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R. Federer def. Ljubicic (Round Robin) 6-4 2-6 7-6(4)

R.Federer
11-15-2005, 01:27 PM
Allez!

Very high quality, enjoyable match. Both players played well, Roge was excellent in set 1, ivan in set 2. Roge served for the match at 5-4, got broken (lack of match play? nerves?)
But came back strong in the TB!!!! :yeah:

R.Federer
11-15-2005, 01:28 PM
To come back after 6 week layoff, with not 100% ankle injury, and face the inform ivan.... WOW
Lack of match play, what was that at 5-4 GRRRR :mad: !
But all is well SUPER

prima donna
11-15-2005, 01:28 PM
Now that I've completely ruined my manicure, congratulations Roger.

Federerthebest
11-15-2005, 01:29 PM
Hail to the king :worship:

R.Federer
11-15-2005, 01:29 PM
Now that I've completely ruined my manicure, congratulations Roger.
Finally a worthwhile cause for ruining manicure! ;)

artlinkletter
11-15-2005, 01:29 PM
Now that I've completely ruined my manicure, congratulations Roger.

Aren't you a man? Perhaps your one of those metrosexuals yeah?

Jim Jones
11-15-2005, 01:30 PM
Actually Federer said that he was physically fit. The real battle was a mental one. I hope Federer manages to beat Muster's record of consecutive wins. We will see.

martinatreue
11-15-2005, 01:30 PM
To come back after 6 week layoff, with not 100% ankle injury, and face the inform ivan.... WOW
Lack of match play, what was that at 5-4 GRRRR :mad: !
But all is well SUPER


what was that at 5-4? well that was not having played in several weeks and being rusty a bit.

what was that in the tiebreaks when he came up with aces and forehand squash shots and backhands down the line? that was being roger federer :angel: :worship:

mishar
11-15-2005, 01:30 PM
Rogelio! Da Champ! You make me happy. :worship:

ys
11-15-2005, 01:30 PM
I never doubted this outcome.. Ljubicic is a habitual choker. He would always miss when it is needed.. :lol:

Dirk
11-15-2005, 01:31 PM
Hail to the king and may he dispatch his opponets with far more ease.

bokehlicious
11-15-2005, 01:31 PM
Well done Roger !!

prima donna
11-15-2005, 01:31 PM
Aren't you a man? Perhaps your one of those metrosexuals yeah?
That's one way of putting it, paisano :)

mandoura
11-15-2005, 01:32 PM
To come back after 6 week layoff, with not 100% ankle injury, and face the inform ivan.... WOW
Lack of match play, what was that at 5-4 GRRRR :mad: !
But all is well SUPER

:worship: Rogelio.

I am really happy. For the first time in a long time I was in doubt at 5-4 and a bit in the breaker but once again he makes my day and what a great day this is. :bounce:

artlinkletter
11-15-2005, 01:33 PM
That's one way of putting it, paisano :)
Oh, you swing the other way I'm assuming

chrison
11-15-2005, 01:33 PM
match statistic:
http://www.candyfan.com/bbs/UploadFile/20051115213229.gif
If Ivan didn't make so many double faults,he may win this match.~~

prima donna
11-15-2005, 01:34 PM
Oh, you swing the other way I'm assuming
Hahaha, I knew that I should say metrosexual does not necessary indicate homosexual. Not the slightest bit. I just enjoy looking good, definitely not a finocchio. :o

amierin
11-15-2005, 01:34 PM
Ljubo made him fight. Good showing for Ljubo.

MariaV
11-15-2005, 01:34 PM
Oh phew!!!! All's well that ends well. :D
Glad that he made your day Mandoura! :hug:

seven
11-15-2005, 01:34 PM
I never doubted this outcome.. Ljubicic is a habitual choker. He would always miss when it is needed.. :lol:

Damn right :smash:
This is sooo boring guys. The MC is a joke. Federer can play as shitty as he can. the other guys will always fail :rolleyes: :smash: :zzz:

Jim Jones
11-15-2005, 01:34 PM
That's one way of putting it, paisano :)
why what's the real deal, do you like to be feminine, like women's clothes etc..

Smasher
11-15-2005, 01:34 PM
Great match, one of the best I've seen for a while :bowdown:

chrison
11-15-2005, 01:35 PM
http://www.candyfan.com/bbs/UploadFile/20051115213321.gif

asotgod
11-15-2005, 01:35 PM
Average match, IMO. Neither played well. Seen both play much, much better than this. Say about 50% from both as far as I am concerned. Just close scores but quite a number of mental mistakes on both sides; Roger on some breakpoints, forehands and volleys, Ivan on some forehands and point set ups. The match was way too casual as if nothing was at stake and then a serve dominated tiebreak. Guess both players are tired because of the season.

