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Nadal withdraws!!

lau
11-14-2005, 11:42 AM
According to ESPN Latin America.

Deivid23
11-14-2005, 11:42 AM
Some other Spanish media confirm that :(

OUT!
11-14-2005, 11:43 AM
Bad kuck Nadal!

lau
11-14-2005, 11:43 AM
Puerta will play the match against Gaudio

Denaon
11-14-2005, 11:44 AM
But I 've read in Mariano's forum that he had left Shangai....

Noelle
11-14-2005, 11:44 AM
Really? :o I'm watching the Andre vs. Kolya match right now and the commentators haven't said a word about Nadal withdrawing.

Castafiore
11-14-2005, 11:44 AM
:sad:

DhammaTiger
11-14-2005, 11:45 AM
what happened to the Boy-Wonder, i wonder?

Noelle
11-14-2005, 11:46 AM
OK... Susan from VR.com is reporting that Rafa is pulling out--but it isn't official yet and the story's only just developing.

http://susan-shangai.blogspot.com/2005/11/bad-news-rafa-is-pulling-out-of-event.html

Denaon
11-14-2005, 11:46 AM
what happened to the Boy-Wonder, i wonder?
They say Rafa had an injury resented :shrug: I'm not sure what ...

Fergie
11-14-2005, 11:47 AM
But I 've read in Mariano's forum that he had left Shangai....
I heard that too ... Then Gonzalez will play? :confused:

lau
11-14-2005, 11:49 AM
ESPN said Mariano will play..., but who knows...

sigmagirl91
11-14-2005, 11:49 AM
This is interesting.

shotgun
11-14-2005, 11:50 AM
Nothing against Puerta, but it would be much more interesting to see Gonzalez playing, since he has more chanches to reach SF.

nobama
11-14-2005, 11:51 AM
Gee, I wonder how many people are gonna rag on Rafa like they have Roddick....we all know how much he didn't like this surface, and how he and Toni were really playing down his chances....

SwissMister1
11-14-2005, 11:52 AM
P-Mac just announced it on ESPN. I think he did say Puerta will replace him.

Billabong
11-14-2005, 11:53 AM
:eek:

BATES
11-14-2005, 11:54 AM
Argentine media says Nadal got injured and is pulling out

lunahielo
11-14-2005, 11:54 AM
They just announced it live on the Agassi-Davydenko match. ESPN
Reporting injury of his left foot.

mandoura
11-14-2005, 11:55 AM
:sad: :sad: :sad: Rafa.

Vamos Puerta. :yippee:

bad gambler
11-14-2005, 11:55 AM
this tournament was a farce to begin with, this just confirms it further

shotgun
11-14-2005, 11:56 AM
Oh no!! Puerta vs. Gaudio!! Our worst nightmare has become reality. :p

justClaudia
11-14-2005, 11:56 AM
:sad: :sad: :sad: Rafa.

Vamos Puerta. :yippee:

That's exactly how I feel right now....

BjŲrki
11-14-2005, 11:56 AM
Rafa :sad:

Tennis Fool
11-14-2005, 11:59 AM
Mattress Mac is really pulling out the $tops. Feds almost gave in, but the price wasn't right ;)

Denaon
11-14-2005, 11:59 AM
Maybe the Chinese just wanted to be sure Federer will win this....and asked Rafa to take a break :lol:

Noelle
11-14-2005, 11:59 AM
:bolt:

L James
11-14-2005, 12:00 PM
Puerta vs Gaudio on this surface :scared:

Castafiore
11-14-2005, 12:01 PM
Susan from vr.com says that Rafa will speak to the crowd and hold a press conference to explain what happened.

Rogiman
11-14-2005, 12:02 PM
So all the whining was in vain?

PamV
11-14-2005, 12:03 PM
They say Rafa had an injury resented :shrug: I'm not sure what ...

I heard he stubbed is left big toe.

Scotso
11-14-2005, 12:03 PM
Rafael :sad:

MariaV
11-14-2005, 12:03 PM
Oh dear oh dear, I can't wait to hear what happened!!!!!!!! :eek: :sad:

mandoura
11-14-2005, 12:03 PM
So all the whining was in vain?

:p

sigmagirl91
11-14-2005, 12:04 PM
I heard he stubbed is left big toe.

OK..... :rolleyes:

Effka
11-14-2005, 12:04 PM
:spit:

the line-up starts to resemble some good old Sopot :eek:

vincayou
11-14-2005, 12:05 PM
Nadal out, Puerta in, I reckon that the organisers are not very pleased about that.

kali_puerta_fan
11-14-2005, 12:06 PM
Vamos PUERTA! Who would have thought?! I am so happy!!!!!!

Tennis Fool
11-14-2005, 12:06 PM
this tournament was a farce to begin with, this just confirms it further
I just heard on the radio that Marat wants to step in due to dirth of talent ;) What's he doing in Shanghai anyway? This all seems pretty suspicious to me.

nobama
11-14-2005, 12:07 PM
this tournament was a farce to begin with, this just confirms it furtherYou really think Nadal was going to win this tournament? Hewitt and Roddick are better on this surface than some of the guys there, but they're hopeless against Fed and probably wouldn't have beaten Ljubicic either.

Clara Bow
11-14-2005, 12:07 PM
Gee, I wonder how many people are gonna rag on Rafa like they have Roddick....we all know how much he didn't like this surface, and how he and Toni were really playing down his chances....

Well- I hope mirkaland that you are not one of them with this post.

His ankle has actually been bugging him for a while and preventing him from having good training at home in Mallorca. They postponed actual running play for as long as possible at home, and I don't think that was just a farce. His injury is legit. (For the record- I think Andy's is legit as well.)

Good on him for addressing the crowd. And I hope that he heals well and has a healthy 2006. Poor fellow has had an injury now at some point for the last three years.


I heard he stubbed is left big toe.


Pam- I know that you don't like Nadal at all, but I really don't think it is fair to accuse him of faking it when he really indeed seems to have an injury- as galaxy storm alluded to several days ago.

Scotso
11-14-2005, 12:07 PM
this tournament was a farce to begin with, this just confirms it further

unfortunately, it's true. these last few events of this year have been a joke in terms of participation.

bad gambler
11-14-2005, 12:09 PM
You really think Nadal was going to win this tournament? Hewitt and Roddick are better on this surface than some of the guys there, but they're hopeless against Fed and probably wouldn't have beaten Ljubicic either.


I wonder if you were one of the people after the clay court season that said Nadal couldn't play on hardcourt or in indoors.... :wavey:

hitchhiker
11-14-2005, 12:10 PM
just need federer to withdraw and be replaced by similarly named ferrer to make this tournament spectacular

Denaon
11-14-2005, 12:10 PM
unfortunately, it's true. these last few events of this year have been a joke in terms of participation.
I'm sure they'll think how to revert this for next year's TMC....I don't think the organizers will be pleased to have 4 out of 8 best players participating (and not in the best physical conditions either)

Noelle
11-14-2005, 12:12 PM
From Reuters:
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=tennisNews&storyID=URI:urn:newsml:reuters.com:20051114:MTFH27 559_2005-11-14_11-59-45_T174663:1

landoud
11-14-2005, 12:12 PM
:eek: any more withdrawals? :mad:

Tennis Fool
11-14-2005, 12:12 PM
unfortunately, it's true. these last few events of this year have been a joke in terms of participation.
That's because the season's too long. It should end a month after the US Open.

