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Champions League Dec 6/7th

Corey Feldman
12-04-2005, 06:54 PM
final stages of the groups and some great looking match ups for money making :D
although the 'team is already qualified' rule can always make it more difficult..

here are the main enticing games (havnt found the odds yet cept 1 game)

Tuesday:
AC Milan over Schalke Ac not through yet, infact will need a win to ensure top in the group.
PSV over Fenerbache dutch strong at home, turks useless away.
Lyon over rosenborg lyon are a great team, rosenborg are also shite away from home... Lyon are through already however
Betis over Anderlecht funny game this, Betis are in the champions league but somehow bottom of the spanish league... anderlecht have lost something like 12 in a row in this comp and cant seem to score, betis should win easily

but the Xmas present of the year SURELY is Rangers v Inter Milan
amazingly W.Hill have made Inter @2.25 !!!!!! underdogs :eek:
i assume its because Inter are already through, but rangers are CRAP AS HELL, even yesterday in the league they couldnt hold a 2-0 lead at home v a club team like Falkirk , with 20 minutes remaining.
they havnt won in 9 league matches and were lucky as hell to get the 1-1 draw with Porto two weeks ago, even odds @2.30 for a draw.... and NO way are rangers gonna win..
books must be thinking Inter will take it easy, but even a 2nd string Inter team are better everywhere on the pitch than the rangers team :o
and my own theory is the Inter 2nd team will wanna play hard and impress with their chance.

rangers are beyond pathetic right now and the coach will be sacked after this game, no matter what result.

Corey Feldman
12-04-2005, 07:03 PM
Wednesday:

wednesday is not looking as much a money day as Tue,

Werder Bremen over Panithiniakos strong at home the germans and need the win the greeks dont travel well in this comp.

Barcelona over Udinese udinese at home, Barca are the best team in the world right now, but they are through already and its never easy to beat Italian teams at home, so i wouldnt touch this, but barca might get great odds... ala Rangers v Inter milan scenario

club brugge v Bayern
Rapid vienna v Juventus:
2 super teams away from home to a couple of minor teams, both are already through and away from home, again... might get nice odds as they are qualified and i think both will go for the wins to try and finish top of the group.

Sparta prague over FC Thun minnows of the arsenal/ajax group... playing for a UEFA cup place, sparta need the win... and should do it v this small swiss team who might find the pressure tough away from home in such a big game.

Corey Feldman
12-06-2005, 01:27 AM
With William Hill coupon
'pick 4 draws at 82-1 odds'

£10 on (could win £820)
Chelsea Liverpool draw
Bratislava Porto draw
Arsenal Ajax draw
Benfica Man United draw

bad gambler
12-06-2005, 11:20 AM
Liverpool to beat Cheklsi - $5.00

Liverpool +1 v Chelski - $2.10

OVERS 2.5 Lyon v Rosenborg - $1.67

good luck

Dollars & Cents
12-06-2005, 12:00 PM
AC Milan + PSV @ 2.22

Milan(1.51) v Schalke: Crunch time for Milan coach Carlo Ancelotti with this crucial CL match and then the Milan derby on Sunday. The Scudetto already seems out of sight with Juventus' consistency and for a club as 'great' as Milan only a CL win will do. But then they reached the final last year and lost. But this year the unthinkable could happen and they could be eliminated tonight? Er...I don't think so, the big players such as Shevchenko, Kaka, Pirlo should show up and be enough to see off the Germans who are coming into form recently. The only warning here is that a 0-0 or 1-1 draw will be enough for Milan to qualify but I believe Milan won't take that chance.

PSV Eindhoven(1.47) v Fenerbahce: Similar situation for last years' semi-finalists here as well except only a win will do. Fenerbahce will look for a result too as this will mean European football in the new year in the UEFA Cup. But PSV are fierce at home, and more importantly coach Guus Hiddink just knows what it takes to win big matches. Both home matches thus far in the CL have been 1-0 wins, but the 2nd against Milan was impressive considering their injury problems and utterly comprehensive in terms of performance. Adding to that defeating Ajax and AZ Alkmaar in consecutive weeks in the same arena along with qualifying Australia in his first matches tell you everything you need to know about this fantastic coach.