Roger needs more match play though. When serving for the match, all his first serves disappeared, just one in at 5-4. Roger really needs to stop being complacent and lazy on volleys. He comes into them too casually. This has nothing to do with just coming back from a layoff. He has been doing that all year. I thought that was what he got Roche for. Not noticing any improvement IMO. His serves also seem much slower this year than the last. Ivan needs to believe in himself a tad bit more. He deserves to be among the top guys and with believe, should be here to stay.

Good luck to both guys the rest of the tournament. A suspense-filled match somewhat!

R.Federer
11-15-2005, 01:35 PM
Damn right :smash:
Federer can play as shitty as he can. the other guys will always fail :rolleyes: :smash: :zzz:

You are kidding me? Did you watch the match? There was no "shitty play", from either player
ROge played super, ivan also

Goonergal
11-15-2005, 01:37 PM
Aw, Ljubo :sad: Great fight, but just a crucial miss near the end of the TB :sad: Congrats Roger.

Puschkin
11-15-2005, 01:37 PM
Oh phew!!!! All's well that ends well. :D
Glad that he made your day Mandoura! :hug:
he made mine, too :wavey:

mishar
11-15-2005, 01:38 PM
My God! It's just a manicure. LOL

Hard to imagine Fed will lose a match here now. Even if he faces Ljubo or David in the final, his level will keep going up I believe.

artlinkletter
11-15-2005, 01:38 PM
Hahaha, I knew that I should say metrosexual does not necessary indicate homosexual. Not the slightest bit. I just enjoy looking good, definitely not a finocchio. :o

I've noticed a lot of Italian guys in North America can be considered metrosexuals.

R.Federer
11-15-2005, 01:39 PM
My God! It's just a manicure. LOL

Hard to imagine Fed will lose a match here now. Even if he faces Ljubo or David in the final, his level will keep going up I believe.

I expect ivan or nikolai in the final against Roge

Is it guaranteed now that Roge goes to the Semi Final, or he must defeat coria?

prima donna
11-15-2005, 01:39 PM
why what's the real deal, do you like to be feminine, like women's clothes etc..
No real deal, I just don't particulary consider myself a "metrosexual", but sure I share some of the same tendencies. It's just not a word that I'd use to describe myself. It's not such an odd thing for a male to get a manicure is it ? Not in Italy or NYC atleast.

croat123
11-15-2005, 01:40 PM
ivan :sad: after such a comeback too... got unlucky on that first point in the tb with the netcord, then missed the bh by about a centimeter and then he really should have approached cross-court on mp :( oh well, just rest up for the next match

ys
11-15-2005, 01:40 PM
You are kidding me? Did you watch the match? There was no "shitty play", from either player
ROge played super, ivan also

Oh, come on.. When the decisive point is won like that .. Federer with his squash shot knew that all he needed is to give Iva a couple of extra shots and he would eventually miss an open court.. which he did.. Ljubicic does not have much of a game.. really. Roger as tentative as he played, as indecisive as he played, serving as poor as he served, missing as many volleys as he did, mishitting so many shots, still won..

PaulieM
11-15-2005, 01:40 PM
phew that was a good match, congrats rogi even though i almost died at several points. good fight from ivan, really picked it up after the first set. good luck to both guys in their next match. :)

Galaxystorm
11-15-2005, 01:42 PM
The key of the tie break has been when the score was 4-4 . Ljubicic was domninating the ninth point after a very deep forehand and when he had almost the point won, hit a very risky backhand down-the-line that was out . It wasn't necessary to risk as he has done

Ljubicic isn't a specialist playing tie breaks and he has shown it again today . In his career has won the 47% of tie breaks played although he's a big server

blosson
11-15-2005, 01:42 PM
Great match, fantastic shots. Both players deserved to win but once again Roger had that little bit of edge to take the match. Ljubicic deserves his place as a top player after this one.

mishar
11-15-2005, 01:43 PM
Rog is def. in the semis. I"m not sure how the rules work if he's def. going to finish #1, but since he will def. beat Coria, he'll finish #1.
He could play Gonzo, which would be not an easy match, but I think very winnable.
I assume Davydenko will come in first in his group, and I think he would lose against Ljubo and Nalby.
Probably the most interesting contest left is Thursday night between Ivan and David. Ivan definitely the favorite, but I wouldn't count out David.

Jim Jones
11-15-2005, 01:43 PM
No real deal, I just don't particulary consider myself a "metrosexual", but sure I share some of the same tendencies. It's just not a word that I'd use to describe myself. It's not such an odd thing for a male to get a manicure is it ? Not in Italy or NYC atleast.
Oh ok. I have nothing against metrosexuals though I find all these labels a little ridiculous. By the way I like that term, finocchio. Is Pinochio finnochio? :lol:

artlinkletter
11-15-2005, 01:45 PM
Is this match worth watching when my sports channel plays it in a few hours? Or should I just head on to class?

