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Is this the End of Federer's domination ??

Lleytonisthebest
11-20-2005, 01:39 PM
Losing the first time in the final in 3 2 years and a half.Failing for the first time to break a record, ... will this break Roger's confidence ?? Or can he rebounce ? I think he can ? And u ?

nobama
11-20-2005, 01:42 PM
Didn't we have these same threads after AO and RG?

Roger lost a match...and a finals to boot. Let's call in the suicide watch. Good grief.... :rolleyes:

lucashg
11-20-2005, 01:45 PM
No, it's not.
It's by far the biggest loss of his career if you only judge on numbers, records and all that meaning behind it, but he knew his conditions going into this match and was clear he wasn't playing near his best (even if he did manage to comeback in the 5th, I give credit to Roger, but also to David's choking abilities), he should just forget, move on, and win The Grand Slam next year. :p

Billabong
11-20-2005, 01:45 PM
Losing the first time in the final in 3 2 years and a half.Failing for the first time to break a record, ... will this break Roger's confidence ?? Or can he rebounce ? I think he can ? And u ?


Did you seriously think his record would stay alive for the rest of his career:rolleyes:? Roger knew and was prepared for this to happen one day, so I don't think it will afect his game.

TennisGrandSlam
11-20-2005, 01:47 PM
Losing the first time in the final in 3 2 years and a half.Failing for the first time to break a record, ... will this break Roger's confidence ?? Or can he rebounce ? I think he can ? And u ?


definitely not!

jenanun
11-20-2005, 01:49 PM
yes...

it doesnt mean federer stop play well,

but more talented young players are ready to face federer, such as gasquet and berdych etc...

and also with the comeback of safin, nalbandian, hewitt,

and of course, nadal improving on other surfaces..

federer is still going to win major next year, but he will face more challenges...

1sun
11-20-2005, 01:52 PM
lol, of course it is.

Lleytonisthebest
11-20-2005, 01:56 PM
yes but he still played a great match against gaudio in the SF so we can't say he wasn't at a good level

Federerthebest
11-20-2005, 01:57 PM
No; Federer has shown enough mental fortitude in the last couple of years that I am sure he will rebound well. To suggest that the loss of a match in which he was injured and in which he was two points away from victory will shatter his confidence and signal an end to his domination simply is asinine...

Carlita
11-20-2005, 01:59 PM
:rolleyes: yeah I think he'll go down the rankings now and we will never see or hear from Roger Federer again.....:rolleyes: :shrug:


as if!!!!:ras: he's got more talent in his fingernail than most players together!:banana:

rofe
11-20-2005, 02:01 PM
Stupid thread starter. It is called "virtual" cash ok?

LLeytonRules
11-20-2005, 02:03 PM
No, but all eyes will be on him in the AO, David really took all his hits and won.,

Lleytonisthebest
11-20-2005, 02:05 PM
lol i think he wil still be n°1 but not the BEST of THE BESTS he won't win all his matches he will be a lot more challenged

Saumon
11-20-2005, 02:10 PM
btw can he still lose the number 1 spot after the AO since Nadal didnt play in Paris and Shanghai?? :scratch:

Chloe le Bopper
11-20-2005, 02:16 PM
Yes. It's also the end of the world as we know it.

Saumon
11-20-2005, 02:17 PM
Yes. It's also the end of the world as we know it.
nooooo!!:hysteric:

almouchie
11-20-2005, 02:18 PM
i hope more players start to challenge him next year. Federer was fine pyhsically maybe a little lacking in match pratice but 4 some1 to come back in 5th set from 4-0 he was moving just fine. David earned his chance & eventually defeated the defending champion & no.1. fully deserved david

MissMoJo
11-20-2005, 02:19 PM
ok, sure he'll be playing challenger events by this time next year

pete25
11-20-2005, 02:26 PM
I don't think he was fine physically. That's for sure.
Nalbandian won because Federer was at 70 % of his abilities.
But that's OK, Roger is gonna rest and prepare very well for next year.
It doesn't matter also if his finals streak ends.
Roger becomes 10 times stronger when he loses a match.
Nobody' s going to challenge him next year, not even in his dreams.
Only one player can challenge him a little: it's Pete Sampras at age 25 !!
It's too bad what happended to Roger. If he was not injured, he would have destroyed Nalbandian. I'm extremely upset ! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

tangerine_dream
11-20-2005, 02:30 PM
Yep, this is the sad end for Roger. Everybody has figured out his game now, they can read his serve, Roger just won't be the same Roger anymore. Time to pack his bags. His career's over.

