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Gaston Gaudio's cowardly behavior.

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prima donna
11-18-2005, 10:11 PM
Obviously Guillermo Coria would take the cake as most disliked on tour, but Gaston would have to take the main prize for least respectable sportsman. Why is he always tanking ? It's so dumb, since this nobody appeared out of the clear blue skies he's walking around like he can only show up at Slams or Master Series events, remember his little tank against Monfils a few weeks ago ? He's made no effort whatsoever to hide the fact that he's a quitter, a punk and a thief; merely making appearances to tournaments to rob the tournament blind of their appearance money and then bail out if he loses the first set.

This goes against everything an athlete stands for, he is a quitter, plain and simple. Coria created this monster, if Guillermo didn't have such terrible karma, no one would even know who Gaston Gaudio is. Remember the face of Gaudio after stealing Roland Garros ? And I do mean stealing. That trophy should be in Coria's living room, play that match 60 more times and Guillermo would win 59 of them. Gaston was nearly doing leaps into the crowd, high fiving everyone at courtside and thanking them for their support.

Now, we have a punk that tanks on a daily basis and is majorly delusional, feeling like the only time he should put forth effort is at a "real" event or clay events. It's sad that he doesn't even make an effort to prove himself outside of clay.

Oh and by the way, Gaston, how was Wimbledon, the most prestigious tournament in your sport ? Oh, that's right! You didn't even bother showing up. Don't worry, you're not alone when it comes to clay courters that throw in the towel when it comes to playing on grass. Muster did it too.

All of the Argentines seem to have no quit in them and to be steady hard-workers, even Nalbandian, the laziest underachiever (of argentines) on a bad day gives more effort than Gaston. Gaudio is not only a disgrace to tennis, sportsmanship, but one to his country as well.

Him being in Shanghai shows how much of a joke this event truly has turned into with all the withdraws.

RogiFan88
11-18-2005, 10:17 PM
Gaston didn't "tank" today.

prima donna
11-18-2005, 10:19 PM
Gaston didn't "tank" today.
Who would be foolish enough to tank at an event like this ? Each match is worth $120,000, surely you would have to be on some awfully powerful drugs to throw a match and the complaint that I registered had to do with his lack of performance outside of clay, especially when it comes to events that aren't Slams or Masters events and his skipping an entire Grand Slam because it didn't suit his game. That's cowardly.

Sjengster
11-18-2005, 10:21 PM
:rolls:

If he wins against Federer tomorrow, then I dance on your grave. :cat:

Lee
11-18-2005, 10:24 PM
:rolls:

If he wins against Federer tomorrow, then I dance on your grave. :cat:

IF he wins tomorrow, can you imagine what'll happen? Federer's winning streak 1) ended by Gaudio 2) on indoor carpet :rolls:

DhammaTiger
11-18-2005, 10:25 PM
I can't believe what utter garbage some people post just to get attention.

Pheobo
11-18-2005, 10:26 PM
IF he wins tomorrow, can you imagine what'll happen? Federer's winning streak 1) ended by Gaudio 2) on indoor carpet :rolls:


Actually yes. He did just lose a 6-1 set to Coria on the same surface.

Sjengster
11-18-2005, 10:27 PM
You know, I will still root for Roger, but I couldn't imagine a better opponent to end his winning streak. The thing is, virtually everyone else on MTF can imagine about a hundred better opponents in their eyes, so the reactions will be funny, especially that of the Italian gobshite who started this thread.

Lee
11-18-2005, 10:27 PM
Actually yes. He did just lose a 6-1 set to Coria on the same surface.

Coria didn't win yesterday. End of story.

prima donna
11-18-2005, 10:28 PM
I can't believe what utter garbage some people post just to get attention.
Attention isn't something I'm deprived of, especially on this board, I can assure you this isn't a plea for it. Simply because you don't agree with what someone posts, doesn't make it garbage. :rolleyes:

lau
11-18-2005, 10:30 PM
prima donna, you`re trying hard to win the "Troll of the year" award, don´t you? :)

Sjengster
11-18-2005, 10:30 PM
But if enough people unite in condemnation of a particular thing or person, can it be objectively identified as garbage? I know that tyranny of the majority is one of the vagaries of a democracy, but I would make a special exception in your case.

Lee
11-18-2005, 10:32 PM
Coria didn't win yesterday. End of story.

or a year and a half ago in Roland Garros :p

RogiFan88
11-18-2005, 10:32 PM
You know, I will still root for Roger, but I couldn't imagine a better opponent to end his winning streak. The thing is, virtually everyone else on MTF can imagine about a hundred better opponents in their eyes, so the reactions will be funny, especially that of the Italian gobshite who started this thread.

I agree, if Rogi has to lose, better it be vs. Gaston, who has pushed him on faster surfaces before, than to some unworthy dork.

Gaston is looking quite determined. [and btw David is peaking at the right time too] ;)

prima donna
11-18-2005, 10:33 PM
prima donna, you`re trying hard to win the "Troll of the year" award, don´t you? :)
:rolleyes:

I'm a troll for pointing out the fact that I can name atleast 3 occasions where it has been obvious Gaston tanked ?

ESPN commentators must be trolls too, in that case.

I'm a troll for pointing out the fact that he skipped out of Wimbledon, because he knew his game didn't suit the surface ?

I'm a troll for calling his Roland Garros a fluke ? Funny, he didn't sniff a GS title this season. Didn't even come close.

Everything in my post was factual, enough of this "troll" non-sense, it is one thing to disagree, but labeling someone a troll because of it is senseless and not only unoriginal, but truly shows how far your imagination must stretch ... or not.

DrJules
11-18-2005, 10:33 PM
prima donna - That post is worthy of an Ivan Ljubicic tact and diplomacy award.

Sjengster
11-18-2005, 10:34 PM
prima donna, you`re trying hard to win the "Troll of the year" award, don´t you? :)

And goodness knows why he's making such an effort. If MTF users choose truthfully, his share of the vote should end up resembling the share that, say, Mugabe got in the last round of Zimbabwean elections.

Lee
11-18-2005, 10:35 PM
I agree, if Rogi has to lose, better it be vs. Gaston, who has pushed him on faster surfaces before, than to some unworthy dork.

Gaston is looking quite determined. [and btw David is peaking at the right time too] ;)

I would like to see Gaudio winning the match, just for the fun reading posts here but I really doubt. Roger may lose a set (I doubt this too) but I really can't imagine he will lose the match, unless his ankle gets worse. :tape:

DhammaTiger
11-18-2005, 10:37 PM
Attention isn't something I'm deprived of, especially on this board, I can assure you this isn't a plea for it. Simply because you don't agree with what someone posts, doesn't make it garbage. :rolleyes:
I am sorry that I called it a post. Actually it isn't a post, that term IMO should be reserved for something logical and coherent. In the case of yours it isn't. The correct term for that is a rant. Whether, you have enough attention or not, doesn't concern me. As you are entitled to rant as much as you like, I am entitled to call it garbage, after all it's my opinion.

prima donna
11-18-2005, 10:38 PM
And goodness knows why he's making such an effort. If MTF users choose truthfully, his share of the vote should end up resembling the share that, say, Mugabe got in the last round of Zimbabwean elections.
Are you going to continue to try to humor the board or address any facts ? I'm confused, are you here to bitch, pass time or speak tennis or none of the above ? Mutiple choice question here. In case you didn't notice, I don't care what you like or dislike. I am going to speak the facts and I've provided them, which is precisely why you're stuck with your tail between your legs in a futile attempt at being a virtual comic.

mangoes
11-18-2005, 10:39 PM
:rolls:

If he wins against Federer tomorrow, then I dance on your grave. :cat:


NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I like Gaudio, but Roger has to win this. ;)

RogiFan88
11-18-2005, 10:39 PM
I would like to see Gaudio winning the match, just for the fun reading posts here but I really doubt. Roger may lose a set (I doubt this too) but I really can't imagine he will lose the match, unless his ankle gets worse. :tape:

Whatever happens tomorrow, I just want a good, competitive match betw two talented guys! ;)

[I'll go for Nalby vs. Kolya. :p ]

prima donna
11-18-2005, 10:40 PM
I am sorry that I called it a post. Actually it isn't a post, that term IMO should be reserved for something logical and coherent. In the case of yours it isn't. The correct term for that is a rant. Whether, you have enough attention or not, doesn't concern me. As you are entitled to rant as much as you like, I am entitled to call it garbage, after all it's my opinion.
Do facts annoy you?
1). Gaston has tanked on mutiple occasions during the 2005 season, especially after the clay court season concluded.
2). Gaston has not sniffed a GS, that was obviously a fluke.
3). Gaston has annoyed and taunted players on tour, to name of 1, Gael Monfils the last time he decided to tank during a match.

He's a quitter and these acts are cowardly, can you refute any of this ? If so, please do!

lau
11-18-2005, 10:41 PM
I`m sorry if you felt I labeled you, but humor is the only way I can handle this kind of threads.... (Because they are actually funny) ;)

Sjengster
11-18-2005, 10:42 PM
Are you going to continue to try to humor the board or address any facts ? I'm confused, are you here to bitch, pass time or speak tennis or none of the above ? Mutiple choice question here. In case you didn't notice, I don't care what you like or dislike. I am going to speak the facts and I've provided them, which is precisely why you're stuck with your tail between your legs in a futile attempt at being a virtual comic.

In my time I have been insulted by experts. I don't rate you very highly at all.

Don't worry, until you prove that you're more than just a source of good comedy (I, a comic? You should be on the stand-up circuit!), I have every intention of reserving my tennis-based discussion for people I have an ounce of respect for.

Lee
11-18-2005, 10:43 PM
Whatever happens tomorrow, I just want a good, competitive match betw two talented guys! ;)

[I'll go for Nalby vs. Kolya. :p ]

I'll go for Nalby too! I lost interest in TMC this year after all the withdrawl and negativities but seeing the semifinal line up revives my interest.

prima donna
11-18-2005, 10:44 PM
I`m sorry if you felt I labeled you, but humor is the only way I can handle this kind of threads.... (Because they are actually funny) ;)
Hey, this thread is based on Gaston's performance and his character.

2 things that are very amusing, so I guess that by default this thread would inherit those traits.

So, I agree. Very amusing.

:)

lau
11-18-2005, 10:44 PM
BTW, a player winning a Slam title is never a fluke, because he actually won it... If you don´t think so, take a look at the players Gaudio had to beat in his way to the final.... And I can´t even comment the rest of your posts because I disagree with almost every line and it would take too much energy from me :lol:

Sjengster
11-18-2005, 10:45 PM
I'll go for Nalby too! I lost interest in TMC this year after all the withdrawl and negativities but seeing the semifinal line up revives my interest.

:yeah:

Kolya is the ball-basher of the pack, but I couldn't ask for much more from the last tournament of the year. I was just thinking a week before the event started that most of the players who would just miss out were so much more interesting than the top guys who got in... and now they've proven it to me.

RogiFan88
11-18-2005, 10:46 PM
I'll go for Nalby too! I lost interest in TMC this year after all the withdrawl and negativities but seeing the semifinal line up revives my interest.

I know, this has got to be THE craziest TMC ever! Maybe they s just have the top 12 or even 16 players go to the TMC fr now on... just in case... :p

Gaston could easily trouble Rogi tomorrow and if Rogi wins, and Nalby beats Kolya, then we all know how David can beat Rogi -- bet he w be looking forward to that one! ;)

prima donna
11-18-2005, 10:46 PM
have every intention of reserving my tennis-based discussion for people I have an ounce of respect for.
How would one go about attaining your so-called "respect", really respect isn't something that you can see or touch neither is a computer. This is a message board on the internet, your personal feelings don't matter. I'm a wonderful source of comedy, especially to uncivilized individuals that can't acknowledge the facts. I find Gaston's actions tasteless and bothersome. So I made a thread. Just to let the entire world know. Even if you didn't care, I still win because you're reading this. :)

Grinder
11-18-2005, 10:47 PM
Prima Donna's awesome, he doesn't take shit from anyone. I don't see why people should treat his opinion different from others.

DrJules
11-18-2005, 10:48 PM
BTW, a player winning a Slam title is never a fluke, because he actually won it... If you don´t think so, take a look at the players Gaudio had to beat in his way to the final.... And I can´t even comment the rest of your posts because I disagree with almost every line and it would take too much energy from me :lol:

I am still trying to work out how Coria lost that final. I still feel Coria lost it rather than Gaudio winning it.

Sjengster
11-18-2005, 10:48 PM
Prima Donna's awesome, he doesn't take shit from anyone. I don't see why people should treat his opinion different from others.

I do not object to the fact that he doesn't take shit from anyone. I object to the fact that we're expected to take constant, unceasing shit from him.

prima donna
11-18-2005, 10:48 PM
BTW, a player winning a Slam title is never a fluke, because he actually won it... If you don´t think so, take a look at the players Gaudio had to beat in his way to the final.... And I can´t even comment the rest of your posts because I disagree with almost every line and it would take too much energy from me :lol:
But, Lau, how can you dispute facts ?

He has tanked, on numerous occasions! It is proven.
He skipped Wimbledon, not because he was injured, but because he was following the lead of most "clay court specialists" --- which I would not even be willing to give him the title of.
None of my post is based upon an opinion, well, maybe 15% of it but the rest are reality. I'm sorry that you can't put personal feelings aside, bias is a cancer.

Sjengster
11-18-2005, 10:49 PM
If bias is a cancer, you're the most poisonous tumour I've ever encountered.

alfonsojose
11-18-2005, 10:52 PM
I would like Gaudio to win tomorrow. The problem would be hearing Salatino and all argies comentators masturbating for three months again, like happened after 2004 RG :rolleyes:

RogiFan88
11-18-2005, 10:52 PM
I am still trying to work out how Coria lost that final. I still feel Coria lost it rather than Gaudio winning it.

his body betrayed him at the most important match of his career -- he was not to know what w happen... he wanted it that much

Sjengster
11-18-2005, 10:53 PM
How would one go about attaining your so-called "respect", really respect isn't something that you can see or touch neither is a computer. This is a message board on the internet, your personal feelings don't matter. I'm a wonderful source of comedy, especially to uncivilized individuals that can't acknowledge the facts. I find Gaston's actions tasteless and bothersome. So I made a thread. Just to let the entire world know. Even if you didn't care, I still win because you're reading this. :)

Strange. I have respect for an awful lot of people I have met on here, but you just don't fit the bill somehow. You are the alarmist tabloid newspaper of MTF, a veritable fount of ignorance, sensation-mongering headlines and blinkered, prejudiced invective. You don't want to discuss anything with anyone, you want to grab people's attention and then do a hatchet job on easy player targets.