Dollars & Cents
12-06-2005, 12:13 PM
Chelsea v Liverpool
Is Mourinho already getting his excuses ready for not winning? Two weeks' ago before Anderlecht match he stated qualification was more important than finishing group winner. Now he states 3 points against Wigan this weekend is more important than tonight, whilst re-iterating little difference between finishing top. Stastically, finishing top is more likely to result in an easier draw but not guaranteed as there are a few dangers.

So what can we expect? Mourinho will still field his best team and intend to win but how easily will they achieve that? In contrast I am sure Benitez is gunning for the draw that secures first place. Why? Psychological edge in getting the better of Chelsea once again, and the better probability of an easier draw as they are less confident in their own ability than Chelsea.

This match will be very organised, Benitez will settle for a 0-0 result. Chelsea will play with Duff and Robben the same wide players that were unable to breach Liverpool in the away fixture. Joe Cole will be absent and he seems to be the player that performs best against the Reds.

Suggested bets:
Chelsea to keep a clean sheet @ 1.92: Very confident as Liverpool probably won't be too ambitious.
Liverpool to draw or win (X2) @ 2.06: High confidence if Liverpool are to get the draw they require for 1st place.

Riskier bets:
Liverpool to keep a clean sheet @ 3.90: More risky but considering Liverpool's stronger defensive record and performances of late absolute value. If they are to get a result here they are likely to not concede.

Correct score 0:0 @ 7.50: Doesn't this match have this score written all over it? And then we here Mourinho's excuses after the match with a smiling Benitez.

Gunner
12-06-2005, 01:34 PM
20 Unit play Inter not to lose @ 1.6

Straby
12-06-2005, 04:10 PM
There's a very interesting statistic in a Dutch newspaper today. PSV were in this position before (where the last round had to decide if PSV would advance to the 2nd round), and every single time they choked it all away (6 times in the past!!).
Odds are way too short imo. Ok, Fener were awful so far in away games, but they have a huge crowd support today, as many Turks and Fener-fans live in Holland.
With these odds (1.51), PSV are worth a small lay on Betfair.

JMG
12-06-2005, 07:30 PM
PSV - Fenerbahce +2.5 goals @1.75

bad gambler
12-06-2005, 09:48 PM
Liverpool to beat Cheklsi - $5.00

Liverpool +1 v Chelski - $2.10

OVERS 2.5 Lyon v Rosenborg - $1.67

good luck

Liverpool did what they needed, FT 0-0

Last minute goal in France hits my over

bad gambler
12-06-2005, 09:49 PM
This match will be very organised, Benitez will settle for a 0-0 result. Chelsea will play with Duff and Robben the same wide players that were unable to breach Liverpool in the away fixture. Joe Cole will be absent and he seems to be the player that performs best against the Reds.

Suggested bets:
Chelsea to keep a clean sheet @ 1.92: Very confident as Liverpool probably won't be too ambitious.
Liverpool to draw or win (X2) @ 2.06: High confidence if Liverpool are to get the draw they require for 1st place.

Riskier bets:
Liverpool to keep a clean sheet @ 3.90: More risky but considering Liverpool's stronger defensive record and performances of late absolute value. If they are to get a result here they are likely to not concede.

Correct score 0:0 @ 7.50: Doesn't this match have this score written all over it? And then we here Mourinho's excuses after the match with a smiling Benitez.

wow mate, right on the money :eek: - brilliant stuff :worship: :worship: :worship:

Dollars & Cents
12-06-2005, 09:54 PM
wow mate, right on the money :eek: - brilliant stuff :worship: :worship: :worship:

Cheers mate :yeah:

If only all matches were as easy to predict as this :) well that's Mourinho and Benitez for you.

Dollars & Cents
12-06-2005, 09:56 PM
There's a very interesting statistic in a Dutch newspaper today. PSV were in this position before (where the last round had to decide if PSV would advance to the 2nd round), and every single time they choked it all away (6 times in the past!!).
Odds are way too short imo. Ok, Fener were awful so far in away games, but they have a huge crowd support today, as many Turks and Fener-fans live in Holland.
With these odds (1.51), PSV are worth a small lay on Betfair.

