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60 Minutes proves that James Blake has replaced ARo as US Golden Boy...

Tennis Fool
11-28-2005, 02:07 AM
Anyone catch the 60 minutes piece? Nothing really new if you watch tennis. Trots out the "James Blake Story" as well as...

A) James has many friends on the tour, Lleyton Hewitt not being one of them... (for those who never heard of Hewitt, this shows he's a villian...)

B) James got his early bad temper from watching JMac (why does JMac always seem to appear in every tennis piece on every player)...

C) He has no problem being a role model in the way of Arthur Ashe (as some other notable athletes would care less to do...)

Only three interesting items:

1) His coach said James' shaving his head may have cost him endorsements.

2) He really hasn't talked to his mother about his new girlfriend. Mike Wallace relates that his mother thinks she's "a dime a dozen" (my words)...

3) ARo, former Golden Boy, makes supporting role when Mike Wallace asks him "So how good is James Blake really?" ARo had this look about him like "why aren't I being interviewed by you?" instead of being jumped on by Tennis Magazine :lol:

sigmagirl91
11-28-2005, 02:08 AM
Wow....if James's endorsements were affected by his shaved head, then his stock just rose with this interview.

euroka1
11-28-2005, 02:16 AM
Anyone catch the 60 minutes piece? Nothing really new if you watch tennis. Trots out the "James Blake Story" as well as...

:

My impressions are much as yours. I'd not seen Lleyton in action in this bout of bad behavior. He should have known better but probably did not realize what a very touchy issue this is over here in the US.


I thought Andy sounded pretty sour too. The stubble didn't lighten his appearance.

I really liked Blake's positive attitude to dealing with adversity. It is a lesson and example for us all to follow.

DrJules
11-28-2005, 02:20 AM
What does the show say about Lleyton Hewitt? Everyone seems to enjoy getting the boot into Lleyton. :sad:

Tennis Fool
11-28-2005, 02:24 AM
What does the show say about Lleyton Hewitt? Everyone seems to enjoy getting the boot into Lleyton. :sad:
I like Lleyton, but he didn't realize he doomed himself forever with the American media by insinuating to the ump that a black linesman was ruling in favor of Blake because "look at them and see what they have in common".

Now everytime Blake (or Hewitt) gets media attention they'll will roll out the footage (as they did here) or mention it in the newspapers. :)

But then...any publicity is good publicity. He's probably better known than Federer.

euroka1
11-28-2005, 02:26 AM
What does the show say about Lleyton Hewitt? Everyone seems to enjoy getting the boot into Lleyton. :sad:

That was when he accused the umpire and linesman as having a racial bias in their line calls. (Think I have this right). It was a silly and objectionable thing to say.

Apart from things like this, I am mostly a Lleyton fan and think he had a run of bad luck this last year with the main saving grace of getting married.

DrJules
11-28-2005, 02:30 AM
I like Lleyton, but he didn't realize he doomed himself forever with the American media by insinuating to the ump that a black linesman was ruling in favor of Blake because "look at them and see what they have in common".

Now everytime Blake (or Hewitt) gets media attention they'll will roll at the footage (as they did here) or mention it in the newspapers. :)

Maybe my memory is wrong, but I think I remember at Wimbledon around 1980 period when McEnroe and Fleming were playing doubles against the Amritraj brothers and McEnroe insinuated the same about an asian line official showing bias. I think this is the thread.

http://sify.com/sports/tennis/interview.php?cid=13049206

Anyway hostile crowds usually improve Lleytons play; In Davis Cup he has had incredible wins against hostile crowds on away ties.

Tennis Fool
11-28-2005, 02:32 AM
Maybe my memory is wrong, but I think I remember at Wimbledon around 1980 period when McEnroe and Fleming were playing doubles against the Amritraj brothers and McEnroe insinuated the same about an asian line official showing bias.
Hmmm. I knew heard that one. If it's true, you know JMac will never mention it, although the Hewitt incident comes up often.

shotgun
11-28-2005, 02:36 AM
Blake and Hewitt also took part in a heated match in this year's Australian Open. They had some discussions during the match about bad calls. I read somewhere that Blake bumped into Chela after this match, and Chela would be Hewitt's next opponent (the match with the spitting incident), and Blake said something like: "Please, win this match for me." :p

El Legenda
11-28-2005, 02:41 AM
who cares, i mean in US there is like 24 tennis fans.

