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Nadal, Agassi and all those who widthraw

yomike
11-15-2005, 01:57 AM
suck suck suck suck . There the ones who should be blame why the masters cup is what it is now. Not Puerta, not Gonzalez, or any of the alternates. Hearing those commentators say that masters cup is weakened because of Puerta and Gonzalez:rolleyes: is the same as saying there the culprits of this fiasco. I never heard any criticism for the withrawal of Agassi or the other players and there the ones that are guilty for not doing their part.
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hitchhiker
11-15-2005, 02:01 AM
nadal came to whinge and to have family trip to china
agassi came to complete daylight robbery by playing one match and bolting out of there

Federerthebest
11-15-2005, 02:06 AM
Nadal is an arsehole for withdrawing when he did and disappointing the crowd. Agassi - well, at least he played a match.

alfonsojose
11-15-2005, 03:13 AM
and they made pillows with the player's name :tape:

nobama
11-15-2005, 03:39 AM
and they made pillows with the player's name :tape:Do they get to take the pillows, towels and bathrobes home with them?

liptea
11-15-2005, 05:48 AM
I found a pillow on the road yesterday.

haas'luv
11-15-2005, 06:19 AM
i was soooooo disappointed !

megadeth
11-15-2005, 06:41 AM
what amazes me is how soon they can find replacements like puerta and gonzo on such short notice...

do they get the same hotel perks too by being on standby?

haas'luv
11-15-2005, 06:59 AM
as far as i know,all the players get the same hotel perks except Agassi...:p

Guybrush
11-15-2005, 09:44 AM
nadal came to whinge and to have family trip to china

He made the same this summer when he was 1st seeded in Umag (my city). He widthrawned monday (the 1st day of the tournament) because of injury. And the day before he won the final of Stuttgart. When/where he injured? In the airplane? :rolleyes:

But he went to Umag anyway. He haven't played, but hey, why don't enjoy a free trip in a new country?

The week after Umag he won the ATP tournament in Montreal. Strange short term injury :rolleyes:

I dislike him so much...

MIRE
11-15-2005, 12:13 PM
get over it , guys and don't be so harsh . I'm sure any of us took decisions that made the other people unconfortable but we did it for our own good . And I think that no one gives up a chance to win good prizes just like that . they had a good reason to withdraw .

basil333
11-15-2005, 12:26 PM
I agree with Mire... afterall they are only human afterall - instead of being so bloody critical and attacking Nadal etc - think of the positives! - think of Puerta and Gonzalez and I think Ferrer! - they get the chance to play in Shanghai.

I think that the Alternates, and the alternates alternates alternates (who want to play) are on standby and they stay with the other players. 2 years ago Mark P was an alternate - he had a great week partying (and getting paid for it - he didnt have to play a match) this year the Alternates Alterates Alternates have to earn their standby cheque. I think the system works.

Let the players enjoy their moments.

DhammaTiger
11-15-2005, 12:30 PM
You are the ones ho are whingeing not the players. Can't you have an ounce, or even a miligramme of sympathy for your fellow human beings.Ordinary people get injured unexpectedly every day, what more athletes who push their bodies to the limit and beyond.. As for Nadal, he never shirked playing in any tournament, or was afraid of any opponent, and those who are casting doubt about his injury in Umag, or elsewhere, my advice to them is first learn to play tennis at the same level as Rafa, then you are qualified to judge the veracity of his or any other player's injuries, or better still get a degree in sport medicine before you make anycomments. If you can't do that then learn a bit of humility.

LeeHesh
11-15-2005, 12:34 PM
Yo dtiger,
Are you Saudi?
I see listed on your profile that photography is your hobby? Do you have any photos of Azizya dt. I wonder?

LeeHesh
11-15-2005, 12:52 PM
Damn,
what did i do to get badrepped this bad? I can find maybe one post in which i used the word "nitwit. " And federer express badrepped me for defending Roddick without the single use of a profanity. That sucks.

DhammaTiger
11-15-2005, 01:30 PM
Yo dtiger,
Are you Saudi?
I see listed on your profile that photography is your hobby? Do you have any photos of Azizya dt. I wonder? :topic: yes, I am, and I presume you are from India. No, I don't have pictures of Azizya.Have you lived in Saudi Arabia? :topic:
Going back to the topic. Players are humans, and they deserve to be treated like humans. They are not automatons . Learn to respect and appreciate their contributions to our entertainment, and stop dissing them when the fail your standards.