OUT!
11-14-2005, 12:13 PM
I heard he stubbed is left big toe.

:lol: Is that the best excuse he could muster! :rolleyes:

nobama
11-14-2005, 12:14 PM
Well- I hope mirkaland that you are not one of them with this post.No I'm not, and I wasn't with Roddick either. But plenty of people here were...so I think it's a bit hypocritical for anyone to question the legitimacy of one players injury and not another's.

mandoura
11-14-2005, 12:14 PM
I don't think he is faking. And yes, CB, I don't think Roddick is faking either.

nobama
11-14-2005, 12:15 PM
I wonder if you were one of the people after the clay court season that said Nadal couldn't play on hardcourt or in indoors.... :wavey:Nope.

Xmanfan
11-14-2005, 12:17 PM
apparently - he has sore foot. Funny - Rog has one of those too!!!

Clara Bow
11-14-2005, 12:17 PM
so I think it's a bit hypocritical for anyone to question the legitimacy of one players injury and not another's.


Well how about if they don't question either? And not twist an overused cliche- but I have never understood the wrongs making a right mentality.

bad gambler
11-14-2005, 12:18 PM
Nope.


so why dismiss nadal chances here?

you don't win an AMS on hardcourt and in indoor by fluke, or does he have to beat fed on the same conditions to prove himself in your eyes?

Castafiore
11-14-2005, 12:18 PM
Good on him for addressing the crowd. And I hope that he heals well and has a healthy 2003. Poor fellow has had an injury now at some point for the last three years.

A healthy 2006 would be even more fantastic ;)

1sun
11-14-2005, 12:21 PM
so let me get this straight, we lose the no2 player in the world and get a doped up argie as a replacement.

Clara Bow
11-14-2005, 12:21 PM
A healthy 2006 would be even more fantastic ;)
Errr- yeah. Ooops. Hey- it's 6:20 in the morning here. My mental capabilites are none too fresh this time of day. :p

Corey Feldman
11-14-2005, 12:22 PM
Cya Rafa :bigwave:

mandoura
11-14-2005, 12:22 PM
So who is playing Gaudio? :confused:

Yahoo's tennis declared Gaudio the winner: walkover. :( Is Puerta not playing? :confused:

Corey Feldman
11-14-2005, 12:24 PM
I heard he stubbed is left big toeThats something id expect Henman to WD from a tournament with.

rafa :scratch:

justClaudia
11-14-2005, 12:24 PM
So who is playing Gaudio? :confused:

Yahoo's tennis declared Gaudio the winner: walkover. :( Is Puerta not playing? :confused:



:confused:

mallorn
11-14-2005, 12:25 PM
:eek: I had no idea the ankle injury was so serious, they were hardly talking about it. This is so disappointing :sad: :sad: :sad:

Elťa
11-14-2005, 12:27 PM
Yahoo's tennis declared Gaudio the winner: walkover. :( Is Puerta not playing? :confused:
:haha: it would be great in a way :rolleyes:

asotgod
11-14-2005, 12:27 PM
Pitiful Masters situation at the moment. The way things are going, even Agassi may withdraw.

nobama
11-14-2005, 12:28 PM
so why dismiss nadal chances here?

you don't win an AMS on hardcourt and in indoor by fluke, or does he have to beat fed on the same conditions to prove himself in your eyes?He and Toni were really downplaying his chances, complaining about the court. So I don't think they were confident he could win. Of course he had a shot, but I think others, especially Ljubicic have a better shot.

Noelle
11-14-2005, 12:28 PM
Ankle injury? I thought it was Federer who had the ankle injury... :confused:

Xmanfan
11-14-2005, 12:29 PM
the news wires are saying Gaudio will play Puerta, but if as the rumours have it he has left that it will be a walkover for all the players in that group for those round robin matches that should have been against Rafa. Guess we'll find out whent he AA match finishes for sure.

nobama
11-14-2005, 12:29 PM
Pitiful Masters situation at the moment. The way things are going, even Agassi may withdraw.Agassi looks terrible right now. PMac and Brad are seriously depressed. I hope he doesn't withdraw just cause he had a bad day. Although it can't be any fun when you're playing like that.

WF4EVER
11-14-2005, 12:30 PM
Pitiful Masters situation at the moment. The way things are going, even Agassi may withdraw.

Especially considering the spanking he's getting from Davydenko. ESPN mus tbe pulling out hairs right now.

bad gambler
11-14-2005, 12:31 PM
He and Toni were really downplaying his chances, complaining about the court. So I don't think they were confident he could win. Of course he had a shot, but I think others, especially Ljubicic have a better shot.


all a bit of gamesmanship if you ask me - hewitt did exactly the same thing in this AO. complained about the surface in the weeks leading up to the event. Didn't stop him from making the final

Just a shame Nadal withdrew - nadal was going to be fed's biggest test. I know you fed fans won't admit it but the outcome of this tournament has just become academic

Galaxystorm
11-14-2005, 12:32 PM
The withdrawal isn't a great surprise since his ankle got inflamed after Madrid's final and when he was practising on friday with Nalbandian the ankle started to hurt him again..

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=2649602&postcount=17

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=2662957&postcount=38


The reason of his withdrawal is the ankle not the knees

Corey Feldman
11-14-2005, 12:32 PM
Just a shame Nadal withdrew - nadal was going to be fed's biggest test. I know you fed fans won't admit it but the outcome of this tournament has just become academicnot sure about that Cobs, still think Ljubicic could have a say.

1sun
11-14-2005, 12:35 PM
anyone know when hes gonna give a press?

Noelle
11-14-2005, 12:35 PM
Yahoo! Sports says Gaudio beat Nadal via walkover, but it also says that Gaudio vs. Puerta is yet to be played.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/matches?date=2005-11-14

mandoura
11-14-2005, 12:35 PM
all a bit of gamesmanship if you ask me - hewitt did exactly the same thing in this AO. complained about the surface in the weeks leading up to the event. Didn't stop him from making the final

Just a shame Nadal withdrew - nadal was going to be fed's biggest test. I know you fed fans won't admit it but the outcome of this tournament has just become academic

I am not ruling out Nadal was indeed a threat to Roger (specially while he is returning from injury :p ) but I think Ljubicic is the bigger threat. ;) So nothing academic about this tournament, yet. :)

tennyfan
11-14-2005, 12:36 PM
A Puerta v. Ljubicic Final would be interesting in light of Ljubicic's recent comments about Puerta.

bad gambler
11-14-2005, 12:36 PM
not sure about that Cobs, still think Ljubicic could have a say.


fed in straight sets mate ;)

sigmagirl91
11-14-2005, 12:36 PM
:haha: it would be great in a way :rolleyes:

If that happens, everyone in the Gold Group is guaranteed a win...and Davydenko becomes the first semifinalist out of the group.

mallorn
11-14-2005, 12:36 PM
The withdrawal isn't a great surprise since his ankle got inflamed after Madrid's final and when he was practising on friday with Nalbandian the ankle started to hurt him again..