LLeytonRules
11-20-2005, 02:32 PM
Does this mean that Roger will start a cult now? :devil:

Carlita
11-20-2005, 02:40 PM
ok, sure he'll be playing challenger events by this time next yearChallenger??? Back to Futures for Feds!!! :haha:He'd be lucky to get a WC to a challenger

brujyster
11-20-2005, 02:51 PM
Well, his aura of "untouchable" is certainly gone now....

iloveupeterpan
11-20-2005, 02:53 PM
ok,I admit it....I HOPE SO!

MissMoJo
11-20-2005, 03:04 PM
Challenger??? Back to Futures for Feds!!! :haha:He'd be lucky to get a WC to a challenger
He'll be lucky to get a win at that level

Carlita
11-20-2005, 03:06 PM
He'll be lucky to get a win at that levelWell I think he should be able to manage that :) ;) Give the guy some credit Jo :lol:

Fergie
11-20-2005, 03:08 PM
Roger never will win a match again :rolleyes:

Saumon
11-20-2005, 03:10 PM
Well I think he should be able to manage that :) ;) Give the guy some credit Jo :lol:
dont be so sure... the guys in challengers will be too happy to kick his ass :devil: ;)

Flibbertigibbet
11-20-2005, 03:10 PM
Now this is just BS. It's not a Federer apocalypse just because he lost. Need I remind you that he won Indian Wells, Miami, Rotterdam, Dubai, etc., etc. right after he lost to Safin? After the Gasquet loss, he won Hamburg and reached the semifinal of the French. After the Nadal loss, he won Wimbledon, Cincinnati, andd the US Open. Actually, if you purely judge on such stuff, then Federer is very likely to win Doha and the Australian Open. :o

P.S. Federer will never win a big title again. He's going to spiral out of the top hundred and shall retire soon, and the tennis world will forget his name. I dreamed this - really.

MissMoJo
11-20-2005, 03:11 PM
Well I think he should be able to manage that :) ;) Give the guy some credit Jo :lol:
hah! He's done nothing in the last 2 yrs to deserve that :o

TennisLurker
11-20-2005, 03:13 PM
Nalbandian won because Federer was at 70 % of his abilities.
But that's OK, Roger is gonna rest and prepare very well for next year.
Roger becomes 10 times stronger when he loses a match.
Nobody' s going to challenge him next year, not even in his dreams.



This sounds like something from a cartoon, like Dragon Ball Z

Carlita
11-20-2005, 03:16 PM
hah! He's done nothing in the last 2 yrs to deserve that :ohmm :scratch: good point...

Carlita
11-20-2005, 03:17 PM
dont be so sure... the guys in challengers will be too happy to kick his ass :devil: ;)all of them at once then.....not on their own :nerner:

MissMoJo
11-20-2005, 03:19 PM
dont be so sure... the guys in challengers will be too happy to kick his ass :devil: ;)
Let's just start calling him gimelstob's bitch right now

Lleytonisthebest
11-20-2005, 04:55 PM
lol why gimelstob ??

holagirl56
11-20-2005, 07:16 PM
I hate these threads. They pop up every time Feds loses a match.

Feds' record was bound to end eventually, that's what they're there for. To be broken. I doubt that he'll be any less dominant than before, and now with this loss, maybe he'll see what he needs to work on more.

All eyes will be on him to see how he performs, but he's always been good under pressure.

Bubba08
11-20-2005, 07:21 PM
Didn't we have these same threads after AO and RG?

Roger lost a match...and a finals to boot. Let's call in the suicide watch. Good grief.... :rolleyes:
Indeed, one defeat and it's the end of everything. :o

Viken01
11-20-2005, 07:22 PM
This sounds like something from a cartoon, like Dragon Ball Z


OMG SO TRUE :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

KoOlMaNsEaN
11-20-2005, 07:29 PM
I dont think theres any question that he will rebound from this loss and will become a better player and bigger force. He has the intimidation factor, four losses is an extremely small number and two of those losses he had match points and in the last one he was up two sets to none. Roger will come back strong.

Rogiman
11-20-2005, 07:54 PM
I don't think any player could win everything as consistently as he's been doing for the last couple of years, so it just makes sense he'll slow down a little at some point.