Lee
11-18-2005, 10:54 PM
I would like Gaudio to win tomorrow. The problem would be hearing Salatino and all argies comentators masturbating for three months again, like happened after 2004 RG :rolleyes:

:awww: I think that's your favourite subject :angel: :devil:

alfonsojose
11-18-2005, 10:54 PM
And nobody knows who is he and what he had to face to be a pro. He won a GS, period. He's sort of a male Davenport in the head department :shrug:

Lee
11-18-2005, 10:55 PM
And nobody knows who is he and what he had to face to be a pro. He won a GS, period. He's sort of a male Davenport in the head department :shrug:

:o Gaston is not even 6' tall though :p

alfonsojose
11-18-2005, 10:56 PM
:awww: I think that's your favourite subject :angel: :devil:
:p :wavey:

lau
11-18-2005, 10:57 PM
I would like Gaudio to win tomorrow. The problem would be hearing Salatino and all argies comentators masturbating for three months again, like happened after 2004 RG :rolleyes:
I agree...., specially Salatino. :rolleyes:
But I would understand it, it`s not something that happends very often... Federer losing happends as often as a tennis player winning a Slam title ;)

lau
11-18-2005, 10:57 PM
:o Gaston is not even 6' tall though :p
:lol:

prima donna
11-18-2005, 11:01 PM
Strange. I have respect for an awful lot of people I have met on here, but you just don't fit the bill somehow. You are the alarmist tabloid newspaper of MTF, a veritable fount of ignorance, sensation-mongering headlines and blinkered, prejudiced invective. You don't want to discuss anything with anyone, you want to grab people's attention and then do a hatchet job on easy player targets.
I'm bias and ignorant ? Fair enough. Let's put your theory to the test, apply it to my most recently started thread, this one.

Where's the bias ? What underlying reasoning do I have and give me an idea for why I would be prejudiced towards Gaston ? It can't be because he's playing Roger tomorrow, because I've given plenty of Fed's opponents due credit.

I want for you to prove the effectiveness of your theory, do not disappoint me, my friend. I'll be waiting.

mandoura
11-18-2005, 11:03 PM
I'll go for Nalby too! I lost interest in TMC this year after all the withdrawl and negativities but seeing the semifinal line up revives my interest.

Same here. :)

Sjengster
11-18-2005, 11:07 PM
I'm bias and ignorant ? Fair enough. Let's put your theory to the test, apply it to my most recently started thread, this one.

Where's the bias ? What underlying reasoning do I have and give me an idea for why I would be prejudiced towards Gaston ? It can't be because he's playing Roger tomorrow, because I've given plenty of Fed's opponents due credit.

I want for you to prove the effectiveness of your theory, do not disappoint me, my friend. I'll be waiting.

The very fact that you refer to Wimbledon as "the most prestigious tournament in your sport" (during this bizarre lecture you are giving to Gaudio, evidently) says enough. Newsflash, it ain't the most prestigious tournament for him by a long shot, and neither is it for many of his compatriots or other Spanish-speaking players. And I don't blame them for that, which is not to say that I devalue Wimbledon at all but strangely, I can get my head around the concept that it isn't the no. 1 event on every player's calendar.

propi
11-18-2005, 11:10 PM
He's a quitter and these acts are cowardly, can you refute any of this ? If so, please do!

Yep, that acts are at least as coward as using a board to post biased opinions :mad: :mad:

sigmagirl91
11-18-2005, 11:12 PM
You really ARE a tool, prima donna. You haven't backed up any of your Gaston-bashing antics with anything other than "he doesn' t play Wimbledon". So the fuck what!

mandoura
11-18-2005, 11:15 PM
But, Lau, how can you dispute facts ?

He has tanked, on numerous occasions! It is proven.
He skipped Wimbledon, not because he was injured, but because he was following the lead of most "clay court specialists" --- which I would not even be willing to give him the title of.
None of my post is based upon an opinion, well, maybe 15% of it but the rest are reality. I'm sorry that you can't put personal feelings aside, bias is a cancer.

I can understand your points on tanking.

However, I am not so sure about Wimbledon. By your reasoning, he could have gone to Wimbledon, tanked his match and got home with a bit of money in his pocket. ;)

mangoes
11-18-2005, 11:17 PM
Isn't the French Open the more important GS for South America?

Lee
11-18-2005, 11:20 PM
And I'm still waiting for Coria to file a police report that his RG trophy was stolen from his house. :p

prima donna
11-18-2005, 11:22 PM
The very fact that you refer to Wimbledon as "the most prestigious tournament in your sport" (during this bizarre lecture you are giving to Gaudio, evidently) says enough. Newsflash, it ain't the most prestigious tournament for him by a long shot, and neither is it for many of his compatriots or other Spanish-speaking players. And I don't blame them for that, which is not to say that I devalue Wimbledon at all but strangely, I can get my head around the concept that it isn't the no. 1 event on every player's calendar.

Wimbledon is the oldest and most prestigious tournament in tennis.

Nadal has even acknowledged as much, sure, to win Roland Garros is great, but he admits he would prefer to win Wimbledon.

Wimbledon is what tennis stands for, anyone that tries to tell you different isn't all there. He could atleast make an effort to show up, out of respect for his profession. Things that happened at Wimbledon, will be echoed for centuries. Nobody remembers anything that happened at the French Open, though I am not devaluing it as a tournament. Simply stating facts.

Wimbledon is everything that makes tennis good, tradition, class and a classical style of play. Surely, it must be least important to Gaudio on his schedule, but have a bit of gumption here, even Gaston realizes the superiority Wimbledon has over every other Slam or tournament for that matter.

DrJules
11-18-2005, 11:29 PM
Wimbledon does actually reflect the fact that the game is called lawn tennis and Wimbledon is the only major played on grass. Its my favourite because it is local. Globally I believe it receives move coverage than any event and is considered by non-lawn tennis fans to be the most prestigious. However, most in tennis consider the 4 grand slams to be of equal status

Sjengster
11-18-2005, 11:31 PM
That drip feed you have into Gaudio's mind must be malfunctioning pretty badly at the moment. What possible reason would he have to regard Wimbledon as superior to every other Slam? A notion of prestige which surely doesn't penetrate too heavily into South America compared to the English speaking world? "Nobody remembers anything that happened at the French Open, though I am not devaluing it as a tournament" is an oxymoronic statement if ever I saw one. With an emphasis on the moronic, naturally.

sigmagirl91
11-18-2005, 11:32 PM
Uh, prima donna.....one thing: Everyone will remember a GS winner, no matter where he/she won or what surface he/she won it on. That's where your reasoning falls apart. Yes, when one thinks of tennis, one thinks of Wimbledon, but that perception is largely restricted to the casual observer. The more serious fan would be acquainted with all the Slams and would realize that each carries equal weight in RANKING POINTS. When it's all said and done, RANKING POINTS are a barometer of a player's progress.

And I'll leave you with this: no GS win is a fluke. By the same logic, ToJo's AO win would be classified similarly.

cobalt60
11-18-2005, 11:34 PM
Yep, that acts are at least as coward as using a board to post biased opinions :mad: :mad:

I love your avatar btw- very appropriate for this board I must say.

prima donna
11-18-2005, 11:34 PM
That drip feed you have into Gaudio's mind must be malfunctioning pretty badly at the moment. What possible reason would he have to regard Wimbledon as superior to every other Slam? A notion of prestige which surely doesn't penetrate too heavily into South America compared to the English speaking world? "Nobody remembers anything that happened at the French Open, though I am not devaluing it as a tournament" is an oxymoronic statement if ever I saw one. With an emphasis on the moronic, naturally.
It's called common sense, anyone that plays tennis is aware of the history and importance behind Wimbledon. No one can ever hold any other Slam or tournament in a higher or even equal regard. Nobody will remember what happened at the French Open, it pales in comparison to Wimbledon. I don't really care where the guy is from, Spanish, Italian, German or Russian speaking, any nitwit can tell you which is more important.

His priority may be Roland Garros, but if he had a choice, I'm pretty sure he or anyone else would take winning Wimbledon.

prima donna
11-18-2005, 11:39 PM
Uh, prima donna.....one thing: Everyone will remember a GS winner, no matter where he/she won or what surface he/she won it on. That's where your reasoning falls apart. Yes, when one thinks of tennis, one thinks of Wimbledon, but that perception is largely restricted to the casual observer. The more serious fan would be acquainted with all the Slams and would realize that each carries equal weight in RANKING POINTS. When it's all said and done, RANKING POINTS are a barometer of a player's progress.

And I'll leave you with this: no GS win is a fluke. By the same logic, ToJo's AO win would be classified similarly.
Now there's no such thing as a fluke ? Oh my god. I have heard it all, the French Open is becoming the Mother of producing fluke titles. No other tournament has ever seen such freak victories, especially not at Wimbledon or the U.S Open.

Roddick wasn't a fluke, though he hasn't come close to repeating in NYC.
Gaudio was a fluke x 10.

You're telling me that Gaston Gaudio belongs in the same class as these guys? Too bad Coria and Gaudio aren't American, Guillermo would take him for small claims court and get what's rightfully his: 2004 Roland Garros Trophy.

Coria belongs in this class, but Gaudio? You are KIDDING me ?

1974 Björn Borg Manuel Orantes 6-7 6-0 6-1 6-1
1975 Björn Borg Guillermo Vilas 6-2 6-3 6-4
1976 Adriano Panatta Harold Solomon 6-1 6-4 4-6 7-6
1977 Guillermo Vilas Brian Gottfried 6-0 6-3 6-0
1978 Björn Borg Guillermo Vilas 6-1 6-1 6-3
1979 Björn Borg Víctor Pecci 6-3 6-1 6-7 6-4
1980 Björn Borg Vitas Gerulaitis 6-4 6-1 6-2
1981 Björn Borg Ivan Lendl 6-1 4-6 6-2 3-6 6-1
1982 Mats Wilander Guillermo Vilas 1-6 7-6 6-0 6-4
1983 Yannick Noah Mats Wilander 6-2 7-5 7-6
1984 Ivan Lendl John McEnroe 3-6 2-6 6-4 7-5 7-5
1985 Mats Wilander Ivan Lendl 3-6 6-4 6-2 6-2
1986 Ivan Lendl Mikael Pernfors 6-3 6-2 6-4
1987 Ivan Lendl Mats Wilander 7-5 6-2 3-6 7-6
1988 Mats Wilander Henri Leconte 7-5 6-2 6-1
1989 Michael Chang Stefan Edberg 6-1 3-6 4-6 6-4 6-2
1990 Andrés Gómez Andre Agassi 6-3 2-6 6-4 6-4
1991 Jim Courier Andre Agassi 3-6 6-4 2-6 6-1 6-4
1992 Jim Courier Petr Korda 7-5 6-2 6-1
1993 Sergi Bruguera Jim Courier 6-4 2-6 6-2 3-6 6-3
1994 Sergi Bruguera Alberto Berasategui 6-3 7-5 2-6 6-1
1995 Thomas Muster Michael Chang 7-5 6-2 6-4
1996 Yevgeny Kafelnikov Michael Stich 7-6 7-5 7-6
1997 Gustavo Kuerten Sergi Bruguera 6-3 6-4 6-2
1998 Carlos Moya Alex Corretja 6-3 7-5 6-3
1999 Andre Agassi Andrei Medvedev 1-6 2-6 6-4 6-3 6-4
2000 Gustavo Kuerten Magnus Norman 6-2 6-3 2-6 7-6(6)
2001 Gustavo Kuerten Alex Corretja 6-7(3) 7-5 6-2 6-0
2002 Albert Costa Juan Carlos Ferrero 6-1 6-0 4-6 6-3
2003 Juan Carlos Ferrero Martin Verkerk 6-1 6-3 6-2
2004 Gastón Gaudio Guillermo Coria 0-6 3-6 6-4 6-1 8-6
2005 Rafael Nadal Mariano Puerta 6-7(6) 6-3 6-1 7-5

squirtkb97
11-18-2005, 11:40 PM
It's called common sense, anyone that plays tennis is aware of the history and importance behind Wimbledon. No one can ever hold any other Slam or tournament in a higher or even equal regard. Nobody will remember what happened at the French Open, it pales in comparison to Wimbledon. I don't really care where the guy is from, Spanish, Italian, German or Russian speaking, any nitwit can tell you which is more important.

His priority may be Roland Garros, but if he had a choice, I'm pretty sure he or anyone else would take winning Wimbledon.

That's quite the generalization you're making there. I understand that Wimbledon has all that history and importance, but to me, the French Open is more important. I remember what happens there and not at Wimbledon.

And if Gaston had a choice between Roland Garros and Wimbledon, I think it's fairly obvious he'd choose Roland Garros. He does play one and not the other, after all.

sigmagirl91
11-18-2005, 11:41 PM
YOU say that because it's Gaston. Why not apply that to any Slam winner who doesn' t repeat? That way, you and your lame argument would make sense.

Sjengster
11-18-2005, 11:42 PM
It's called common sense, anyone that plays tennis is aware of the history and importance behind Wimbledon. No one can ever hold any other Slam or tournament in a higher or even equal regard. Nobody will remember what happened at the French Open, it pales in comparison to Wimbledon. I don't really care where the guy is from, Spanish, Italian, German or Russian speaking, any nitwit can tell you which is more important.

His priority may be Roland Garros, but if he had a choice, I'm pretty sure he or anyone else would take winning Wimbledon.