Peta Pan
11-15-2005, 01:45 PM
Well, I enjoyed the match (except the result) and was glued to the whole match, despite wanting to turn it off after the first set!

In the end though, I was just so proud of Ivan for fighting back firstly from a near double break in the 3rd and then to break back as well. If only his backhand in the tiebreak would have gone in it could all have been so different!

Anyway, great play by both guys and well I go away from the match liking Ivan even more than I did before :D

R.Federer
11-15-2005, 01:46 PM
Oh, come on.. When the decisive point is won like that .. Federer with his squash shot knew that all he needed is to give Iva a couple of extra shots and he would eventually miss an open court.. which he did.. Ljubicic does not have much of a game.. really. Roger as tentative as he played, as indecisive as he played, serving as poor as he served, missing as many volleys as he did, mishitting so many shots, still won..
No I don't know... it was not perfect, but it was very good play. They both miss some shots, but also played very good shots
this is a match of one person who was quite lame 2 weeks ago, and another person who has spent a lot of energy on the courts until 2 weeks ago.
I definitely expected much less quality, and I think everyone who was following it on the OOP and scores board agrees, that there was very good the quality :shrug:

ys
11-15-2005, 01:46 PM
Is this match worth watching when my sports channel plays it in a few hours?

Hardly worth, as any big match with Ljubicic.. You always know who will win.. Or rather who will lose.. :lol:

mangoes
11-15-2005, 01:48 PM
:banana: Roger :banana:

I missed parts of the match on my way to work, I can't wait to see the Encore at noon.

prima donna
11-15-2005, 01:48 PM
Oh ok. I have nothing against metrosexuals though I find all these labels a little ridiculous. By the way I like that term, finocchio. Is Pinochio finnochio? :lol:
Haha, finocchio is italian slang for gay. :angel:

LLeytonRules
11-15-2005, 01:48 PM
Great effort by Ivan but that has to be disconcerning for him, he does all he can and falls short.Roger was Roger, always plays the big points well, always clutch.

I still think that tying Johnie Mac is a big accomplishment for him.

R.Federer
11-15-2005, 01:49 PM
Roger was Roger, always plays the big points well, always clutch..
All, except the 3 MPs and some big BPs ;)

Corey Feldman
11-15-2005, 01:50 PM
In MC Hammer tune
:singer: you cant touch Rog
You cant touch Rog
:singer:

LLeytonRules
11-15-2005, 01:52 PM
Who does Roger play next?Is it the winner of the Coria-Nalbandian match?

MariaV
11-15-2005, 01:52 PM
In MC Hammer tune
:singer: you cant touch Rog
You cant touch Rog
:singer:
You know I cannot rep you!!!! :worship: :worship: :worship: :yeah:

ys
11-15-2005, 01:52 PM
I still think that tying Johnie Mac is a big accomplishment for him.

True, but I still think that Mac's achievement would be higher if a tiebreaker is needed. He did that without playing Australian.. And he made it to RG finals and he lost there to one of the best players of the decade, not to some moonballer with very little game.

BlackSilver
11-15-2005, 01:52 PM
In the end, the stronger mind winned.

R.Federer
11-15-2005, 01:55 PM
Who does Roger play next?Is it the winner of the Coria-Nalbandian match?
he plays coria
I think round robin means all players play all players
firs tthe two winners play against each other, the two defeated ones play against each other (nalbandian-coria) and then they exchange so that everyone played everyone

Then, the two with best records go into semi final
So it seems that Roge is in a good position because he has won both his matches so far. Everyone else has lost one match

seven
11-15-2005, 01:55 PM
You are kidding me? Did you watch the match? There was no "shitty play", from either player
ROge played super, ivan also

No, didn´t see, no broadcast here. But if Roger everytime roger had close matches against Ivan, he played a bit "shitty" ;)
In Rotterdam they played a very tight match this year. Federer played awfully, Ljubo could´ve beaten him, but he completely failed in that 3rd set tiebreak, always the same :rolleyes:
Not only against Federer that happened to him :unsure:

BlackSilver
11-15-2005, 01:56 PM
All, except the 3 MPs and some big BPs ;)

He probably couldn't do anything in most of these points.

mandoura
11-15-2005, 01:57 PM
Oh phew!!!! All's well that ends well. :D
Glad that he made your day Mandoura! :hug:

:hug: Maria. Are you the sweetest girl on earth or what? I bet you are :kiss:.

Yes, Rogelio made me very happy. And Ivan was very good too. I don't think he choked. I think we badly need a definition for that word. :D

LLeytonRules
11-15-2005, 01:57 PM
Hey ys, are u telling it that this record dont mean squat in this era?U are nuts if u dont think it does, especially with all the techhnology, what Federer is doing now tops what Mac did back then.

lucashg
11-15-2005, 01:58 PM
I agree that it was an average match.