DrJules
11-28-2005, 02:42 AM
Blake and Hewitt also took part in a heated match in this year's Australian Open. They had some discussions during the match about bad calls. I read somewhere that Blake bumped into Chela after this match, and Chela would be Hewitt's next opponent (the match with the spitting incident), and Blake said something like: "Please, win this match for me." :p

I felt Chela was let off lightly for his conduct.

euroka1
11-28-2005, 02:54 AM
Maybe my memory is wrong, but I think I remember at Wimbledon around 1980 period when McEnroe and Fleming were playing doubles against the Amritraj brothers and McEnroe insinuated the same about an asian line official showing bias. I think this is the thread.

http://sify.com/sports/tennis/interview.php?cid=13049206



Thanks, nice interview. Despite everything, he had the grace to say what great tennis JMac played at the time.

prima donna
11-28-2005, 02:58 AM
James Blake is much more talented than ARod, for these reasons:

1). He's a far superior shot maker.
2). His backhand is light years ahead of Roddick's.
3). His serve is a mighty big weapon.
4). His forehand rarely breaks down, except well, when he starts to win.

In my opinion, the dilemma here seems to be in James' head and has little to do with his game, such a talent should cleary be ranked in the Top 5 if the likes of Andy Roddick are masquerading around as legitimate competition in such prestigious tournaments as Wimbledon. :rolleyes:

Why can't Blake just get it together ? What's wrong ? Well, maybe I should give him a break, but I just find it a pity that aside from his backhand (well improved) there is nothing tactically wrong with his game. He has matured as a player, I don't care what anyone says - He aside from Agassi is the best American player, Roddick only has a no quit attitude and a monster serve, without 1 of the 2 we'd be talking about him matching up with players on a challenger circuit near you.

Wanna talk about choke, Andre Agassi V. Blake (USO 2005) is right next to the word in Webster's Dictionary. Come on James, I used to be down on him for his poor strategic play, but have since retracted those statements and thoughts, he is a mighty fine player.

shotgun
11-28-2005, 02:59 AM
I felt Chela was let off lightly for his conduct.

Hmm.. I don't know about that. I agree that Chela should have controlled his emotions better, but it's not easy when there's a guy on the other side of the net shouting cowardly in your face every time you make an unforced error. :shrug:

amierin
11-28-2005, 03:43 AM
James Blake is much more talented than ARod, for these reasons:

1). He's a far superior shot maker.
2). His backhand is light years ahead of Roddick's.
3). His serve is a mighty big weapon.
4). His forehand rarely breaks down, except well, when he starts to win.

In my opinion, the dilemma here seems to be in James' head and has little to do with his game, such a talent should cleary be ranked in the Top 5 if the likes of Andy Roddick are masquerading around as legitimate competition in such prestigious tournaments as Wimbledon. :rolleyes:

Why can't Blake just get it together ? What's wrong ? Well, maybe I should give him a break, but I just find it a pity that aside from his backhand (well improved) there is nothing tactically wrong with his game. He has matured as a player, I don't care what anyone says - He aside from Agassi is the best American player, Roddick only has a no quit attitude and a monster serve, without 1 of the 2 we'd be talking about him matching up with players on a challenger circuit near you.

Wanna talk about choke, Andre Agassi V. Blake (USO 2005) is right next to the word in Webster's Dictionary. Come on James, I used to be down on him for his poor strategic play, but have since retracted those statements and thoughts, he is a mighty fine player.

Until Blake gets over wanting to be everyones "friend" and be ready to kick some butt and take a few names he will never rise much above the teens IMO.

BTW is it true his mother said the girl he's seeing is a "dime a dozen"? That's cold. I hope she realizes that when you make it obvious to your kids you don't like whoever they're seeing the "love" grows deeper.

Winston's Human
11-28-2005, 04:23 AM
I thought Andy sounded pretty sour too.

I thought Andy seemed more annoyed that Mike Wallace asked him such a stupid question - whether James could be one of the top 5 American men? Andy simply informed Wallace that James was already one of the top 5 American men.

Given that we see Wallace's mug so often during US Open coverage, you would think he could ask smarter tennis questions.

TenHound
11-28-2005, 04:28 AM
I like Blake, but the Degradation of 60 mins. is Pathetic. Goddamn CBS. The Fluff Network. That's the kind of stuff that ESPN should have done - interview jocks.

Impressive of Blake's mother to state that about Blake's "girlfriend". She sure came across as a cookie cutter "broad" on the tube. Guess I hit the nail on the head. It's the only thing that makes me think less of JB. Is he that vapid?

But it would sure be an improvement if espn stops broadcasting AR matches in favor of JB.

Angle Queen
11-28-2005, 01:38 PM
I thought Andy seemed more annoyed that Mike Wallace asked him such a stupid question - whether James could be one of the top 5 American men? Andy simply informed Wallace that James was already one of the top 5 American men.