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=2649602&postcount=17

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=2662957&postcount=38


The reason of his withdrawal is the ankle not the knees
I know you mentioned it before, Galaxystorm, I just didn't realise how serious it was. :sad:

Xmanfan
11-14-2005, 12:37 PM
Nadal live on sky sports 1 now apologising to the crowd. french open final replay to follow...!

bad gambler
11-14-2005, 12:37 PM
I am not ruling out Nadal was indeed a threat to Roger (specially while he is returning from injury :p ) but I think Ljubicic is the bigger threat. ;) So nothing academic about this tournament, yet. :)


said like a true fed fan ;)

prima donna
11-14-2005, 12:37 PM
Agassi looks terrible right now. PMac and Brad are seriously depressed. I hope he doesn't withdraw just cause he had a bad day. Although it can't be any fun when you're playing like that.
Bad day in terms of his play (obviously) or bad day in terms of his physical conditioning ? I guess in other words, I'm asking are you implying that this performance was based strictly on his play and there were no underlying conditions ? The Agassi I know (especially on a fast court) could routine DavyDenko even on a "bad day", so it must certainly be health related.

mandoura
11-14-2005, 12:39 PM
Yahoo! Sports says Gaudio beat Nadal via walkover, but it also says that Gaudio vs. Puerta is yet to be played.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/matches?date=2005-11-14

:eek: Yes, they just added it.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

1sun
11-14-2005, 12:39 PM
this is one strange tourny, guys pulling out left right and centre, andre geting bitch slapped, next thing you know gaudio will be lifting the trophy

DhammaTiger
11-14-2005, 12:39 PM
I think it's all confusing. Live Score has Puera- Gaudio match at 12:30 GMT.http://www.livescore.com/tennis.dll

Seraphim
11-14-2005, 12:40 PM
just need federer to withdraw and be replaced by similarly named ferrer to make this tournament spectacular

I think so many in the press wanted federer out with a might and will so oncoming, that karma took it's place and someone else fell out with an injury that had nothing to due with the injury that player was already nursing(or didin't have to begin with. Meaning the well players and alternates).

Next year is a new year.

Denaon
11-14-2005, 12:40 PM
Mariano is there!!! :woohoo:

mandoura
11-14-2005, 12:41 PM
fed in straight sets mate ;)

Stop it. Don't jinx him or, as a true Fed fan :p , I will personally hunt you down. :lol:

Xmanfan
11-14-2005, 12:41 PM
of course I meant french open finalists!!! duh. someone shoot me now!

kali_puerta_fan
11-14-2005, 12:42 PM
13:35 Rafael Nadal walks out onto court, stunning the crowd in his non-tennis clothing. "I am for sure disappointed, I really wanted to play here," the 11-time titlist in 2005 said. "I'm sorry for everyone, fans, press and organisers that I have had to withdraw from the tournament."

13:10 Argentine Mariano Puerta and compatriot Gaston Gaudio will follow Andre Agassi and Nikolay Davydenko's match onto centre court. Please join eurosport.com/.co.uk for live scoring and comments of the Gold Group match.

jtipson
11-14-2005, 12:42 PM
of course I meant french open finalists!!! duh. someone shoot me now!

Not that either ;) Last year's winner against this year's runner-up, in fact.

Ruski
11-14-2005, 12:42 PM
Oh! I am disappointed! :o
I am so looking forward to see Nadal plays....

mandoura
11-14-2005, 12:44 PM
this is one strange tourny, guys pulling out left right and centre, andre geting bitch slapped, next thing you know gaudio will be lifting the trophy

Who knows? Nothing is impossible. That much we know. :lol:

MrExcel
11-14-2005, 12:44 PM
So is Puerta definately in Shanghai and playing??

amierin
11-14-2005, 12:44 PM
I got a call on the way in to work about this. I was hoping it wasn't true but apparently it is.

Fed/Ljubicic in a semi only right?

Tobi
11-14-2005, 12:45 PM
Rafa :sobbing:

Gaudio v Puerta on TMS Cup :tape: :rolls:

Roger will win this %99,Agassi lost too :o

what a tournement It turned to be :ras:

~EMiLiTA~
11-14-2005, 12:45 PM
shite! who'd a thunk it?

that's very disappointing for rafa

so mariano is officially "in" then and gonzo is the alternate now?

Geniey2g
11-14-2005, 12:46 PM
Gee, I wonder how many people are gonna rag on Rafa like they have Roddick....we all know how much he didn't like this surface, and how he and Toni were really playing down his chances....
It pissed me off that Toni was so negative about it.

IDJ49
11-14-2005, 12:46 PM
So is Puerta definately in Shanghai and playing??
As ESPN was pulling away from the Agassi/Davydenko match they showed the screen and you could see Gaudio and Puerta taking the court. So he's definitely still in Shanghai.

shotgun
11-14-2005, 12:47 PM
Bad day in terms of his play (obviously) or bad day in terms of his physical conditioning ? I guess in other words, I'm asking are you implying that this performance was based strictly on his play and there were no underlying conditions ? The Agassi I know (especially on a fast court) could routine DavyDenko even on a "bad day", so it must certainly be health related.

It wouldn't be so bad for the tournament in terms of competition, if Agassi withdraws. If it happens, it means he's unhealthy. And a healthy Gonzo could make more damage than an unhealthy Agassi.

IDJ49
11-14-2005, 12:48 PM
I got a call on the way in to work about this. I was hoping it wasn't true but apparently it is.

Fed/Ljubicic in a semi only right?
Fed/Ljubicic play in the round robin tomorrow and if they both win their semi's then they could meet in the final.

DhammaTiger
11-14-2005, 12:51 PM
Gaudio-Puerta already playing.1-0

mandoura
11-14-2005, 12:52 PM
As ESPN was pulling away from the Agassi/Davydenko match they showed the screen and you could see Gaudio and Puerta taking the court. So he's definitely still in Shanghai.

:yippee:

asotgod
11-14-2005, 12:52 PM
Hope Agassi doesn't withdraw because of the spanking today. The organizers better pay him well to stay. This tournament is virtually dead, especially in terms of promoting tennis in Asia. This sucks right now, only Fed left big name wise.


Just a shame Nadal withdrew - nadal was going to be fed's biggest test. I know you fed fans won't admit it but the outcome of this tournament has just become academic


It's a shame Nadal could not play. I dont believe it is as much the injury as the surface. And that's just my opinion. I think he was plain scared to lose to these guys. I dont think he wanted to lose any psychological advantage especially because the surface does not suit him so well. That does not mean he cannot play on hardcourts either. Neither do I think he is a threat to Federer on any fast surface. Every tournament played on fast that Nadal and Fed have played, Nadal ends up losing on time. So, what makes him a threat then? I wanted him to play Fed in the final and put an end to all unnecessary talks. Guess we'll have to wait till the AUSOPEN should they both make it that far.

No pressure on Fed to lose the rankings in the early sections of next year. So, thanks to Nadal and hope he is fit for next season. No excuses then!

amierin
11-14-2005, 12:53 PM
Rafa played DC on fumes and was close to physical collapse. There was talk that he would pull out of Madrid but he played and won a five set thriller that is one of this years classic matches. I thought it odd that he and Toni continued to rag on the surface and after watching Fed/Nalbandian I wondered how Rafa could play his game on it.

I think people got on Roddick because Roddick has been ducking the big boys all year. Rafa hasn't ducked anyone so I think people, while surprised, will cut him some slack. bummer though. Real bummer.

buzzy
11-14-2005, 12:55 PM
Pitiful Masters situation at the moment. The way things are going, even Agassi may withdraw.
Yes, that's the way the ESPN commentators made it sound. So, if Agassi does withdraw, who is next? Gonzalez or Ferrer? I'm not sure who is even there since they didn't include the alternates in the opening ceremonies (which was obviously a screw-up on their part since Puerta will now play the full tournament yet will not be part of any of the photo history of the event) .

justClaudia
11-14-2005, 12:55 PM
Gaudio- Nadal already playing.


