Honestly I didn't recognize any of the players there so we just went to court 1 and watched both of the matches that were there.

Alvarado vs. Antabi 6-3 6-1 (Boy's 16s): I think this match shows how good these kids acutally are. The higher ranked of the two, Antabi, is outside of the top600 in the world in the u18 rankings - Alvarado is unranked. Both were really consistent. The difference was the Alvarado had a better transition game. His volleys were surprisingly good. He won it easily after a couple of tight opening games, 6-3 6-1.

Young def. Arnould 6-4 7-6(5): Not as good a match as I had hope. Young came out of fire :eek:. He was hitting winners from everywhere and totally neutralizing Arnould's big serve. Young got up two breaks (3*-0), but there just became too passive. After Arnould broke back for 3-3, Young threw his racquet and got called for racquet abuse. Young then regained his composure and Arnould kinda choked away his serve when he saw he had a chance to take the set. Towards that end of the set, Young kept yelling out "D.Y." whenever he went for a winner. At one point, he hit a drop shot and yelled out "how good is that" :o. Anyways, second set. Arnould had a really good start and got up an early break after a huge forehand pass down the line. But again, with a chance to take a set, he faltered, missed a ton of first serves and just couldn't keep the ball in the court. It went to a tiebreak. Arnould got up 3*-0 in the tb thanks to a big serve, a big return, and another forehand pass winner. He then double faulted and missed an easy approach. Young took advantage and eventually rallied to get up 6*-4. At that point he hit a forehand that looked like a winner and screamed out "come on!" Arnould got to the ball and put up a lob which sailed wide. The ump claimed that Young distracted his opponent with his scream and Young lost the point. On the next match point, Arnould went for a backhand down the line winner which sailed just wide.

There was also a girl's doubles match going on on the neighboring court. No clue who was playing, but it was easily a four hour match that ended 6-4 4-6 6-2. Longest, most boring rallies ever :tape:

Thanks for the review. I've read a lot of promising things about Donald Young, but he sounds rather full of himself :eek: .

Chloe le Bopper
12-06-2005, 03:59 AM
Anybody who yells out their initials when hitting a winner automatically makes my list of favourites.

Chloe le Bopper
12-06-2005, 04:00 AM
Thanks for the review. I've read a lot of promising things about Donald Young, but he sounds rather full of himself :eek: .
Sure, but can you blame him?

jole
12-06-2005, 04:02 AM
Anybody who yells out their initials when hitting a winner automatically makes my list of favourites.

I tend to have similar sentiments.

CooCooCachoo
12-06-2005, 09:08 AM
Pff, what an arrogant bloke.

And he's a guy who struggles to win matches on the junior tour as well.

CooCooCachoo
12-06-2005, 09:18 AM
By the way, did you see anything of Leonardo Mayer's match? It's a shocking result that he is out already :o

Anyways, best of luck to Dusan Lojda, Marin Cilic & Rasid Winklaar.

propi
12-06-2005, 11:27 AM
Can anyone provide the draws??? My comp. has issues with PDF and enjoys making a hell out of my life :rolleyes::help:
Is Javier Garrapiz playing it?? any spaniards?? Our federation has the annoying mania of not paying for youngsters trips to big junior events :tape::tape::tape:

croat123
12-06-2005, 01:36 PM
By the way, did you see anything of Leonardo Mayer's match? It's a shocking result that he is out already :o

Anyways, best of luck to Dusan Lojda, Marin Cilic & Rasid Winklaar.
no i didn't. but i saw him at young's match and he was cursing at himself the whole time :o

croat123
12-06-2005, 01:37 PM
Can anyone provide the draws??? My comp. has issues with PDF and enjoys making a hell out of my life :rolleyes::help:
Is Javier Garrapiz playing it?? any spaniards?? Our federation has the annoying mania of not paying for youngsters trips to big junior events :tape::tape::tape:
none pdf draws are at ***************** :)

avocadoe
12-06-2005, 01:50 PM
thanks for the news of the tournament. My tennis coach took some of his top Juniors to Florida this month for the tournaments. I am of 2 minds, lol, feeling abandoned I'd like them to lose early, and him come home so I canresume my lessons. On the other hand I wish them well. Anyway, reality is, there are more tournements than peas in a pod this month, and consolation rounds for those who lose early...so I'll just have to wait. Maybe next year his take his top seniors, lol.