Given that we see Wallace's mug so often during US Open coverage, you would think he could ask smarter tennis questions.:yeah:

Until Blake gets over wanting to be everyones "friend" and be ready to kick some butt and take a few names he will never rise much above the teens IMO.It's that 'nice guys finish last' syndrome, eh? Maybe he'll take a lesson from Kimmie...get engaged, then dump her, then kick butt in the next hard court season, win a Slam.

BTW is it true his mother said the girl he's seeing is a "dime a dozen"? That's cold. I hope she realizes that when you make it obvious to your kids you don't like whoever they're seeing the "love" grows deeper.No, his mother didn't call the gf a 'dime a dozen'; that is TennisFool's clearly noted tag. But I'd agree with the sentiment. I also got the impression that James thought his mother thought the gf was just one of many but he went on to clarify that he personally had hopes for this 'one', that she could be around for awhile. Here's that portion of the story/transcript:

James laughs when told his mother had said Jennifer was not a long-term girlfriend. “Oh, my mom. She doesn’t hear too much about my love life. Not that there is that much to hear. But this one I think might be around for quite a while.”

Full story/transcript here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/22/60minutes/main1066081.shtml (don't know how long that link will work but it's active today, 28 Nov 05)

Pigpen Stinks
11-28-2005, 01:53 PM
I think the Hewitt incident from a few years back is water under the bridge, and feel that Hewitt is generally admired and respected by fans in the States for his tenacity and never say die attitude. He may not be everyone's favorite, but I hardly think there are many that still hold that incident against him.

Whatup86
11-28-2005, 02:25 PM
Hewitt may not be my fave player, but I love to watch him play. The 60 minutes show was nice, but mostly the same old stuff.

kabuki
11-28-2005, 02:25 PM
I think the Hewitt incident from a few years back is water under the bridge, and feel that Hewitt is generally admired and respected by fans in the States for his tenacity and never say die attitude. He may not be everyone's favorite, but I hardly think there are many that still hold that incident against him.

Oh, I think there might be a few. :wavey:

amierin
11-28-2005, 02:34 PM
I think the Hewitt incident from a few years back is water under the bridge, and feel that Hewitt is generally admired and respected by fans in the States for his tenacity and never say die attitude. He may not be everyone's favorite, but I hardly think there are many that still hold that incident against him.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. :cool:

Juanquis.Angel
11-28-2005, 02:35 PM
I didn't think the interview had much new information. It's pretty much the same stuff we've been hearing since James came back on the Tour: the injury in Rome, his father's death, the Zoster virus. I'm sure most tennis fans who follow Blake (and probably many who don't) know just about every little detail about James' last year.

However, I didn't think the Hewitt incident needed to be brought up. I don't condone Hewitt's behaviour at all, but it's something that happened in the past, and should be left there. I suppose CBS just needed to dig up some more information to make the interview last longer.

I agree with everyone else's comments on the question Wallace asked Roddick. Of course James is in the top five in the US...should he have already known that? :rolleyes:

blosson
11-28-2005, 02:47 PM
I thought Andy sounded pretty sour too. The stubble didn't lighten his appearance.


Why would Andy be annoyed by James relative success? They are good friends and even played doubles this year.

euroka1
11-28-2005, 04:22 PM
I agree, it was very minor. Andy could have sounded more gracious but he was probably tired. Federer would have managed it better.

Raquel
11-28-2005, 07:33 PM
I didn't think the interview had much new information. It's pretty much the same stuff we've been hearing since James came back on the Tour: the injury in Rome, his father's death, the Zoster virus. I'm sure most tennis fans who follow Blake (and probably many who don't) know just about every little detail about James' last year.

However, I didn't think the Hewitt incident needed to be brought up. I don't condone Hewitt's behaviour at all, but it's something that happened in the past, and should be left there. I suppose CBS just needed to dig up some more information to make the interview last longer.
I didn't see it but I'm pretty sure if I had saw it, I would agree ;). It's also the only incident in James's reasonably average career pre-2005 that actually got publicity and was remotely newsworthy. How many of his actual tennis results before this year would really be of any interest for this show? He has no major achievements to speak of, so they have to fill time with an incident that happened years ago to have something to talk about when profiling his career.

As for being the new Golden Boy, I am sure he will be in the media's eyes. However tennis wise Ginepri quietly outshone him this year IMO, while James got all the publicity.