Gaston and Mariano are already playing ;)

euroka1
11-14-2005, 12:56 PM
That's unfortunate. But at least Nadal put in an appearance and had good intentions.

Xmanfan
11-14-2005, 12:58 PM
duh - yes thanks Jo I know! I was in a rush. Last years winner against this years finalist. LET'S GET IT RIGHT YEAH!

Puschkin
11-14-2005, 12:59 PM
It's a shame Nadal could not play. I dont believe it's much of his injury to be honest. And that's just my opinion. I think he was scared plain and simple to lose to these guys.

:confused: Which guys? I don't think that Nadal withdrew because he was afraid of anyone. He proved throughout 2005 that he is not, which BTW I consider one of his greatest strengths.

amierin
11-14-2005, 01:01 PM
Nadal is young. Why risk permanent injury on a surface that he and his coach have complained about from day one? The TMC may be shot to shite but the AO should be slammin'.

And BTW Nadal isn't afraid of anyone, Fed included.

asotgod
11-14-2005, 01:02 PM
I think people got on Roddick because Roddick has been ducking the big boys all year. Rafa hasn't ducked anyone so I think people, while surprised, will cut him some slack. bummer though. Real bummer.

In all honesty, I am no Roddick fan but I dont think he has been ducking anyone this year. He just was not consistent as most fans expected and is probably lacking the killer confidence he used to possess. If Roddick is said to be ducking, then so is Nadal. He has not played any of the big names on hard since Miami, with the exception of Agassi. He has not beaten Hewitt on hard, the same goes for Roddick. And believe you me, I dont think he can beat Safin on hard either (unless Safin unscrews as he does most of the times).
However, you can only play whoever is in front of you. Ain't nothing you can do about that.

DhammaTiger
11-14-2005, 01:02 PM
Gaston and Mariano are already playing ;)
sorry my mistake. Instead of typing Puerta, I wrote Nadal.

Noelle
11-14-2005, 01:04 PM
:confused: Which guys? I don't think that Nadal withdrew because he was afraid of anyone.
:yeah:

I would actually go so far to say that none of the players who withdrew did so because they were afraid to lose.

justClaudia
11-14-2005, 01:06 PM
sorry my mistake. Instead of typing Puerta, I wrote Nadal.


;)

Noelle
11-14-2005, 01:06 PM
He has not beaten Hewitt on hard, the same goes for Roddick.
Roddick beat Hewitt on hard in Cincinnati.

jenanun
11-14-2005, 01:08 PM
rafa... get prepared for the AO....

mallorn
11-14-2005, 01:08 PM
I dont believe it is as much the injury as the surface. And that's just my opinion. I think he was plain scared to lose to these guys.
:bs:

nobama
11-14-2005, 01:08 PM
I think people got on Roddick because Roddick has been ducking the big boys all year. Rafa hasn't ducked anyone so I think people, while surprised, will cut him some slack. bummer though. Real bummer.Roddick played Hewitt in the SF of AO, SF of Indian Wells, played Fed in the finals of Wimbledon and Cincy and Ljubicic in the SF of Paris. You can only play the draw and Hewitt and Safin have been out for much of the year, and Roddick wasn't ever drawn on the same side as Fed. I don't think he's ducked anyone, he just hasn't been as consistent as Rafa ths year.

~EMiLiTA~
11-14-2005, 01:09 PM
Yes, that's the way the ESPN commentators made it sound. So, if Agassi does withdraw, who is next? Gonzalez or Ferrer? I'm not sure who is even there since they didn't include the alternates in the opening ceremonies (which was obviously a screw-up on their part since Puerta will now play the full tournament yet will not be part of any of the photo history of the event) .

exactly...that was so pathetic on the tournament's behalf...now it's backfired on them.

i would love to see ferrer there...but i think it's gonzo who becomes the official alternate

nobama
11-14-2005, 01:10 PM
:bs:I think it's BS too, but some here were suggesting that's why Roddick dropped out - because he didn't want to play Fed or Ivan.

asotgod
11-14-2005, 01:11 PM
:confused: Which guys? I don't think that Nadal withdrew because he was afraid of anyone. He proved throughout 2005 that he is not, which BTW I consider one of his greatest strengths.


Losing to any guy there would have been a mental disadavantage for Nadal IMO. Nevertheless, he would have been able to make it to the semis comfortably and probably play Ljubo or Fed, but I think any more loses to those guys would have exposed other kinks in his armor which he cannot afford now, especially if he loses in straights to Fed who is pretty much match rusty. So, I think it was a great tactical choice especially because he was already complaining about both the surface and his injury. I dont think he has proved he is not afraid of anyone or vice versa. The other top guns also have to be injury free and step up and then we get the match-ups like we had early in AUSOPEN 2005. Till then, IMO, all he has proven is to be able to beat those placed in front of him. And that's ok. He can't go and seek players who are not around or don't make it that far, and vice-versa.

jenanun
11-14-2005, 01:11 PM
if its fake, he doesnt have to travel all the way the shanghai... we knew he has injury on his knee and he might as well make up that excuse rather than creat a new one about his ankle...

mandoura
11-14-2005, 01:11 PM
Nadal is young. Why risk permanent injury on a surface that he and his coach have complained about from day one? The TMC may be shot to shite but the AO should be slammin'.

And BTW Nadal isn't afraid of anyone, Fed included.

:yeah:

Absolutely true. That's what I love about him: No Fear.

mallorn
11-14-2005, 01:12 PM
I think it's BS too, but some here were suggesting that's why Roddick dropped out - because he didn't want to play Fed or Ivan.
That's :bs: too :shrug:

asotgod
11-14-2005, 01:14 PM
Roddick beat Hewitt on hard in Cincinnati.

I meant Nadal has not beaten both Roddick and Hewitt on hard. Sorry for the wrong choice of words.

Noelle
11-14-2005, 01:22 PM
;)

Galaxystorm
11-14-2005, 01:25 PM
It's a shame Nadal could not play. I dont believe it is as much the injury as the surface. And that's just my opinion. I think he was plain scared to lose to these guys.

You need help mate, there are good therapists :rolleyes:

Since Madrid's TMS final has the left foot/ankle injured :silly:

You're right , it's very scary to face Gaudio , Daydenko and an injured Agassi on carpet :rolleyes:

asotgod
11-14-2005, 01:31 PM
You need help mate, there are good therapists :rolleyes:

Since Madrid's TMS final has the left foot/ankle injured :silly:

Everybody needs help. You also need help. We all do. And I am entitled to my opinion just like you are. He said he was injured in Madrid but still played and sure won. This could be viewed either as great courage on his part or pretence. I choose whichever just like you can. That's why they are called opinions. Then he withdraws from Basel though flying there with the intention (supposed or not) to play but did not. We could interpret it either way just like I did about Federer's injury.

You are acting as if you are the direct and correct source of information from the players. No one here is. We are all biased in our own ways and entitled to that as well.