It's your common sense, not everybody's. No matter how much you try to propagate the doctrine of grass court superiority, you will always get a few dissenters who commit the crime of holding a different opinion.

That sentence that forms the second paragraph is another oxymoron, BTW.

Sjengster
11-18-2005, 11:46 PM
Interesting that according to the wisdom of prima donna, Coria would not have been a fluke winner but Gaudio is. But here's the thing: unless Coria a) finds a way through Nadal and b) sorts out his serving yips, it will be the older Argentine who is remembered for achieving greater things.

prima donna
11-18-2005, 11:47 PM
It's your common sense, not everybody's. No matter how much you try to propagrate the doctrine of grass court superiority, you will always get a few dissenters who commit the crime of holding a different opinion.

That sentence that forms the second paragraph is another oxymoron, BTW.
You see, I'm making the mistake of automatically assuming that you have even the smallest bit of common sense.

His priority is the red clay tournament that is played in Paris, because his game suits that surface and Slam the most. Not because he hates Grass or because he has a choice at rather or not he loses in England.

Gaston is a "clay-court specialist", according to many people, which is another way of saying you have no idea what the fuck you're doing on anything else unless your name is Rafael Nadal.

His priority is Roland Garros because he knows he has more of a chance at repeating there (very slight) than ever coming close to hoisting the trophy that Laver, Borg, Sampras and Federer have. :rolleyes:

prima donna
11-18-2005, 11:49 PM
That's quite the generalization you're making there. I understand that Wimbledon has all that history and importance, but to me, the French Open is more important. I remember what happens there and not at Wimbledon.

And if Gaston had a choice between Roland Garros and Wimbledon, I think it's fairly obvious he'd choose Roland Garros. He does play one and not the other, after all.
Not winning Wimbledon makes you far less important, just ask Ivan Lendl, the greatest player to ever live THAT DIDN'T WIN Wimbledon.

Pete Sampras is held by many as #1 player to ever play tennis, even if he didn't win "that tournament" played in Paris. Last I checked, Pete was a 7-time Wimbledon winner. Try winning 7 Roland Garros and no Wimbledon. See where you stake your place in Tennis history. :)

Scotso
11-18-2005, 11:50 PM
:yawn:

Sjengster
11-18-2005, 11:51 PM
You see, I'm making the mistake of automatically assuming that you have even the smallest bit of common sense.

'Tis a mistake that will never be applied to you, you need have no fear on that score.

I have never described Gaudio as a claycourt specialist, but I don't get the feeling he holds any particular liking for the surface or the tournament at Wimbledon. I don't think he loathes them with a passion either, but takes a rather apathetic stance towards the grass court season. Maybe if the calendar gets more weeks added between RG and Wimbledon and more grass tournaments added so that it becomes a surface that's significant enough for the majority of players to care about (and it isn't at the moment for a lot of them, whatever you may say about its prestige), then he will show up at SW19.

prima donna
11-18-2005, 11:54 PM
'Tis a mistake that will never be applied to you, you need have no fear on that score.

Maybe if the calendar gets more weeks added between RG and Wimbledon and more grass tournaments added so that it becomes a surface that's significant enough for the majority of players to care about (and it isn't at the moment for a lot of them, whatever you may say about its prestige), then he will show up at SW19.

Maybe if he changes his loopy strokes and learns to flatten them out a bit, takes a year off and turns his serve into a weapon, he will show up at Wimbledon. I think that would be much more appropriate and realistic. He can't play on Grass and that's that. Don't masquerade around pretending he ignores Grass because he's tired or Roland Garros is so important. He can't win on it. Period. So, he skips it, like a classless bafoon. Have some respect for the sport.

squirtkb97
11-18-2005, 11:55 PM
Not winning Wimbledon makes you far less important, just ask Ivan Lendl, the greatest player to ever live THAT DIDN'T WIN Wimbledon.

Pete Sampras is held by many as #1 player to ever play tennis, even if he didn't win "that tournament" played in Paris. Last I checked, Pete was a 7-time Wimbledon winner. Try winning 7 Roland Garros and no Wimbledon. See where you stake your place in Tennis history. :)

When did I say that winning Wimbledon wasn't important? Winning any slam is important, but as there is four of them, people are obviously going to have preferences on which is more important to them. To me, it's the French.

And I think any player that wins 7 slams, regardless of where they were won, would be highly regarded. It's difficult to win one slam, something you seem to not want to credit Gaston for doing, let alone 7.

Federerthebest
11-18-2005, 11:57 PM
Gaudio will be remembered as Johansson will be...a fluke, a reasonably-good player whose most impressive performances may largely be attributed to poor performances by other players. RG 2004 will be remembered as the year Coria lost, not the year that Gaudio won...

prima donna
11-18-2005, 11:59 PM
When did I say that winning Wimbledon wasn't important? Winning any slam is important, but as there is four of them, people are obviously going to have preferences on which is more important to them. To me, it's the French.

And I think any player that wins 7 slams, regardless of where they were won, would be highly regarded. It's difficult to win one slam, something you seem to not want to credit Gaston for doing, let alone 7.

Put simply, I think Gaston prefers Roland Garros because his game is what most suits it best.

Picking Roland Garros over Wimbledon is like "settling" in a relationship, instead of getting what you want.

You realize that you're average looking and your personality is lacking in some areas, so instead of striving for the best, you resign yourself to failure and accept what you can get, instead of trying to get your hands on the best the female or male gender has to offer.

Roland Garros is that average looking girl, Gaston realizes his loopy strokes could never get that hot babe wearing the Green, with the classy look about her, being chased down by men that look 50x better. So, instead of putting his pride on the line, he says, "no, i'll pass and accept mediocrity"

Sjengster
11-19-2005, 12:00 AM
Completely redesign his game for a surface he'll play one tournament on per year, I see. And why would he be tired after seven straight weeks of playing tournaments on European clay? (For the record, I don't think his schedule was particularly smart this year in that regard, but he obviously needs match wins for his confidence and he has the titles to show for it.)

If he did show up to play on it, as Puerta did this year, he would be soundly beaten early on and laughed at by people like you anyway. It doesn't matter what option he chooses, he'll still end up being mocked either way.

Sjengster
11-19-2005, 12:01 AM
Put simply, I think Gaston prefers Roland Garros because his game is what most suits it best.

Picking Roland Garros over Wimbledon is like "settling" in a relationship, instead of getting what you want.

You realize that you're average looking and your personality is lacking in some areas, so instead of striving for the best, you resign yourself to failure and accept what you can get, instead of trying to get your hands on the best the female or male gender has to offer.

Roland Garros is that average looking girl, Gaston realizes his loopy strokes could never get that hot babe wearing the Green, dressed in all white, being chased down by men that look 50x better. So, instead of putting his pride on the line, he says, "no, i'll pass and accept mediocrity"

:haha: :crazy: There I was worried for a moment that you were starting to get serious on me, but it's back to la-la comedy land with this one!

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 12:03 AM
Gaudio will be remembered as Johansson will be...a fluke, a reasonably-good player whose most impressive performances may largely be attributed to poor performances by other players. RG 2004 will be remembered as the year Coria lost, not the year that Gaudio won...

Being that the pundits picked Coria from the beginning to hoist the trophy, it's understandable that one would have that perception.
I think the ones who are mocking Gaudio, would also mock Puerta had he, instead of Nadal, won the FO.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 12:04 AM
If he did show up to play on it, as Puerta did this year, he would be soundly beaten early on and laughed at by people like you anyway. It doesn't matter what option he chooses, he'll still end up being mocked either way.

His game translates poorly to surfaces aside from clay, rather sad if I say so. Continue to tank and skip out major tournaments, it is excused by the slum of the tennis world.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 12:05 AM
RG 2004 will be remembered as the year Coria lost, not the year that Gaudio won...
You have said it all, paisan.

squirtkb97
11-19-2005, 12:05 AM
Put simply, I think Gaston prefers Roland Garros because his game is what most suits it best.

Picking Roland Garros over Wimbledon is like "settling" in a relationship, instead of getting what you want.

You realize that you're average looking and your personality is lacking in some areas, so instead of striving for the best, you resign yourself to failure and accept what you can get, instead of trying to get your hands on the best the female or male gender has to offer.

Roland Garros is that average looking girl, Gaston realizes his loopy strokes could never get that hot babe wearing the Green, dressed in all white, being chased down by men that look 50x better. So, instead of putting his pride on the line, he says, "no, i'll pass and accept mediocrity"

Are you that delusional that you can't understand the concept of someone considering the French Open the most important slam to them that you have to pull out this ridiculous comparision?

Obviously someone who's grown up playing on clay courts is going to have a game better suited for Roland Garros than for Wimbledon. Does that mean Gaston's settling for mediocrity? I think not. With the way the schedule is laid out now, and the length of the clay season versus the grass season, I think the French Open is far more important, and there is nothing mediocre about it. You don't like my opinion? Fine. But don't act like yours is fact.

Sjengster
11-19-2005, 12:07 AM
Being that the pundits picked Coria from the beginning to hoist the trophy, it's understandable that one would have that perception.
I think the ones who are mocking Gaudio, would also mock Puerta had he, instead of Nadal, won the FO.

The sort of people who think that anything other than the most predictable result is a crime against tennis. And yes, I'm aware that this is hypocrisy coming from a Federer fan.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 12:08 AM
His game translates poorly to surfaces aside from clay, rather sad if I say so. Continue to tank and skip out major tournaments, it is excused by the slum of the tennis world.

Apparently, his style of play is adapting well to indoors. And please don't say it's because of other players being absent with injury and whatnot. That's a cop-out and an insult. It's not his fault if the other players who qualified couldn't fulfill their commitment for various reasons.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 12:08 AM
Are you that delusional that you can't understand the concept of someone considering the French Open the most important slam to them that you have to pull out this ridiculous comparision?

Obviously someone who's grown up playing on clay courts is going to have a game better suited for Roland Garros than for Wimbledon. Does that mean Gaston's settling for mediocrity? I think not. With the way the schedule is laid out now, and the length of the clay season versus the grass season, I think the French Open is far more important, and there is nothing mediocre about it. You don't like my opinion? Fine. But don't act like yours is fact.
Nothing wrong with your opinion, I'd just be doing anyone, regardless of what they grew up on playing (BTW, Federer grew on playing on Clay) a severe injustice by assuming their intellect allowed them to completely ignore one of the biggest events in the world, for a dirt fest.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 12:09 AM
The sort of people who think that anything other than the most predictable result is a crime against tennis. And yes, I'm aware that this is hypocrisy coming from a Federer fan.

So am I, and he has yet to come up with something resembling a logical statement of fact.

Sjengster
11-19-2005, 12:10 AM
By the same logic, the AO is the friendly and approachable girl next door, while the US Open is the rather brazen, verging on trashy cheerleader. And being held in Shanghai, the TMC is obviously the exotic foreign girl.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 12:11 AM
By the same logic, the AO is the friendly and approachable girl next door, while the US Open is the rather brazen, verging on trashy cheerleader. And being held in Shanghai, the TMC is obviously the exotic foreign girl.

And further mixing our metaphors, we can call the Miami tournament the red-headed stepchild.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 12:11 AM
Apparently, his style of play is adapting well to indoors. And please don't say it's because of other players being absent with injury and whatnot. That's a cop-out and an insult. It's not his fault if the other players who qualified couldn't fulfill their commitment for various reasons.
Well, if his game translates so well Indoors: We will see how he performs tomorrow against the world #1. I'd like to see him against a player like Ivan, he's better than Roger Indoors. He has the ideal Indoor game and would trample all over Gaudio.

He stands 10 feet behind the baseline, plays like Aranxta Sanchez-Vicario and his game translates to Indoors because of a few fluke wins over other dirtballers ? How so?

Sjengster
11-19-2005, 12:13 AM
And further mixing our metaphors, we can call the Miami tournament the red-headed stepchild.

Indian Wells is the aged spinster, while Rome is the fiery, high-maintenance diva. Goodness knows what to make of Canada and Cincy, though.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 12:13 AM
So am I, and he has yet to come up with something resembling a logical statement of fact.

Gaston Gaudio has won how many Indoor tournaments ?
Gaston Gaudio has advanced how far in:
1). Australia
2). London
3). NYC

Gaston has had what type of results against Top 5 players ?

Who was the last big player he beat besides Coria ?

Just what has Gaston done to disprove my theory that his game poorly translates to other surfaces and that's 50% of the reason why he hides like a school girl, the other 50% is he's a product of the new generation of money-grubbing punks.

Jeff
11-19-2005, 12:15 AM
Wow! This thread is quite large for only starting two hours ago.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 12:17 AM
Nothing wrong with your opinion, I'd just be doing anyone, regardless of what they grew up on playing (BTW, Federer grew on playing on Clay) a severe injustice by assuming their intellect allowed them to completely ignore one of the biggest events in the world, for a dirt fest.

Breaking it down....
You believe that someone who doesn't win or play Wimbledon is a disgrace to the sport, right? So that makes Lendl, who is prominent in your signature, an abomination to tennis, right? Just following the flow of your logic here, since you seem to think your favorites are above reproach in this regard.

Secondly, the "clay-court specialist" tag is offensive. Even Gaudio understands this, which is why he does try his hand at other surfaces (with mixed results, but at least he tries). Maybe he's not ready for the grass of Wimbledon? I really can't slam the guy if he doesn't choose to play Wimbledon. For years, Wimbledon wasn't on Agassi's priority list, and he didn't get slammed for it.....and look how his career turned out.

And I must point out that there are other examples of players who have skipped Wimbledon to stick to clay only. Muster comes to mind (who would also be considered a fluke GS winner and number#1). This guy didn't play Wimbledon until late in his career.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 12:18 AM
Gaston Gaudio has won how many Indoor tournaments ?
Gaston Gaudio has advanced how far in:
1). Australia
2). London
3). NYC

Gaston has had what type of results against Top 5 players ?

Who was the last big player he beat besides Coria ?