Interesting comment Strabavy as ever, and it made my bet a little nervous, after I read this :eek: but I'd still rather bet with Guus Hiddink then against. I guess you're happy with a Dutch side being in the Last 16 of CL again, or do Feyernood fans not extend the courtesy that far? :p

Straby
12-06-2005, 10:03 PM
Interesting comment Strabavy as ever, and it made my bet a little nervous, after I read this :eek: but I'd still rather bet with Guus Hiddink then against. I guess you're happy with a Dutch side being in the Last 16 of CL again, or do Feyernood fans not extend the courtesy that far? :p

Haha, well I gotta admit, I would rather see them being left with nothing after tonight. :p

Congrats with the very nice winnings. :yeah:
-2 units on the day for me.

Corey Feldman
12-06-2005, 10:48 PM
the gers get a drw with Inter and go thro, good for me personally, but lost my bet on Inter to win.... i'll accept it :)
the old 'team already through' rule was something to fear, and thats what happened... Inter cruised the game, went 1-0 up then didnt do a thing, stayed away from the ball and didnt give any effort.
arsenal and Man unt to draw tomorrow and i'll be singing.

sports freak
12-07-2005, 01:37 AM
Chelsea v Liverpool
Is Mourinho already getting his excuses ready for not winning? Two weeks' ago before Anderlecht match he stated qualification was more important than finishing group winner. Now he states 3 points against Wigan this weekend is more important than tonight, whilst re-iterating little difference between finishing top. Stastically, finishing top is more likely to result in an easier draw but not guaranteed as there are a few dangers.

So what can we expect? Mourinho will still field his best team and intend to win but how easily will they achieve that? In contrast I am sure Benitez is gunning for the draw that secures first place. Why? Psychological edge in getting the better of Chelsea once again, and the better probability of an easier draw as they are less confident in their own ability than Chelsea.

This match will be very organised, Benitez will settle for a 0-0 result. Chelsea will play with Duff and Robben the same wide players that were unable to breach Liverpool in the away fixture. Joe Cole will be absent and he seems to be the player that performs best against the Reds.

Suggested bets:
Chelsea to keep a clean sheet @ 1.92: Very confident as Liverpool probably won't be too ambitious.
Liverpool to draw or win (X2) @ 2.06: High confidence if Liverpool are to get the draw they require for 1st place.

Riskier bets:
Liverpool to keep a clean sheet @ 3.90: More risky but considering Liverpool's stronger defensive record and performances of late absolute value. If they are to get a result here they are likely to not concede.

Correct score 0:0 @ 7.50: Doesn't this match have this score written all over it? And then we here Mourinho's excuses after the match with a smiling Benitez.

Damn hell of a call mate,very nice!!!!Congrats

betowiec
12-07-2005, 04:27 AM
do or ... for Man U
1.6K on man u at 1.95

SadrieL
12-07-2005, 05:31 AM
do or ... for Man U
1.6K on man u at 1.95

Not a bad bet considering Man U's form right now. Man U do play their best with their backs to the wall. Hard to see Man U not making it out of the group stages.

Yoel and co.
12-07-2005, 11:39 AM
Of all the games tonight, which would you say has the most chance of more than two goals?

I would have thought Barcelona, but Udinese will be happy with a draw and Barca will be resting key players.

Perhaps Bremen - Pana?

SadrieL
12-07-2005, 11:40 AM
This is must win for Man U, isn't it? I could've sworn this was a must win game for Man U, but I can't remember why.

Anyway, some things to consider:

"Benfica have suffered a spate of injuries in the build-up to the game, with captain Simão, Fabrizio Miccoli, Manuel Fernandes, Giorgios Karagounis and José Moreira all sidelined."

"United defeated their hosts 2-1 at Old Trafford on Matchday 2 despite a host of injuries, and Koeman is wary of the threat a stronger lineup poses. "United are at full strength this time," he said. "Last time they weren't and they still won so it's difficult to say what will happen." The Dutchman's United counterpart, Sir Alex Ferguson, is far more assured, saying: "We need to win this game, nothing else matters."

SadrieL
12-07-2005, 11:45 AM
Of all the games tonight, which would you say has the most chance of more than two goals?

I would have thought Barcelona, but Udinese will be happy with a draw and Barca will be resting key players.

Perhaps Bremen - Pana?

Most likely Bremen - Pana, especially if Klose returns. Arsenal - Ajax could be an open game as well, but again you don't know with Arsenal resting key players.

Yoel and co.
12-07-2005, 12:47 PM
This is must win for Man U, isn't it? I could've sworn this was a must win game for Man U, but I can't remember why.



They can actually qualify with a draw as long as Lille don't win, but I doubt very much if they would like to take their chances.