Galaxystorm
11-14-2005, 01:34 PM
Everybody needs help. You also need help. We all do. And I am entitled to my opinion just like you are. He said he was injured in Madrid but still played and sure won. This could be viewed either as great courage on his part or pretence. I choose whichever just like you can. That's why they are called opinions. Then he withdraws from Basel though flying there with the intention (supposed or not) to play but did not. We could interpret it either way just like I did about Federer's injury.

You are acting as if you are the direct and correct source of information from the players. No one here is. We are all biased in our own ways and entitled to that as well.

I can assure he's injured . If you had seen hiim practising in Mallorca without running and harldy moving , you will understand why he's not faking.

Lady
11-14-2005, 01:37 PM
This is just so, so bad!
Masters without most of top player just sucks. :sad:

asotgod
11-14-2005, 01:37 PM
I can assure he's injured . If you had seen hiim practising in Mallorca without running and harldy moving , you will understand why he's not faking.

Fine then. That's all you had to say instead of seeking out a therapist for me. But even that can be interpreted both ways as either being real or faking to confirm what he has already said to the media. They are all just opinions. Enjoy!

Galaxystorm
11-14-2005, 01:39 PM
You are acting as if you are the direct and correct source of information from the players. No one here is. We are all biased in our own ways and entitled to that as well.

I'm not biased . An injury is an injury and when Roger was injured i didn't think he was faking, then i don't understand why you think he was faking when his foot/ankle problems are known , it isn't a new injured .

To think a player withdraws because of being scary , it's an amazing bullshit and only shows how dumb human being can become.

Galaxystorm
11-14-2005, 01:41 PM
Fine then. That's all you had to say instead of seeking out a therapist for me. But even that can be interpreted both ways as either being real or faking to confirm what he has already said to the media. They are all just opinions. Enjoy!

By the way JFK's death was a fake, and he's still alive :silly:

You need help :wavey:

asotgod
11-14-2005, 01:42 PM
I'm not biased . An injury is an injury and when Roger was injured i didn't think he was faking, then i don't understand why you think he was faking when his foot/ankle problems are known , it isn't a new injured .

To think a player withdraws because of being scary , it's an amazing bullshit and only shows how dumb human being can become.

That's fine. Enjoy!

mallorn
11-14-2005, 01:45 PM
And I am entitled to my opinion just like you are.
Opinions are fine as long as they have a sound basis. E.g. if you had followed him closely (in press/interviews etc.), you would not have come up with this BS about him being afraid. Itís his first Masters Cup and he was thrilled about going to Shanghai, thereís no way he would have withdrawn with a fake injury. Not to mention all the points he couldíve gained here. :sad:

asotgod
11-14-2005, 01:50 PM
Opinions are fine as long as they have a sound base. E.g. if you had followed him closely (in press/interviews etc.), you would not have come up with this BS about him being afraid. Itís his first Masters Cup and he was thrilled about going to Shanghai, thereís no way he would have withdrawn with a fake injury. Not to mention all the points he couldíve gained here. :sad:


How do you know if the statements made in press/interviews are true or not? Because he said so, so it must be true? Funny! Look, I am not saying he cannot be telling the truth. At the same time, I am also giving the room for the possibility that he can be telling the fans what we want to hear. It's called diplomacy. You keep treating players like gods. All they say must be true the way they see it. It may or may not be true. There is no heart to tell the mind's expression on the face. Whatever you decide, I rest my case. I am done with this!

gooner88
11-14-2005, 01:53 PM
Unbelievable!
Just got back home expecting to see Nadal-Gaudio and I see Puerta playing. :eek:
Get well soon Rafa and rest up for 2006.

Noelle
11-14-2005, 01:55 PM
Because if they determine that he is faking this injury, he'll be slapped with a fine. Knowing the ATP, they will definitely investigate the truth to the injury because they're losing money over these withdrawals.

I believe Nadal's injury is legitimate.

mangoes
11-14-2005, 01:55 PM
Oh my goodness, get well Rafa............:(

He must be so disappointed.

mangoes
11-14-2005, 02:11 PM
How do you know if the statements made in press/interviews are true or not? Because he said so, so it must be true? Funny! Look, I am not saying he cannot be telling the truth. At the same time, I am also giving the room for the possibility that he can be telling the fans what we want to hear. It's called diplomacy. You keep treating players like gods. All they say must be true the way they see it. It may or may not be true. There is no heart to tell the mind's expression on the face. Whatever you decide, I rest my case. I am done with this!


I agree with you. It's called image control. And I've accused Roddick of doing that but I can see how his die hard fans would be upset. Sometimes, if you look closely, you can see signs that the words are a PR stunt. I predicted long before Roddick withdrew that he would because I saw a PR stunt happening in front of my eyes.

However, Rafa came to Shanghai to play, that's more than obvious. He had been complaining about the court, or his uncle, long before Shanghai. His family came to see him, so this is not a PR stunt, it's bad fortune.............or his PR people are damn good.........lololol. I think he is injured and I'm really sorry this happened to him and I wish him a speedy recovery. :)

mallorn
11-14-2005, 02:12 PM
How do you know if the statements made in press/interviews are true or not? Because he said so, so it must be true? Funny! Look, I am not saying he cannot be telling the truth. At the same time, I am also giving the room for the possibility that he can be telling the fans what we want to hear. It's called diplomacy. You keep treating players like gods. All they say must be true the way they see it. It may or may not be true. There is no heart to tell the mind's expression on the face. Whatever you decide, I rest my case. I am done with this!
I treat no one like god, I'm an atheist :p
As I said, if you had followed him over a longer period of time, you would know better. He comes across as a very honest and down to earth person, certainly not calculating. I don't think he would be saying something untrue just for the sake of fans, as you're insinuating. As for his diplomacy, I wouldn't be so sure, he can be quite outspoken, even if his comments are controversial/unpopular (cf. the DC captain affair and now his complaints about the surface).
And now I must be off, I'll be late for work. Oh, this is such unfortunate news, I never thought this morning that I would use this emoticon so many times :sad:

rue
11-14-2005, 02:24 PM
It is so disappointing to see two big players withdraw on the same day. It will be worse if Federer were to withdraw too. This Masters Cup is no longer exciting.

PaulieM
11-14-2005, 02:41 PM
i didn't think it was possible that more people could pull out of this tournament(i don't mean that literally), i guess the way things have been going, nothing is too crazy anymore. i go to bed for a couple of hours and half the gold group has pulled out. :eek:

gillian
11-14-2005, 02:56 PM
Man, this sucks!

LaTenista
11-14-2005, 03:05 PM
What the hell?!?

Rafa and Andre out, so now does David Ferrer fly in from Spain? :confused:

I can't believe how unreal this TMC is.

Dexter_1986
11-14-2005, 03:12 PM
OMG :sobbing:

What a terrible day for me... First Mary lost and now Rafa withdrew :sad:

I need a hug :awww:

Sugar Kane
11-14-2005, 03:19 PM
I am devastated :hysteric:
Federer is going to be unstoppable!

liptea
11-14-2005, 03:21 PM
Maybe if enough people pull out, Carlos Moya will qualify.

BlackSilver
11-14-2005, 03:43 PM
Maybe if enough people pull out, Carlos Moya will qualify.


:haha: :haha: :haha:

Thanks for saving this thread

RogiFan88
11-14-2005, 03:43 PM
Of all the injured players in the field, Rafa was the last one I thought might pull out. :sad: He can just go sightseeing with family and friends and have a well-deserved rest! ;)

Vamos Gaston!! :)

jtipson
11-14-2005, 03:45 PM
I am devastated :hysteric:
Federer is going to be unstoppable!