Winning one Slam per year (be it any of the four) is, however, a realistic goal for him for the next few years, and could prove enough to stay at the top, so whether you call it domination or not - expect him to be near the #1 spot for quite a while.

jacobhiggins
11-20-2005, 07:59 PM
No of course not, Roger didn't expect to do much and came into the tournament not 100 percent and if you listen to his interview after his loss, he is very calm, collected, and still seems to be very happy. Roger bounces back from defeat very well and he might be the best player that has ever played the game, no, I think his dominance will continue for a long while LMAO!!!!

El Legenda
11-20-2005, 08:48 PM
Is this the end of stupid threads?

KoOlMaNsEaN
11-20-2005, 10:09 PM
Its one loss, one loss doesnt end a domination.. + the off season roger will rebound really well

decrepitude
11-20-2005, 10:20 PM
Is this the end of stupid threads?

On MTF? Surely not? :devil:

jenanun
11-20-2005, 10:26 PM
i think people are a little bit overreacted... we are talking about end of fed's domination, not end of his career...
of course, he is going to win a lot of matches next year, but maybe not as many as he did, and will face more challenges

in fact, some people may already says this year, federer AND nadal both dominate the tennis, so its no longer just federer domination....

Natasc
11-20-2005, 10:31 PM
No way men

Fed is still an AMAZING player
as the chairman of atp said: "See you (Roger) playing is like poetry"

For a play beat Fed they has to be at their bests
and that's not easy, and it's a litle bit impossible...

Besides that still "impossible" for my point of view beat Roger at his (REAL) best

Fed even playing reasonable is still amazing

So, I say a BIG NO for this

DrJules
11-20-2005, 10:35 PM
Depends on future physical condition.

nobama
11-20-2005, 11:20 PM
i think people are a little bit overreacted... we are talking about end of fed's domination, not end of his career...
of course, he is going to win a lot of matches next year, but maybe not as many as he did, and will face more challenges

in fact, some people may already says this year, federer AND nadal both dominate the tennis, so its no longer just federer domination....No I think this question is a bit of an over reaction. Just like after he lost at RG and we had these threads about how he needed to sack Tony Roche.

mangoes
11-21-2005, 12:05 AM
Losing the first time in the final in 3 2 years and a half.Failing for the first time to break a record, ... will this break Roger's confidence ?? Or can he rebounce ? I think he can ? And u ?


NO..............He came off an injury and weeks of no play and still made it to the final. He was not 100%, so no, this isn't the end of Roger. And even when he wasn't playing at even 75%, he still broke Nalbandian in the final set. Luck determined the ending of that match. The luck fell on Nalbandian's side. If Roger had won today's match, I would have also said luck fell on his side because he was drained.

And tennis is dominated by Roger and Rafa...............and I don't foresee that changing anytime in the near future.

One think I am sure of, "The Best of Lleyton is OVER"

mangoes
11-21-2005, 12:11 AM
I don't think he was fine physically. That's for sure.
Nalbandian won because Federer was at 70 % of his abilities.
But that's OK, Roger is gonna rest and prepare very well for next year.
It doesn't matter also if his finals streak ends.
Roger becomes 10 times stronger when he loses a match.
Nobody' s going to challenge him next year, not even in his dreams.
Only one player can challenge him a little: it's Pete Sampras at age 25 !!
It's too bad what happended to Roger. If he was not injured, he would have destroyed Nalbandian. I'm extremely upset ! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


Agree. Roger knew the risk he took playing at less than 100% and Nalbandian benefited.

jacobhiggins
11-21-2005, 01:03 AM
Federer dominated this year, not Nadal, Nadal is not far behind Federer, but Federer was the one with the unbelivable record and 2 slams and almost a third, this is another domination by Federer, plus he made the semi-finals of the FO!!!

World Beater
11-21-2005, 01:05 AM
the question isnt whether roger will dominate...

Will he win another match ?????

mangoes
11-21-2005, 01:07 AM
Federer dominated this year, not Nadal, Nadal is not far behind Federer, but Federer was the one with the unbelivable record and 2 slams and almost a third, this is another domination by Federer, plus he made the semi-finals of the FO!!!


Totally agree. Roger was the dominator. Nadal also followed right behind him. 2005 was about Roger and Nadal and only those two really had any impact on the season, hence, on some level, they both dominated...........However, one more than the other.

mangoes
11-21-2005, 01:07 AM
the question isnt whether roger will dominate...