Just what has Gaston done to disprove my theory that his game poorly translates to other surfaces and that's 50% of the reason why he hides like a school girl, the other 50% is he's a product of the new generation of money-grubbing punks.

To get to the RG title, he beat Canas, HEWITT, Nalbandian, and Coria, among others, to claim the trophy. Please, if you want to discredit Gaudio, please have your ducks lined up in a row.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 12:20 AM
And I just wonder, prima donna, why you spend so much time trashing Gaudio when you could use the same energy to support your favorite. Less stressful, I would think. If you're not a fan of his, why waste precious time and effort pointing out how flawed his scheduling and technique are? It's really a lost cause.

Merton
11-19-2005, 12:20 AM
Indian Wells is the aged spinster, while Rome is the fiery, high-maintenance diva. Goodness knows what to make of Canada and Cincy, though.

Cincy is the friendly Midwestern girl. Canada i agree, it is not obvious.

lau
11-19-2005, 12:20 AM
:sport: C´mon people, let´s leave this thread and move to the Shirtless ATP Players one :bounce: :aparty: :dance:

squirtkb97
11-19-2005, 12:21 AM
Nothing wrong with your opinion, I'd just be doing anyone, regardless of what they grew up on playing (BTW, Federer grew on playing on Clay) a severe injustice by assuming their intellect allowed them to completely ignore one of the biggest events in the world, for a dirt fest.

So instead you're going to ignore the importance of another one of the biggest events in the world, the "dirt fest" as you so nicely put it, just because you think Wimbledon is the end all, be all? It's a personal preference that you're trying to pass off as fact. If Gaston wanted to play Wimbledon, and he has played it in the past, then he would. What about all the players that hate playing on clay so much they play as little of the clay court season as possible? People have different likes, different priorities, and different opinions, so perhaps you could accept that instead of insulting someone's intellect just because you don't agree with them. And I don't care what Federer grew up playing on. He's adapted his game for other surfaces and become successful on them where Gaston hasn't because he prefers to play on clay. It's his choice.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 12:22 AM
Well, if his game translates so well Indoors: We will see how he performs tomorrow against the world #1. I'd like to see him against a player like Ivan, he's better than Roger Indoors. He has the ideal Indoor game and would trample all over Gaudio.

He stands 10 feet behind the baseline, plays like Aranxta Sanchez-Vicario and his game translates to Indoors because of a few fluke wins over other dirtballers ? How so?

He's in the semis, isn't he? And no one's saying he can beat Federer. He does have a chance based on prior meetings, which, if you bother to check the H2H, Roger's wins over him haven't been walks in the park. And geez, PD, they played on almost EVERY surface.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 12:22 AM
Breaking it down....
You believe that someone who doesn't win or play Wimbledon is a disgrace to the sport, right? So that makes Lendl, who is prominent in your signature, an abomination to tennis, right? Just following the flow of your logic here, since you seem to think your favorites are above reproach in this regard.
Lendl would be the greatest to ever pick up a racket, if he could of just won Wimbledon one time. He changed his game, he served & volleyed, he still failed time and time again. He made it to the finals, more than once. Gaudio is quite a different case, he would be fortunate to advance to the 2nd round and get to hear the sound of wine bottles being uncorked from the Royal Box.


Secondly, the "clay-court specialist" tag is offensive. Even Gaudio understands this, which is why he does try his hand at other surfaces (with mixed results, but at least he tries). Maybe he's not ready for the grass of Wimbledon? I really can't slam the guy if he doesn't choose to play Wimbledon. For years, Wimbledon wasn't on Agassi's priority list, and he didn't get slammed for it.....and look how his career turned out.

He's not even a clay-court specialist, he's an average, run of the middle clay courter that doesn't belong in the same class as Coria or Nadal. He just had a lucky run, hasn't done a thing to make me say different against any significant clay character.


And I must point out that there are other examples of players who have skipped Wimbledon to stick to clay only. Muster comes to mind (who would also be considered a fluke GS winner and number#1). This guy didn't play Wimbledon until late in his career.
I pointed out that Muster skipped Wimbledon in my first post and yes, Muster was a coward for that also. He was another dirtballer. Yawn, but! There is always a but, Gaston's name belongs nowhere near Muster's.

Merton
11-19-2005, 12:23 AM
So, according to primadona's theory Gaston gets money from tournaments and then proceeds to tank. Are we supposed to feel sympathy for the tournament directors? Why do you care? Just don't bother to watch.

PD: Are you related to Myskinalova? I can see some similarities in style.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 12:24 AM
Gaston Gaudio has won how many Indoor tournaments ?
Gaston Gaudio has advanced how far in:
1). Australia
2). London
3). NYC

Gaston has had what type of results against Top 5 players ?

Who was the last big player he beat besides Coria ?

Just what has Gaston done to disprove my theory that his game poorly translates to other surfaces and that's 50% of the reason why he hides like a school girl, the other 50% is he's a product of the new generation of money-grubbing punks.

This is one example of how dense you really are. You've even lost track of the original argument-and you started this thread. You've proven that you're a tool. Thanks for playing, dude.

Lee
11-19-2005, 12:25 AM
PD: Are you related to Myskinalova? I can see some similarities in style.

One and the same

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 12:26 AM
I pointed out that Muster skipped Wimbledon in my first post and yes, Muster was a coward for that also. He was another dirtballer. Yawn, but! There is always a but, Gaston's name belongs nowhere near Muster's.

Sorry, but I'm going to take umbrage to that statement. You see, they both won a GS apiece, so yes....Gaudio should be mentioned alongside Muster in that regard.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 12:27 AM
Are we supposed to feel sympathy for the tournament directors? Why do you care? Just don't bother to watch.


Who said anything about me caring ? I don't lose sleep over it, but that doesn't mean I won't acknowledge publically how classless such an act is.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 12:28 AM
Who said anything about me caring ? I don't lose sleep over it, but that doesn't mean I won't acknowledge publically how classless such an act is.

So? And? All we've read from you so far is a bunch of rhetorical bullshit that makes absolutely zero sense.

Sjengster
11-19-2005, 12:28 AM
So, according to primadona's theory Gaston gets money from tournaments and then proceeds to tank. Are we supposed to feel sympathy for the tournament directors? Why do you care? Just don't bother to watch.

PD: Are you related to Myskinalova? I can see some similarities in style.

A dunce by any other name would sound as thick.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 12:29 AM
:lol: Do we even want to know what the Challenger tournaments would be?

A fetus.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 12:29 AM
Sorry, but I'm going to take umbrage to that statement. You see, they both won a GS apiece, so yes....Gaudio should be mentioned alongside Muster in that regard.

What's Gaudio's longest winning streak ? Like 10 matches ?

Muster had something sick like 33 or 35 consecutive clay victories and played in a much tougher era, give me a break.

Lee
11-19-2005, 12:30 AM
A fetus.

or geezer

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 12:31 AM
What's Gaudio's longest winning streak ? Like 10 matches ?

Muster had something sick like 33 or 35 consecutive clay victories and played in a much tougher era, give me a break.

You don't get it, do you? I'm not concerned about winning streaks. The original argument was, and I repeat, is that Gaston is a coward for not playing Wimbledon. Winning streaks and whatnot aren't even points of contention in such an assertion.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 12:31 AM
What's Gaudio's longest winning streak ? Like 10 matches ?

Muster had something sick like 33 or 35 consecutive clay victories and played in a much tougher era, give me a break.

You don't get it, do you? I'm not concerned about winning streaks. The original argument was, and I repeat, that Gaston is a coward for not playing Wimbledon. Winning streaks and whatnot aren't even points of contention in such an assertion.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 12:31 AM
So? And? All we've read from you so far is a bunch of rhetorical bullshit that makes absolutely zero sense.
Don't be so emotional, everything I've said thus far is facts. If it troubles you, perhaps you should e-mail Gaston and suggest that he 1). stop tanking matches, 2). return the money he stole from numerous tournaments in appearance fee's and last but not least, 3). try actually showing up to the biggest event in your sport. atleast make an effort. don't run and hide like a little girl, even Nadal showed up and tried to play... last I checked the boy won every event he played on clay nearly and yet Gaston the journeyman can't show up ?

squirtkb97
11-19-2005, 12:34 AM
Don't be so emotional, everything I've said thus far is facts. If it troubles you, perhaps you should e-mail Gaston and suggest that he 1). stop tanking matches, 2). return the money he stole from numerous tournaments in appearance fee's and last but not least, 3). try actually showing up to the biggest event in your sport. atleast make an effort. don't run and hide like a little girl, even Nadal showed up and tried to play... last I checked the boy won every event he played on clay nearly and yet Gaston the journeyman can't show up ?

You clearly don't understand the difference between a fact and an opinion, because all you've offered up is your opinion on Gaston and what he does.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 12:34 AM
Don't be so emotional, everything I've said thus far is facts. If it troubles you, perhaps you should e-mail Gaston and suggest that he 1). stop tanking matches, 2). return the money he stole from numerous tournaments in appearance fee's and last but not least, 3). try actually showing up to the biggest event in your sport. atleast make an effort. don't run and hide like a little girl, even Nadal showed up and tried to play... last I checked the boy won every event he played on clay nearly and yet Gaston the journeyman can't show up ?

Put down the crack pipe, buddy. You don't have to get all heated about it. If this is such a priority for you, may I suggest that you email Mr. Gaudio and attach this thread? I'm sure it will get a :yawn: at least and a :haha: at most.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 12:35 AM
You don't get it, do you? I'm not concerned about winning streaks. The original argument was, and I repeat, that Gaston is a coward for not playing Wimbledon. Winning streaks and whatnot aren't even points of contention in such an assertion.
You're running in circles.

Now we're going back to Wimbledon ? You just compared Gaston to Muster, you made a serious mistake. Hey everyone, let's compare Goran Ivanisevic to Pete Sampras. :rolleyes:

They both won 1 GS, that's all that they have in common, Muster dominated the way Nadal did all clay season and triumphed at Roland Garros.

Gaston did nothing of the sort, his antics are classless, his play is one surface dimensional and he is worst of all, a quitter. Just ask Gael Monfils.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 12:36 AM
You're running in circles.

Now we're going back to Wimbledon ? You just compared Gaston to Muster, you made a serious mistake. Hey everyone, let's compare Goran Ivanisevic to Pete Sampras. :rolleyes:

They both won 1 GS, that's all that they have in common, Muster dominated the way Nadal did all clay season and triumphed at Roland Garros.

Gaston did nothing of the sort, his antics are classless, his play is one surface dimensional and he is worst of all, a quitter. Just ask Gael Monfils.

Ask Gael Monfils? Don't make me laugh.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 12:37 AM
You clearly don't understand the difference between a fact and an opinion, because all you've offered up is your opinion on Gaston and what he does.

This is what you do not understand.

I am simply stating facts.

Gaston Gaudio did not dominate 2004 clay court season the way Muster did during his run.
Muster was a favorite, Gaudio was not.
Muster won his tournament, Coria lost.
Gaston tanks matches all the time.
Gaston beat dirtballers indoors and now he has a game good for indoors, nice logic.

Anything else people are going to add ? If what I'm saying is so ridiculous, why can't you present evidence that says otherwise ? Well, you'd have to create it. Because it doesn't exist.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 12:37 AM
Ask Gael Monfils? Don't make me laugh.
Yeah, the last player Gaston tanked against. Go read up on it. :rolleyes:

soraya
11-19-2005, 12:38 AM
Wimbledon is the oldest and most prestigious tournament in tennis.

Nadal has even acknowledged as much, sure, to win Roland Garros is great, but he admits he would prefer to win Wimbledon.

Wimbledon is what tennis stands for, anyone that tries to tell you different isn't all there. He could atleast make an effort to show up, out of respect for his profession. Things that happened at Wimbledon, will be echoed for centuries. Nobody remembers anything that happened at the French Open, though I am not devaluing it as a tournament. Simply stating facts.

Wimbledon is everything that makes tennis good, tradition, class and a classical style of play. Surely, it must be least important to Gaudio on his schedule, but have a bit of gumption here, even Gaston realizes the superiority Wimbledon has over every other Slam or tournament for that matter.


Perhaps because we hear day in and day out that wimby is the most prestigious. that is called brain wash.

lau
11-19-2005, 12:38 AM
You clearly don't understand the difference between a fact and an opinion, because all you've offered up is your opinion on Gaston and what he does.
Exactly!!!

prima donna
11-19-2005, 12:41 AM
Exactly!!!
It's anything but exact when I've given numbers, figures, times, dates, drawn comparisons and just because you are a fan of the boy, you cannot confess he is merely one-dimensional in his play and classless in his demeanor.

Sjengster
11-19-2005, 12:42 AM
:lol: Do we even want to know what the Challenger tournaments would be?

Tarts with a heart, naturally. Although going back to prima donna's female analogy of Wimbledon, in light of comments from users this year about the facilities and treatment of fans at the All-England Club, I think it's more likely that Wimbledon is a haughty aristocratic lady who makes you stand through the night outside her house waiting to take her out on a date, will only allow you access to her at certain times and forces you to pay through the nose for the privilege of spending time around her, while serving you sub-standard food.

lau
11-19-2005, 12:46 AM
It's anything but exact when I've given numbers, figures, times, dates, drawn comparisons and just because you are a fan of the boy, you cannot confess he is merely one-dimensional in his play and classless in his demeanor.
I wouldn´t call myself a fan of Gaston, but if you feel like, go ahead. :) And yes, I don´t think he is "merely one-dimensional" in his tennis and I don´t think he is classless at all (in fact, he has got more class that many top players I won´t name :lol: ).

squirtkb97
11-19-2005, 12:48 AM
This is what you do not understand.

I am simply stating facts.

Gaston Gaudio did not dominate 2004 clay court season the way Muster did during his run.
Muster was a favorite, Gaudio was not.
Muster won his tournament, Coria lost.
Gaston tanks matches all the time.
Gaston beat dirtballers indoors and now he has a game good for indoors, nice logic.