Ljubicic's serve wasn't effective in the first set, which allowed Roger to play his baseline shots much like he wanted and quite obviously he dominated the rallies. In the second, Ivan was a bit better, especially on serve, but those breaks happened mostly because of Roger's poor play. Gosh, the first game he was broken was just ridiculous.

Third was competitive, but after Roger's break, Ivan seemed lethargic for the next 3 ones and only woke up because Roger's first serve retired to save itself for the tie-break. At least that, really. :o

It's understandable Roger is still lacking matchplay and confidence, he's getting some nerves and is showing occasional mental lapses, but as he plays, that will slowly fade away. Ivan could have played much better, and he could have won, although the match was never really in his hands.

I hope Roger can win his matches with far more ease and consistence on his best game, Coria unfortunately shouldn't be much of a threat, but Gonzalez will be dangerous in the SF (I believe it's gonna be him). I know their H2H, but still. Good luck!

ys
11-15-2005, 01:59 PM
Hey ys, are u telling it that this record dont mean squat in this era?U are nuts if u dont think it does, especially with all the techhnology, what Federer is doing now tops what Mac did back then.

It is a great achievement.. Yet to me there is not slightest doubt.. Mac-84 beats Fed-2005..

R.Federer
11-15-2005, 01:59 PM
True, but I still think that Mac's achievement would be higher if a tiebreaker is needed. He did that without playing Australian.. And he made it to RG finals and he lost there to one of the best players of the decade, not to some moonballer with very little game.
Roge also lost to a very good (best?) clay courter there is this year in RG, not in finale okay but in the semi finales
And Roge's other 3 losses, 2 he had MPs. Did Johny mac have MPs, or he just got beat?

LLeytonRules
11-15-2005, 02:00 PM
What makes u so sure of that, dont get me wrong, Mac was a great player but Fed would beat Mac, just my opinion.

R.Federer
11-15-2005, 02:02 PM
It is a great achievement.. Yet to me there is not slightest doubt.. Mac-84 beats Fed-2005..
Well that is fine, everyone has their preference we respect that
But when you say "not the slightest doubt" you suggest that Macenroe's doing the same thing was somehow much much better without question- what is the reason you back it up with?
I think Roge plays in an era with great depth among Top 10 (and beyond) and won all his finales (24 or whatever), I don't see how this adds up to "not the slightest doubt"?

ys
11-15-2005, 02:02 PM
What makes u so sure of that, dont get me wrong, Mac was a great player but Fed would beat Mac, just my opinion.

I am not talking who beats whom among the players divided by two decades. that would be plain retarded.. I say Mac's year beats Fed's year. That's all.

gillian
11-15-2005, 02:04 PM
Wow. I wasn't sure he could beat the resurgent Ivan (left for work just after the 2nd set). Nice job! Congrats!

mishar
11-15-2005, 02:05 PM
Just because Lendl is better than Nadal? Not sure I see that. The level of atheleticism is so much higher nowadays that even for the body to survive to create a 82-3 record is remarkable. Also the depth of the competition outside the top 10.

BlackSilver
11-15-2005, 02:05 PM
What makes u so sure of that, dont get me wrong, Mac was a great player but Fed would beat Mac, just my opinion.

Anyone with a modern raquet would beat someone with a wooden raquet

I also think that McEnroe record is more impressive

ys
11-15-2005, 02:06 PM
I think Roge plays in an era with great depth among Top 10 (and beyond) and won all his finales (24 or whatever), I don't see how this adds up to "not the slightest doubt"?

Greater depth? With the only other decent player on Tour skipping half of year? With all his challenges only coming from one moonballer with no game, a 35 yo man and hacks like Ljubicic? And that , compared to Lendl, Wilander, Connors? You can not be serious.. :lol:

ys
11-15-2005, 02:08 PM
Wow. I wasn't sure he could beat the resurgent Ivan (left for work just after the 2nd set). Nice job! Congrats!

Playing Federer is always like playing in a final. Ljubicic does not win any finals.

jacobhiggins
11-15-2005, 02:09 PM
Nah, the competition these days is MUCH tougher then it was just 5 to 10 years ago, Federer's year if he were to end it tying Mac's record is just as good or maybe even better, remember he was out and missed a couple tournaments, he could have very well ended the year with quite a few more wins then Macs, he didn't, but it's something to think about!!!!