LeeHesh
11-15-2005, 01:33 PM
umm...i'm not sure how to use the off-topic icon.
I lived in jeddah till i was in high school, 1995.

DhammaTiger
11-15-2005, 01:46 PM
:topic: click on " go advance", and then you get a list of icons you click on more, that will get you to a list which includes the offtopic icon. Do u play tennis? :topic:

LeeHesh
11-15-2005, 02:01 PM
:topic:
Yes, for fun. Other than football, it seemed to be pretty much the only option, since there were quite a few courts in saudia City.

It is nice to meet someone from Saudi, brings back old memories. Hope to see you around on the board again.
:topic:

liptea
11-15-2005, 02:06 PM
He made the same this summer when he was 1st seeded in Umag (my city). He widthrawned monday (the 1st day of the tournament) because of injury. And the day before he won the final of Stuttgart. When/where he injured? In the airplane? :rolleyes:

But he went to Umag anyway. He haven't played, but hey, why don't enjoy a free trip in a new country?

The week after Umag he won the ATP tournament in Montreal. Strange short term injury :rolleyes:

I dislike him so much...

He might have had an injury that got flared up after a week of play in Stuttgart. And he probably went to Umag to see if he could play, found that he was not doing well and withdrew. He probably won Montreal after a week of rest. I think the ATP also requires that a doctor at the tournament site has to see the injury. There's probably more specifications than that, but Rafa probably had to be checked out by a doctor in Umag, rather than one in Mallorca that would just clear him out.

The players are working their bodies almost consistently all day (if you're Carlos Moya, probably all night too). Without some rest, they can't function. And that's what happened to Rafa at Umag. That isn't anything to dislike in him.

Clara Bow
11-15-2005, 02:55 PM
From another thread-

According to the doctors if he had played in Shanghai there was a great of risk of breaking his peronial ligament and to be 3 months out of the courts

Nadal had pain in his ligament which he had had since after the final in Madrid, a pain that prevented him from training as much as he would like. He visits doctors in Spain for the pain. Still, he came to Shanghai hoping to be able to play and as he stated in his press conference hoped to be able to have mind over matter or that the pain would subside. The pain flared up again during his practices, in particular in his practice with Nalbandian. He is examined by doctors in Shanghai, is submitted to medical tests. On Sunday night or Monday morning, doctors advise him not to play and say that if he plays in Shanghai he could be out for three months.

I fail to see how he is being an asshole, as Federeristhebest put it, when he hoped to be able to play but was advised on Sunday/Monday of this week that if he played he could further damage the ligament to the point where he would have surgery.


And as for Umag- I thought that he went there because he felt bad about withdrawing and wanted to personally explain to the crowd. (Which he did.)

Duncan
11-15-2005, 03:27 PM
it's clear to me now that Nadal is a wuss and makes up any old excuse to say he's injured. Chris Bailey said it himself when he mentioned that he nor anyone else on the TMS show seen that injury he was supposed to have picked up in the 1st set of the final. At least Andre played a match and gave it a go!

Clara Bow
11-15-2005, 03:35 PM
it's clear to me now that Nadal is a wuss and makes up any old excuse to say he's injured.

That's it- I give up. :lol: There are doctors and medical reports that back up the validity of Nadal's claim. In other words, there is proof that he has an injury and did not make up anything.

But I guess that people will believe what they want to believe and some will say that Nadal is faking it regardless of the doctors, results of medical tests, and medical reports (including one that said he could tear his ligament and be out for three months if he played) that say otherwise.

Castafiore
11-15-2005, 03:37 PM
it's clear to me now that Nadal is a wuss and makes up any old excuse to say he's injured. Chris Bailey said it himself when he mentioned that he nor anyone else on the TMS show seen that injury he was supposed to have picked up in the 1st set of the final. At least Andre played a match and gave it a go!
Oh yes, it's clear that Nadal should have played and thereby, making the injury (examined by a group of doctors: his own doctor, the ATP doctor, the doctors in the hospital of Shanghai) a whole lot worse but hey...at least, he would not be a 'wuss' in Duncan's world, right? Who cares about worsening an injury, right?

Can you guys just think for a second before you type your prejudiced opinions?

Turkeyballs Paco
11-15-2005, 04:15 PM
The press is especially pissed because they wanted a Nadal/Federer showdown and now they won't get that. :shrug: It's all good.

