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Will TMC Loss Affect Federer Forever?

iliketennis
11-26-2005, 08:57 AM
A few times in history, a player has had one critical loss and they have never been the same player again. Most people will probably be thinking that he will get over it, but mentally, Roger could be more affected than he'll let on.

Roger only lost four matches in 05, but they were all of importance- RG SF, AO SF, TMC F. Plus, the finals win streak is gone, and he won't ever be ableto match that, or J-Mac's win/loss % again.

Now I'm not saying that Roger will sink like the Titanic, but it isn't out of the question that next year he might only pick up one slam. He might even return to his former mentally fragile state (90's - 02).

DrJules
11-26-2005, 09:26 AM
John McEnroe after that incredible year of 1984 never won another grand slam. A fact that most observers of tennis consider to be incredible. Possibly, the physical and mental energy required to achieve that domination is so exhausting that John had to reduce his intensity. Roger Federer could also suffer from the exhaustion of success.

I do not think that the master cup's defeat will hurt Roger's confidence. The limitations in the final were more physical than mental. In reality, after the ankle injury and consequent restrictions in training, it was always going to be difficult to survive a long 5 set match.

Probably, the physical condition of his body worries him more than how he mentally handled the final.

HappyAndie
11-26-2005, 09:35 AM
I don't think it will affect him.

Roger said a lot of things in his post-match interview that relate to this question. I don't think he is spending a lot of time contemplating how much he sucks at tennis now that he lost the final. He knows that he's still got it. It's not as if he was dominated at all by Nalbandian.

I think it may have him a bit less confident at the AO, but that's about as far as I would suggest the effects would carry.

Is it possible it will affect him for the rest of his career? Yeah. Is it even close to likely? No.

Horatio Caine
11-26-2005, 10:16 AM
Nah - he clearly wasn't playing all that well and he had little confidence in his ankle. The start to 2006 may be a little but slow for his standards, but I expect him to win at least 1 Slam next year and at least 8 titles in total.

Hola Mr. SK
11-26-2005, 11:13 AM
heck no! He lost cuz he didnt paly consistently! He just recovered from ankle injury at that time. He's confident when he's 100% healthy.
He'll gain at least 1 grand slam title, probably 2.

RonE
11-26-2005, 11:29 AM
Not at all- he was lucky to be able to play and he always knew that he wasn't 100% and it would be a struggle especially in a best of five sets match against Nalbandian. Had he been physically fit, had led 2-0 sets, 5-1 40-0 and then failed to close it out from a position in which he was dominating, I am sure it would have had a bigger impact. But despite being up two sets to love it was never a match one felt he had in his control at any stage.

As long as he is physically back to 100% and moving normally I expect he will start the next year looking to make a statement and do so with a flourish.

nobama
11-26-2005, 11:47 AM
I think the question should be: Who would like the TMC Loss to Affect Federer Forever? ;)

sigmagirl91
11-26-2005, 12:12 PM
Nah...not at all.

avocadoe
11-26-2005, 01:28 PM
Definitely NOT....what will effect Roger is the level of health he can maintain, specifically his feet/ankle, and as a corollary, the level of fitness he can bring to the court, depending on the state of the former. Otherwise there is nothing lacking, cetainly not mentally.

avocadoe
11-26-2005, 01:29 PM
I think the question should be: Who would like the TMC Loss to Affect Federer Forever? ;)
haaaaaaaa, that's a good one :wavey:

Billabong
11-26-2005, 02:26 PM
Most certainly not. In my opinion the AO loss was a tougher one, and he rebounded pretty well from that one, no;)?

Hola Mr. SK
11-26-2005, 03:31 PM
I think the question should be: Who would like the TMC Loss to Affect Federer Forever? ;)
Lleyton Hewitt, for sure;)

almouchie
11-26-2005, 03:35 PM
well I would like to put this issue raised in a different way
will federer be able to continue & dominate provided the injuries & setback & a handful of competitors
I think if anything the TMS loss showed one thing for sure (in my persective)
Federer is clearly better than the rest but still he has to be in to condition & fully fit to compete. & than a not 100% fit federer cannt expect or will win. Wimbledon05 was the exception & not likely to happen again. It was one of his poorest display in a GS win showing the level of the competition
Its not whether he will dominate for years to come but more can he_ injuries & the like are to be expected

RodLo
11-26-2005, 03:41 PM
I think many people are reading too far into his TMC loss. :shrug:

If he is as great of a player as everyone says he is, it shouldn't matter one bit.

Black Adam
11-26-2005, 07:25 PM
It's the Off Season........very easy to recognise.

wcr
11-26-2005, 07:54 PM
Same sort of question was asked after Roger's AO loss to Safin and FO loss to Nadal. The answer remains NO.

He likes being #1. He'll get his fitness back and beat Nalbandian the next time they meet.

wcr
11-26-2005, 07:56 PM
I think the question should be: Who would like the TMC Loss to Affect Federer Forever? ;)

Sampras fans who don't want Roger anywhere neat Pete's records. Speaking of Pete's records, come the 2nd/3rd week in January, Roger will overtake Pete's run at consecutive weeks at #1.

TennisGrandSlam
11-26-2005, 08:28 PM
A few times in history, a player has had one critical loss and they have never been the same player again. Most people will probably be thinking that he will get over it, but mentally, Roger could be more affected than he'll let on.

Roger only lost four matches in 05, but they were all of importance- RG SF, AO SF, TMC F. Plus, the finals win streak is gone, and he won't ever be ableto match that, or J-Mac's win/loss % again.

Now I'm not saying that Roger will sink like the Titanic, but it isn't out of the question that next year he might only pick up one slam. He might even return to his former mentally fragile state (90's - 02).



This is a joking question!

Roger claims more titles (especially grand slam) RATHER THAN meaningless records!



24 straight finals win DOUBLE the old record (not by Roger) owned by Borg and McEnore (12)! It is very fantastic!

star
11-26-2005, 08:29 PM
John McEnroe after that incredible year of 1984 never won another grand slam. A fact that most observers of tennis consider to be incredible. Possibly, the physical and mental energy required to achieve that domination is so exhausting that John had to reduce his intensity. Roger Federer could also suffer from the exhaustion of success.

I do not think that the master cup's defeat will hurt Roger's confidence. The limitations in the final were more physical than mental. In reality, after the ankle injury and consequent restrictions in training, it was always going to be difficult to survive a long 5 set match.

Probably, the physical condition of his body worries him more than how he mentally handled the final.

I'm not sure you can compare Federer with McEnroe. They are such different personalities. I think Federer's mentality is much more like Sampras's than McEnroe's. McEnroe had a lot of demons that kept him from truly enjoying the number one spot, and he had a taste for the rock and roll/hollywood lifestyle. Federer, like Sampras, seems to be interested in records and stats, something McEnroe didn't really consider as much. Also, Federer, like Sampras, seems to enjoy his number one status much more than JMac ever managed to do.

Also, I don't see Federer wanting that break from tennis that McEnroe wanted. McEnroe was never the same player when he came back. Of course drugs and rock and roll may have had something to do with that. I don't see Federer being that imprudent.

El Legenda
11-26-2005, 08:45 PM
its not like he lost to a bad player like roddick.

pete25
11-26-2005, 09:01 PM
Roger will overcome this loss very quickly. He is a true champion and will prove it again in 2006. I'm saying he can win all 4 grand slam titles in 2006.
He just has to fully recover from his injury and manage perfectly his health during 2006. Go Roger !

disturb3d
11-26-2005, 09:21 PM
Roger was beaten by the better player.
Just as the FO semis had no effect on him, neither will this.

Seraphim
11-26-2005, 10:30 PM
A few times in history, a player has had one critical loss and they have never been the same player again. Most people will probably be thinking that he will get over it, but mentally, Roger could be more affected than he'll let on.

Roger only lost four matches in 05, but they were all of importance- RG SF, AO SF, TMC F. Plus, the finals win streak is gone, and he won't ever be ableto match that, or J-Mac's win/loss % again.

Now I'm not saying that Roger will sink like the Titanic, but it isn't out of the question that next year he might only pick up one slam. He might even return to his former mentally fragile state (90's - 02).
...

disturb3d
11-26-2005, 10:42 PM
Roger will overcome this loss very quickly. He is a true champion and will prove it again in 2006. I'm saying he can win all 4 grand slam titles in 2006.Not a fuckin chance.
The possibily of him winning all 4 slams has severely declined since 2003.

There are an abundance of players who have a far greater chance of success against Roger than there were 2 years ago. Don't forget that he would also have to battle past Nadal at Roland Garros (Never gonna happen).

pete25
11-27-2005, 01:25 AM
I saw the FO semifinal and it was perfectly clear that Roger had enough weapons to beat Nadal on clay. Unfortunately, he did not play his best.
And who said Nadal will reach the final in the FO in 2006 ? cause it's the only way he can meet Roger.

HappyAndie
11-27-2005, 06:16 AM
I thought it over today, and I have decided that I think it is probably a good thing that Roger lost....and by a good thing, I mean a good thing for Roger.

Can you imagine the pressure that someone with a record like that is under? You're made to feel like some type of alien. I think it probably feels nice to be proven to be an actual human being. I would bet that Roger is pretty relieved. He'll do better next year now that the pressure is off.

Tennis_Passion
11-27-2005, 07:30 AM
Maybe, maybe not.....it is like saying if his loss again Safin in Australian Open could ruin his career. Well, I'm sure it would not matter too much.

Fedex
11-27-2005, 07:38 AM
But despite being up two sets to love it was never a match one felt he had in his control at any stage.

True, its not as though Federer dominated in those 1st two sets. Those two sets were very tight and close, and it probably took alot out of him mentally and physically; he could have just as easily lost the match in 4 sets. As to the question, no the loss will not affect Federer. Federer is a champion and he will recover from this loss.

Fedex
11-27-2005, 07:41 AM
He likes being #1. He'll get his fitness back and beat Nalbandian the next time they meet.
Well, I dont deny that Federer will probably have a little extra incentive the next time they meet. ;)

Puschkin
11-27-2005, 08:52 AM
Déjà vu. The same question was asked after the Olympics and the AO and the answers were convincing ;).

Lalitha
11-27-2005, 09:55 AM
I think the question should be: Who would like the TMC Loss to Affect Federer Forever? ;)

Well said :yeah:

TennisGrandSlam
11-27-2005, 04:30 PM
2003
78-17
1 Grand Slam : Wimbledon
7 Singles Titles
1 defeneded Singles Titles : Vienna

2004
74-6
3 Grand Slam : Australian Open, Wimbledon, US Open
11 Singles Titles
4 defeneded Singles Titles : Dubai, Halle, Wimbledon, TMC

2005
81-4
2 Grand Slam : Wimbledon, US Open
11 Singles Titles
7 defeneded Singles Titles : Dubai, Indian Wells TMS, Hamburg TMS, Halle, Wimbledon, US Open, Bangkok



In the past 3 years, Roger show that he is the best! (233-27, 29 Singles Titles in 32 Finals)

The tendancy show that Roger can do the best in 2006!

lorenz
11-28-2005, 01:48 PM
I think the question should be: Who would like the TMC Loss to Affect Federer Forever? ;)

Me

kabuki
11-28-2005, 02:26 PM
A few times in history, a player has had one critical loss and they have never been the same player again. Most people will probably be thinking that he will get over it, but mentally, Roger could be more affected than he'll let on.

Roger only lost four matches in 05, but they were all of importance- RG SF, AO SF, TMC F. Plus, the finals win streak is gone, and he won't ever be ableto match that, or J-Mac's win/loss % again.

Now I'm not saying that Roger will sink like the Titanic, but it isn't out of the question that next year he might only pick up one slam. He might even return to his former mentally fragile state (90's - 02).

The drama of it all. :D

Fumus
11-28-2005, 10:01 PM
Umm....short answer yes. Big losses do affect you. Will Roger never win a slam again and fall in the rankings? I doubt that will happen! It's just sometimes as a player you can lose your confidence, or that feeling that you are invincible.

Anyways, I would much prefer to see Roger continue to play great tennis, and the top players continue to try their best to challenge him because any match Roger plays against a top guy is going to be a good one. ;)

pete25
11-28-2005, 10:09 PM
Roger becomes 10 times stronger and better when he looses a match.
2006, 2007 and 2008 will be his best seasons. You'll see.

Frank Winkler
11-28-2005, 10:58 PM
In his own mind he was in poor shape. Won first two sets. ran out of gas and still almost one the fifth set.
I am a Federer fan. I was actually pulling for Nalbandian to win.
I did not want Federer to become overconfident.
I hope he will cut down on promotions and work on his fitness.
If anything could have affected his psychy it would have been the loss to Safin.
It did not.
Actually I think he now is mentally as strong as Jimmy Connors. He never doubted himself.
Yes I think the grand slam is a possibility buy almost impossible in todays game.
We will see.
The year end is a joke. Its meaningless except for the money.
I wish the top 10 players would take at least November and December off.
If i was in charge of a top player. I would have him disappear for 3 months October, November and December.

Oriental_Rain
11-29-2005, 04:29 AM
I think the question should be: Who would like the TMC Loss to Affect Federer Forever? ;)
well said :yeah:

mandoura
11-29-2005, 05:17 AM
Not at all- he was lucky to be able to play and he always knew that he wasn't 100% and it would be a struggle especially in a best of five sets match against Nalbandian. Had he been physically fit, had led 2-0 sets, 5-1 40-0 and then failed to close it out from a position in which he was dominating, I am sure it would have had a bigger impact. But despite being up two sets to love it was never a match one felt he had in his control at any stage.

As long as he is physically back to 100% and moving normally I expect he will start the next year looking to make a statement and do so with a flourish.

Yes RonE, very true.

One more thing to further prove your point, many said he would be affected after his AO loss to Safin but he overcame it.

Champions are not measured or made by how many times they fall, but rather by how many times they come back, IMHO.

RonE
11-29-2005, 07:06 AM
Champions are not measured or made by how many times they fall, but rather by how many times they come back, IMHO.

Couldn't have said it better myself :worship:

squirrel
11-29-2005, 08:02 AM
I am sure not at all!!!!! :) :) :) :)

prima donna
11-29-2005, 09:44 AM
This thread has been alive and kicking for days, for some strange reason apparently ignorance attracts longevity, atleast if you apply it to some of what goes on within this board.

Aside from that, I suppose that I will finally confront this ludicrous line of questioning.

The Swiss gentleman has shown composure in every situation this year, he's faced adversity before, especially when everyone was writing him off simply because he failed to win atleast 1 of the first 2 slams. What would give us any reason to think that next year will be any different ? Roger wasn't 100% healthy at any point during this season, he spent much of the year beat up. I'm expecting to see the Federer of 2004 and just for kicks, it'd be nice if he brought the long hair back.

Fact of the matter is, one match does not make or break you. I seriously hope that you do not believe the single best player to ever step foot on a tennis court is going to disappear into the oblivion because of one single match.

WF4EVER
11-29-2005, 06:38 PM
I'm still stinging from Roger's loss even though I know that he was not at his best physically. But I'm not concerned about his mental state. I want him to be healthy and everything else will fall into its rightful place, IMO.

Frankly, if I were anyone below #1 I'd be very concerned that Federer will come out in 2006 to prove that nothing has changed. He's still the best and he'll sitll continue to dominate as he has done since 2003.

He showed a lot of grit in that final which proved to me that he was mentally there but it wasn't meant to be. So you move on.