Will he win another match ?????


This was merely a hiccup for Roger ;)

Carito_90
11-21-2005, 01:08 AM
Oh my god stop the drama. He just lost one match, geez.

I highly doubt it'll be the end of it.

World Beater
11-21-2005, 01:10 AM
Oh my god stop the drama. He just lost one match, geez.

I highly doubt it'll be the end of it.

there seems to be more drama off the court than on....how ironic... :o

World Beater
11-21-2005, 01:12 AM
This was merely a hiccup for Roger ;)

a hiccup while sampling the finest argentinian cuisine

Federerhingis
11-21-2005, 01:30 AM
yes but he still played a great match against gaudio in the SF so we can't say he wasn't at a good level

His volleys were the only good signs about this match. Gaudio just wasnt playing even near to his abilities, only his backhand seemed to be penetrating.
He just made Fed's life 3billion times easier with those 9 double faults. :rolleyes:

fenomeno2111
11-21-2005, 02:21 AM
Will he manage to not receive just bagels and breadsticks...???

Fedex
11-21-2005, 02:28 AM
Does this mean that Roger will start a cult now? :devil:
I hope so; I'll join!

Fedex
11-21-2005, 02:30 AM
the question isnt whether roger will dominate...

Will he win another match ?????
:lol:

Ruski
11-21-2005, 02:43 AM
It's disappointed.... but that's life!!! You can't always win!!!

All I hope is he will win French Open crown next year to at least complete a career Grand Slam!!!! Go Roger!!

And I have confidence in him that he will keep his #1 player status in year 2006!

drf716
11-21-2005, 07:47 AM
yes. because if you dominate, you will not let anyone beat you. hehe.

athie
11-21-2005, 08:48 AM
Let me think for a moment.... NO
sheesh :confused:

Black Adam
11-21-2005, 05:21 PM
Well he seems to have feet problem but as long as those feet problems don't seem to treaten his carreer he will continue winning.

jenanun
11-21-2005, 05:48 PM
Federer dominated this year, not Nadal, Nadal is not far behind Federer, but Federer was the one with the unbelivable record and 2 slams and almost a third, this is another domination by Federer, plus he made the semi-finals of the FO!!!

no.. i would say they both dominating the tennis this year..

i m not taking anything away from federer, coz he is still the no.1, still dominating, but together with nadal...
but if u look at what they both did:

fed: 2 gs, 4 tms
nadal: 1gs, 4 tms
between them, 3/4 gs, 8/9 tms
11 titles each..
very close results in fact....

u have to give credit to nadal

ok, federer has a much better record in gs than nadal
but in the end, who will remember the semi - finalist of a gs?
only the winner will be remembered in history..

so lets accept that fact that federer is no longer the sole dominator of tennis this year, but 2 people are dominating this year...

but federer result is still the better than nadal of course

DrJules
11-21-2005, 05:54 PM
no.. i would say they both dominating the tennis this year..

i m not taking anything away from federer, coz he is still the no.1, still dominating, but together with nadal...
but if u look at what they both did:

fed: 2 gs, 4 tms
nadal: 1gs, 4 tms
between them, 3/4 gs, 8/9 tms
11 titles each..
very close results in fact....

u have to give credit to nadal

ok, federer has a much better record in gs than nadal
but in the end, who will remember the semi - finalist of a gs?
only the winner will be remembered in history..

so lets accept that fact that federer is no longer the sole dominator of tennis this year, but 2 people are dominating this year...

but federer result is still the better than nadal of course

A large number of posters in another thread have decided that Nadal was the player of the year despite the evidence. Actually the last week showed that if Roger works on his volleys and fitness he could be even more dominant.

Jimnik
11-21-2005, 06:01 PM
Tennis changes very quickly. Who knows what the future will bring. Andy Murray could be world no.2 by the end of next year.

Federer might not dominate next year but it won't be because of his loss to Nalba. Obviously, his injury could be a problem but I think improvements from his rivals will be the main factor. Berdych, Gasquet and Murray have already matched up well with him and who knows what Djokovic and Monfils could do.

What if Roger got a good draw at Roland Garros and reached the final. Wouldn't it affect his grass court season? He'd either have to risk getting injured or skip Halle and go straight into Wimbledon without any preparation. Both scenarios are risky.

AgassiDomination
11-21-2005, 06:24 PM
Andy Murray could be world no.2 by the end of next year.