Anything else people are going to add ? If what I'm saying is so ridiculous, why can't you present evidence that says otherwise ? Well, you'd have to create it. Because it doesn't exist.

Have I said that Gaston dominated the 2004 clay court season? No.
Have I said that Gaston was the favorite in the final against Coria? No.
What does Muster and Coria have to do with this anyways? I thought this was about Gaston and not playing Wimbledon.
We'll never agree about that one, because I don't think he does.
I never said anything to you about Gaston and his play indoors.

You keep changing the argument every time someone points out that you're stating your opinion of Gaston based on what tournaments he does well at and which ones he doesn't play.

josemanuel
11-19-2005, 12:51 AM
Gaston really deserves what he achieves. He´s really talented and has a great game and doesn´t depend on a certain shot. Today it was a fight and he won because he played well when he had to. Congrats!!!!
Good Luck against Rogi!!!

prima donna
11-19-2005, 12:52 AM
Have I said that Gaston dominated the 2004 clay court season? No.
Have I said that Gaston was the favorite in the final against Coria? No.
What does Muster and Coria have to do with this anyways? I thought this was about Gaston and not playing Wimbledon.
We'll never agree about that one, because I don't think he does.
I never said anything to you about Gaston and his play indoors.

You keep changing the argument every time someone points out that you're stating your opinion of Gaston based on what tournaments he does well at and which ones he doesn't play.

There's so many people refuting different things, quite frankly, I mix up your arguments. Allow me to give my lasting reflections on this topic.

Gaston was a fluke, he is nowhere in the league of Muster. He will never come close to a repeat at Roland Garros and he faded away like a forgotten memory this year. Way to defend his title, huh ?

Facts:
Gaston has tanked.
Gaston's results don't reflect that of a legitimate GS-title holder.
Gaston skips out on tournaments, simply because he cannot perform well on them. Even big ones, like Wimbledon, big was an understatement. Gigantic ones!
Opinions:
Gaston was a fluke - some may think that one whom barely has a crumb to his name, is realistically going to follow the footsteps of Borg, Muster, Sergei and any other great Clay Courter.
Gaston is classless - some may feel that it is tasteful to tank matches, take money from tournament directors and to taunt other players in the process of tanking.
Gaston can't play on grass. I guess this is an opinion, because no one really knows yet. He won't show up, so let's just speculate that maybe he bruised his thigh or something of the sort.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 12:54 AM
I wouldn´t call myself a fan of Gaston, but if you feel like, go ahead. :) And yes, I don´t think he is "merely one-dimensional" in his tennis and I don´t think he is classless at all (in fact, he has got more class that many top players I won´t name :lol: ).

What important events has Gaston won to prove he is not one-surface dimensional, excluding clay of course ?

Since when is tanking considered classy ?

It's not about what you think, it's about the reality of it! :)

lau
11-19-2005, 12:54 AM
I wouldn´t call myself a fan of Gaston , but if you feel like, go ahead. :) And yes, I don´t think he is "merely one-dimensional" in his tennis and I don´t think he is classless at all (in fact, he has got more class that many top players I won´t name :lol: ).
:scratch: I`ve been thinking about that.... and maybe I`m a Gaudio fan after all :shrug: :)
EDIT: Thanks for making me realize that :wavey:

revolution
11-19-2005, 12:57 AM
Obviously Guillermo Coria would take the cake as most disliked on tour, but Gaston would have to take the main prize for least respectable sportsman. Why is he always tanking ? It's so dumb, since this nobody appeared out of the clear blue skies he's walking around like he can only show up at Slams or Master Series events, remember his little tank against Monfils a few weeks ago ? He's made no effort whatsoever to hide the fact that he's a quitter, a punk and a thief; merely making appearances to tournaments to rob the tournament blind of their appearance money and then bail out if he loses the first set.

This goes against everything an athlete stands for, he is a quitter, plain and simple. Coria created this monster, if Guillermo didn't have such terrible karma, no one would even know who Gaston Gaudio is. Remember the face of Gaudio after stealing Roland Garros ? And I do mean stealing. That trophy should be in Coria's living room, play that match 60 more times and Guillermo would win 59 of them. Gaston was nearly doing leaps into the crowd, high fiving everyone at courtside and thanking them for their support.

Now, we have a punk that tanks on a daily basis and is majorly delusional, feeling like the only time he should put forth effort is at a "real" event or clay events. It's sad that he doesn't even make an effort to prove himself outside of clay.

Oh and by the way, Gaston, how was Wimbledon, the most prestigious tournament in your sport ? Oh, that's right! You didn't even bother showing up. Don't worry, you're not alone when it comes to clay courters that throw in the towel when it comes to playing on grass. Muster did it too.

All of the Argentines seem to have no quit in them and to be steady hard-workers, even Nalbandian, the laziest underachiever (of argentines) on a bad day gives more effort than Gaston. Gaudio is not only a disgrace to tennis, sportsmanship, but one to his country as well.

Him being in Shanghai shows how much of a joke this event truly has turned into with all the withdraws.

I've been critical of Gaudio before, but that is complete bollocks.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 12:59 AM
:scratch: I`ve been thinking about that.... and maybe I`m a Gaudio fan after all :shrug: :)
EDIT: Thanks for making me realize that :wavey:
:rolls:

soraya
11-19-2005, 12:59 AM
By the same logic, the AO is the friendly and approachable girl next door, while the US Open is the rather brazen, verging on trashy cheerleader. And being held in Shanghai, the TMC is obviously the exotic foreign girl.

lol, brilliant metaphor

squirtkb97
11-19-2005, 01:02 AM
There's so many people refuting different things, quite frankly, I mix up your arguments. Allow me to give my lasting reflections on this topic.

Gaston was a fluke, he is nowhere in the league of Muster. He will never come close to a repeat at Roland Garros and he faded away like a forgotten memory this year. Way to defend his title, huh ?

Facts:
Gaston has tanked.
Gaston's results don't reflect that of a legitimate GS-title holder.
Gaston skips out on tournaments, simply because he cannot perform well on them. Even big ones, like Wimbledon, big was an understatement. Gigantic ones!
Opinions:
Gaston was a fluke - some may think that one whom barely has a crumb to his name, is realistically going to follow the footsteps of Borg, Muster, Sergei and any other great Clay Courter.
Gaston is classless - some may feel that it is tasteful to tank matches, take money from tournament directors and to taunt other players in the process of tanking.
Gaston can't play on grass. I guess this is an opinion, because no one really knows yet. He won't show up, so let's just speculate that maybe he bruised his thigh or something of the sort.

If he's faded away like a forgotten memory this season, why are you even bothering to bring him up?

Yes, by all means, let's criticize every single player that doesn't defend a title they won the year before. Let's also overlook the fact that Gaston had a much better and more consistent year overall than he had last year. Maintaining a top-ten ranking, winning five titles, having the second most match wins on clay behind Nadal, and making the TMC semis obviously are completely meaningless.

The ATP certainly doesn't think Gaston has tanked, or they would have fined him like they did Safin at the AO a few years ago.

What exactly is a "legitimate" GS-title holder? Federer? Any less than that is unworthy? :rolleyes:

Other than Wimbledon, name one "big tournament" that Gaston didn't play this year. He played all the Masters events, and the other three slams.

You're still only stating your opinion and not facts.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 01:16 AM
Yes, by all means, let's criticize every single player that doesn't defend a title they won the year before.


Surely, this criteria is not considered too brutal being that I can count the amount of events he needed to defend on one hand.

The ATP certainly doesn't think Gaston has tanked, or they would have fined him like they did Safin at the AO a few years ago.

I'm not quite sure what the ATP fine policy is, but he probably was disciplined, just not made public. Commentators, spectators at these events and most importantly other players have accused him of it.

What exactly is a "legitimate" GS-title holder? Federer? Any less than that is unworthy? :rolleyes:
A legitimate title holder would be Hewitt or Safin, they are two prime examples.

Other than Wimbledon, name one "big tournament" that Gaston didn't play this year. He played all the Masters events, and the other three slams.
What other big events ? You mean 1 wasn't enough?

Sparko1030
11-19-2005, 01:18 AM
Poor Gaston, he wins and people still start threads like this. My goodness primadonna...find some player you like for goodness sake and spend a little time passing around some love instead lol! :lol: For a guy who tanks he sure does pretty well. I'm sure lots of players would like to have the success Gaston has had.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 01:20 AM
Poor Gaston, he wins and people still start threads like this. My goodness primadonna...find some player you like for goodness sake and spend a little time passing around some love instead lol!
I can't spread around love, it's not in my nature. Bitch. Bitch. Bitch. That is what I do and then I get called a troll, but seriously, I bitch with a foundation for it atleast.

squirtkb97
11-19-2005, 01:25 AM
Surely, this criteria is not considered too brutal being that I can count the amount of events he needed to defend on one hand.

I'm not quite sure what the ATP fine policy is, but he probably was disciplined, just not made public. Commentators, spectators at these events and most importantly other players have accused him of it.

A legitimate title holder would be Hewitt or Safin, they are two prime examples.

What other big events ? You mean 1 wasn't enough?

More assumptions and opinions without facts. Do you feel the same way about any other player that wins one tournament in a year and then fails to defend it the next?

As far as I am aware, all ATP fines are made public, just not all picked up on by the media.

That's your opinion. I think anyone who has the stamina, both physically and mentally, to outlast 127 other players to win a slam is a legitimate GS-title holder.

This is what you said:
Gaston skips out on tournaments, simply because he cannot perform well on them. Even big ones, like Wimbledon, big was an understatement. Gigantic ones!
You implied there was more than Wimbledon, and I was asking you what other "big ones" he's skipped out on. And your reasoning behind him not playing Wimbledon still remains only your opinion and not a fact.

Sparko1030
11-19-2005, 01:28 AM
I can't spread around love, it's not in my nature. Bitch. Bitch. Bitch.

Sorry about that-doesn't it tire you out after awhile?

uNIVERSE mAN
11-19-2005, 01:32 AM
:rolls:

If he wins against Federer tomorrow, then I dance on your grave. :cat:

where the F is Schalken anyway!

prima donna
11-19-2005, 01:32 AM
More assumptions and opinions without facts. Do you feel the same way about any other player that wins one tournament in a year and then fails to defend it the next?

I will show you the results of past GS winners and their results.

This is what shows a champion.

Hewitt over a 3 year period:
2001--'s-Hertogenbosch, London / Queen's Club, Sydney, Tennis Masters Cup, Tokyo, US Open; 2002--Indian Wells TMS, London / Queen's Club, San Jose, Tennis Masters Cup, Wimbledon; 2003--Indian Wells TMS, Scottsdale; 2002--Cincinnati TMS, Paris TMS; 2003--Los Angeles;

This outlines the time that Hewitt won his first slam to his last.

Gaudio, Mr. Clay:
2004--Roland Garros; 2005--Buenos Aires, Estoril, Gstaad, Kitzbuhel, Vina del Mar FINALIST (8):2004--Barcelona, Bastad, Kitzbuhel, Stuttgart; 2005--Stuttgart

His resume looks elementary compared to that of a true GS winner, winning major events on Grass, Hard and even Indoors. I'm just stating the obvious, Gaudio's glove doesn't fit, so you must acquit.

Sjengster
11-19-2005, 01:36 AM
where the F is Schalken anyway!

In injury/Challenger hell, I believe.

squirtkb97
11-19-2005, 01:38 AM
I will show you the results of past GS winners and their results.

This is what shows a champion.

Hewitt over a 3 year period:
2001--'s-Hertogenbosch, London / Queen's Club, Sydney, Tennis Masters Cup, Tokyo, US Open; 2002--Indian Wells TMS, London / Queen's Club, San Jose, Tennis Masters Cup, Wimbledon; 2003--Indian Wells TMS, Scottsdale; 2002--Cincinnati TMS, Paris TMS; 2003--Los Angeles;

This outlines the time that Hewitt won his first slam to his last.

Gaudio, Mr. Clay:
2004--Roland Garros; 2005--Buenos Aires, Estoril, Gstaad, Kitzbuhel, Vina del Mar FINALIST (8):2004--Barcelona, Bastad, Kitzbuhel, Stuttgart; 2005--Stuttgart

His resume looks elementary compared to that of a true GS winner, winning major events on Grass, Hard and even Indoors. I'm just stating the obvious, Gaudio's glove doesn't fit, so you must acquit.

And yet again, that is nothing more than your opinion. Gaston won Roland Garros and is a GS-title holder. And that's about the only fact about him that you've mentioned in this entire thread. Everything else is the opinion that you've drawn after looking at things that are factual. I'm sorry you don't like that, but get over it. Bashing him won't change things.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 01:40 AM
And yet again, that is nothing more than your opinion. Gaston won Roland Garros and is a GS-title holder. And that's about the only fact that you've mentioned in this entire thread. Everything else is the opinion that you've drawn after looking at things that are factual. I'm sorry you don't like that, but get over it. Bashing him won't change things.
Bashing is the wrong word and would be majorly beneath me. Critiquing ? Yes. That would be more like it. I am merely making observations and not afraid to state them, because I don't mind confrontation.

squirtkb97
11-19-2005, 01:42 AM
Bashing is the wrong word and would be majorly beneath me. Critiquing ? Yes. That would be more like it. I am merely making observations and not afraid to state them, because I don't mind confrontation.

Well, after reading all of your posts, you could have fooled me. I wouldn't consider insulting someone's intellect because they might hold Roland Garros in higher regard than Wimbledon and calling them classless to be critiquing.

RogiFan88
11-19-2005, 02:06 AM
Indian Wells is the aged spinster, while Rome is the fiery, high-maintenance diva. Goodness knows what to make of Canada and Cincy, though.

Canada is the unknown bilingual girl who apologizes when her neighbours step on her toes accidentally.

Lee
11-19-2005, 02:08 AM
Canada is the unknown bilingual girl who apologizes when her neighbours step on her toes accidentally.