R.Federer
11-15-2005, 02:10 PM
Greater depth? With the only other decent player on Tour skipping half of year? With all his challenges only coming from one moonballer with no game, a 35 yo man and hacks like Ljubicic? And that , compared to Lendl, Wilander, Connors? You can not be serious.. :lol:
Well, just because Roge beats most of the Top 10 players routinely does not mean that they are not good, you know! All it shows is how good Roge is, he should get credit for that, not that other players should be thought of as bad players for that. I am serious.... I think Macenroe agrees with me btw! :) I heard him on his own talk show talking about Roger, and lets just say --Macenroe is not in any hurry to downplay his personal achievements except when he has no choice

LLeytonRules
11-15-2005, 02:10 PM
Hey ys, these are all debates, its hard to compare the eras but my point is that its not fair too say that if indeed Fed does tie Mac, not to give him his props or put the record in the same league,this is coming from a Hewitt fan who Roger basically beats him to a drum.

rue
11-15-2005, 02:11 PM
Nah, the competition these days is MUCH tougher then it was just 5 to 10 years ago, Federer's year if he were to end it tying Mac's record is just as good or maybe even better, remember he was out and missed a couple tournaments, he could have very well ended the year with quite a few more wins then Macs, he didn't, but it's something to think about!!!!


in another 10-15 years another great player will come up and the competition then will be even tougher than it is today.

BlackSilver
11-15-2005, 02:13 PM
Nah, the competition these days is MUCH tougher then it was just 5 to 10 years ago, Federer's year if he were to end it tying Mac's record is just as good or maybe even better, remember he was out and missed a couple tournaments, he could have very well ended the year with quite a few more wins then Macs, he didn't, but it's something to think about!!!!


How much no sense.......

R.Federer
11-15-2005, 02:13 PM
First of all Roge has to get to Mac's record. So this discussion is ahead of time for now. Lets hold out a bit longer

After that, fans' personal favoritism, bias and prejudice come into play. If someone dislike Roge, he can go 100-0 in a year and it would still be subject to less credit than Macenroe 82-3. Whereas, for Roge fans, he can be 100-10 and it would be better than 82-3.

And this discussion about which is better era, harder era again same problem. No way to tell, and no player except agassi is in a position to compare 1980s with 1990s with 2000s

uNIVERSE mAN
11-15-2005, 02:13 PM
Well that is fine, everyone has their preference we respect that
But when you say "not the slightest doubt" you suggest that Macenroe's doing the same thing was somehow much much better without question- what is the reason you back it up with?
I think Roge plays in an era with great depth among Top 10 (and beyond) and won all his finales (24 or whatever), I don't see how this adds up to "not the slightest doubt"?

don't worry about it, that poster is an idiot, if this guy McEnroe is so good how come he couldn't win shit after that 84 season. Six slams before age 24, 0 slams after. The conclusion? The baseline powerhitters ala Lendl came up and ***** McEnroe who had the ugliest groundstrokes in tennis history. McEnroe is akin to Martina Hingis and her '97 season, getting lucky off a "dead era".

ys
11-15-2005, 02:13 PM
Macenroe agrees with me btw! :) I heard him on his own talk show talking about Roger, and lets just say --Macenroe is not in any hurry to downplay his personal achievements except when he has no choice

Career-wise - Roger is well on his way to trump Mac's record, possibly anyone's except maybe Sampras and Borg.. But year-to-year .. Mac's year stands out. Mac had just one really outstanding year.. But that was The Year.. Mind you, I still think that that year does not beat year of Federer-2004.

Corey Feldman
11-15-2005, 02:14 PM
I am not talking who beats whom among the players divided by two decades. that would be plain retarded.. I say Mac's year beats Fed's year. That's all.maybe..
but No one's year beats Fed's 2004 :D

nobama
11-15-2005, 02:15 PM
I thougt Ljubicic would spank Rogi and he'd go down in straight sets. The man never ceases to amaze me. :worship:

Tough loss for Ivan. But I still see him in the finals.

mishar
11-15-2005, 02:18 PM
Greater depth? With the only other decent player on Tour skipping half of year? With all his challenges only coming from one moonballer with no game, a 35 yo man and hacks like Ljubicic? And that , compared to Lendl, Wilander, Connors? You can not be serious.. :lol:

Well Wilander was too young to be much of a factor, and Connors was almost as old as Agassi is now. Borg had retired, and Lendl hadn't yet come into his own (or just started to that year.)

mishar
11-15-2005, 02:20 PM
Anyone know where I can find a list of previous TMC winners?

Corey Feldman
11-15-2005, 02:23 PM
Anyone know where I can find a list of previous TMC winners?http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/profile/605.asp

ys
11-15-2005, 02:33 PM
Well Wilander was too young to be much of a factor


Only won two Slams in two previous years..

and Connors was almost as old as Agassi is now.

As old as Agassi was when Agassi was still winning Slams.. Winning Wimbledon a previous year.. Reaching Slam semis 7 years later.. Come on..

Lendl hadn't yet come into his own (or just started to that year.)