Sjengster
11-28-2005, 08:51 PM
James Blake is much more talented than ARod, for these reasons:

1). He's a far superior shot maker.
2). His backhand is light years ahead of Roddick's.
3). His serve is a mighty big weapon.
4). His forehand rarely breaks down, except well, when he starts to win.

In my opinion, the dilemma here seems to be in James' head and has little to do with his game, such a talent should cleary be ranked in the Top 5 if the likes of Andy Roddick are masquerading around as legitimate competition in such prestigious tournaments as Wimbledon. :rolleyes:

Why can't Blake just get it together ? What's wrong ? Well, maybe I should give him a break, but I just find it a pity that aside from his backhand (well improved) there is nothing tactically wrong with his game. He has matured as a player, I don't care what anyone says - He aside from Agassi is the best American player, Roddick only has a no quit attitude and a monster serve, without 1 of the 2 we'd be talking about him matching up with players on a challenger circuit near you.

Wanna talk about choke, Andre Agassi V. Blake (USO 2005) is right next to the word in Webster's Dictionary. Come on James, I used to be down on him for his poor strategic play, but have since retracted those statements and thoughts, he is a mighty fine player.

:bigclap: to Chapter 2, Verse 27 of the Prima Donna Gospels. Next week: 2:28, "And the wandering exiles were told not to besmirch themselves with the foul dust of clay, but they chose to ignore this warning, and were verrily punished for their dirtballing sins."

mangoes
11-28-2005, 09:01 PM
I think the Hewitt incident from a few years back is water under the bridge, and feel that Hewitt is generally admired and respected by fans in the States for his tenacity and never say die attitude. He may not be everyone's favorite, but I hardly think there are many that still hold that incident against him.


There was no need to involve Hewitt in that interview. I guess they ran out of stuff to say.............. :rolleyes: What was the point of putting Hewitt in the interview? Are Hewitt and Blake "at war"?

almouchie
11-28-2005, 09:14 PM
interesting points ARoddick vs James Blake
maybe Blake does have the more raw talent, but he is starting his career again so to speak, so he will have to show he can beat the big guys at important stages in touries like he did at US, more importantly do it again. atm roddick is in a bit of stagnation as he isnt improving his game or adjusting & does seem a little limited at times

Turkeyballs Paco
11-28-2005, 09:26 PM
As for being the new Golden Boy, I am sure he will be in the media's eyes. However tennis wise Ginepri quietly outshone him this year IMO, while James got all the publicity.

:yeah: that's true. I'm glad all the James Blake media hype is behind us, compared to this time last year. Blech. I don't want to hear about any of it any more.

amierin
11-29-2005, 01:33 AM
As for being the new Golden Boy, I am sure he will be in the media's eyes. However tennis wise Ginepri quietly outshone him this year IMO, while James got all the publicity.

:yeah:

alfonsojose
11-29-2005, 03:04 AM
I agree. It's not his fault but he was totally overhyped :rolleyes:

BTw, will he send flowers and a black Barbie to baby Hewitt :tape: ?

roddick#1tome
11-29-2005, 04:53 AM
james will NEVER replace andy stupid cbs is biased and should die soon

Billy Moonshine
11-29-2005, 05:16 AM
Sure, Blake is very talented, but better than Andy?
Lets wait til he wins a slam, makes 2 wimby finals, the semis of Australia and makes year end number one til we start comparing them.
In fact maybe we should wait til he even makes a slam semi, which for all his supposed superior talent, he has yet been able to do.
Sure I know he has had injuries but saying he is better is a little far fetched in light of their comparitive results, no?
It makes me laugh that Andy, despite being a supposedly limited player in a slump, still finished 2005 number four in the world, made a slam semi and wimby final and won 5 titles!!! Sure no MS but nonetheless five trophies. Go Andy!!!!!!!

DrJules
11-29-2005, 10:20 AM
Sure, Blake is very talented, but better than Andy?
Lets wait til he wins a slam, makes 2 wimby finals, the semis of Australia and makes year end number one til we start comparing them.
In fact maybe we should wait til he even makes a slam semi, which for all his supposed superior talent, he has yet been able to do.
Sure I know he has had injuries but saying he is better is a little far fetched in light of their comparitive results, no?
It makes me laugh that Andy, despite being a supposedly limited player in a slump, still finished 2005 number four in the world, made a slam semi and wimby final and won 5 titles!!! Sure no MS but nonetheless five trophies. Go Andy!!!!!!!