Dollars & Cents
12-07-2005, 01:28 PM
Bayern Munich + Juventus @ 2.60
With both teams already qualified people may wonder why bet on these two? Well, despite yesterday's results (mainly Chelsea finishing second) both sides still would like to finish first to hopefully enable an easier draw and more importantly the second leg at home.

Club Brugges v Bayern Munich(1.60): Bayern are in the box seat for group winner as they have a +1 better goal difference than Juventus. Coach Magath said that the aim is to win at least 2-0 and this is very possible. Rumours are the Brugges coach will rest several players to concentrate on upcoming league matches. I don't believe that and do expect to see a motivated Belgian side. But after Anderlecht's surprise win yesterday are we likely to see another result here? No, because if Bayern are motivated to achieve the 1st spot which it looks then the class difference should be too much, with Ballack, Makaay and Pizzaro and their massive danger and efficiency from set-pieces.
FC Bayern(Probable from Kicker): Kahn – Lahm, Ismael, Demichelis, Lizarazu – Deisler, Hargreaves, Ballack, Schweinsteiger – Makaay, Pizarro

Rapid Wien v Juventus(1.53): Which leads on to Juve. There is a school of thought that Juventus will settle for 2nd place now to avoid Mourinho's Chelsea. But I don't particularly believe that as Juventus will want to carry on the winning feeling even though chasing a goals total is not in their interest. The line-up is strong and Rapid are one of the worst sides in the competition so shouldn't pose too much threat. Wouldn't be surprised with another 2-0 victory here.
Juventus(Probable from Gazetta): Abbiati; Balzaretti, Thuram, Kovac, Chiellini; Camoranesi, Vieira, Blasi, Mutu; Zalayeta, Del Piero

Dollars & Cents
12-07-2005, 01:44 PM
Udinese v Barcelona
A small opportunity here as there are funny looking prices on the draw. The market for this match is 2.80 2.50 3.00 and how often do the bookies really get it wrong? Barcelona are without Eto'o, Ronaldinho and Xavi. This time last year with first spot to play for a weak Barcelona side were trounced by a motivated Shaktar side 3-0. I don't see that today, but with Udinese needing a draw to secure qualification what are their chances of getting that?

Well, Barcelona say they will play their usual attacking game and reserves such as Guily and Larsson they are capable of doing this. However, Udinese are very strong defensively at home. In the league they have kept 4 clean sheets in 7 matches with the only goals conceded against Juventus and Inter (both 1-0 defeats) and then this weekend with a 2-0 defeat to Livorno in which the owner said that 'it was the worst performance from an Udinese team in 30 years'. Will that act as motivation? Coach Cosmi is being very cautious and says Udinese only has a 30% chance of progression.

Suggested bets:
Fixed odds are a waste of time here. With other matches to bet on tonight don't bother here. Instead due to the circumstances surrounding this match a small bet can be taken instead on: Correct score: 0-0 @ 6.50

Corey Feldman
12-07-2005, 02:01 PM
Keep the tips coming dollar+cents ..

im waiting for man U and arsenal to draw tonight...

also have tiny bet on draws in the villareal-lille , brugge-buyern matches

winners should be W.bremen and Sparta prague

betowiec
12-07-2005, 10:56 PM
Not a bad bet considering Man U's form right now. Man U do play their best with their backs to the wall. Hard to see Man U not making it out of the group stages.


what a crappy performance by Man U

costly for me

Corey Feldman
12-07-2005, 11:36 PM
Bloody Man unt, all i needed was a draw for a huge pay out... oh well

they are a awful team, im not just kicking them cos they didnt deliver for me tonight.... but its a sign of the times they finish bottom of a group with villareal-benfica and Lillie, Unt really have become a mickey mouse side of european football, it could be 50 years before they ever reach the heights again, compared to the barcelona's, ac milan, juve's and chelsea's.

Werder Bremen delivered big time, easyiest money i made in what was an up-and-down week for me in champions league, as i had warned myself before.... 6th game of the group stages , anything can happen because of the teams already through scenario... clearly shown by Inter Milan yesterday.

the rest of champions league for me next year will be heavy in for Barcelona in the rest of this tourney, super powerful team and will rip everyone apart in the KO stages, even away from home tonight with a 'weakened team' and top spot in the group gaurenteed.. against Italian opposition, they still won with ease.