Played in 4 Slam finals by the end of 1983. Find me a player with half of that in remaning current Masters 7.

how can you even compare it the field when the likes of Nalbandian and Coria have the best credentials.. :lol:

R.Federer
11-15-2005, 02:45 PM
how can you even compare it the field when the likes of Nalbandian and Coria have the best credentials.. :lol:

But you were talking about the pool of players in general no? Not the pool at the T.M.C. 2005
No dispute that the field at T.M.C is one of the strangest in years, but the pool of people playing the whole year is not. Hewitt, marat are both two slam winners , like wilander was, nadal no one can dispute he is the best clay court tennis guy going around, and agassi reached the finals of two big tournaments. andi is always going to be a factor as well.

I think your taking the observation of Roge's dominance to mean that the field is weak is your personal view. Most others agree that it only points to how good he is that he can dominate them like this, not how bad the others are.

Golfnduck
11-15-2005, 02:45 PM
Good job Roger :yeah:

RonE
11-15-2005, 02:47 PM
What nailbiter :scared:

I was amazed by how well Roger started the match and then hung on in the third. Ljubicic really handed him the break at 2-2 in the 3rd, and although I had no expectations before the match I was furious when Roger dropped serve at 5-4. But somehow he got it back together again.

He just keeps exceeding my expectations :worship:

ys
11-15-2005, 02:55 PM
Hewitt, marat are both two slam winners , like wilander was


Only Hewitt won't win any more.. has passed his peak clearly .. and played very little this year.. was hardly focusing on his tennis.. While Wilander won quite a few more Slams.. And Marat played while being fit a total of 1 Slam..
And don't even get me started on Nadal, who is nothing on faster surfaces.

mishar
11-15-2005, 02:58 PM
Only won two Slams in two previous years..


how can you even compare it the field when the likes of Nalbandian and Coria have the best credentials.. :lol:



Well, you're right about Wilander... that was careless on my part... I think I've undermined myself there, point to you definitely.

You may be right that the top 10 was better in 1984 than in 2005, but I still think the depth of field is tougher now than twenty years ago. :angel:

R.Federer
11-15-2005, 03:00 PM
Only Hewitt won't win any more.. has passed his peak clearly .. and played very little this year.. was hardly focusing on his tennis.. While Wilander won quite a few more Slams.. And Marat played while being fit a total of 1 Slam..
And don't even get me started on Nadal, who is nothing on faster surfaces.
Come on .......... You have to give some credit where it is due
nadal won Montreal, he beat agassi. He beat ivan in madrid, he came within points of beating Roge in straights in Miami. he is the best clay courter, but he is a very good other-courter also (not grass)

hewit.. well it is hard to say. If he has a situation like AO where Roge is taken out early and he meets, say, andi, in final, he has good chance. But overall I agree that his chances are reduce

mandoura
11-15-2005, 03:03 PM
You know I cannot rep you!!!! :worship: :worship: :worship: :yeah:

I can't rep either of you :mad: :lol: .

So a :hug: instead to Maria & Mikey. :yeah:

ys
11-15-2005, 03:03 PM
You may be right that the top 10 was better in 1984 than in 2005, but I still think the depth of field is tougher now than twenty years ago.

It's not even the depth.. It's over-specialization of most of tennis players.. A huge bunch of claycourters who can't do much on faster stuff. Players like Ljubicic who are good in best-of-three on fastcourts but useless on slower courts or in best-of-five.. But other than that .. Federer met no serious resistance at two Slams that he won.. And he was playing not nearly as well as he can by his own standards.. the field at two fastcourt Slams was appalingly shallow..

ys
11-15-2005, 03:07 PM
Come on .......... You have to give some credit where it is due
nadal won Montreal, he beat agassi. He beat ivan in madrid, he came within points of beating Roge in straights in Miami. he is the best clay courter, but he is a very good other-courter also (not grass)

Nadal won no fastcourt tournament, that Federer played. Period. End of story. he won a couple of Masters with mickey mouse field.. He wins Montreal.. Next week, when the sport's best play at Cincinnati.. out of players who made quarters at Montreal how many made quarters in Cinci? How many of those made quarters at USO? Count.. Madrid.. is the only place where Spaniards can win indoors.. Lets leave it to them without much of discussion.. :lol:

tangerine_dream
11-15-2005, 03:08 PM
Down goes Ivan. An expected result. :devil:

Well done, Roger. :bounce:

Corey Feldman
11-15-2005, 03:11 PM
Down goes Ivan. An expected result. :devil:

Well done, Roger. :bounce:A blow for all LjubTards :p

shotgun
11-15-2005, 03:13 PM
That's what I was going to say. After all, a very typical and expected result.

ys
11-15-2005, 03:15 PM
That's what I was going to say. After all, a very typical and expected result.

Exactly.. This TMC is just Federer and a bunch of pussies who would always choke when required..