Andy Roddick finished with year end ranking number 3

lau
11-29-2005, 10:35 AM
I agree. It's not his fault but he was totally overhyped :rolleyes:


I wouldn´t say that. Nothing against James, but he obviously "helped" the press (to say the least) with it... IMHO, he trully believes he`s the press´ "Come back kid" and looooooooooves it. (BTW, it might be off-topic, but every time people start to speak about Blake being over hyped I can´t help remembering the image of him, giving the press conference after his USOpen match against Agassi, and wearing a very "stylish" Fedora hat. :lol: That image said it all to me) Nothing wrong with it, it just can get little annoying some times ;)

EDIT: Before someone attacks me for that ٨ , I do believe he made a great comeback and had a good 2005 season, specially if you compare it to his previous seasons ;) And by no means James is better than Andy.

its.like.that
11-29-2005, 11:07 AM
no way TF - you are the States' new Golden Boy.

:bowdown:

euroka1
11-29-2005, 01:09 PM
It's important to put the 60 minutes segment into perspective. It was a tribute, and a deserved one, to James Blake. We only had 5 maybe 10 seconds of Andy.

liptea
11-29-2005, 02:21 PM
Even non-tennis fans in America know who Andy Roddick is. Even if they just know, "wow he's hot." Even if they know nothing about the game. Whereas, mentioning James Blake doesn't really do anything for them yet.

adee-gee
11-29-2005, 02:26 PM
James Blake is much more talented than ARod, for these reasons:

3). His serve is a mighty big weapon.
And Roddick's isn't :retard: :retard: :retard:

adee-gee
11-29-2005, 02:26 PM
Who is ARo by the way :confused:

mangoes
11-29-2005, 03:08 PM
Well, I expect to get a couple of bad reps for saying this, since it seems to be an MTF sin to say anything against James Blake, but:

HE IS MILKING THIS DRAMA FOR ALL IT'S WORTH!! I'm curious to see if his endorsements will increase substancially because most people in America still don't know who this guy is...................

Noelle
11-29-2005, 03:23 PM
Even non-tennis fans in America know who Andy Roddick is. Even if they just know, "wow he's hot." Even if they know nothing about the game. Whereas, mentioning James Blake doesn't really do anything for them yet.
And Carlos? ;)

DrJules
11-29-2005, 03:42 PM
Well, I expect to get a couple of bad reps for saying this, since it seems to be an MTF sin to say anything against James Blake, but:



Its the price you pay for freedom of expression on MTF.

tangerine_dream
11-29-2005, 04:20 PM
And Roddick's isn't :retard: :retard: :retard:
Remember--this is prima donna we're talking about here :lol:

I enjoyed the 60 Minutes segment even if it was a story we've all heard too many times. The general public has not heard Blake's story and I am thrilled to see tennis get some attention on a major network during primetime. I'll bet Blake earned plenty of new fans after it aired. :)

Andy looked exhausted for his five-second interview with Mike Wallace but that might have to do with the fact that Andy had to babysit Wallace and correct him on a few things about tennis. ;)

As for TF's usual troll comments about Blake somehow "replacing" Andy as the US's tennis golden boy, that's just wishful thinking on his part. Try harder next time, TF. :kiss:

Socket
11-29-2005, 04:21 PM
Well, I expect to get a couple of bad reps for saying this, since it seems to be an MTF sin to say anything against James Blake, but:

HE IS MILKING THIS DRAMA FOR ALL IT'S WORTH!! I'm curious to see if his endorsements will increase substancially because most people in America still don't know who this guy is...................
You're absolutely right he is.

But I don't think that's bad. If advertisers want to offer him endorsement contracts, he'd be nuts not to take them, no matter what the motivation behind them. (Same thing with Anna Kournikova, BTW.)

And I'll join you in the bad rep department by pointing out that, if Blake were white, he just wouldn't be getting the attention he's getting now. Being a black (or rather, half-black) player in a predominantly white sport guarantees that he'll be treated differently. In some cases, that's good news, which it is if it gets him endorsements he wouldn't get if he were just another middle-of-the-road white guy. But the undeniable truth of the matter is that Blake does get treated differently because of his skin color.

adee-gee
11-29-2005, 04:26 PM
As for TF's usual troll comments about Blake somehow "replacing" Andy as the US's tennis golden boy, that's just wishful thinking on his part. Try harder next time, TF. :kiss:
Oh, so ARo is Andy :p

euroka1
11-29-2005, 04:39 PM
And I'll join you in the bad rep department by pointing out that, if Blake were white, he just wouldn't be getting the attention he's getting now. Being a black (or rather, half-black) player in a predominantly white sport guarantees that he'll be treated differently. In some cases, that's good news, which it is if it gets him endorsements he wouldn't get if he were just another middle-of-the-road white guy. But the undeniable truth of the matter is that Blake does get treated differently because of his skin color.