I don't think so, actually, but if it's true, it's surely a reason to rejoice ;)

ugotlobbed
11-14-2005, 03:57 PM
ok federer wins for sure now gg

ugotlobbed
11-14-2005, 04:00 PM
wait wait wait wait wait didnt nadal say he was eager when he got to shanghai

celia
11-14-2005, 04:01 PM
Fed still has to deal with Ljubo so it's not a guaranteed thing.

i wonder how much Rafa will be fined for pulling out so late? i wonder why he waited so long to make the decision? this is terrible for the sport. the Chinese must be so angry.

NYCtennisfan
11-14-2005, 04:01 PM
Thiis is just depressing.

Castafiore
11-14-2005, 04:07 PM
Well, in his press conference, Rafa said that he first started to feel pain in his foot during the Madrid final (in the first set). He did not practice for a week after that and started to train again in the following week (only one hour a day to begin with) and he thought that the pain was getting better but that wasn't the case. It was more strong this weekend so on Sunday evening, he went to the hospital for tests and he returned there for more tests this morning.
His Spanish doctor then spoke with the official ATP doctor and with the doctors of the hospital and together they advised him not to play. Rafa said that the final decision was his.

The ATP doctor said that it's an injury to the ligament of the middle of his left foot and that Rafa will have to go back to Spain for more tests to see how long it will take to heal.

NYCtennisfan
11-14-2005, 04:19 PM
the line-up starts to resemble some good old Sopot


LOL!


just need federer to withdraw and be replaced by similarly named ferrer to make this tournament spectacular

hehehehehehe

I feel bad for the fans there in Shanghai. They were expecting the top 8 players minus a couple and at least the Top 2 players in the world there and now they get this mess.

NYCtennisfan
11-14-2005, 04:20 PM
As for Federer winning, Ivan is his biggest challenge anyway. He will in all likelihood have to beat Ivan twice now to win this thing.

buzzy
11-14-2005, 04:22 PM
Fed still has to deal with Ljubo so it's not a guaranteed thing.

i wonder how much Rafa will be fined for pulling out so late? i wonder why he waited so long to make the decision? this is terrible for the sport. the Chinese must be so angry.
Not only the chinese. The ATP must be furious considering that they've been footing the bill for his whole huge entourage there for what, a week now, and he didn't play a single match. :lol:

tangerine_dream
11-14-2005, 04:23 PM
Wow. Look at all these players faking injuries now because they're too afraid to play Ljubacic.

:rolleyes:

/end sarcasm

This TMC is now a full-blown circus.

tennisinparis
11-14-2005, 04:27 PM
well darn, i was hoping to see how Rafa would respond to this surface. it has been a rather depleted last couple of months for the year, making it a boring last couple of months. anyway, can we end the tournament now and just have federer and ljubicic play for the title. i mean with both nadal and agassi out, those are the only two that have any chance whatsoever. lets just let them play it now, and get it over with.

Margy
11-14-2005, 04:28 PM
Maybe if enough people pull out, Carlos Moya will qualify.
:lol: We think alike. Of all years for him to be out of the running :sad: .
I was thinking, Boy if this scenario had happened last year, Carlos could have made the finals! :lol:

acoffeygirl
11-14-2005, 04:56 PM
Maybe if enough people pull out, Carlos Moya will qualify.

You rock! :hug:

mandoura
11-14-2005, 05:33 PM
OMG :sobbing:

What a terrible day for me... First Mary lost and now Rafa withdrew :sad:

I need a hug :awww:

:hug: :hug: :hug: Better? :)

ExpectedWinner
11-14-2005, 05:55 PM
You are acting as if you are the direct and correct source of information from the players. No one here is.

Some of them are claiming to follow Nadal's career since his potty training. :devil:

tetoaguri
11-14-2005, 06:11 PM
Thanks Nadal. I wouldn't have to skip night class today, then... :ras: :hysteric:

On a serious note, I kind of worry this injury will affect his entire carrer.

Dexter_1986
11-14-2005, 06:18 PM
:hug: :hug: :hug: Better? :)Sure ;)

mallorn
11-14-2005, 07:12 PM
Some of them are claiming to follow Nadal's career since his potty training. :devil:
:lol:
BTW, I'm not one of them. And please save the "if the cap fits, wear it" comment :p ;)

musefanatic
11-14-2005, 07:19 PM
This is getting a bit too much for my liking, there's only 3 of the top 8 who have qualified by rights now!

Well whatever, i hope Rafa gets better soon!:)

Galaxystorm
11-14-2005, 07:21 PM
This is what Nadal has said . sorry for my english :

" Iíve done all what i could do to play , but finally it wasnít possible for me to play . I trusted that the excitement about playing would make me forget the injuries. I hadnít said anything to the mass media about my injury , but the pain was always present , iíve always had a continous pain after Madird , even i went to Barcelona two times to be submitted to medical tests but the inflamation hasnít disappeared .

After Madridís final my foot got inflamed and i couldnít practise during the next week and when i resumed my practises again slowly , i made short practises , only one hour , and i hardly made movements.

The pain hadnít never disappeared and on friday ( practising with Nablandian ) increased . Today i didnít practise , i was submitted to medical tests becuase i was practising in pain the previous days .
All the doctors in Spain and China advised me not to play , but always the final decision about playing or not is mine and this time i decided to obey them . I was excited about playing this competition but i think it was a lack of respect towards the rest of players to play against Gaudio knowing that i would have to withdraw during the first match .

Luckily the injury seems to be less serious than i thought , i was afraid my foot was broken , but it isnít broken . I hope to be ready for the Aus open , now i will come back to Spain, will be submitted to medical tests and to take a definitive decision about the recovery process

These are hard moments , hard to assimilate , but i have to accept and assimilate it as soon as possible . The truth is that it has been an incredible year for me and in any moment had to happen me something bad . This injury comes in a bad moment , an injury never comes in a suitable moment though .

This kind of things ( injuries ) hurt you , but in the long run help you to be mentally stronger . "

It seems Agassi has said approximately that Nadal has a very physical playstyle that is playing very hard all the points and maybe it will have him ill effects in the future.

About this comment , Nadal has said :

ď If i served like Roddick, had Federerís forehand and volleyed like Sampras, maybe i would have less injuries

I work every day to improve my game and i know i have to improve some parts of it to give me the possibilty of wear down less during the matches.

The next season maybe i wll have to play less tournaments ".

euroka1
11-14-2005, 07:27 PM
Sad, but I believe he is sincere and genuine about this. Let's hope for all being well for next year. He at lest turned up and had the best of intentions.

sweetiepiedoll
11-14-2005, 07:34 PM
Rafa withdrew from the Shanghai for whatever reasons some of you folks need to get over it. There is always next year - IF he qualifies.

Bluemoon
11-14-2005, 07:34 PM
I'm so disappointed that Nadal withdrew.
I don't think he is faking, and I hope he is O.K..

Clara Bow
11-14-2005, 07:36 PM
Thanks galaxystorm for once again providing some great info!

I would give you a good rep but
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Galaxystorm again.

:)


It seems Agassi has said approximately that Nadal has a very physical playstyle that is playing very hard all the points and maybe it will have him ill effects in the future.