ExpectedWinner
11-15-2005, 04:17 PM
Listen, you are just waisting your time with those doctor statements. What are they supposed to say when the No 2 player in the world is complaining about pain? They are not going to accuse him of lying/exaggerating. The Atp doctor will never contradict Nadal's doctor, and a local doctor can't take any responsibility without MRI, various Xrays, etc. Only Nadal and his private doctor know what's really going on. General public always "eat" what's served- some PR "salad".

Castafiore
11-15-2005, 04:34 PM
Fans always "eat" what's served- some PR "salad".
I fail to see your point.
You could also say: "haters" always throw the dish into the dustbin, even if it is served in a restaurant with three Michelin stars. :shrug:

ExpectedWinner
11-15-2005, 04:47 PM
I fail to see your point.
You could also say: "haters" always throw the dish into the dustbin, even if it is served in a restaurant with three Michelin stars. :shrug:

The point is that tennis fans know only what they are "supposed" to know( decided by a player's PR machine). It could be 100% truth, half truth ,or a complete lie.

What does it have to do with haters?

Castafiore
11-15-2005, 05:01 PM
What does it have to do with haters? Isn't that obvious?

Fans believe what they are supposed to believe, you argue.
Perhaps but the same could be said of people who just love to doubt that this Nadal injury is severe enough to withdraw or even if it's real.

From a distance, neither fan nor doubter can know for sure if this injury was severe enough to justify a pullout so maybe some people prefer to trust the ATP doctor not to make a mockery of his profession when he went public in the press conference in confirming the injury and other people prefer to doubt it because it's perhaps more fun to cast a dark shadow over this, regardless of what any doctor comes up with.

It's a bit too easy to just point to fans and say that they love to believe the positive interpretation of this. You could easily say the same about the doubters but in the other direction. So, that's why I said that I fail to see your point.

ExpectedWinner
11-15-2005, 05:43 PM
Castafiore, you are too obsessed with fan wars. I got rid of the word "fans" in my initial post.

Doctors don't do mockery out if their profession. Players always have some aches here and there. If they complain, doctors most likely prescribe rest/ massage/ icing/medications and issue a proper statement for general public. No doctor will drag a player on the court and take responsibility for any further damage.

PamV
11-15-2005, 05:52 PM
suck suck suck suck . There the ones who should be blame why the masters cup is what it is now. Not Puerta, not Gonzalez, or any of the alternates. Hearing those commentators say that masters cup is weakened because of Puerta and Gonzalez:rolleyes: is the same as saying there the culprits of this fiasco. I never heard any criticism for the withrawal of Agassi or the other players and there the ones that are guilty for not doing their part.
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I think it's understood what they mean. They are saying it's weakened because so many of the true top 8 players have withdrawn.

Duncan
11-15-2005, 06:14 PM
Oh yes, it's clear that Nadal should have played and thereby, making the injury (examined by a group of doctors: his own doctor, the ATP doctor, the doctors in the hospital of Shanghai) a whole lot worse but hey...at least, he would not be a 'wuss' in Duncan's world, right? Who cares about worsening an injury, right?

Can you guys just think for a second before you type your prejudiced opinions?


he plays madrid with bad knees and we think this is the reason he pulls out of shanghai but then he comes up with an ankle injury picked up in the final of madrid(yet still manages to win) that nobody seen on tv or at the stadium probably. I aint a Nadal hater i like his style of play but he's always going towards the injury thing when it comes to him maybe not being able to win an event. It's getting a bit predictable

Castafiore
11-15-2005, 06:15 PM
ExpectedWinner,

Nice to see you get rid of the word 'fan' but it doesn't change much, does it?

You argue that the 'general public' (read: fans) always eats what is being served.
I agree to some degree but where do you draw the line? I mean, it IS possible that in some cases, they are actually talking the truth?

Besides, have you seen the press conference? The ATP doctor made a direct reference to the injury of the ligament in the middle of his left foot. That is a direct reference to a particular injury and nothing vague like 'ache'.
So, it's not just a matter of the ATP doctor being vague about it because a player always has an ache here or there so they can always come up with a prescription or a diagnosis without making a mockery of their profession.