I don't give out bad reps, only good ones..... but if Lleyton had said that :( :eek: :mad: :sobbing: he'd be in lots of trouble!

I really think the appeal of James Blake comes from his courage in overcoming such obstacles to come back from behind and to play such splendid tennis in the last part of the season. It took lots of guts and I don't think it has anything to do with skin color.

Turkeyballs Paco
11-29-2005, 04:48 PM
As much as I'm really sick of hearing about Blake, I think the only way tennis is going to get very much interest is to highlight the diversity of the players. Make them edgy. Even James isn't really edgy enough.

If people think tennis is a prissy sport for preppy boys with sweaters wrapped around their shoulders, maybe it would be good if they were talking about people like James Blake, Skoville Jenkins, Mashona Washington, am I leaving anyone out? oh, yeah, forget about the Williams sisters, they are just plum crazy.

mangoes
11-29-2005, 04:53 PM
You're absolutely right he is.

But I don't think that's bad. If advertisers want to offer him endorsement contracts, he'd be nuts not to take them, no matter what the motivation behind them. (Same thing with Anna Kournikova, BTW.)

And I'll join you in the bad rep department by pointing out that, if Blake were white, he just wouldn't be getting the attention he's getting now. Being a black (or rather, half-black) player in a predominantly white sport guarantees that he'll be treated differently. In some cases, that's good news, which it is if it gets him endorsements he wouldn't get if he were just another middle-of-the-road white guy. But the undeniable truth of the matter is that Blake does get treated differently because of his skin color.


Business is business, so I'm not going to knock him for pursuing endorsement deals, but it really irks me to listen to people talk about James being shy about his "drama". He knows he is using it to further his career. Every advertising executive knows he is using it to further his career, so forgive me if I'm not going to paint him out to be some guy who is just telling his story to inspire others.

mangoes
11-29-2005, 04:55 PM
As much as I'm really sick of hearing about Blake, I think the only way tennis is going to get very much interest is to highlight the diversity of the players. Make them edgy. Even James isn't really edgy enough.

If people think tennis is a prissy sport for preppy boys with sweaters wrapped around their shoulders, maybe it would be good if they were talking about people like James Blake, Skoville Jenkins, Mashona Washington, am I leaving anyone out? oh, yeah, forget about the Williams sisters, they are just plum crazy.


James Blake is a preppy boy with a sweater wrapped around his shoulders...........

I think if Skotville Jenkins really got his game in order, he would be a bigger deal than Jame Blake.

As for the Williams sisters, they aren't crazy, they're two women who went after what they wanted.............and in the process, they pumped a lot of energy into American Tennis. Furthermore, I'd rather talk about them than James Blake.

Socket
11-29-2005, 04:56 PM
I don't give out bad reps, only good ones..... but if Lleyton had said that :( :eek: :mad: :sobbing: he'd be in lots of trouble!

I really think the appeal of James Blake comes from his courage in overcoming such obstacles to come back from behind and to play such splendid tennis in the last part of the season. It took lots of guts and I don't think it has anything to do with skin color.
Oh, I think that what he went through is a factor, too. But so is his skin color, and that's what really sets him apart from the rest of the pack, for better or worse. Other players have had deaths in their families and have overcome illness and injuries, and they don't get the press attention that Blake does. (Vince Spadea completely revived his career after enduring the longest losing streak in ATP history, and he's not getting interviewed on 60 Minutes, is he?) I just think it's silly to pretend that James's skin color is NOT a factor in how he's treated, whether by advertisers, fans, or the press.

mangoes
11-29-2005, 04:58 PM
Oh, I think that what he went through is a factor, too. But so is his skin color, and that's what really sets him apart from the rest of the pack, for better or worse. Other players have had deaths in their families and have overcome illness and injuries, and they don't get the press attention that Blake does. (Vince Spadea completely revived his career after enduring the longest losing streak in ATP history, and he's not getting interviewed on 60 Minutes, is he?) I just think it's silly to pretend that James's skin color is NOT a factor in how he's treated, whether by advertisers, fans, or the press.


I agree.

Socket
11-29-2005, 05:01 PM
James Blake is a preppy boy with a sweater wrapped around his shoulders...........

:haha: :haha: That is so true!

I think if Skotville Jenkins really got his game in order, he would be a bigger deal than Jame Blake.