Neely
11-15-2005, 03:29 PM
Very good try of Ljubicic, but also good from Federer to win again immediately two difficult matches after his break :worship: Remarkable how he does it in these situations.

Anyway, except that Ljubicic can't go undefeated anymore in this tournament, Ljubicic doesn't necessarily need this match and I think these two might meet in the final again and then I hope that Ljubicic wins the match that really counts in the final. :yeah:

shotgun
11-15-2005, 03:32 PM
Anyway, except that Ljubicic can't go undefeated anymore in this tournament, Ljubicic doesn't necessarily need this match and I think these two might meet in the final again and then I hope that Ljubicic wins the match that really counts in the final. :yeah:

If Ljubicic couldn't win this one, I may be wrong, but I highly doubt that he can beat Federer in the final.

Corey Feldman
11-15-2005, 03:32 PM
wow Neely..
you made a post about federer winning without using the " :zzz: " smilie?
:eek:

Neely
11-15-2005, 03:40 PM
If Ljubicic couldn't win this one, I may be wrong, but I highly doubt that he can beat Federer in the final.
We all know that Federer won this and that many consecutive finals, but for the sake of diversification I hope Ljubicic's has the needed points/luck whatever is needed to beat him a few days later.

El Legenda
11-15-2005, 03:47 PM
i just got back from class, i didnt even try to read all the stuff before this post, i could care less, cuz anyone that said anything bad about ivan, well i think he can kick ur ass in tennis :rolls: you may not like Ljubicic for whatever reason, or for speaking him mind and not giving a f*ck but as player if you dont repect him you have no knowledge about tennis, Federer played one of his best matchs of the year, the injury had no affect on him what so ever today. he made every shot he tryed. Ljubicic did the same, He been Roger's only real chanallege outside clay courts, good matchs every time. Ivan once again proved he is top 10 player and he belongs there, even as much of you loser trolls hate it..well he will keep pissing you off in 2006(and i keep remaiding you some more ) with another top 10 and another TMC.

This match was not a biggest match for Ivan of TMC- match vs Nalbandian for spot in SF is biggest one. :)

Guybrush
11-15-2005, 03:54 PM
Great match! Congratulations for both players! Especialy for Rogi, we've seen why he is the No.1 in the world :worship:

I cannot wait sunday when they will (probably) meet again. It will be another big match, hopefully in 4 or 5 sets!

Go Roger! Go Ivan! :worship: :worship: :worship:

NYCtennisfan
11-15-2005, 04:35 PM
Hail and props to the king.

NYCtennisfan
11-15-2005, 04:38 PM
We all know that Federer won this and that many consecutive finals, but for the sake of diversification I hope Ljubicic's has the needed points/luck whatever is needed to beat him a few days later.

All of their matches have been close except for Doha so it will either be a 5 setter or Federer will win easily. Everytime I think Federer might actually lose he steps up his game.

R.Federer
11-15-2005, 04:42 PM
We all know that Federer won this and that many consecutive finals, but for the sake of diversification I hope Ljubicic's has the needed points/luck whatever is needed to beat him a few days later.
we have still to see who reaches even the semi-finales along with Roge from this group
david versus ivan is quite hard to predict, don't you think?

R.Federer
11-15-2005, 05:14 PM
Ljubicic said he could find little wrong with his opponent. "He's not struggling. I just think that he's not top-fit. He's not sharp as he usually is - but it's not like you can take advantage of it.

"If he plays the way he can play, it's really very little you can do. I just tried to play my best tennis. It was almost enough. Unfortunately, it wasn't."

Bubba08
11-15-2005, 05:28 PM
Congrats Roger. :worship: :worship:

landoud
11-15-2005, 05:30 PM
well done rogelio

Corey Feldman
11-15-2005, 06:08 PM
i just got back from class, i didnt even try to read all the stuff before this post, i could care less, cuz anyone that said anything bad about ivan, well i think he can kick ur ass in tennis :rolls: you may not like Ljubicic for whatever reason, or for speaking him mind and not giving a f*ck but as player if you dont repect him you have no knowledge about tennis, Federer played one of his best matchs of the year, the injury had no affect on him what so ever today. he made every shot he tryed. Ljubicic did the same, He been Roger's only real chanallege outside clay courts, good matchs every time. Ivan once again proved he is top 10 player and he belongs there, even as much of you loser trolls hate it..well he will keep pissing you off in 2006(and i keep remaiding you some more ) with another top 10 and another TMC.