About this comment , Nadal has said :

ď If i served like Roddick, had Federerís forehand and volleyed like Sampras, maybe i would have less injuries

I work every day to improve my game and i know i have to improve some parts of it to give me the possibilty of wear down less during the matches.

This is one thing that I really like about Nadal. He has always been very honest in that he needs to improve his game and that there are areas that are lacking. He does not strike me as arrogant at all in regards to his game. He does seem to really work on it too- his serve has improved a good amount this year in my opinion.

amierin
11-14-2005, 07:41 PM
Once again the truth overshadows the haters. Thanks galaxy storm.

ExpectedWinner
11-14-2005, 07:49 PM
:lol:
BTW, I'm not one of them. And please save the "if the cap fits, wear it" comment :p ;)

What? I have no idea who you are. I don't follow your posts. In fact, I can't remember any single one of yours. :shrug: I've never mentioned you in my posts.

rue
11-14-2005, 08:41 PM
We all know just how much Nadal loves to play tennis. His uncle at times thought he overplayed, but he went right on ahead and played. He is definitely hurting and I feel sorry for him. I think that he has a good chance of qualifying again next year. The tournament is just no longer exciting now that Federer is the only left in the field.

Geniey2g
11-14-2005, 08:57 PM
Maybe if enough people pull out, Carlos Moya will qualify.
LOL!! :lol:

Geniey2g
11-14-2005, 09:00 PM
and lol @ whoever made that Sopot comment; this is comedy, mate.

PaulieM
11-14-2005, 09:03 PM
:lol: We think alike. Of all years for him to be out of the running :sad: .
I was thinking, Boy if this scenario had happened last year, Carlos could have made the finals! :lol:
i wish :(

MariaV
11-14-2005, 09:16 PM
This is one thing that I really like about Nadal. He has always been very honest in that he needs to improve his game and that there are areas that are lacking. He does not strike me as arrogant at all in regards to his game. He does seem to really work on it too- his serve has improved a good amount this year in my opinion.

Clara, he really has improved his serve since the beginning of the year and he is improving and hopefully will continue to improve. :D

DhammaTiger
11-14-2005, 09:17 PM
Galaxystorm, thanks for the posting. I am really depressed for Rafa. I saw how he practises in Stuttgart last year and he is very serious. As for those who are saying or implying that Rafa is faking it, they should grow up. Such cynicism doesn't deserve anything except contempt from me and all fair minded people.

Galaxystorm
11-14-2005, 09:18 PM
Clara, he really has improved his serve since the beginning of the year and he is improving and hopefully will continue to improve. :D

I've just read a interview of him telling that his main goal for 2006 is to improve his game and above all his service .

Bubba08
11-14-2005, 09:19 PM
What a pity! :sad:

mallorn
11-14-2005, 09:28 PM
What? I have no idea who you are. I don't follow your posts. In fact, I can't remember any single one of yours. :shrug: I've never mentioned you in my posts.
If you had read this thread, you might have seen one or two of my posts :shrug: When asotgod earlier speculated that Rafa withdrew because he was afraid of the other players, I pointed out to him/her that it was an opinion inconsistent with everything we know about Nadal and that he/she should get to know more about him before saying something like that, which then led to asotgod saying (to Galaxystorm): ďYou are acting as if you are the direct and correct source of information from the players. No one here isĒ and then to your post. I know you didnít mention me directly, but I responded cause I was one of the people who commented on this. I assumed you had read before posting, my bad.
Oh, and I honestly laughed at your comment and never expected that my response would annoy you. Damn, I keep getting misunderstood here whenever I say something that I donít intend to be serious :banghead: :wavey:

ExpectedWinner
11-14-2005, 09:37 PM
I honestly laughed at your comment and never expected that my response would annoy you. Damn, I keep getting misunderstood here whenever I say something that I donít intend to be serious :banghead: :wavey:

Chill out, mate. You don't annoy me. :wavey:

DhammaTiger
11-14-2005, 09:40 PM
In all honesty, I am no Roddick fan but I dont think he has been ducking anyone this year. He just was not consistent as most fans expected and is probably lacking the killer confidence he used to possess. If Roddick is said to be ducking, then so is Nadal. He has not played any of the big names on hard since Miami, with the exception of Agassi. He has not beaten Hewitt on hard, the same goes for Roddick. And believe you me, I dont think he can beat Safin on hard either (unless Safin unscrews as he does most of the times).
However, you can only play whoever is in front of you. Ain't nothing you can do about that.
I think you are mistaken, Rafa Nadal never ducked anyone. If Roddick or Hewitt were not drawn against him, how would he play them? If the opportunity arrives he will play them.Rafa has proven to everyone that he is not afraid to play tennis against anyone win or lose. He is only 19 and is consistently striving to improve.So, please don't accuse players of ducking just it because it makes you happy to do so.
My heart goes out to him because he is in pain.

TenHound
11-14-2005, 09:50 PM
Everybody else, in far better shape has pulled out, so it's long past time for Federer to toss in the towel as well. He should NOT endanger his body & wreck his record for the year, just to sell tickets. Screw 'em, Roger. Get the hell out of there & let your ankle heal.

Flibbertigibbet
11-14-2005, 09:51 PM
I'm really disappointed at all these withdrawals, to say the least. I mean, true, even before the tournament started, it wasn't in the best shape, but, if all were healthy, Agassi, Nalbandian, Federer, Ljubicic, and Nadal could have had some entertaining matches. And it's too bad for the one among Nalbandian, Federer, and Ljubicic who won't qualify (well, assuming that Coria won't be able to muster wins over Nalbandian and Federer). Far from the best way to end the year - I hope it isn't a harbinger for things to come at the Australian Open.

I hope Nadal, Agassi, and the rest will get better quickly.

NyGeL
11-14-2005, 10:19 PM
Shangai surface was very fast for nadal :p

tangerine_dream
11-14-2005, 10:47 PM
I guess it's just too much for people to really believe that a player could actually be injured when he says he is.

I don't think any of the players are ducking out of Shanghai to avoid someone else. That idea is just beyond ridiculous. In the hyper-competitive world of professional sports, it would be antithesis to their character. Unless you're just trolling for pennies like tennischick, myskinalova or euroka always do, no intelligent person who understands the psychology of sports actually believes that any of these players are faking an injury and certainly not to "avoid" someone else.

megadeth
11-14-2005, 11:16 PM
i was hoping for a fed-nadal final since both won 4 masters this year. it was only fitting they fight for the TMC!

damn!

like wertheim said, lame excuses..... i doubt rafa and andre is that injured anyway. rafa didn't like the court in the 1st place and probably didn't want the prospect of losing (the press would jump right on it).

and andre, hoo boy, the tournament manager's dream or nightmare is at it again, withdrawing past the 11th hour....i like andre, but whnever he pulls of stunts like this, i get pissed really bad at him!

and you call yourselves as good ambassadors to the game!

if there was anyone who had a valid excuse not to paly, it would be marat and roger since they came from very serious injuries and was already known beforehand and didn't come out as a surprise...

Clara Bow
11-14-2005, 11:28 PM
i doubt rafa and andre is that injured anyway.

So I guess the ATP doctors that Rafa saw in Shanghai, the doctors that he has seen in Spain for the issue in the past two weeks for his ligament, the doctors who advised him not to play, the people who administered his tests on Sunday and Monday morning, and the ATP doctor that spoke today at the press confernce who has examined Rafa and discussed the injury were all figments of his imagination?