As for the Williams sisters, they aren't crazy, they're two women who went after what they wanted.............
What I love about the Williams sisters is that their dad actually moved the family from a safe, middle-class neighborhood to Compton. Whatever his reasons were (and I have no doubt they were complex), it was brilliant marketing move, which enabled everybody to talk about how the sisters had pulled themselves out of a poor, gang-riddled neighborhood via tennis. That kind of story just doesn't work when you live in Glendale or Burbank. :p

mangoes
11-29-2005, 05:06 PM
What I love about the Williams sisters is that their dad actually moved the family from a safe, middle-class neighborhood to Compton. Whatever his reasons were (and I have no doubt they were complex), it was brilliant marketing move, which enabled everybody to talk about how the sisters had pulled themselves out of a poor, gang-riddled neighborhood via tennis. That kind of story just doesn't work when you live in Glendale or Burbank. :p


Well, I'll admit that I'm a big fan of Serena................(I'm ducking the tomatoes) I never heard that they moved to Compton. I thought they moved from Compton. Did they have a financial reason for moving there? Oh well, nevertheless, I'm a big fan of the Williams Sisters because they didn't just talk a good game, they backed it up.........

Serena has annoyed even me in 2005, but I still think, at her best, there isn't a female tennis player that's presently in the WTA than can beat her. She is still the best.

DrJules
11-29-2005, 05:23 PM
Serena has annoyed even me in 2006, but I still think, at her best, there isn't a female tennis player than can beat her. She is still the best.

Unfortunately, the Williams sisters have for the last few years tended to play the ladies tour part time. I do not think that either the mens or ladies tour benefits from their top players being part time. They are more interested in being celebrities than supporting tennis.

By the way what happens in 2006; who wins the grand slams.

euroka1
11-29-2005, 05:27 PM
Oh, I think that what he went through is a factor, too. But so is his skin color, and that's what really sets him apart from the rest of the pack, for better or worse. Other players have had deaths in their families and have overcome illness and injuries, and they don't get the press attention that Blake does. (Vince Spadea completely revived his career after enduring the longest losing streak in ATP history, and he's not getting interviewed on 60 Minutes, is he?) I just think it's silly to pretend that James's skin color is NOT a factor in how he's treated, whether by advertisers, fans, or the press.

Still unmoved, Socket. We've all had deaths in the family and gone through long dark nights of the soul but few of us have had it as extreme as this. No, we don't all get on 60 minutes, thank heavens, but I'm glad that some success stories do, if only to give hope to others. I feel I'm not being :silly: in believing I'm color-blind on this issue :bigcry: .

mangoes
11-29-2005, 05:56 PM
Unfortunately, the Williams sisters have for the last few years tended to play the ladies tour part time. I do not think that either the mens or ladies tour benefits from their top players being part time. They are more interested in being celebrities than supporting tennis.

By the way what happens in 2006; who wins the grand slams.

LOLOLOLOL......... :p I just realized that I wrote 2006...........lololol. Sadly, I agree. I also feel that tennis has become a part time job for them.

Anyway, in 2006, Roger wins Roland Garros, Wimbledon, and the Australian Open. Rafa wins the US Open.

Socket
11-29-2005, 06:04 PM
Well, I'll admit that I'm a big fan of Serena................(I'm ducking the tomatoes) I never heard that they moved to Compton. I thought they moved from Compton. Did they have a financial reason for moving there? Oh well, nevertheless, I'm a big fan of the Williams Sisters because they didn't just talk a good game, they backed it up.........

Serena has annoyed even me in 2005, but I still think, at her best, there isn't a female tennis player that's presently in the WTA than can beat her. She is still the best.
IIRC, Mr. Williams has said that he moved his family to Compton to make sure that they knew what it was like to be black, or to grow up black. Fair enough, but there are very nice working-class and middle-class black suburbs in the LA area that would fit that criterion as well.

mangoes
11-29-2005, 06:12 PM
IIRC, Mr. Williams has said that he moved his family to Compton to make sure that they knew what it was like to be black, or to grow up black. Fair enough, but there are very nice working-class and middle-class black suburbs in the LA area that would fit that criterion as well.


WHAT? Being black means coming from the ghetto? I'm actually going to look this up. I'm not doubting you, but if he said that, that man is an idiot.

Socket
11-29-2005, 06:15 PM
WHAT? Being black means coming from the ghetto? I'm actually going to look this up. I'm not doubting you, but if he said that, that man is an idiot.
Mr. Williams has a reputation for saying lots of things like this. He loves to yank chains.

DrJules
11-29-2005, 06:22 PM
IIRC, Mr. Williams has said that he moved his family to Compton to make sure that they knew what it was like to be black, or to grow up black. Fair enough, but there are very nice working-class and middle-class black suburbs in the LA area that would fit that criterion as well.