CooCooCachoo
12-06-2005, 02:08 PM
no i didn't. but i saw him at young's match and he was cursing at himself the whole time :o

:lol:

CooCooCachoo
12-06-2005, 02:13 PM
Can anyone provide the draws??? My comp. has issues with PDF and enjoys making a hell out of my life :rolleyes::help:
Is Javier Garrapiz playing it?? any spaniards?? Our federation has the annoying mania of not paying for youngsters trips to big junior events :tape::tape::tape:

Garrapiz is playing. I was going to type the draw out, but now it won't open for me either :shrug:

wcr
12-06-2005, 03:49 PM
Link to the draw sheets:


http://www.usta.com/juniors/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=271257

wcr
12-06-2005, 03:54 PM
Anybody who yells out their initials when hitting a winner automatically makes my list of favourites.

RATFLMfrigginAO

Don't think Roger ever yelled out his initials during a match but he had his share of tantrums playing in the juniors. Quite the smartass I've read. So maybe this bodes well for The Donald of Tennis who is, afterall, a 16 year old boy.

BTW ... I saw The Donald of Tennis play against Arnaud Clement earllier this year at IW. He was very well composed during that match. Quite the young gentleman in fact. Cute kid.

jole
12-06-2005, 08:25 PM
Tuesday 6th December 2005
Thick fog covered the area this morning, delaying the start. The first tier of matches began when bright sunshine burned through leaving behind warm and sultry conditions. However, at 12:24pm rain stopped play, and we are currently in a rain delay.

croat123
12-07-2005, 02:31 AM
i didn't have time to go today. hopefully, i'll be there from 2-5 tomorrow, 1-4 thursday, and all day friday

Christina
12-07-2005, 04:21 AM
Does anyone know why Sweeting retired?

Go Paris in the next round! :woohoo:

Rosa Luxembourg
12-07-2005, 06:09 AM
Does anyone know why Sweeting retired?

Go Paris in the next round! :woohoo:


It looked like he pulled a hamstring and then later started cramping (not sure whether it was connected to an esrly injury, but it was extremely humid)

Also, Cilic's match was suspended due to a rain at 6-2 6-6 (6-2) and before Cilic serving second serve on a match point ;) . They came back on court in 2.5 hours just for one serve (a huge unreturnable one). BTW, I was very impressed with this guy.

Christina
12-07-2005, 06:19 AM
It looked like he pulled a hamstring and then later started cramping (not sure whether it was connected to an esrly injury, but it was extremely humid)
Thanks for that :wavey:

What did you think of his opponent's game if it's not too much trouble?

Rosa Luxembourg
12-07-2005, 06:23 AM
It was a very good match. Not really much between those 2, at least not in this match.

propi
12-07-2005, 11:27 AM
Garrapiz is playing. I was going to type the draw out, but now it won't open for me either :shrug:
Thanks for your info and your try :wavey:

CooCooCachoo
12-07-2005, 12:46 PM
Thanks for your info and your try :wavey:

It works now and I will type it out :)

CooCooCachoo
12-07-2005, 12:59 PM
Boys U18 Main Draw:

Donald Young USA [1] beat Dylan Arnould USA 6-4 7-6 (5)
Alberto Gonzalez PAN beat Alexander Kharkevitch USA [LL] 7-6 (4) 6-3
Jamie Hunt USA beat Bradley Cox USA [WC] 6-2 6-2
Nikola Mektic CRO [16] beat Yuichi Sugita JPN 6-3 7-5

Robin Roshardt SUI [9] beat Artem Smirnov UKR [Q] 7-6 (1) 7-6 (3)
Jaak Poldma EST beat Shan Sondhu USA [WC] 6-3 6-3
Petru Luncanu ROM [LL] beat Mike Sroczynski USA [WC] 6-1 6-2
Dusan Lojda CZE [6] beat Rupesh Roy IND 3-6 6-2 7-6 (4) :o :banana:

Leonardo Mayer ARG [4] beat Leo Rosenberg USA 6-0 6-4
Ivan Endara ECU [LL] beat Blazej Koniusz POL 7-5 6-2
Tim Goransson SWE beat Johnny Hamui USA 6-2 6-0
Ivan Sergeyev UKR [14] beat Eduardo Meza MEX [Q] 6-4 7-5

Luka Belic CRO [10] beat Marcus Fugate USA 6-1 7-6 (7)
Daniel Lopez ITA [LL] beat Jean Yves Aubone FRA [WC] 7-6 (3) 4-6 6-4
Roberto Maytin VEN beat Clint Bowles USA [WC] 7-6 (7) 4-6 6-3
Sho Aida JPN [8] beat Holden Seguso USA 2-6 6-2 6-3