This match was not a biggest match for Ivan of TMC- match vs Nalbandian for spot in SF is biggest one. :)there there tinkerbell :hug:

Neely
11-15-2005, 06:39 PM
we have still to see who reaches even the semi-finales along with Roge from this group
david versus ivan is quite hard to predict, don't you think?
Yes I think. If Nalbandian is playing really well, it is going to be hard for Ivan to win and last meeting was closer than scoreline reflects.

gebl
11-15-2005, 07:27 PM
there there tinkerbell :hug:
:yeah: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Dexter_1986
11-15-2005, 07:47 PM
Allez Roger! :banana:

Daniel
11-15-2005, 09:24 PM
Well done Roger :yeah:

musefanatic
11-15-2005, 09:25 PM
Great win rog!!! :) :)

Billabong
11-15-2005, 09:38 PM
Rogi:woohoo: Great victory:yeah: Keep it up man, now elevate your level for the coming matches:D!!! GOOO FEDDDDDD:banana:!!!!!

celia
11-15-2005, 09:41 PM
Rogi:woohoo: Great victory:yeah: Keep it up man, now elevate your level for the coming matches:D!!! GOOO FEDDDDDD:banana:!!!!!
He will. :banana:

he'd better!!! :mad:

I was deeply tense throughout this match. I could not even watch match point!!! :lol:

chewy
11-15-2005, 10:47 PM
i was rootin for ivan all d way, felt he had d chance n came very close to winning.
gee he saved so many match points.

but roger d great play superb tennis esp on big points, well deserved win. good job to both guys!

DrJules
11-15-2005, 11:28 PM
Federer seemed to make this match more difficult for himself by coming to the net early in the second set and missing easy volleys which resulted in a loss of serve. The first set domination was achieved by powerful baseline attack rather than net play. Federer does actually miss a lot of easy volleys.

El Legenda
11-15-2005, 11:33 PM
Federer seemed to make this match more difficult for himself by coming to the net early in the second set and missing easy volleys which resulted in a loss of serve. The first set domination was achieved by powerful baseline attack rather than net play. Federer does actually miss a lot of easy volleys.

Ljubicic 1st serve % going up in 2nd was much of reason he outplayed Roger in 2nd.

prima donna
11-15-2005, 11:40 PM
Ivan played a nice match, A for effort. He's a respectable guy, no matter what type of game he plays, you can't help but respect his character and tenacity on the court --- that being said, he's going to David Nalbandian in 3. All of the match play and David's wear-and-tear style will just prove too much for the Croat, but I applaud him on his season and have nothing but a respectable amount of admiration for him. Now, show up at a Slam for once next year, Ivan ! Bring your tennis racquets this time and leave the digital camera at home. :rolleyes:

R.Federer
11-15-2005, 11:43 PM
Yes, I think the match with david is very hard to predict the outcome.
I don't think it will be straight sets whoever wins (unless its two very tight sets).

El Legenda
11-15-2005, 11:48 PM
Yes, I think the match with david is very hard to predict the outcome.
I don't think it will be straight sets whoever wins (unless its two very tight sets).

even if david is a good returner, u cant forget his serve sucks and Ivan is not that bad of returner, with a huge serve, im going with Ivan in 2, but i wont be suprised if he lost in 2 :)

ASP0315
11-15-2005, 11:53 PM
Great game
I'll give the credit to Ivan ljubicic :yeah:
Congats Roger though
Tie breaks are lottery and Roger was lucky again to win this matc h
I Hope the finals will be between Ivan and Roger

R.Federer
11-16-2005, 01:18 AM
Oh, come on.. When the decisive point is won like that .. Federer with his squash shot knew that all he needed is to give Iva a couple of extra shots and he would eventually miss an open court.. which he did.. Ljubicic does not have much of a game.. really. Roger as tentative as he played, as indecisive as he played, serving as poor as he served, missing as many volleys as he did, mishitting so many shots, still won..

AS A third reserve readied himself to fly here should someone else come a cropper, so Roger Federer and Ivan Ljubicic reminded the world what the Masters Cup was supposed to be about — two players going head to head with tennis of such an absorbing quality that you almost forgot the ills that have afflicted this championship.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5205-1874200,00.html

Art&Soul
11-16-2005, 01:33 AM
ROGI you made my heart jump but finally a great win. Just play like the way you play in the first set and the TMC trophy will be in your hand again @!@
ALEZZZZZZZZZZZZ ROGELIO

oneandonlyhsn
11-16-2005, 04:46 AM
Well done Rogelio :bounce: :bounce:

Experimentee
11-16-2005, 04:54 AM
Roger still not at his best but still got through. Ivan played well, although looked a bit nervous in the first set. I believe this will be the final, so hopefully they both improve for that match.

seven
11-16-2005, 11:34 AM
Federer seemed to make this match more difficult for himself by coming to the net early in the second set and missing easy volleys which resulted in a loss of serve. The first set domination was achieved by powerful baseline attack rather than net play. Federer does actually miss a lot of easy volleys.

Federer is not a natural net player, he´s a baseliner

RogiFan88
11-16-2005, 02:22 PM
Like most players out there... he was experimenting again. ;)