Furthermore, doctors of the hospital in Shanghai have examined his foot. As a result, there should be a report of that somewhere unless you prefer to believe that this famous PR machine just made up that examination as well and we just blindly accept that this examination took place because it's all part of the PR Salad being served.
What do those Shanghai doctors have to gain by exaggerating that injury just to back up Nadal's withdrawal? Those doctors have nothing to do with the ATP or with the world of tennis.

ExpectedWinner
11-15-2005, 06:55 PM
I'm getting tired of you. :) It's my last response bacause I don't live on this forum 24 hrs.


ExpectedWinner,

I agree to some degree but where do you draw the line? I mean, it IS possible that in some cases, they are actually talking the truth?



Yes, see my post at 11:47.

The ATP doctor made a direct reference to the injury of the ligament in the middle of his left foot. That is a direct reference to a particular injury and nothing vague like 'ache'.


It doesn't change anything. They are pofessionals, they word it better than me. Btw, "ligament in the middle" is not a very detailed and/or professional description.

Furthermore, doctors of the hospital in Shanghai have examined his foot. As a result, there should be a report of that somewhere unless you prefer to believe that this famous PR machine just made up that examination as well and we just blindly accept that this examination took place because it's all part of the PR Salad being served.
What do those Shanghai doctors have to gain by exaggerating that injury just to back up Nadal's withdrawal? Those doctors have nothing to do with the ATP or with the world of tennis.

I didn't say that Shanghai doctors exaggerated the injury. I didn't see a report. Did they perform MRI, X-rays?

My point is that those medical and media reports don't add too much. Have you ever seen a statement like this- Player X suffered a slight injury, easily could play a tournament but chose not to do so. :rolleyes:

Btw, I believe in his injury. He was guaranteed at least a SF place. Why to pass the opportunity?

Castafiore
11-15-2005, 07:18 PM
I'm getting tired of you :)
The feeling is mutual :kiss:

You say that those doctor reports don't add to much. OK, that's your viewpoint but what does this add to this discussion and what does this have to do with that PR Salad machine rant of yours?

Was it your purpose to lecture those fans (sorry, 'general public') for believing that PR machine?
So? What does it have to do with this particular injury if you know just as little about it as the 'general public'? What's it to you if some people care to believe it?
Neither believer or doubter can fully know for sure if this injury was severe enough to withdraw unless you are the doctor who examined the foot.
Some prefer to believe it - fine, but spare me the PR Salad lecture - some people prefer to doubt it - fine, we can have a discussion about it, like in this thread.

uNIVERSE mAN
11-15-2005, 07:21 PM
This is only the beginning of the injury problems for Nadal, his style will tear his body apart. He doesn't have a long run at the top left, maybe another couple of years and his problems will be chronic.

DrJules
11-15-2005, 07:37 PM
This is just a freak year. The chances are that another 20 years will pass before this number of players withdraw from the year end tournament again. Nadal's knee wear/injury resulted from having a very heavy year because he started the year with a much lower ranking and probably did not expect to win so much. Roddick suffered a back injury that could happen to anyone if they make sudden movements. Hewitt would probably have played, but had more important events in life - a baby. Agassi suffered a non-tennis injury. Not sure how Federer was injured. Safin seems to have a continous knee problem. Only Nadal's condition could be considered to result from excessive play in the year.

There is always a chance that physical activity will result in injury. I expect next year only 1 player at most among the top 8 will be absent.

euroka1
11-15-2005, 07:41 PM
No worries. We're getting some very good, indeed great tennis with what we've got. That Federer-Ljubicic match this morning was something to behold. :D

case
11-15-2005, 07:49 PM
i was soooooo disappointed !


About the wasted pillows?? They can always have the pillows stuffed.

case
11-15-2005, 07:56 PM
I think that the Alternates, and the alternates alternates alternates (who want to play) are on standby and they stay with the other players....this year the Alternates Alterates Alternates have to earn their standby cheque. I think the system works.

Let the players enjoy their moments.

:haha: :haha: The system works??? How many alternate, alternate, alternate, alternates are we on again?? :haha: Shirley, you aren't serious? :haha:

DhammaTiger
11-15-2005, 07:56 PM
This is just a freak year. The chances are that another 20 years will pass before this number of players withdraw from the year end tournament again. Nadal's knee wear/injury resulted from having a very heavy year because he started the year with a much lower ranking and probably did not expect to win so much. Roddick suffered a back injury that could happen to anyone if they make sudden movements. Hewitt would probably have played, but had more important events in life - a baby. Agassi suffered a non-tennis injury. Not sure how Federer was injured. Safin seems to have a continous knee problem. Only Nadal's condition could be considered to result from excessive play in the year.

