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Why Hard Courts?

BATES
11-10-2005, 06:29 PM
I'm just wondering.. why 70% of the tournaments are played on hard courts?
Not counting:
2 out of 4 Grand Slams
6 out of 9 Masters Series
Tennis Masters Cup

IMO, games on clay courts are much better: You can see long and pretty good rallies, earning points requires more than just strenght or fast serves, you need more technique.
I think there should be an equal number of clay and hard courts tournaments which should help to have a more realistic ranking. There's no doubt Federer and Nadal should be top 2, but the rest...

RaVeR
11-10-2005, 07:21 PM
coz game is better on Hard courts!

AgassiDomination
11-10-2005, 07:24 PM
I'm just wondering.. why 70% of the tournaments are played on hard courts?
Not counting:
2 out of 4 Grand Slams
6 out of 9 Masters Series
Tennis Masters Cup

IMO, games on clay courts are much better: You can see long and pretty good rallies, earning points requires more than just strenght or fast serves, you need more technique.
I think there should be an equal number of clay and hard courts tournaments which should help to have a more realistic ranking. There's no doubt Federer and Nadal should be top 2, but the rest...

Shh

prima donna
11-10-2005, 07:25 PM
Hard Courts are the most neutral surface, like it or not. Clay is far from neutral, unless you're from a 3rd world country.

madmanfool
11-10-2005, 07:30 PM
The clay court season is more then long enough as it is, even when the hard court season is, there are still some tournaments on clay for the gravel specialists.
they better make the grass season a little longer, that would give a more appropriate ranking

Galaxystorm
11-10-2005, 08:34 PM
% of tournaments played on each surface in 2005 calendar

* Hard :.....44.77 %
* Clay :.....35.82 %
* Carpet:...10.44 %
* Grass :....8.95 %

El Legenda
11-10-2005, 08:43 PM
I'm just wondering.. why 70% of the tournaments are played on hard courts?
Not counting:
2 out of 4 Grand Slams
6 out of 9 Masters Series
Tennis Masters Cup

IMO, games on clay courts are much better: You can see long and pretty good rallies, earning points requires more than just strenght or fast serves, you need more technique.
I think there should be an equal number of clay and hard courts tournaments which should help to have a more realistic ranking. There's no doubt Federer and Nadal should be top 2, but the rest...

Tennis Masters Cup is not Hard Courts and 6 of 9 TMS are not hard courts. Cincy,Canada,IW and Miami are only hard courts.

so its 4/9 HC 3/9 on Clay and 2/9 Indoor. pretty even to me, they need a 3rd Indoor to even it out, take one away from HC. ;)

revolution
11-10-2005, 08:44 PM
What about grass, that's as important a surface as the others!

Hard is the fairest surface though.. clay wouldn't suit the Ljubicics, and grass/carpet wouldn't suit the Gaudios. So yes, it's right to play HC.

revolution
11-10-2005, 08:45 PM
Tennis Masters Cup is not Hard Courts and 6 of 9 TMS are not hard courts. Cincy,Canada,IW and Miami are only hard courts.

so its 4/9 HC 3/9 on Clay and 2/9 Indoor. pretty even to me, they need a 3rd Indoor to even it out, take one away from HC. ;)

Take one away from HC, but let's have a grass AMS... :cool:

Galaxystorm
11-10-2005, 08:47 PM
What about grass, that's as important a surface as the others!.

In some parts of the world it is said " Grass is for the cows " :lol:

revolution
11-10-2005, 08:50 PM
In some parts of the world it is said " Grass is for the cows " :lol:

It is the original tennis surface... :)

Seleshfan
11-10-2005, 08:52 PM
I know that the women like it hard, most of them anyway. I know a lot of guys who like it hard too. A hard one is much better than a soft one if you ask me.

ae wowww
11-10-2005, 08:54 PM
Where can you have a hard court? You need no specific climate, or expensive maintenance, or materials.

Practically every other surface is different ;)

Galaxystorm
11-10-2005, 08:55 PM
It is the original tennis surface... :)

were there already cows in the Eden ? :cuckoo:

lau
11-10-2005, 08:55 PM
were there already cows in the Eden ? :cuckoo:
:haha: :haha:

jenanun
11-10-2005, 08:58 PM
Take one away from HC, but let's have a grass AMS... :cool:

too expensive to look after grasscourt i guess...

revolution
11-10-2005, 09:02 PM
too expensive to look after grasscourt i guess...

Not really, Halle or Queens could be converted... :D

BlackSilver
11-10-2005, 09:25 PM
Where can you have a hard court? You need no specific climate, or expensive maintenance, or materials.

Practically every other surface is different ;)

Exactly.

Or in other words: it's cheaper :)

BlackSilver
11-10-2005, 09:30 PM
Tennis Masters Cup is not Hard Courts and 6 of 9 TMS are not hard courts. Cincy,Canada,IW and Miami are only hard courts.

so its 4/9 HC 3/9 on Clay and 2/9 Indoor. pretty even to me, they need a 3rd Indoor to even it out, take one away from HC. ;)

Indoor can't be considered a surface.

5/9 hard-courts, 3/9 clay, 1/9 carpet

madmanfool
11-10-2005, 09:51 PM
there's no master series event on grass, not very fair either

BATES
11-10-2005, 10:49 PM
% of tournaments played on each surface in 2005 calendar

* Hard :.....44.77 %
* Clay :.....35.82 %
* Carpet:...10.44 %
* Grass :....8.95 %

Percentajes in pints are differnet, besides I haven't made a differnece berween Hard and Carpet courts. IMHO they are the same.