:rolls:

RogiFan88
11-19-2005, 02:29 AM
:haha:

Does she also have a soft spot for hockey? :angel:

Soft spot, nothing! This is when she sheds her unassuming demeanour and lets loose, wearing war paint and oversized and over-priced official hockey jerseys, swilling beer in jumbo plastic cups, chowing down on nachos, peanuts, and burgers, swearing at the referee, and chanting "ED-DIE! ED-DIE! ED-DIE!". :o

RogiFan88
11-19-2005, 02:33 AM
And for those in a hurry, here's the Reader's Digest condensed version of prima donna's posts in this thread:

'I hate Gaudio--he's a tanker and plays on dirt.' :nerner:

Carito_90
11-19-2005, 02:41 AM
Hmmm lets see.

It's called common sense, anyone that plays tennis is aware of the history and importance behind Wimbledon. No one can ever hold any other Slam or tournament in a higher or even equal regard. Nobody will remember what happened at the French Open, it pales in comparison to Wimbledon. I don't really care where the guy is from, Spanish, Italian, German or Russian speaking, any nitwit can tell you which is more important.

His priority may be Roland Garros, but if he had a choice, I'm pretty sure he or anyone else would take winning Wimbledon.

Kid, let's see if you can get this through your head. Here in Argentina, no one gives a damn about Wimbledon. Not a single bit. They're all focused in Roland Garros because it's where the Argentineans usually do well. Why? Because people here grow up playing on clay. Just like Andy is good on fast courts because he grew up playing on hard courts. Just like David is good on hard court and grass because he grew up playing on hard courts.
Some people like Federer and Nadal have something else that makes them play well in all surfaces (except grass when it comes to Rafael).

Ok, point one? Check.

Gaudio is not only a disgrace to tennis, sportsmanship, but one to his country as well.

I will not accept you speaking in behalf of my country, especially when you seem to know absolutely nothing about it.
Gaudio has gone through tough times in 2003 after DC's semifinals, but he gained his reputation back when he won the French Open. Most people adore him here. I am very proud of having an Argentinean win such an important tournament as Roland Garros, either it's Coria, Gaudio, Nalbandian or whatever.
So, at the very least, get your facts straight, because Gaston is certainly not a disgrease for our country and no one here thinks that.


Wether Gaston skips important tournaments and why is none of your buisness. Sure, you can go find out why it is, which is probably a kind of injury, but make assumptions like that, and state them as if they were obvious facts? Excuse me when I say that's going too far.
As for money? Come on, Gaston grew up in a middle-upper class family, he has plenty of money from tournament, endorsments, and his girlfriend is quite an important actress here and I bet she makes plenty of money as well. I really don't think money is that much of a big issue for the Gaudio family or himself.

A legitimate title holder would be Hewitt or Safin, they are two prime examples.

Hewitt lost in first round the following year he won Wimbledon. Marat probably won't even go to the AO next year.
Yeah, great way of holding a title.


OH! I have a last question. Will you start a thread about how Marat doesn't like playing in THE WIMBLEDON? And how he tanks on porpuse? :)


Dude, you're a complete riot. Seriously. :lol:

prima donna
11-19-2005, 02:49 AM
OH! I have a last question. Will you start a thread about how Marat doesn't like playing in THE WIMBLEDON? And how he tanks on porpuse? :)

Atleast Marat bothers to show up and no, I won't. Most tanking is done on purpose, no ? If it weren't on purpose, it'd be called plain LOSING. :rolleyes:

Action Jackson
11-19-2005, 02:55 AM
prima donna, you walk on water and how could this ever be doubted.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 02:56 AM
And for those in a hurry, here's the Reader's Digest condensed version of prima donna's posts in this thread:

'I hate Gaudio--he's a tanker and plays on dirt.' :nerner:

:worship:

Carito_90
11-19-2005, 02:58 AM
Atleast Marat bothers to show up and no, I won't. Most tanking is done on purpose, no ? If it weren't on purpose, it'd be called plain LOSING. :rolleyes:

But Marat disses THE WIMBLEDON. He says people are not polite and he doesn't like it! How dare he, huh.

Well, the thing is he tanked. And in Wimbledon! How rude. :(

Oh and I absolutely love how you responded to all my other stuff ;) Thanks for letting me know I am right.

athina7
11-19-2005, 03:40 AM
I don't understand why someone would create a thread like this on the day when Gaudio wun his match against Gonzalez and reached the semis of TMC :confused: Its not like he tanked his match, so why bring it up?

tangerine_dream
11-19-2005, 03:46 AM
And I just wonder, prima donna, why you spend so much time trashing Gaudio when you could use the same energy to support your favorite.
Because prima donna is a typical Fedtard troll who believes that she must tear somebody else down in order to lift Roger up.

Denaon
11-19-2005, 03:55 AM
I would like Gaudio to win tomorrow. The problem would be hearing Salatino and all argies comentators masturbating for three months again, like happened after 2004 RG :rolleyes:
:lol: Wouldn't you do that in the same case??? I'm still doing it now ...:devil:

_pyromatic
11-19-2005, 04:18 AM
Bashing is the wrong word and would be majorly beneath me. Critiquing ? Yes. That would be more like it. I am merely making observations and not afraid to state them, because I don't mind confrontation.

You have an overly high opinion of yourself :rolleyes: Your posts have been full of biased observations and extreme generalisations. They're not balanced critiques in any form

Like Athina said, why make a thread about Gaston tanking the day he fights off match points and comes back to win a match in the Masters? It gives us a very nice example of how he is a quality player :)

Dirk
11-19-2005, 04:25 AM
Donna Gaston did great today. Be happy for him and his fans. :)

soraya
11-19-2005, 06:35 AM
Canada is the unknown bilingual girl who apologizes when her neighbours step on her toes accidentally.


LOL, love that RogiFan. don't overdue though, Canada has a special place in my heart.

Deivid23
11-19-2005, 07:34 AM
11 pages :rolleyes:

Are you guys taking the same drugs myskinalova eats for breakfast? :shrug:

Action Jackson
11-19-2005, 07:40 AM
11 pages :rolleyes:

Are you guys taking the same drugs myskinalova eats for breakfast? :shrug:

Only 4 on my settings, but myskinalova walks on water and can turn water into wine.

Carito_90
11-19-2005, 12:07 PM
:lol: Wouldn't you do that in the same case??? I'm still doing it now ...:devil:


Nothing to do with the post but...

Me mata tu av :haha:

DhammaTiger
11-19-2005, 12:11 PM
Primadonna, Are you claiming that Gaston never played Wimbledon? Or just castigating him for skipping it this year. If you, however, are claiming he never played Wimbledon Then you better get your facts straight before subjecting us to your rant. Fact is that GG has played every year since 1999 except, 2004 and 2005.Whether he made it past the first round or not is irrelevant, but it demolishes your case that he is a coward for skipping the so-called most prestigious tournament in the tennis year. I leave everyone on this board to draw their own conclusions.

RogiFan88
11-19-2005, 12:13 PM
LOL, love that RogiFan. don't overdue though, Canada has a special place in my heart.

Oh and she also likes self-deprecating humour. ;)

Kip
11-19-2005, 12:39 PM
:rolleyes:

I'm a troll for pointing out the fact that I can name atleast 3 occasions where it has been obvious Gaston tanked ?

ESPN commentators must be trolls too, in that case.

I'm a troll for pointing out the fact that he skipped out of Wimbledon, because he knew his game didn't suit the surface ?

I'm a troll for calling his Roland Garros a fluke ? Funny, he didn't sniff a GS title this season. Didn't even come close.

Everything in my post was factual, enough of this "troll" non-sense, it is one thing to disagree, but labeling someone a troll because of it is senseless and not only unoriginal, but truly shows how far your imagination must stretch ... or not.

And what exactly have
you done lately? :rolleyes:

It was a difficult surface for Gaston who
barely survived yesterday and had little
chance going into it today to beat Roger
anyways.

So, his performance was
not all that surprising.

And yes, you
are a troll! :cool: :p

vamos argentina1
11-19-2005, 01:12 PM
Prima donna...who the f**k said that wimbledon is "the most prestigious"?

just because it is the oldest tournament? well bad luck...grass is only 4 weeks in the year...and most people hate...including safin that great serves and would do good on it...so why the heck is it prestigious?

for british its the most prestigious...but every spanish and latin american likes roland garros more...so is is the most prestigious? everone can like one more than the others...and noone has the right to call any tournament the most prestigious

4 grand slams..they all give the same points...so they r equally prestigious

and u r the coward...gaudio doesnt need your permission to skip "the most prestigious"

and all your friend prima donna that skip RG r also cowards?

just sit down quiet and enjoy argentinean tennis...VAMOS DAVID !!!!

Raquel
11-19-2005, 01:22 PM
I was talking about Gaudio's tanking in a thread at the time he lost to Monfils and whatever the reasons for it, it is something that is becoming more and more associated with him. I don't think he is the fluke winner prima donna is saying he is, but in among the posts there is some truth in some of the things said. I understand that not all players have the street fighter mentality, but it's still strange to see a top 10 player going through the motions against an American college champion wildcard in the first round of the US Open the way Gaudio did this year. Obviously he didn't come to Wimbledon but he did go to New York and lost the way he did and you're left thinking this is a Grand Slam, why aren't you trying? You just automatically assume the top 10 players especially come to Grand Slams and aim to win the whole thing even if it is not the surface that suits them most, but that definitely was not his attitude that day.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 01:24 PM
Prima donna...who the f**k said that wimbledon is "the most prestigious"?

just because it is the oldest tournament? well bad luck...grass is only 4 weeks in the year...and most people hate...including safin that great serves and would do good on it...so why the heck is it prestigious?

for british its the most prestigious...but every spanish and latin american likes roland garros more...so is is the most prestigious? everone can like one more than the others...and noone has the right to call any tournament the most prestigious

4 grand slams..they all give the same points...so they r equally prestigious

and u r the coward...gaudio doesnt need your permission to skip "the most prestigious"

and all your friend prima donna that skip RG r also cowards?

just sit down quiet and enjoy argentinean tennis...VAMOS DAVID !!!!

And as a side note, most Americans think the US Open is the most prestigious. Not everyone thinks like you, pd.

adee-gee
11-19-2005, 01:26 PM
And as a side note, most Americans think the US Open is the most prestigious. Not everyone thinks like you, pd.
In fact, I don't think anyone thinks like prima donna :o

*Ljubica*
11-19-2005, 01:44 PM
In fact, I don't think anyone thinks like prima donna :o

And that is a blessed relief :rolleyes: Too many people thinking like him/her could be very scary!

adee-gee
11-19-2005, 01:49 PM
And that is a blessed relief :rolleyes: Too many people thinking like him/her could be very scary!
:lol: absolutely.

shotgun
11-19-2005, 01:55 PM
And as a side note, most Americans think the US Open is the most prestigious. Not everyone thinks like you, pd.

I think US Open is indeed the most prestigious one. We don't see players willing to skip this tournament, as we usually see in the other 3 Grand Slam tournaments.

Federerthebest
11-19-2005, 01:56 PM
Wimbledon is by far the most prestigious grand-slam tournament. Any claims to the contrary are simply justifications by fans of claycourt players whom are not good enough to win on the grass. Roland Garros could perhaps once claim to have a high level of prestige, but this has been tarnished in recent years. If there is a 'mickey-mouse' grand slam tournament, Roland Garros is it. When you've got second-rate players like Costa becoming grand-slam champions there is something seriously wrong.

fenomeno2111
11-19-2005, 02:10 PM
I think US Open is indeed the most prestigious one. We don't see players willing to skip this tournament, as we usually see in the other 3 Grand Slam tournaments.
Not trying to insult you or anything, but one of the reasons is that Hard courts aren't as alien to some guys as grass or clay is to some players. Im sure every player during their junior years played in a hard court enough times to know a surface, and is kind of in the middle clay courters can play on them as well as fast surface players.

And Prima Donna shut up... first go ahead win a GS and finish inside the TOP TEN and then you can talk otherwise SHUT UP!
Have you ever picked up a tennis racquet in your life?

NYCtennisfan
11-19-2005, 02:11 PM
Originally Posted by sigmagirl91
And as a side note, most Americans think the US Open is the most prestigious. Not everyone thinks like you, pd.

I think American players and perhaps the media think the USO is more "important" because it is on US soil and the affect it has on US tennis as a whole, but as far as prestigious goes, I don't think I have ever seen anything in the press here that says the USO is more prestigious.

NYCtennisfan
11-19-2005, 02:13 PM
Wimbledon is by far the most prestigious grand-slam tournament.

I don't really see how this can be debated. Best of 5 matches all the way through the tournament every year through a 128 player field. This can't be said about the other slams.

nobama
11-19-2005, 02:17 PM
If Wimbledon isn't the most prestigious, how come Rafa said that's the GS he most wants to win?

lau
11-19-2005, 02:20 PM
Saying that a Slam is "the most prestigious" is subjective. For a lot of people Wimbledon is it not "the most prestigious". Deal with it..., it`s not that hard. :p ;)

josemanuel
11-19-2005, 02:23 PM
Wimbledon is by far the most prestigious grand-slam tournament. Any claims to the contrary are simply justifications by fans of claycourt players whom are not good enough to win on the grass. Roland Garros could perhaps once claim to have a high level of prestige, but this has been tarnished in recent years. If there is a 'mickey-mouse' grand slam tournament, Roland Garros is it. When you've got second-rate players like Costa becoming grand-slam champions there is something seriously wrong.

Like Ivanisevic, for example, who won Wimbledon at the end of his career, almost retired and playing a horrible tennis. Wimbledon is not the most prestigious GS.
I love clay but I agree that the best is the US Open. It´s the most exciting one, nobody withdraws faking injuries and usually has the better level.

*Ljubica*
11-19-2005, 02:24 PM
Wimbledon has tradition on it's side - but why people think it is the most prestigious is beyond me :rolleyes: I was born in England and live within walking distance of the Wimbledon Club, but that doesn't make me blind to the fact that Wimbledon is pretty unimportant to those born in South America or Spain as Carito so rightly said earlier in this thread. I'm sure if you had asked Guillermo Coria or Carlos Moya what their greatest ambition was when they were growing up they would have said it was to win Roland Garros, - and I'm equally sure that Andy Roddick would have put his main ambition as winning the US Open. At the end of the day, in my opinion, all the Slams are equal - it just depends where you come from and what your farvourite surface is, as to a player or fan's own personal preference.