You're very funny :lol:

Jimnik
11-21-2005, 06:27 PM
You're very funny :lol:
Thank-you, I try. ;)

AgassiDomination
11-21-2005, 06:28 PM
Thank-you, I try. ;)

:hatoff:

Skyward
11-21-2005, 06:30 PM
What if Roger got a good draw at Roland Garros and reached the final. Wouldn't it affect his grass court season? He'd either have to risk getting injured or skip Halle and go straight into Wimbledon without any preparation. Both scenarios are risky.

Is it a big difference between reaching the SF and the F? It seems that rebound ace is more brutal to feet than clay.

Jimnik
11-21-2005, 06:41 PM
Is it a big difference between reaching the SF and the F? It seems that rebound ace is more brutal to feet than clay.
I think it's the dramatic change of surface that is brutal. This year, he had 4 days off to get ready for Halle. If he only gets 2 days, it can make all the difference. He has no time to relax because he has to travel on one day and train on the other. In fact, he did struggle a bit this year. I remember Soderling could have beaten him in the 1st round.

Skyward
11-21-2005, 06:59 PM
I think it's the dramatic change of surface that is brutal. This year, he had 4 days off to get ready for Halle. If he only gets 2 days, it can make all the difference. He has no time to relax because he has to travel on one day and train on the other. In fact, he did struggle a bit this year. I remember Soderling could have beaten him in the 1st round.

He can always go to Hertogenbosch. Well, it's not an ideal schedule. But 2 days vs 3- 4 days are not going to cause the injury.

TenHound
11-21-2005, 09:32 PM
Obviously it's the end of his Domination. If he can't win the Grand Slam, followed by the Year Ends on one leg - when everyone less injured than he was had already thrown in the towel - the Roger Age has Ended.

Sorry, Rog, it's Over for You!! :) :) :)

On the other hand, we don't know anything about his feet. They've never fully recovered from his plantar fasciitis. If this becomes a chronic situation as well, or further permanent damage was done by his refusal to withdraw...it would be heartbreaking.

Jennay
11-21-2005, 10:14 PM
:retard: Definitely not.

sergiodc
11-22-2005, 12:02 PM
Gasquet is far away from Andy Murray and Djokovic, more skilled, mentally stronger and allaround player, even Monfils is actually another level player. Murray needs more time playing ATP tournaments to learn and fit better. There's no possible comparission between them till today.
IMO the next young gun facing 2006 ATP Tour will be Juan Martín Del Potro (more than a year and half younger than Andy Murray and Djokovic) already #159, a truly record breaker comparable to past Nadal's sucess winning futures and challengers some time ago. Maybe Donald Young will be jumping too on next year.

http://stevegtennis.com/youngguns.xls


Tennis changes very quickly, agree with that





Tennis changes very quickly. Who knows what the future will bring. Andy Murray could be world no.2 by the end of next year.

Federer might not dominate next year but it won't be because of his loss to Nalba. Obviously, his injury could be a problem but I think improvements from his rivals will be the main factor. Berdych, Gasquet and Murray have already matched up well with him and who knows what Djokovic and Monfils could do.

What if Roger got a good draw at Roland Garros and reached the final. Wouldn't it affect his grass court season? He'd either have to risk getting injured or skip Halle and go straight into Wimbledon without any preparation. Both scenarios are risky.

bokehlicious
11-22-2005, 12:20 PM
IMO the next young gun facing 2006 ATP Tour will be Juan Martín Del Potro (more than a year and half younger than Andy Murray and Djokovic) already #159, a truly record breaker comparable to past Nadal's sucess


No please, not a new Nadal clay marathonian clone for next year, tennis doesn't deserve that :angel: :) :wavey:

Mrs. B
11-22-2005, 02:21 PM
he lost 4 matches this year. the end. he cant dominate anymore. Boo!

let him play Interclub next season for TC Old Boys.

:p

Sue
11-22-2005, 02:35 PM
he lost 4 matches this year. the end. he cant dominate anymore. Boo!

let him play Interclub next season for TC Old Boys.

:p

Great idea Mrs. B- but d'you think he'd get in the team ?

maggie_lee
11-22-2005, 03:11 PM
....

some of you are too caustic!!! Your comments have no rational analysis but are evil-minded curses!!!

This is just a match, for sure that roger will encounter more and more challenges in future, for sure he will lose more matches than this year with the reason that anyone has been setting him the target, but he will still be no1. of ATP!