NYCtennisfan
11-11-2005, 12:27 AM
Easy to take care of, neutrality and fairness in results.

revolution
11-11-2005, 12:31 AM
Also add to that Gaudio gets in to TMC by clay results, yet someone Karlovic cannot get within miles of the TMC by getting results on his surface. That's why I think there should be more grass, and also because I love the surface :D

BlackSilver
11-11-2005, 12:31 AM
neutrality and fairness in results.

And what makes you think that organizers cares about these things?

NyGeL
11-11-2005, 01:30 AM
USA have most tournaments on Hard, that's why.

In clay you can see the real tennis style, you have to play good tennis to be a top player. But in Hard or Grass you can rule them all just with your serve :S

lau
11-11-2005, 01:33 AM
USA have most tournaments on Hard, that's why.

In clay you can see the real tennis style, you have to play good tennis to be a top player. But in Hard or Grass you can rule them all just with your serve :S
Good tennis can be played in any surface. ;)

revolution
11-11-2005, 11:08 AM
USA have most tournaments on Hard, that's why.

In clay you can see the real tennis style, you have to play good tennis to be a top player. But in Hard or Grass you can rule them all just with your serve :S

On outdoor hard courts the baseliners can cut the big servers down, it even happens on grass these days that the most technicially gifted players beat the ball bashing powerhouses.

Action Jackson
11-12-2005, 01:39 AM
There is no such thing as a neutral tennis surface.

El Legenda
11-12-2005, 01:41 AM
USA have most tournaments on Hard, that's why.

In clay you can see the real tennis style, you have to play good tennis to be a top player. But in Hard or Grass you can rule them all just with your serve :S

right... clay is not real tennis, clay is for out of shaped players. so they can get to every ball. :wavey:

Action Jackson
11-12-2005, 01:42 AM
right... clay is not real tennis, clay is for out of shaped players. so they can get to every ball. :wavey:

Good to see you have not lost your comedic skills.

nkhera1
11-12-2005, 01:55 AM
There is no such thing as a neutral tennis surface.

I feel the Ace Rebound surface is pretty fair as it creates higher bounces and allows players like Coria and Nadal to do well as well as Roddick.

Action Jackson
11-12-2005, 02:05 AM
I feel the Ace Rebound surface is pretty fair as it creates higher bounces and allows players like Coria and Nadal to do well as well as Roddick.

Yes, in theory that's the case, but they can and do still manipulate the speed of the courts just like they can with the other surfaces, that would not happen if it was a strictly neutral surface.

El Legenda
11-12-2005, 02:07 AM
Good to see you have not lost your comedic skills.

:yeah: I try :D

NyGeL
11-12-2005, 03:23 AM
Good tennis can be played in any surface. ;)

i mean, Clay style is the most artistic :)

its.like.that
11-12-2005, 03:41 AM
Tennis Masters Cup is not Hard Courts and 6 of 9 TMS are not hard courts. Cincy,Canada,IW and Miami are only hard courts.

so its 4/9 HC 3/9 on Clay and 2/9 Indoor. pretty even to me, they need a 3rd Indoor to even it out, take one away from HC. ;)

Indoor is not a surface, it simply means that there is a roof over the top of the court.

:retard:

Indoor surfaces vary from tourney to tourney, and some of them are hardcourt.

its.like.that
11-12-2005, 03:45 AM
:yeah: I try :D

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/spezial/Fool/crazy.gif

its.like.that
11-12-2005, 03:46 AM
There is no such thing as a neutral tennis surface.

what about if behind the baseline there was clay, from baseline-service line there was hardcourt, and in the service boxes there was grass.

:D

Action Jackson
11-12-2005, 05:11 AM
what about if behind the baseline there was clay, from baseline-service line there was hardcourt, and in the service boxes there was grass.

:D

:p

The day that happens, then we will have honest politicians.

Aphex
11-12-2005, 05:25 AM
what about if behind the baseline there was clay, from baseline-service line there was hardcourt, and in the service boxes there was grass.

:D :lol:

That would certainly take care of the tour's present injury-o-rama. Change surface not every few months, but every point.

stebs
11-12-2005, 07:36 AM
hard courts are the most neutral. before anyone bites my head off im not saying they are neutral because they do still favour some players but they are the most neutral surface although it does vary depending on which hard court.

as for the other talk on this thread i agree that grass should get a masters. Queens should just become a masters imo. they should take one away from the hardcourts.

Action Jackson
11-12-2005, 07:52 AM
hard courts are the most neutral. before anyone bites my head off im not saying they are neutral because they do still favour some players but they are the most neutral surface although it does vary depending on which hard court.

How can something be most neutral? There is a bias in all of the surfaces and that has to be acknowledged, and each bias reflects differently, so most neutral doesn't exist.

monicain
11-14-2005, 07:07 AM
Hardcourt is not neutral. It favors bunches of guys who are hardcourt lovers. It just happens that the group comprised of a lot of players. But what about ones who don't like hardcourt? Do you think hardcourt is a very neutral to them?

To say one surface is the most neutral is as stupid as saying, like in George Orwell's Animal Farm, 'all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.'...lol :o

budz
11-14-2005, 08:26 AM
I think they should play the Masters Cup on a slower hard court so its fair for all involved. That gives clay courters more of a chance.