There is always a chance that physical activity will result in injury. I expect next year only 1 player at most among the top 8 will be absent.
Thank you for a very lucid post that puts to shame all the dissing on this board :worship:

Galaxystorm
11-15-2005, 08:38 PM
Nadal started to feel pain in his foot/ankle from the third set of Madrid's final , and after the match ( and after the press conference ) his foot got inflamed a lot .

Everybody who has practised sports knows that after the body gets cold is when the injury seriousness appears and the sport is plenty of players that although get injured or are in pain can play the rest of the match because his body is warm .

On monday afternoon ( the day after Madrid's final ) i can assure he was almost sure he would play in Paris 1) becuase he thought that his knees would improve with a week of rest and even he had played in Paris with a mild pain in the knees , since he wanted to make a good preparation on carpet thinking in TMC , 2) and because he also thought that the inflamation of the foot/ankle would disappear the week between Madrid and Paris . Unluckily he saw that his foot didn't improve and on wednesday he pulled out of Paris. I can assure that Paris' withdrawal wasn't premeditated .

After Madrid's final , he was 5/6 days without practising, he was just resting . He resumed the practises on Saturday ( two days before Paris started ) and his practises during the first week were a joke , he was practising statically , hitting balls without running , without making lateral movements, he seemed to be like a statue, because he didn't wanted to get worse his knee and ankle recovery and avoided a lot of movements. ( there are even TV reports about this " static " practises.
After this first week of " stactic " tennis he resumed the real practises but practising less time that he would want .

During the weeks before going to Shanghai he went two times to Barcelona ( , the mass media didn't realize ) and was submitted to medical tests about his ankle . The pain of the foot improved a bit during those weeks but didn't disappear and it's also necessary to say that he practised on clay when he was in Spain, and clay is a surface where the foot and the ankle suffers less since on clay you can slide but on carpet is very difficult and the movements are much more sharp.

He arrived to China on tuesday night and practised for the first time on wednesday . I remember that when journalists asked him about the court he talked about the speed , the low bounce, but above all he talked about how difficult was to move on this court , was very sticky . Some journalists thought he mentioned the court was sticky because of the fact that his playstyle on clay is to slide a lot and on Shanghai's court he couldn't slide , but he was really worried about his ankle because this court is terrible if you have an ankle injury , the movements are incredibly sharp , very different to play on clay . If you have a foot/ankle injury it's easier to play on clay , hard , grass .

The first two days of practises although he was still in pain, he was confident becuase his foot injury hadn't got worse , but on friday morning practising with Nalbandian the pain increased, and on satudary increased more, and on sunday more . Although the diagnosis is still a bit uncertain untill he arrives to Spain and makes an exhaustive medical test , it seems he has a little strain in the peronial ligament , and as he has said, " although i am in pain obviously i could play ", ....but What player is so dumb to play knowing there is a great risk about this strain could turn into a ligament fracture, needing surgery and being out of the courts 3 or more months ?? :retard:

And for those persons who are accusing him of faking this injury , and that he is a coward i will tell you a little story . In Estoril open 2004 he played against Gasquet , before starting the match he had already a scaphoid fracture ( although he didn't know it, he only knew he was in pain ) , he played , won and after the match his foot got inflamed a lot ,he withdrew of the tournament and he was out of the courts for almost 3 months becuase of that stress fracture .
As he confessed some days later, " During the match , i was about to withdraw several times beucase i had a lot of pain, but i didn't withdraw because i knew a lot of persons would say i was afraid of facing Gasquet ".

I wonder how many of the persons that are criticizing Nadal would be able to play a match with a fracture for more than 2 hours :rolleyes:

Only the dumbasses, the morons, idiots and etcccc could thing that a player in his first TMC could withdraw because of the fact he was shit-scared :retard: . The groups draw was very lucky for him, facing Agassi , Gaudio , Davydenko , it was the best draw he could get.

Besides winning matches he would add up points , he can only add up points in Shanghai and reach easily the 5000 points .