We will only overcome racial division when people stop thinking in terms of being black or white and think in terms of being part of a group called the human race. His attitude just encourages racial division.

cincy
11-29-2005, 08:19 PM
It makes me laugh that Andy, despite being a supposedly limited player in a slump, still finished 2005 number four in the world, made a slam semi and wimby final and won 5 titles!!! Sure no MS but nonetheless five trophies. Go Andy!!!!!!!

According to the "experts" Andy had a really TERRIBLE year. :lol: Don't you just love these "experts" all of whom probably only watch tennis during the Slams. :rolleyes:

HE IS MILKING THIS DRAMA FOR ALL IT'S WORTH!! I'm curious to see if his endorsements will increase substancially because most people in America still don't know who this guy is...................

Not only is James Blake milking this drama but he also did a good job of milking the Hewitt incident. :rolleyes: In public, James was all forgiveness and light, raising above the outcry while privately he was seething. :fiery: Hewitt deserves his hate but James could have been more forthcoming about his true feelings.

I saw the 60 minutes piece and felt it was just a re-hash of really old stuff and totally uninteresting. I hadn't seen 60 Minutes in a very long time, simply because it has gotten way too "down market" for my taste. I watched this episode just to see Blake and was very disappointed. But, the piece about "McMansions" was really interesting!!! ;)

Plus, I'm getting a bit tired of Blake being compared to Arthur Ashe. Perhaps in a few years he will do some of the good things Ashe did in the Black community but he hasn't done crap so far. :rolleyes: And, did anybody notice that all of his "friends" were White? ALL of them, including the hottie-tottie girlfriend. I had previously though James was less shallow than that, but I was very wrong, apparently.

ESPN Classic will be showing a 60 Minutes story about Andre Agassi from several years ago. I've never seen it but I've heard it's really a good one. Just FYI for anyone interested.

Iheartandy&roger
11-29-2005, 08:47 PM
I like Lleyton, but he didn't realize he doomed himself forever with the American media by insinuating to the ump that a black linesman was ruling in favor of Blake because "look at them and see what they have in common".

Now everytime Blake (or Hewitt) gets media attention they'll will roll out the footage (as they did here) or mention it in the newspapers. :)

But then...any publicity is good publicity. He's probably better known than Federer.


He said that one time.. man I was just starting to actually warm up to Lleyton...man that was a Homer Simpson moment...really stupid Lleyton...

euroka1
11-29-2005, 10:58 PM
The last couple of posts are really depressing. Cultural differences I can understand and respect. I like my cultural background and would resent someone trying to change it. Racial preferences can be understood in terms of cultural preferences. But they should make no difference to the way a person is treated. To base judgements on skin color, when we know that genetically it is insignificant, to me is crazy.

One of the great advantages of working in another country is to find out that there are other ways of achieving ends than those that our own society taught us. It is this sort of cross-cultural understanding that we should try to get into our kids.

SORRY-Wandering off topic, triumph over adversity, and I will now shut up.

mangoes
11-29-2005, 11:11 PM
According to the "experts" Andy had a really TERRIBLE year. :lol: Don't you just love these "experts" all of whom probably only watch tennis during the Slams. :rolleyes:



Not only is James Blake milking this drama but he also did a good job of milking the Hewitt incident. :rolleyes: In public, James was all forgiveness and light, raising above the outcry while privately he was seething. :fiery: Hewitt deserves his hate but James could have been more forthcoming about his true feelings.

I saw the 60 minutes piece and felt it was just a re-hash of really old stuff and totally uninteresting. I hadn't seen 60 Minutes in a very long time, simply because it has gotten way too "down market" for my taste. I watched this episode just to see Blake and was very disappointed. But, the piece about "McMansions" was really interesting!!! ;)

Plus, I'm getting a bit tired of Blake being compared to Arthur Ashe. Perhaps in a few years he will do some of the good things Ashe did in the Black community but he hasn't done crap so far. :rolleyes: And, did anybody notice that all of his "friends" were White? ALL of them, including the hottie-tottie girlfriend. I had previously though James was less shallow than that, but I was very wrong, apparently.

ESPN Classic will be showing a 60 Minutes story about Andre Agassi from several years ago. I've never seen it but I've heard it's really a good one. Just FYI for anyone interested.

I really wish reporters would stop comparing James Blake to Arthur Ashe.

Tennis Fool
11-30-2005, 01:10 AM
The last couple of posts are really depressing.
If you think those are depressing, don't do a search on a really old thread "are blacks naturally better athletes" by yours truly. Some of the replies are just :eek: