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Roger's chase for Roland Garros.

prima donna
11-20-2005, 08:19 PM
What does Roger need to do to stake the prize that of winning Roland Garros ? For one, I think that he needs to play more clay court events, but he should avoid those with Nadal in them, for strategic purposes. A magician never reveals his secrets, it would be foolish of him to give Nadal a look at his artillery. He should enter a few tournaments with top clay court players in them; Coria, JCF, Nalbandian, Gaudio and Kuerten as well, assuming that he will be healthy for the 2006 season.

ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Monaco - QF appearance.
ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Germany - Won title.

I would like to see Roger possibly play 1 small clay court event (of course the other 2 masters events as well), under heavy conditions and in a hostile environment to prepare him for Roland Garros. South America would be a good choice, especially considering that Nadal won't be defending any of his titles there. Roger was very close this year, though it will require a bit of fortune (which up until now it seemed he had plenty of) making it to the Finals should not be a highly difficult task, though not an extremely easy one.

If Roger were able to maintain his Wimbledon title and win Roland Garros, he would absolved of all and any that has occured in the past, as well as discussions that Sampras is the better player (yeah, the same pete that gave up on even showing up to the french open in the latter part of his career).

This was a relatively successful year, Roger has nothing to hang his head about. He's accomplished plenty, Wimbledon and the U.S Open + 9 other titles. Now, let's go for another milestone, something only Laver and Agassi have accomplished, attain the Career Slam by prevailing in Paris, preparation is everything!

lucashg
11-20-2005, 08:28 PM
I don't see Roger ever coming to South America, unfortunately. I don't know what people and/or him (did he really mention that?) mean when they and/or him say he will play more clay tournaments next year? The biggest ATP tournaments outside the AMS trio are Valencia, Barcelona and St. Poelten. I don't see him playing those either.

He should just look to play better in these AMS, possibly winning one that isn't Hamburg would be great for him. He was a finalist once in Rome, and twice a QF in Monte-Carlo, I hope he's able to perform better in these two, especially in Monaco as it seems to be the clay most close to the one used in Roland Garros.

To win in Paris, he'll need to be healthy, fit, confident and possibly with a win or tight-loss against Nadal ON clay under his belt already. He will need a bit of luck with the draw too.

jacobhiggins
11-20-2005, 08:29 PM
He needs to focus and play a very good match each round of the FO, he is one of the best clay court players in the game and can win it, he just has to focus, he has the talent and the desire and I think he will win it sometime in his career and next year is a perfect candidate, i'm not sure if he will do it, he will probablly have to get past Nadal but Federer can do it, it will be tough for him though, because Nadal is the best on clay!!!

nkhera1
11-20-2005, 08:35 PM
I doubt Federer will waste his time in South America when he can be resting and making a ton of money for apperances in other tournaments at similar times. Fed is already pretty good on clay, he just needs to keep working on his game in general (just stay more consistent especially on the backhand) and he should be fine.

rofe
11-20-2005, 08:36 PM
What does Roger need to do to stake the prize that of winning Roland Garros ? For one, I think that he needs to play more clay court events, but he should avoid those with Nadal in them, for strategic purposes. A magician never reveals his secrets, it would be foolish of him to give Nadal a look at his artillery.

I completely disagree with you on this. He has to play against Nadal as many times as possible before RG. Two reasons for that:

1) He is very nervous against Nadal (his own reasoning is the lefty style and the heavy topspin) for some reason and the more he plays, the better his feel for Nadal's game. This is how he has achived a positive h2h against players who made his bitch.

2) What better preparation for RG than to play against the best clay courter around?

In my opinion, he should play Monte Carlo and Rome if he wants to give himself any chance of winning RG. He should actually skip Hamburg since the clay there is very different than the clay in RG.

prima donna
11-20-2005, 08:38 PM
I don't see Roger ever coming to South America, unfortunately. I don't know what people and/or him (did he really mention that?) mean when they and/or him say he will play more clay tournaments next year?

No, Roger has never mentioned playing in South America. Not on the record atleast. I think it'd be good though, because of the conditions and it would test his mind, body and there is no point in winning Hamburg 50 + times then having it not be of any use at Roland Garros. Apparently, Hamburg's conditions aren't similar at all to those at Roland Garros. What am I saying ? It's an indoor clay tournament, come on.

I don't want to see Roger face Nadal on clay unless it's at Roland Garros, though I agree that a tight match against him would be a good thing, preferably at the Australian Open.

These clay court specialists are all about repetition, they play on this stuff year around and Roger is trying to beat them with 2 events under his belt.

prima donna
11-20-2005, 08:42 PM
he should play Monte Carlo and Rome

I agree about Rome, but Nadal will be there. I just don't think it'd be good for Roger, tactically atleast, to face Nadal. Let's say that he wins, okay and now you have to do it again in Paris. They will have prepared a strategy, though there is no real strategy against Roger, the same goes for Nadal on clay.

Rome is a faster clay court surface, so, for sure it would be good preparation. Actually, I don't think the courts at Roland Garros are that slow, they play quite fast in my opinion (look how the ball was skidding against Amalgro when Roger faced him) as opposed to the conditions against Nadal.

Clay is tough to figure out, Roger is already a clay-court specialist, I'm serious. He is. How many can beat Roger even on his weakest surface ? It's just preparation lacking here.

jenanun
11-20-2005, 08:43 PM
as long as nadal is healthy, i dont see federer winning RG....

Galaxystorm
11-20-2005, 08:44 PM
I don't think he needs to play more tournaments on clay to win Roland Garros than the 3 clay masters series . In fact he played very well this year in the French Open, although the key day against Nadal played a crappy match , i would say Nadal didn't win that match but Federer lost it .

If he had played just a normal match against Nadal, Roger had won because Nadal wasn't playing well in Roland Garros at all because of the pressure , so beating Nadal Roger had won Puerta and now we would be talking about him as this year Roland Garros winner . Only a bad day stopped him to win the French Grand slam.

Obviously if Roger played more tournaments on clay he would improve on it , but i think there are only few players superior to Federer on clay right now, so i don't see a great necessity for him to play more on clay since he's already one of the best players on clay. Although it would be funny to watch him to play in South America, the same for Roddick and Hewitt , also it would be funny to see Nadal playing north-american hardcourt tours :)

Federer will win Roland Garros one day, it's just a matter of time.

nkhera1
11-20-2005, 08:45 PM
I agree about Rome, but Nadal will be there. I just don't think it'd be good for Roger, tactically atleast, to face Nadal. Let's say that he wins, okay and now you have to do it again in Paris. They will have prepared a strategy, though there is no real strategy against Roger, the same goes for Nadal on clay.

Rome is a faster clay court surface, so, for sure it would be good preparation. Actually, I don't think the courts at Roland Garros are that slow, they play quite fast in my opinion (look how the ball was skidding against Amalgro when Roger faced him) as opposed to the conditions against Nadal.

Clay is tough to figure out, Roger is already a clay-court specialist, I'm serious. He is. How many can beat Roger even on his weakest surface ? It's just preparation lacking here.

What is Nadal going to figure out about Fed's game that he doesn't already know. Facing Nadal is probably more beneficial for Fed as mentioned above becuase it gets him used to the wicked spin.

Saumon
11-20-2005, 09:01 PM
Safin will win RG next year...








































... because I say so :)

lau
11-20-2005, 09:03 PM
Safin will win RG next year...









... because I say so :)
:yippee:

prima donna
11-20-2005, 09:04 PM
What is Nadal going to figure out about Fed's game that he doesn't already know. Facing Nadal is probably more beneficial for Fed as mentioned above becuase it gets him used to the wicked spin.
That's one way of looking at it, I'd completely ignored those facts. Roger does offer far more variety in his games and can do a change up, Nadal has not many options once he is figured out because he is primarily defensive. Fair enough, so if Roger is to play in a tournament (on clay) that Nadal does then which would most benefit him ? Let's see, Nadal didn't play Hamburg, but he did play Monaco. What are the conditions in Monaco like ?

shotgun
11-20-2005, 09:06 PM
:haha:

*imagining Federer playing at Costa do Sauípe*

Galaxystorm
11-20-2005, 09:09 PM
I imagine Fed playing in Viña del Mar against Gonzalez and the crowd telling Federer sweet things :tape:

lau
11-20-2005, 09:11 PM
:haha: This turned out to be a great thread! :haha:

shotgun
11-20-2005, 09:11 PM
I imagine Fed playing in Viña del Mar against Gonzalez and the crowd telling Federer sweet things :tape:

Yeap. Or in Sauípe against Guga. :o

Federer is too classy for the Latin-american clay season. :sad:

edit: to make Galaxystorm happy.

lau
11-20-2005, 09:13 PM
Yeap. Or in Sauípe against Guga. :o

Federer is too classy for the South-american clay season. :sad:
You forgot Buenos Aires against Gaudio!! :tape: :haha: :haha: :haha:

shotgun
11-20-2005, 09:14 PM
You forgot Buenos Aires against Gaudio!! :tape: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Or in Acapulco against... uhmm... Miguel Gallardo Valles? :p

lau
11-20-2005, 09:16 PM
:lol:

prima donna
11-20-2005, 09:36 PM
Yeap. Or in Sauípe against Guga. :o

Federer is too classy for the Latin-american clay season. :sad:


Would it really be thaaat bad ?

shotgun
11-20-2005, 09:42 PM
Would it really be thaaat bad ?

I mean, it's not like they would start throwing chairs at him, as it happened in Chile in DC some years ago. But they would surely give him lots of crap during the whole match.

virex
11-20-2005, 09:44 PM
:haha:

*imagining Federer playing at Costa do Sauípe*

wouldn´t that be nice?

prima donna
11-20-2005, 09:45 PM
I mean, it's not like they would start throwing chairs at him, as it happened in Chile in DC some years ago. But they would surely give him lots of crap during the whole match.
Even more classless than the US Open crowd, so Rome it is.

Scotso
11-20-2005, 09:50 PM
Pay Nadal not to play like he did in Shanghai? :shrug: ;)

Saumon
11-20-2005, 09:51 PM
Pay Nadal not to play like he did in Shanghai? :shrug: ;)
:lol: ;)

Flibbertigibbet
11-20-2005, 10:22 PM
That's why Nadal was at Federer's first match - he wanted to see if Federer was struggling, and if he was, well... might as well let his secret boyfriend win more easily. After all, they have their secret hotel room 'friendly meetings' to make up for that...

...

Wow, I feel very - er - strange making a somewhat lewd joke like that. :eek:

Scotso
11-20-2005, 10:36 PM
Nadal even cut his hair just like Federer's. It's true love!

Mirka doesn't care, as long as Federer has enough money to pay for the room service. ;)

mangoes
11-20-2005, 11:46 PM
I completely disagree with you on this. He has to play against Nadal as many times as possible before RG. Two reasons for that:

1) He is very nervous against Nadal (his own reasoning is the lefty style and the heavy topspin) for some reason and the more he plays, the better his feel for Nadal's game. This is how he has achived a positive h2h against players who made his bitch.

2) What better preparation for RG than to play against the best clay courter around?

In my opinion, he should play Monte Carlo and Rome if he wants to give himself any chance of winning RG. He should actually skip Hamburg since the clay there is very different than the clay in RG.

Completely agree. He needs to deal with Nadal and get a handle on his game. That's something I really admire about Roger, after a while, he figures out his opponent's game.

mangoes
11-20-2005, 11:57 PM
Even more classless than the US Open crowd, so Rome it is.

Well you seem to be the almight don of determining people's class. That's all you harp on throughout your many posts and threads............"someone's class".

You called Gaudio classless.............

You call the French Open a dirt fest.

You're calling South American classless

You're calling American classless


Well I think you don't have enough class to pick up my dog's shit from the sidewalk. I have always been told that it can be very telling of a person's class by the words uttered and written by the individual. You must come from the gutter where you were always judged, hence your need to make yourself feel better by trying to show that everyone lacks class but yourself. Your desire to do such proves to all of us that you, PRIMA DONNA, are the very definition of the label you seek to put upon others.

PRIMA DONNA equals CLASSLESS.

:) from a Federer fan.

World Beater
11-21-2005, 12:18 AM
fed needs a forehand squash shot...he needs to ask guille for advice on it...when fed is forced to stretch defensively on the fh, he is in trouble...

prima donna
11-21-2005, 12:39 AM
Well you seem to be the almight don of determining people's class. That's all you harp on throughout your many posts and threads............"someone's class". .
I call 'em like I see 'em and I'm not the least bit bias, considering that I'm a New Yorker and I've attended the USO on numerous occasions, my insight is probably a tad bit better than yours with regard to crowd behavior.

You called Gaudio classless.............

You call the French Open a dirt fest.

You're calling South American classless
Throwing chairs and heckling is classless, so is tanking and the last I checked Roland Garros was played on dirt.



Well I think you don't have enough class to pick up my dog's shit from the sidewalk. I have always been told that it can be very telling of a person's class by the words uttered and written by the individual. You must come from the gutter where you were always judged, hence your need to make yourself feel better by trying to show that everyone lacks class but yourself. Your desire to do such proves to all of us that you, PRIMA DONNA, are the very definition of the label you seek to put upon others.

PRIMA DONNA equals CLASSLESS.

:) from a Federer fan.

Well, you being a Federer fan doesn't change this one bit. It's a rare find that people conduct themselves with class, you for example are incapable of properly approaching this situation and handling it as a civilized individual, so you've reduced yourself to derogatory remarks and basically you've lost it. Your mind is no longer the boss. Classy way to go out, paisan.

BATES
11-21-2005, 01:14 AM
Federer is admired worldwide, I don't think it is going to be that bad for him to play in South America.
Anyway, I only see him playing in LatinAmerican season if there's a huge check behind. :tears:

Federerthebest
11-21-2005, 01:39 AM
Who cares about Roland Garros, it is a joke of a tournament. When you've got clowns like Costa and Gaudio winning this tournament, it is obviously meaningless. Federer does not have to win it to be considered an all-time great.

Fedex
11-21-2005, 01:43 AM
He'll have a chance, but his movement on clay needs to improve, and it might also help if he avoided Nadal too.

mangoes
11-21-2005, 01:50 AM
I call 'em like I see 'em and I'm not the least bit bias, considering that I'm a New Yorker and I've attended the USO on numerous occasions, my insight is probably a tad bit better than yours with regard to crowd behavior.


Throwing chairs and heckling is classless, so is tanking and the last I checked Roland Garros was played on dirt.




Well, you being a Federer fan doesn't change this one bit. It's a rare find that people conduct themselves with class, you for example are incapable of properly approaching this situation and handling it as a civilized individual, so you've reduced yourself to derogatory remarks and basically you've lost it. Your mind is no longer the boss. Classy way to go out, paisan.

lololol.........It is hard to be insulted by someone who I have no respect for on this board. I don't find it in the least bit amusing the comments you have been making and I have been to the US Open for several years so again, stop assuming you are on a level higher than everyone else. And if you find the US Open so lacking in class, why attend? You are not a true New Yorker so stop using that label. It offends real New Yorkers like myself. Now when I get into these little dramas with people like you, it only lowers my IQ so, insult me again and I hope it makes you feel better about yourself because I won't be responding to you.

prima donna
11-21-2005, 02:10 AM
lololol.........It is hard to be insulted by someone who I have no respect for on this board. I don't find it in the least bit amusing the comments you have been making and I have been to the US Open for several years so again, stop assuming you are on a level higher than everyone else. And if you find the US Open so lacking in class, why attend? You are not a true New Yorker so stop using that label. It offends real New Yorkers like myself. Now when I get into these little dramas with people like you, it only lowers my IQ so, insult me again and I hope it makes you feel better about yourself because I won't be responding to you.
You don't handle abuse very well, huh ?

case
11-21-2005, 02:34 AM
What does Roger need to do to stake the prize that of winning Roland Garros ? For one, I think that he needs to play more clay court events, but he should avoid those with Nadal in them, for strategic purposes. A magician never reveals his secrets, it would be foolish of him to give Nadal a look at his artillery.


Am I missing something? Did dvd's and video tapes of matches suddenly stop? :lol:

It's hard to keep anything a secret on a tennis court-especially when these matches are being recorded! Santoro is the magician in tennis- Federer makes no secret of being the best.

prima donna
11-21-2005, 03:14 AM
Am I missing something? Did dvd's and video tapes of matches suddenly stop? :lol:

It's hard to keep anything a secret on a tennis court-especially when these matches are being recorded! Santoro is the magician in tennis- Federer makes no secret of being the best.
You raise a fair point and normally when it comes to sports, that would apply, but not here. You cannot judge someone's ball from a videotape, it is the heaviness and different spins applied to it that make it difficult to handle. Anyone that's ever played tennis would know that watching a video is far from an answer to figuring out a player. Most of what Roger does looks really simple, unless you have any idea just what he's trying to do it looks rather elementary, but it's not nearly that. When you are that good, everything looks easy. If that were the case, Roger would just watch video footage of Nadal playing and that would make it easy to handle the top spin and different angles offered by Rafael, right? :rolleyes:

disturb3d
11-21-2005, 03:18 AM
As long as Nadal is alive, Roger will have a slam missing from his collection.

case
11-21-2005, 03:42 AM
You raise a fair point and normally when it comes to sports, that would apply, but not here. You cannot judge someone's ball from a videotape, it is the heaviness and different spins applied to it that make it difficult to handle. Anyone that's ever played tennis would know that watching a video is far from an answer to figuring out a player. Most of what Roger does looks really simple, unless you have any idea just what he's trying to do it looks rather elementary, but it's not nearly that. When you are that good, everything looks easy. If that were the case, Roger would just watch video footage of Nadal playing and that would make it easy to handle the top spin and different angles offered by Rafael, right? :rolleyes:

I have played tennis, but as they use different balls, clay, and conditions vary, obviously watching any record of a match would never compete with match play. Just as practice does not compare with matches. But that is my point also-secrets (Im still not sure there really are any secrets in the ATP) change from match to match. But there is a reason players and their coaches scout each other out.
You are right in one sense that you have to be there, but I can't imagine going in to a major tournament blind and from what I've heard they dont.
My guess is they spend a lot of time looking for weaknesses.

lucashg
11-21-2005, 05:24 AM
fed needs a forehand squash shot...he needs to ask guille for advice on it...when fed is forced to stretch defensively on the fh, he is in trouble...

YES! I'd love to see that shot in his arsenal. :hearts:
But I'm sure I've seen him slicing his forehand before. :confused:

Federer is admired worldwide, I don't think it is going to be that bad for him to play in South America.
Anyway, I only see him playing in LatinAmerican season if there's a huge check behind. :tears:

I'm afraid being admired is not enough to stop the wild behavior of South Americans. Do you think he would get crowd support if he were to play a foreigner? Because there's the "Support The Underdog" rule going strong around here. Perhaps if it was a Chilean in Argentina, or an Argentine in Brazil. :o:rolleyes:

Anyway, that's just pointless speculation as there's no way it's going to happen. :(

prima donna
11-21-2005, 06:01 AM
YES! I'd love to see that shot in his arsenal. :hearts:
But I'm sure I've seen him slicing his forehand before. :confused:

Roger already has a forehand squash shot, so, yeah, it's been seen on numerous accounts. Actually, I haven't seen many others use it.

drf716
11-21-2005, 06:07 AM
i'd love to see him suffer for once and never win the french open! haha! cackle, cackle