I don't find no reasonable reason to understand why Nadal had to fake this injury :shrug: it's one of the greatest bullshit i have listened ever . This TMC can only bring him positive things :shrug: and besides all the players dream of qualifying for the TMC , there are players that would pay to play a competition like this . Do you know any player that isn't excited about playing his first TMC :retard: ?? According to some dumbasses although he has been working all the year to qualify for the TMC when arrives the moment he fakes an injury :retard::silly:

I think Nadal has made a GREAT mistake, and because of this mistake now the morons are criticizing him , the great mistake was he hardly said to the press nothing about his ankle injury, he always talked about the knees ..
Because of this fact the new about his ankle injured was harldy known , not even in Spain , , in fact i would say that i have been the unique person in MTF that i have posted messages about his foot/ankle.

I don't know why he hid this injury :shrug: , maybe he didn't want to give psychological advantage to his opponents, maybe he thought that if he said he was injured people thought he was faking because he didn't like the court, or maybe he hoped the pain in the foot wouldn't get worse...Who knows ??:shrug:

But the only truth is that finally to hide this injury has been a weapon used by his haters to lynch him ..

Now i will post 3 links to 3 messages where i already talked about his foot ( This message is dedicated to those persons who say he concocted the injury after watching live Shanghai court and realizing he couldn't win no match on it, not even against Gaudio :retard:

The first one was the day after Madrid's final , the second one on wednesday after making his first practise in China, and the last one on saturday ( when i already said he was very worried about his ankle problem. I posted two days before the tennis world was surprised about Nadal's withdrawal on monday )

1) http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=2554159&postcount=60

2) http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=2649602&postcount=17

3) http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=2662957&postcount=38

PS. It's funny that the player who has always considered as one of the biggest fighters on ATP court, now he's accused of being a coward :retard:

iced gem
11-15-2005, 08:40 PM
Of course the alternates should not be blamed, but the players who withdrew can not help being injured. And, you can't blame Lleyton for wanting to be there for the birth of his first child.
Its just one of those unfortunate things, which nothing can be done about.

It just makes me laugh to think of how the players were all competing in Paris to try and qualify for the few spaces left in the tournament and now they are all in, and more besides!

shotgun
11-15-2005, 09:18 PM
I honestly don't think that Agassi gives a f*ck to what other people may think of him withdrawing after playing a match. He has been acting like this for a long time now, and unfortunately he's in a position where he's able to do this kind of stuff and get away unharmed.

As for Nadal, the only thing we can blame him for is the subhuman amount of tournaments he chose to play this year. And it seems that what happened in Shanghai won't make him change his mind, since he's, for example, still comitted to playing both Chennai and Sydney as a warm-up for the Australian Open. :crazy:

tennisinparis
11-15-2005, 09:49 PM
if you don't like him, why are you worried about him withdrawling?



I dislike him so much...

mallorn
11-15-2005, 09:55 PM
Great post, Galaxy, but you know there's no persuading people who don't give a damn about facts. :shrug: They'll just choose to think what they want to think and even say that you're naive for believing a player's good intentions and integrity.
It's funny that the player who has always considered as one of the biggest fighters on ATP court, now it is accused of being a coward :retard:
:yeah:

DrJules
11-15-2005, 10:49 PM
I have a feeling that Nadal and Safin in the eagerness to play; Nadal in Madrid and Safin in Cincinnati have actually delayed their recoveries and caused more problems. They probably should have played neither event. I have a feeling Nadal was pressured into playing in Madrid. This time he was sensible enough not to play.

Experimentee
11-16-2005, 05:42 AM
The players were legitimately injured except for Hewitt, so they had a right to withdraw instead of making it worse. As for Hewitt, its important to him to be with his family, but surely he could have just taken Bec to Shanghai? He'd have a dream draw if he'd made the trip.
Its not like its a bad tournament anyway, the replacements are all quality players and everyone should just enjoy their tennis and someone unexpected will get to the semis for once.

megadeth
11-16-2005, 06:22 AM
i really think agassi tanked it. he's not seriously injured. it's just an exagerration in order to excuse himself from the event. he didn't have the fire to fight and he knew he had no chance against powerful baseliners in his group this time (gaudio, puerta/nadal, davydenko)

prima donna
11-16-2005, 06:29 AM
i really think agassi tanked it. he's not seriously injured. it's just an exagerration in order to excuse himself from the event. he didn't have the fire to fight and he knew he had no chance against powerful baseliners in his group this time (gaudio, puerta/nadal, davydenko)
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