DrJules
11-19-2005, 02:34 PM
Each grand slam provides a different test; Australian Open - rebound ace, French Open - clay, Wimbledon - grass, US Open - cement. The sign of an exceptional player is one who can win on all 4 surfaces - achieved only by Andre Agassi. Bjorn Borg - cement, John McEnroe - clay, Lendl - grass and Sampras - clay were all determined to achieve this goal and could not.

Roger Federer would probably prefer to win the French Open to Wimbledon in 2006 given the choice to join the ultimate tennis group - the player who can win the biggest titles on all 4 surfaces.

shotgun
11-19-2005, 02:35 PM
Not trying to insult you or anything, but one of the reasons is that Hard courts aren't as alien to some guys as grass or clay is to some players. Im sure every player during their junior years played in a hard court enough times to know a surface, and is kind of in the middle clay courters can play on them as well as fast surface players.

The Aussie Open is played on hard courts as well, and historically how many players used to completely ignore it and start their seasons in February? I think that most people here are being subjective when defining the most prestigious one. It's obvious that RG is the most prestigious for clay-courters, and Wimbly for serve-and-volleyers. But, generally speaking, which is the Slam that all players are willing to play, regardless of their surface speciality?

prima donna
11-19-2005, 03:48 PM
Wimbledon just happens to be so prestigious, that it plays by it's own rules. That's right, she doesn't answer to anyone. It's the only GS or tournament for that matter permitted by the ATP/WTA to have specialized seeding. Does any other tournament have give a dinner to the winners ? Not just any dinner, exclusive. Refined. Everything. Wimbledon is what dreams are made of. I just don't understand, regardless of where you come from how you can forget the great champions that have walked on the same grounds, sweated and played just as hard, if not harder. Wimbledon is ancient and some people are treating it like it's "just another slam", that's depressing; not only speaks volumes for the state of tennis, but it shows which direction grass play is going.

Carito_90
11-19-2005, 03:48 PM
If Wimbledon isn't the most prestigious, how come Rafa said that's the GS he most wants to win?

Since when Rafa's word is law? :lol:

Sure, some people think it's the most prestigious, but others certainly don't. Depends on the player's opinion :shrug:

prima donna
11-19-2005, 03:51 PM
Since when Rafa's word is law? :lol:

Sure, some people think it's the most prestigious, but others certainly don't. Depends on the player's opinion :shrug:
Rafa is the best there is on clay right now, atleast for the time being; clearly, if the true Roland Garros champion says it's the most prestigious than it gives you a general idea of where your priorities should be.

Carito_90
11-19-2005, 03:53 PM
Wimbledon just happens to be so prestigious, that it plays by it's own rules. That's right, she doesn't answer to anyone. It's the only GS or tournament for that matter permitted by the ATP/WTA to have specialized seeding. Does any other tournament have give a dinner to the winners ? Not just any dinner, exclusive. Refined. Everything. Wimbledon is what dreams are made of. I just don't understand, regardless of where you come from how you can forget the great champions that have walked on the same grounds, sweated and played just as hard, if not harder. Wimbledon is ancient and some people are treating it like it's "just another slam", that's depressing; not only speaks volumes for the state of tennis, but it shows which direction grass play is going.

Well, I'm sorry to break it to you but, grass is neither the most popular, nor the most used, nor the most liked surface in the world anymore.

I am sorry to be the one telling you that we're not in the 70's or 80's anymore. We're in 2005 where the hard court tournaments are the ones that are worth the most.

And I am also sorry to tell you that even if you keep going no one will agree with what you said since, if you still haven't noticed, no one does.



Actually, I'm not sorry about anything I just said :lol:

Carito_90
11-19-2005, 03:54 PM
Rafa is the best there is on clay right now, atleast for the time being; clearly, if the true Roland Garros champion says it's the most prestigious than it gives you a general idea of where your priorities should be.


Get this through your head: OPINIONS EXSIST.

*Ljubica*
11-19-2005, 03:55 PM
Wimbledon just happens to be so prestigious, that it plays by it's own rules. That's right, she doesn't answer to anyone. It's the only GS or tournament for that matter permitted by the ATP/WTA to have specialized seeding. Does any other tournament have give a dinner to the winners ? Not just any dinner, exclusive. Refined. Everything. Wimbledon is what dreams are made of. I just don't understand, regardless of where you come from how you can forget the great champions that have walked on the same grounds, sweated and played just as hard, if not harder. Wimbledon is ancient and some people are treating it like it's "just another slam", that's depressing; not only speaks volumes for the state of tennis, but it shows which direction grass play is going.

Wimbledon has the worst facilities for players of all the Grand Slams...............and as for playing by it's own rules - so did Saddam Hussain, but it didn't necessarily make him right did it :angel: I personally prefer to call Wimbledon's behaviour in this regard arrogance, conceit, or even bad manners - and why should it be considered better just because of it's age?

adee-gee
11-19-2005, 03:56 PM
prima donna :worship:

adee-gee
11-19-2005, 03:57 PM
Just in case that gets lost in smilie translation, it was a sarcastic worship :p

prima donna
11-19-2005, 03:59 PM
grass is neither the most popular, nor the most used, nor the most liked surface in the world anymore.
Very true, Hard Courts and Indoor plays has become the trend now. All for the better making Wimbledon a rarity, a symbol of what tennis once was and just adding to the glory of Wimbledon, one of the rare tournaments left that is played on Grass.

I am sorry to be the one telling you that we're not in the 70's or 80's anymore.
What does being in the 70's or 80's have to do with the prestige of Wimbledon? Does that suddenly take away from it ? I appreciate the past, present and future.

And I am also sorry to tell you that even if you keep going no one will agree with what you said since, if you still haven't noticed, no one does.
There's a small percentage of people on this board that agree with many of the issues that I've raised, that is nothing new. I have no interest in supporters or anything of that sort. I didn't address the rest of your original post, because you come off as angry and hostile.

I'm not losing sleep that you don't like what issues I've raised, don't blame me for the reality. You can't make facts up.

*Ljubica*
11-19-2005, 04:02 PM
Just in case that gets lost in smilie translation, it was a sarcastic worship :p

I'm glad you clarified that - I was beginning to worry about you :eek:

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 04:04 PM
I don't really see how this can be debated. Best of 5 matches all the way through the tournament every year through a 128 player field. This can't be said about the other slams.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's like that for the other slams too.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 04:04 PM
Wimbledon has the worst facilities for players of all the Grand Slams...............and as for playing by it's own rules - so did Saddam Hussain
So, I'm curious ... who would play the role of Saddam ? You would not have the audacity to surely imply that the culprit is one from the Royal box ?

I personally prefer to call Wimbledon's behaviour in this regard arrogance, conceit, or even bad manners - and why should it be considered better just because of it's age?
Wimbledon is what tennis once was, a country club sport, enjoyed by the upper class and we have the pleasure for 2 weeks ( a little more if the weather is quite damp ) of revisiting those times.

They have all the reason in the world to be arrogant or conceited, it is after all the best, the oldest and the most important people attend. Sorry, the NYC celebrities do not compare to the Royal Box.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 04:05 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's like that for the other slams too.
You can't see the sarcasm ? :rolleyes:

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 04:07 PM
You can't see the sarcasm ? :rolleyes:

There was no hint of sarcasm anywhere in that post.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 04:07 PM
So, I'm curious ... who would play the role of Saddam ? You would not have the audacity to surely imply that the culprit is one from the Royal box ?


Wimbledon is what tennis once was, a country club sport, enjoyed by the upper class and we have the pleasure for 2 weeks ( a little more if the weather is quite damp ) of revisiting those times.

They have all the reason in the world to be arrogant or conceited, it is after all the best, the oldest and the most important people attend. Sorry, the NYC celebrities do not compare to the Royal Box.

If you want nostalgia, then might I point you to the "Blast from the Past" section?

prima donna
11-19-2005, 04:09 PM
There was no hint of sarcasm anywhere in that post.
The first sentence gives it away, NYCTennisFan is far more kind to you people than I am. A statement like, " I don't see how this is debateable", is ludicrous, because anything is up for debate. As if that weren't a big enough hint, it's followed by a fact that can also be applied to 3 other slams. It's called irony!

*Ljubica*
11-19-2005, 04:18 PM
So, I'm curious ... who would play the role of Saddam ? You would not have the audacity to surely imply that the culprit is one from the Royal box ?


Wimbledon is what tennis once was, a country club sport, enjoyed by the upper class and we have the pleasure for 2 weeks ( a little more if the weather is quite damp ) of revisiting those times.

They have all the reason in the world to be arrogant or conceited, it is after all the best, the oldest and the most important people attend. Sorry, the NYC celebrities do not compare to the Royal Box.

Where have I ever said that I loved the "celebrity" culture at NYC? In fact I have often been accused of being "anti-American" on this Board because I hate all the commercialism and the "celebrity culture" at the US Open! But the fact remains that being the oldest doesn't necessarily mean being the best - if that was the case then we in Britain would still be sending 10-year- children up chimneys to clean them and women wouldn't have the vote. Life moves on you know - and it helps if we can move with it sometimes. As for the Saddam Hussein character - well any of the old members of the AELTC or the Wimbledon Committee would be well suited to that role.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 04:21 PM
But the fact remains that being the oldest doesn't necessarily mean being the best - if that was the case then we in Britain would still be sending 10-year- children up chimneys to clean them and women wouldn't have the vote. Life moves on you know - and it helps if we can move with it sometimes. As for the Saddam Hussein character - well any of the old members of the AELTC or the Wimbledon Committee would be well suited to that role.
Benedict Arnold.

Carito_90
11-19-2005, 04:27 PM
Very true, Hard Courts and Indoor plays has become the trend now. All for the better making Wimbledon a rarity, a symbol of what tennis once was and just adding to the glory of Wimbledon, one of the rare tournaments left that is played on Grass.

Of course it does. Hard courts and even clay tournaments are starting to become way more important than Wimbledon and grass.
Thing is, players have preferences. All GS give the same points, some may give more money, some less, but in the end that's not an issue for them, at least not for the top ones.
I can name plenty of players who would rather win Roland Garros than Wimbledon. You have to understand not every single one thinks Wimbledon is the most prestigious tournament in the world for god's sake.

What does being in the 70's or 80's have to do with the prestige of Wimbledon? Does that suddenly take away from it ? I appreciate the past, present and future.

As far as I know, in the 70-80's , Wimbledon was far more prestigious than it is now.
It has already been taken away, if you haven't noticed.

There's a small percentage of people on this board that agree with many of the issues that I've raised, that is nothing new. I have no interest in supporters or anything of that sort. I didn't address the rest of your original post, because you come off as angry and hostile.

Where? I really can't see them.
If you're looking for polite, nice and fair people, GM might not be the place for you. Trust me.

I'm not losing sleep that you don't like what issues I've raised, don't blame me for the reality. You can't make facts up.

It's ok, some day you'll understand reality does not equal your opinion :)


I love posters that don't realise they're being made fun of :lol: This guy reminds me of this other one that started the thread about Roddick... something with T... oh boy I had fun in that one :lol:
Oh yeah well, good luck finding someone who agrees with you buddy :lol:

prima donna
11-19-2005, 04:30 PM
I love posters that don't realise they're being made fun of :lol:

You're taking jabs at me and your English is similar to a rusty old wench covered in dust ? I could have had my way with you long ago, but I don't see any point in picking on someone that evidently speaks English as a 2nd or 3rd language. It'd just be wrong.

Carito_90
11-19-2005, 04:34 PM
You're taking jabs at me and your English is similar to a rusty old wench covered in dust ? I could have had my way with you long ago, but I don't see any point in picking on someone that evidently speaks English as a 2nd or 3rd language. It'd just be wrong.

You know what's even funnier?

I, having English and my second language, am able to realise you are absolutely, completely, and utterly being mocked by others whereas you, apparently having english as your first language, can't. :)

I would post Rosie's rep here but... I don't wanna brag ;)

*Ljubica*
11-19-2005, 04:37 PM
You're taking jabs at me and your English is similar to a rusty old wench covered in dust ? I could have had my way with you long ago, but I don't see any point in picking on someone that evidently speaks English as a 2nd or 3rd language. It'd just be wrong.

I don't know what your first language is Prima Donna - but Carito writes English better than most people who were born and raised in an English-speaking country. She is lucid, intelligent and witty and lays her points out clearly - seems if you can't beat her in a tennis-based argument you're beginning to make personal attacks - time for me to :bolt: out of here I think.

Btw - Carito - feel free to post my Rep :hug: - but I think we are wasting our time with this idiot - time for me to get some food I think!

prima donna
11-19-2005, 04:38 PM
You know what's even funnier?

I, having English and my second language, am able to realise you are absolutely, completely, and utterly being mocked by others whereas you, apparently having english as your first language, can't. :)

I would post Rosie's rep here but... I don't wanna brag ;)

You're not looking at the source of this rhetoric, people with signatures that have Gaudio all over them or something pertaining to the "superiority" of clay over grass praising you for somehow muttering enough words into a speak-and-spell microphone to formulate a sentence in English on MTF is not my concern. What does it matter to me what your preference is ? Clay is a 3rd world surface and should have been gone long ago, but then lots of people would not have a career.

Carito_90
11-19-2005, 04:43 PM
I don't know what your first language is Prima Donna - but Carito writes English better than most people who were born and raised in an English-speaking country. She is lucid, intelligent and witty and lays her points out clearly - seems if you can't beat her in a tennis-based argument you're beginning to make personal attacks - time for me to :bolt: out of here I think.

:hug:


You're not looking at the source of this rhetoric, people with signatures that have Gaudio all over them or something pertaining to the "superiority" of clay over grass praising you for somehow muttering enough words into a speak-and-spell microphone to formulate a sentence in English on MTF is not my concern. What does it matter to me what your preference is ? Clay is a 3rd world surface and should have been gone long ago, but then lots of people would not have a career.