Sportec wrote that his medical report stated:

The patient shows pain in the peroneal ligament of his left foot that has gotten stronger in the last two days. After analyzing the results it's recommended that he doesn't play the Masters Cup

The doctors told Rafa that he should not play. He heeded their advice. It's that simple.

Castafiore
11-15-2005, 12:05 AM
if there was anyone who had a valid excuse not to paly, it would be marat and roger since they came from very serious injuries and was already known beforehand and didn't come out as a surprise...
It's perhaps a question of believing who you want to believe? :shrug:
Rafa's injury was also known beforehand (go and read Galaxystorm's comments this week for example) so it's not really a surprise if you were paying attention. Furthermore - as Clara Bow writes - the injury was examined by 1) his own doctor, 2) the ATP doctor and 3) the doctors in the hospital in Shanghai this weekend so why question all that?

Galaxystorm
11-15-2005, 12:12 AM
Nadal says that even when he walks he feels pain .

DhammaTiger
11-15-2005, 12:12 AM
megadeth, I think you are living on another planet if you didn't know that Rafa has an injury since before the Madrid Masters, and that he was doubtful to play even there. As for Andre and the rest who withdrew, I think each of them is genuinely injured. I doubt that any pro worth his salt would fake an injury to get out of winning a tournament. So, I suggest instead of wallowing in cynicism towards your fellow human being, is to practise some compassion towards these fellow humans.

Deivid23
11-15-2005, 12:18 AM
I know this board is full of trolls but thinking/suggesting Nadalīs injury is a fake is beyond ridiculous. :retard:

Galaxystorm
11-15-2005, 12:24 AM
All the players dream of qualifying for the TMC , and if it's his first TMC ( Nadal's case ) the excitement for playing is even bigger.

I think it is a great bullshit to think that a player being 19 years old and being his first TMC can fake an injury when he was waiting for this competition since several months ago . Players being 19 years old don't fake injuries , even they play matches being injured ( youth thoughtlessness )

artlinkletter
11-15-2005, 12:30 AM
If Nadal was faking it, I highly doubt he would have waited until 2 hours before the match was to start, to withdraw. I think he came to Shanghai, to see whether or not he would feel better and clearly, I guess he doesn't. I think Nadal also would never drop out when he knows Roger is not at his best form and has a good chance of beating him. For him to let this opportunity pass him by, is highly unlikely.

Deivid23
11-15-2005, 12:36 AM
Having a go at the funny thread, here Iīve collected 3 funny paragraphs and spread some ratings (in :retard: icons). Watch out these pearls of wisdom:

Gee, I wonder how many people are gonna rag on Rafa like they have Roddick....we all know how much he didn't like this surface, and how he and Toni were really playing down his chances....

:retard: Never-ending-Federer-trolling mirkaland strikes again with another stupid assumption.

i wonder how much Rafa will be fined for pulling out so late? i wonder why he waited so long to make the decision? this is terrible for the sport. the Chinese must be so angry.

:retard: :retard: Yeah, Nadal should be fined all this year earnings for having an injury, makes perfect sense


And the big prize goes to..... (drum roll here)


It's a shame Nadal could not play. I dont believe it is as much the injury as the surface. And that's just my opinion. I think he was plain scared to lose to these guys. I dont think he wanted to lose any psychological advantage especially because the surface does not suit him so well.


:retard: :retard: :retard: Not much to add, asotgod simply had too much for his troll fellas and is a well deserved winner of the dumbest post in this thread. Brilliant stuff.

mandoura
11-15-2005, 12:59 AM
This is one thing that I really like about Nadal. He has always been very honest in that he needs to improve his game and that there are areas that are lacking. He does not strike me as arrogant at all in regards to his game. He does seem to really work on it too- his serve has improved a good amount this year in my opinion.

Yes it did but what I find amazingly improved is his backhand. :eek:

mandoura
11-15-2005, 01:02 AM
megadeth, I think you are living on another planet if you didn't know that Rafa has an injury since before the Madrid Masters, and that he was doubtful to play even there. As for Andre and the rest who withdrew, I think each of them is genuinely injured. I doubt that any pro worth his salt would fake an injury to get out of winning a tournament. So, I suggest instead of wallowing in cynicism towards your fellow human being, is to practise some compassion towards these fellow humans.

Good post. :)

nobama
11-15-2005, 01:16 AM
:retard: Never-ending-Federer-trolling mirkaland strikes again with another stupid assumption. No it's not a stupid assumption jackass. There were plenty of people here who didn't think Roddick's injury was legit, so I wanted to know how many would say the same about Rafa. For the record I don't think Rafa is faking anything, but then I didn't think Roddick was either.

Deivid23
11-15-2005, 01:20 AM
No it's not a stupid assumption jackass. There were plenty of people here who didn't think Roddick's injury was legit, so I wanted to know how many would say the same about Rafa. For the record I don't think Rafa is faking anything, but then I didn't think Roddick was either.

Yes it is, you donīt even realize of it cause you only can speak about how great Federer is. Stick to your Federer asskissing role, dear. ;)

Galaxystorm
11-15-2005, 09:38 AM
According to the doctors if he had played in Shanghai there was a great of risk of breaking his peronial ligament and to be 3 months out of the courts

Chloe le Bopper
11-15-2005, 12:48 PM
According to the doctors if he had played in Shanghai there was a great of risk of breaking his peronial ligament and to be 3 months out of the courts
THAT BASTARD. HE SHOULD HAVE PLAYED ANYWAYZ YO.

DhammaTiger
11-15-2005, 12:58 PM
All the players dream of qualifying for the TMC , and if it's his first TMC ( Nadal's case ) the excitement for playing is even bigger.

I think it is a great bullshit to think that a player being 19 years old and being his first TMC can fake an injury when he was waiting for this competition since several months ago . Players being 19 years old don't fake injuries , even they play matches being injured ( youth thoughtlessness )
Well said. :worship:

MIRE
11-15-2005, 01:06 PM
I'm not posting here often but as long as a red , here are Nadal haters - Fed lovers or viceversa that just can't get over their sympathy for one or another and just be fair .

amierin
11-15-2005, 02:21 PM
According to the doctors if he had played in Shanghai there was a great of risk of breaking his peronial ligament and to be 3 months out of the courts

If there was a risk of him tearing his ligament they would do surgery to repair it. If it's just stretched it's better for him to stay off of it as much as possible and rest. Rest is maybe a few weeks. Surgery would be months.

Chloe le Bopper
11-15-2005, 04:03 PM
THAT BASTARD. HE SHOULD HAVE PLAYED ANYWAYZ YO.
Okay, seriously. The Nadatards who bad repped me for this... SERIOUSLY. Get a clue.

Deivid23
11-15-2005, 11:08 PM
Okay, seriously. The Nadatards who bad repped me for this... SERIOUSLY. Get a clue.

:lol:

DrJules
11-15-2005, 11:39 PM
All the doctor reports indicate that Nadal was injured. My only criticism is that he should have realised he would not be able to play 5 matches and told the organisers slightly earlier to give his replacement more time to adjust to the situation. I feel that it was clear a day or more earlier that he should not play.

Galaxystorm
11-16-2005, 06:45 PM
Today in Barcelona , Nadal has been submitted to : 2 computed tomographies ( normal and three-dimensional ) , a magnetic resonance and a gammagraphy . The results of these 4 tests will be known in 24-36 hours.