Timothy Neilly USA [5] beat Chris Racz USA [LL] 6-4 6-4
Attila Bucko USA [Q] beat Mateusz Kecki USA [WC] 4-6 6-4 6-0
Antonio Veic CRO beat Marcin Gawron POL 6-1 6-2
Oleksandr Dolgopolov UKR beat Emiliano Massa ARG [12] 7-6 (5) 7-6 (3) :eek:

Kei Nishikori JPN [15] beat David Simon AUT 6-1 6-3
Yann Marti SUI [Q] beat Ruben Bemelmans BEL 6-2 1-6 7-5
Thomas Fabbiano ITA [Q] beat Hans Podlipnik CHI 7-5 6-0
Paris Gemouchidis GRE [Q] beat Ryan Sweeting BAH [3] 4-6 7-5 3-1 Ret. :o

Wil Spencer USA [WC] beat Kellen Damico USA [7] 7-6(?) 5-0 Ret.
Miguel Cicenia VEN [Q] beat Jurgen Zopp EST [LL] 6-4 6-2
Dennis Lajola USA beat Rasid Winklaar AHO [Q] 6-4 6-2 :(
Javier Garrapiz Borderias ESP [11] beat Martin Kamenik CZE 6-1 6-1

Kevin Botti FRA beat Christian Vitulli KEN [13] 4-6 7-5 6-1
Michael McClune USA [WC] beat Shuhei Uzawa JPN 7-5 6-4
Peter Polansky CAN beat Nathaniel Schnugg USA 6-1 6-2
Marin Cilic CRO [2] beat Pavel Chekhov RUS 6-4 7-6 (2)

CooCooCachoo
12-07-2005, 01:01 PM
Cilic & Mektic are seeded second in doubles; First are Mayer and Massa (or Mayem as the draw sheet reads).

Garrapiz is playing with Podlipnik, first round against Kharkevitch/Schellenberg, so they should win.

propi
12-07-2005, 01:06 PM
:worship::worship::worship:
Thanks a lot CooCooCachoo :wavey: I wish I good rep more than once a year so I could give you some as it seems you were given once before (ages ago I guess :rolleyes: :o)

Vamos Javier :banana: My hope in Spanish tennis is in your racquet unless Tommy decides to switch to ON mode :help:

croat123
12-07-2005, 01:55 PM
it's pouring rain right now. it could take hours for the courts to dry. very wierd weather for this time of year :(

avocadoe
12-07-2005, 02:25 PM
here are where the draws are easy to get in case the problem accessing pdf returns:
http://www.itftennis.com/juniors/tournaments/drawsheetbyRound.asp?tournament=1100009902&event=

CooCooCachoo
12-07-2005, 02:46 PM
Dusan needs to find his shape, or he'll be out too early :(

Rosa Luxembourg
12-07-2005, 05:55 PM
No play for today AFAIK

croat123
12-07-2005, 07:41 PM
play is set to start at 3:15
i might go, but i'm going to have to leave at 5:30

s.m.
12-07-2005, 10:18 PM
Young kept yelling out "D.Y." whenever he went for a winner. At one point, he hit a drop shot and yelled out "how good is that" :o. :

what a clown :eek:
now i am glad that everbody is destorying him on the atp

amierin
12-08-2005, 03:06 AM
I know people who've seen Young in person and his arrogance got in the way of their appreciating his game.
That said has he had his growth spurt yet? Until he goes through that I don't think he's ready to be a factor on the main tour.

Deboogle!.
12-08-2005, 03:22 AM
I only saw YOung play once about a month and a half ago in a challenger, and my problem wasn't with his arrogance, but his immaturity. I just simply don't think he's ready for the bigtime yet. He just acted like a whiny immature kid that day. I look forward to seeing what happens with him, but I just hope he's not rushed too soon, thus perhaps jeopardizing his future.

CooCooCachoo
12-08-2005, 01:13 PM
I only saw YOung play once about a month and a half ago in a challenger, and my problem wasn't with his arrogance, but his immaturity. I just simply don't think he's ready for the bigtime yet. He just acted like a whiny immature kid that day. I look forward to seeing what happens with him, but I just hope he's not rushed too soon, thus perhaps jeopardizing his future.

He has a hard enough time on the Junior Tour, let alone the pro Tour ;)