Too bad it's not. Someday you'll get over that fact.

Oh and just for the record, I love Wimbledon. None of the Argentineans are my favourite player, Roddick is, Gaudio is not even close to being one of my favourites.
But I think it's a matter of opinions wether Wimbledon is the most prestigious and important or not. Which is what I, and many others, have been trying to get through your head since the very beginning of this thread.

lau
11-19-2005, 04:44 PM
You're not looking at the source of this rhetoric, people with signatures that have Gaudio all over them or something pertaining to the "superiority" of clay over grass praising you for somehow muttering enough words into a speak-and-spell microphone to formulate a sentence in English on MTF is not my concern. What does it matter to me what your preference is ? Clay is a 3rd world surface and should have been gone long ago, but then lots of people would not have a career.
So you finally said it! :wavey: troll
BTW, grass is a elitist surface and should gave been gone long ago :p :lol:

Carito_90
11-19-2005, 04:47 PM
So you finally said it! :wavey: troll
BTW, grass is a elitist surface and should gave been gone long ago :p :lol:

:lol: :lol:

Yeah, too bad it's grass the surface that's actually fading away, right? :p

lau
11-19-2005, 04:48 PM
And don´t worry, Caro... prima donna made me discover in this thread I`m a Gaudio fan, so, deep down in your heart you know you like the kid ;) :lol:

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2005, 04:49 PM
All this talk of Wimbledon almost made me throw up in my mouth.

Carito_90
11-19-2005, 04:50 PM
I love him Lau, he's made my afternoon so much more entretaining :lol:


Becca :haha: Gross though.

Tennis Fool
11-19-2005, 05:24 PM
Weird...This starts out as a thread about how Gaudio has a tendency to tank. He is double-bageled by Federer, and the talk shifts to what is the best Slam, while the other thread everyone bitches about Gaudio tanking :scratch:

Carito_90
11-19-2005, 05:26 PM
Ah, the twists of life. ;)

LeeHesh
11-19-2005, 05:29 PM
You're not looking at the source of this rhetoric, people with signatures that have Gaudio all over them or something pertaining to the "superiority" of clay over grass praising you for somehow muttering enough words into a speak-and-spell microphone to formulate a sentence in English on MTF is not my concern. What does it matter to me what your preference is ? Clay is a 3rd world surface and should have been gone long ago, but then lots of people would not have a career.

Wow, insulting someone for not having perfect English. That's so...sad.
BTW, maybe clay is a 3rd world surface, but since most the fans are from the 3rd world, guess what? Clay will be around long after the cows have taken over the grounds in Ingerland.

Oh, by the way, English is my fourth language, just in case you felt like insulting me.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 05:30 PM
I have a feeling that English is not prima donna's first language, either. He/she/it threw that in to confuse people.

prima donna
11-19-2005, 06:23 PM
Roger Federer defeats Gaston Gaudio, 6-0, 6-0

Nice effort. I just thought that it would be appropriate for this thread to end on that note.

lau
11-19-2005, 06:27 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/lalaurita/smiles/bostezo.gif


You took all this time to post that??!!! Whatever....

ae wowww
11-19-2005, 06:27 PM
a quitter, a punk and a thief;

:lol: Seems you really are a prima donna.... GO GASTON!

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 06:36 PM
a quitter, a punk and a thief;

OMG!!!! Why don't you just call him an asshole and be done with it.

almouchie
11-19-2005, 06:45 PM
why does every1 dislike Coria? few examples if u may

prima donna
11-19-2005, 06:46 PM
OMG!!!! Why don't you just call him an asshole and be done with it.
That's not how I operate, sweetheart.

soraya
11-19-2005, 07:05 PM
Wimbledon has the worst facilities for players of all the Grand Slams...............and as for playing by it's own rules - so did Saddam Hussain, but it didn't necessarily make him right did it :angel: I personally prefer to call Wimbledon's behaviour in this regard arrogance, conceit, or even bad manners - and why should it be considered better just because of it's age?


Very well put Rosie. :bigclap:

Betty
11-19-2005, 07:12 PM
one special Italian's man here :p
sei sempre così polemico P.D.?

ae wowww
11-19-2005, 07:37 PM
:lol: Rosie just hates Wimbledon! Stupid slut... It is by no means worse than any of the other Grand Slams for player facilities. All the guys I have spoken to love it!!

Betty
11-19-2005, 07:40 PM
coz, Rose is a lucky girl, she went often to Wimbledon....:lol:

Julio1974
11-19-2005, 07:41 PM
:lol: Rosie just hates Wimbledon! Stupid slut!

can you explain me how the first sentence relaets to the second one?

prima donna
11-19-2005, 07:42 PM
one special Italian's man here :p
sei sempre così polemico P.D.?
i non voglio causare problemi su questa cosa, è solo che le persone sono molto sensibili riguardo i loro sentimenti. E' bello incontrare un altro italiano qui, ma il tuo avatar non è molto attraente.

DhammaTiger
11-19-2005, 07:42 PM
I don't really see how this can be debated. Best of 5 matches all the way through the tournament every year through a 128 player field. This can't be said about the other slams.
I am sorry but you are mistaken, all the slams play best of 5 sets and have a 128 players draw over 2 weeks. All of them follow the same format and are no different in terms of points earned.

DrJules
11-19-2005, 07:49 PM
:lol: Rosie just hates Wimbledon! Stupid slut... It is by no means worse than any of the other Grand Slams for player facilities. All the guys I have spoken to love it!!

Do you really need to insult other posters. :devil:

DhammaTiger
11-19-2005, 07:50 PM
Wimbledon has the worst facilities for players of all the Grand Slams...............and as for playing by it's own rules - so did Saddam Hussain, but it didn't necessarily make him right did it :angel: I personally prefer to call Wimbledon's behaviour in this regard arrogance, conceit, or even bad manners - and why should it be considered better just because of it's age?
Great post :worship:

ae wowww
11-19-2005, 07:51 PM
I don't understand the comment about relating sentences? I was stating this is why she criticized Wimbledon, because she does not like it. I then stated what I knew/felt about Wimbledon. e.g. more near to the truth.

Julio1974
11-19-2005, 07:52 PM
i non voglio causare problemi su questa cosa, è solo che le persone sono molto sensibili riguardo i loro sentimenti. E' bello incontrare un altro italiano qui, ma il tuo avatar non è molto attraente.

you don't want to cause trouble? At least, be sincere, you love provoking !!

Julio1974
11-19-2005, 07:54 PM
I don't understand the comment about relating sentences? I was stating this is why she criticized Wimbledon, because she does not like it. I then stated what I knew/felt about Wimbledon. e.g. more near to the truth.

She does not like Wimbledon = She is a slut

I don't like the US Open. What am I?

ae wowww
11-19-2005, 07:55 PM
From BBC Sport: The defending champion broke three times in the first set as a nervy Gaudio served seven double-faults, hitting a forehand long to lose the set after 27 minutes.

I thought I saw somewhere "10 double faults"?

ae wowww
11-19-2005, 07:59 PM
She does not like Wimbledon = She is a slut

I don't like the US Open. What am I?

:lol: No not at all. I did not say this is why she is a slut. She dislikes something, so choses to criticize it unecessarily. I dislike the manner she posts in, and is offensive towards a number of things.

*Ljubica*
11-19-2005, 08:09 PM
Do you really need to insult other posters. :devil:

Thanks for the support DrJules - but little Master ae wowww often insults me :rolleyes:and sends me BadReps saying "I hate you"! I would actually be more worried if he said nice things about me!!! Thanks anyway!!

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2005, 08:10 PM
can you explain me how the first sentence relaets to the second one?

Heh. I was sort of wondering how exactly Rosie had qualified as a slut myself.

nobama
11-19-2005, 08:12 PM
I am sorry but you are mistaken, all the slams play best of 5 sets and have a 128 players draw over 2 weeks. All of them follow the same format and are no different in terms of points earned.Maybe she meant Wimbledon was always this way whereas other slams were different in the past? :confused:

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2005, 08:15 PM
She does not like Wimbledon = She is a slut

I don't like the US Open. What am I?
A gold digger.

ae wowww
11-19-2005, 08:15 PM
Thanks for the support DrJules - but little Master ae wowww often insults me :rolleyes:and sends me BadReps saying "I hate you"! I would actually be more worried if he said nice things about me!!! Thanks anyway!!

:lol: Very, very untrue :D!

lau
11-19-2005, 08:30 PM
i non voglio causare problemi su questa cosa, è solo che le persone sono molto sensibili riguardo i loro sentimenti. E' bello incontrare un altro italiano qui, ma il tuo avatar non è molto attraente.

You're not looking at the source of this rhetoric, people with signatures that have Gaudio all over them or something pertaining to the "superiority" of clay over grass praising you for somehow muttering enough words into a speak-and-spell microphone to formulate a sentence in English on MTF is not my concern. What does it matter to me what your preference is ? Clay is a 3rd world surface and should have been gone long ago, but then lots of people would not have a career.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 09:07 PM
:lol: Rosie just hates Wimbledon! Stupid slut... It is by no means worse than any of the other Grand Slams for player facilities. All the guys I have spoken to love it!!

If she's a slut, then you're the pimp of this joint.

lau
11-19-2005, 09:11 PM
:lol: Rosie just hates Wimbledon! Stupid slut... It is by no means worse than any of the other Grand Slams for player facilities. All the guys I have spoken to love it!!

Marat Safin
- Do you still have a tricky relationship with Wimbledon?

- I do not like this tournament. One of the reasons - a totally disastrous sportsmen treatment. Here’s an example. We get 20 pounds for lunch. I have a coach and a masseuse and one portion of the most uneatable spaghetti costs 12 pounds, a portion of tasteless strawberries with cream from a sachet costs 5 pounds, coffee – another 5. The rest of the food is horrible – fish and chips everywhere and hamburgers. I can pay myself of course. What’s really unappealing is disrespect. How can you give such a treatment to people, who waste tons of health and strength earning tons of money for the organisers? Wimbledon’s profit alone is around 60 milliom pounds!

- Maybe you don’t like Wimbledon due to the surface as well?

- You can get used to grass. In 2001 I was in the quarterfinals, I played really well this year and would have got further than two rounds if it wasn’t for the knee. In Halle I almost beat Federer in the final on grass. It is another thing that it is very hard for me to switch from clay to grass, I don’t have time to get used to it. But the surface has nothing to do with it. Only for supporters Wimbledon is traditions and promotion but Wimbledon for players is horrible treatment.

Carito_90
11-19-2005, 09:51 PM
Well, I have to say, Marat IS a manwhore. :lol:

BlackSilver
11-19-2005, 10:28 PM
Miami, The fifth and only true Grand Slam, is >>>>>> than Wimbledon


Clay will be around long after the cows have taken over the grounds in Ingerland.


:haha: Thanks for saving this thread.

revolution
11-19-2005, 10:36 PM
:lol: Rosie just hates Wimbledon! Stupid slut... It is by no means worse than any of the other Grand Slams for player facilities. All the guys I have spoken to love it!!

Sorry Andrew, that's not nice at all mate.

She hates Wimbledon, I love grass, but I don't love Wimbledon.

It's too upper class.

Rosie's great though, don't diss her, one of the most loyal fans on MTF! :worship:

revolution
11-19-2005, 10:39 PM
All the Slams are equal in my opinion.

Everyone knows I adore grass court tennis, but the fact is, its Slam is not the best. It isn't modern, it's too in the past, and too much snobbery.

I'd much rather visit the AO, and they should swap surfaces... it'd be lovely :)

DrJules
11-19-2005, 10:43 PM
All the Slams are equal in my opinion.

Everyone knows I adore grass court tennis, but the fact is, its Slam is not the best. It isn't modern, it's too in the past, and too much snobbery.

I'd much rather visit the AO, and they should swap surfaces... it'd be lovely :)


Rebound Ace actually seem to reward the most complete players and provide more exciting matches than the other grand slams.

Galaxystorm
11-19-2005, 10:50 PM
Rebound Ace actually seem to reward the most complete players and provide more exciting matches than the other grand slams.

Also provides exciting sunstrokes :tape:

NYCtennisfan
11-19-2005, 11:15 PM
I am sorry but you are mistaken, all the slams play best of 5 sets and have a 128 players draw over 2 weeks. All of them follow the same format and are no different in terms of points earned.

Now yes, the past no. The AO in some years had a companion AO II, and in many years had a field of only 64 players. There were years when byes were given to the top players and a lot of matches in the early rounds were best of 3.

vamos argentina1
11-20-2005, 01:36 AM
prima donna is such an ignorant we shouldnt answer him

he keeps boiling in his own juice...being so depressed noone cares about wimbledon

americans like us open..all the other top 10 like roland garros more..only federer mught like wimbledon...

but who cares, wimbledon is the silliest of all with the seedings etc, and everyone will keep skipping it...

allez roland garros...vamos australian open...go us open...erase wimbledon, grass is for cows as marat the great said

ExpectedWinner
11-20-2005, 01:46 AM
prima donna is such an ignorant

Based on your post, you are not qualified to judge.

.erase wimbledon, grass is for cows as marat the great said

Marat did not say that.

shotgun
11-20-2005, 01:50 AM
americans like us open..all the other top 10 like roland garros more..only federer mught like wimbledon...

Yeah, Hewitt and Ljubicic love Roland Garros. :inlove:

YoursTruly
11-20-2005, 01:51 AM
It was not cowardly behaviour. I think Gaston was just being a mixture of nervousness, inferiority, fear and being realistic, but I think it must have been much more to him because of the result that had happened. Remember all those re-said lines from commentators like McEnroe like "Some of these men are probably showing up on the court not believing that they can beat a Pete Sampras, Agassi, Roger, etc."
But good thing Gaston did not lose ungraciously (like some unclassy people on the WTA) because he admitted to many things and gave so much credit to the opponent. I hope he will recover from this and will be able to really give good matches against Roger in the future.