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Nadal supporters delusional

kasgill
11-07-2005, 01:03 PM
i think the nadal supporters who think he is gong to be numer one are insane roger has won 5 grandslams in two years he has only lost 3 time this year while nadal plays far more tounaments and in reality federer had the year end number 1 wraped up very early nadal is not close to roger and never will be. he is not an allcourt player and he never will be.

Galaxystorm
11-07-2005, 01:07 PM
i think the nadal supporters who think he is gong to be numer one are insane roger has won 5 grandslams in two years he has only lost 3 time this year while nadal plays far more tounaments and in reality federer had the year end number 1 wraped up very early nadal is not close to roger and never will be. he is not an allcourt player and he never will be.

When Roger was 19 he was an all-courter ?? :rolleyes:

kasgill
11-07-2005, 01:08 PM
hewitt was better than roger at 19 look at him now

chicco77
11-07-2005, 01:11 PM
Fed is and will stay the best . Fedexpress roxxxxxxxxxxxx

Kristen
11-07-2005, 01:14 PM
I like to use punctuation when I type, personally.

Anything can happen. injuries, a slump... just plain old going-off-the-boil. I think Nadal could get there. I don't especially know or care if it happens as I'm a fan of nobody mentioned in this thread so far (though Roger is cool) :)

Galaxystorm
11-07-2005, 01:15 PM
hewitt was better than roger at 19 look at him now

Isn't the current Roger much better than when he was 19 ??

Why the current Nadal can't improve ??

I have no idea if Nadal will be able to be number one, but i don't understand why some persons compare the current Federer with the current Nadal when this isn't objective , Nadal is still developing his game and Federer hardly has things to improve ..

Within some years we will know the answer, meanwhile it isn't ver unfair to compare Nadal with Federer

chicco77
11-07-2005, 01:18 PM
I have no idea if Nadal will be able to be number one, but i don't understand why some persons compare the current Federer with the current Nadal when this isn't objective , Nadal is still developing his game and Federer hardly has things to improve ..

Within some years we will know the answer, meanwhile it isn't ver unfair to compare Nadal with Federer


Fed has to improve his backhand.

jenanun
11-07-2005, 01:21 PM
some federer supporters are delusional, think he can stay on top forever....

dont get me wrong, i like federer, but no one can be no.1 forever! people have to accept the fact that one day, he will be taken over, if not nadal, some day, somebody will!!!

but i still think nadal can be world on.1 someday, maybe not next year, maybe not take it from federer.... but he will!!

Galaxystorm
11-07-2005, 01:25 PM
Fed has to improve his backhand.

I meant that when a player is 24 as Federer is right now you have a little margin of improvement in your shots, that is you can improve a bit this shot, but if you hasn't been able to hit it amazingly so far , it's very difficult that you can improve a lot this shot in the future.

Fed's backhand can still improve , above all hitting high balls and in his backhand return , but his margin of improvement is very limited , on the other hand Nadal can still learn to volley , to hit more flat, to be more aggressive etc, it's only a matter of age

Castafiore
11-07-2005, 01:29 PM
If Nadal supporters are insane and delusional for thinking that he has the possibility to become the number one than we're in good company. :)

Federer said that he believed that Nadal would be the next number one and McEnroe also said Nadal has the game to challenge him for the top spot.

tangerine_dream
11-07-2005, 01:37 PM
This place needs more Fed trolls.

bokehlicious
11-07-2005, 01:40 PM
This place needs more Fed trolls.

Let the fed bashers join this thread, a place for them too !!! :o

Deea
11-07-2005, 01:44 PM
I don't find it fair, either to compare Nadal with Federer right now! There are so many different things...first of all the age! Nadal is only 19 years old, an age at which he is developing his game while Federer is 24 and his game is really complete! I think Nadal will be number one...maybe not next year but someday not very far...And Federer will not be nr.1 forever. If not Nadal, somone else will take his place sooner or later! That's the way the system goes, I guess..

Galaxystorm
11-07-2005, 01:49 PM
It's funny the bad memmory of some persons thinking that Fed was already an all-surface player when he was young..

At the current Nadal's age , Federer's record on clay was 3 wins and 12 losses , even he lost in a row his first 11 matches on clay ..

With this stat i only try to mean that watching this Fed's stat maybe someone could say in 2000 ( this player will be a bad player on clay in the future ) and nowadays we all know that there are only few players on tour better than Federer on clay . Federer learnt to play on clay .. Why can't Nadal to learn to play on carpet and grass ??

Nadal is improving day after day , some months ago people said he was just a claycourter and he has shown that this was a bad definition since he has won two TMS on hard and reached another final .
Some months ago it was almost impossible to think that he could win a TMS at indoors and he has done it , i mean he's improving day after day and his game and playstyle on carpet and grass will improve ...How much he will improve ?? Nobody can answer this question, but as i have said before , to compare the current Nadal with the current Federer is an outrage . Nadal needs time to show how much all-surface player he can become...

savesthedizzle
11-07-2005, 01:52 PM
i think the nadal supporters who think he is gong to be numer one are insane roger has won 5 grandslams in two years he has only lost 3 time this year while nadal plays far more tounaments and in reality federer had the year end number 1 wraped up very early nadal is not close to roger and never will be. he is not an allcourt player and he never will be.


Well, when the people in white jackets come to take the Nadal fans away to the loony bin, we'll be sure to throw you in there too because anyone who thinks a player has maxed out his talent and potential at the age of 19, when there are definitely many areas left to improve in the players game, deserves to be taken away with the rest of them.

kasgill
11-07-2005, 01:52 PM
federer actually grew up on clay and indoors he also won his firs t.m.s on clay so his first 20 matches on clay doesnt tell the whole story.

prima donna
11-07-2005, 02:14 PM
Nadal's style of tennis is defensive, what makes him so special is his amazing ability to transition from one defense to offense almost on a dime. He possesses amazing reflexes, but much of his game is largely based upon scrambling & natural athletic abilities.

Roger has a much more mature game and is quite plentiful in variety.

1). Baseline
2). Volley
3). That amazing slice.
4). That amazing forehand.
5). That amazing when it needs to be and yet still has rule to improve backhand.
6). Impeccable serving placement.

The only areas that I feel Rafa can improve in without butchering his game would be his serve, sadly, can anyone picture Nadal on Center Court @ Wimbledon slicing & dicing his opponent from corner to corner ? Sure, Borg won wimbledon with much the same style of play; however, these are different times folks.

To win on grass you need:
1). A very potent and effective serve.
2). You need to be an offensive juggernaut.

Hardly any defensive player aside from Borg's 1975 - 1980 Wimbledon reign has had much success on grass, Nadal is capable of playing on all surfaces ... really only part of his game to make improvement on would be grass and that'd require a complete face lift.

The grass is just not kind to this new breed of player, a classic striker of the ball (flat & low / slices / etc ) has the advantage on grass always. :)

liptea
11-07-2005, 02:16 PM
Is it the new vogue to create threads of rampant nonsense about top players? Was there an official GM memo sent out or something?

Galaxystorm
11-07-2005, 02:19 PM
federer actually grew up on clay and indoors he also won his firs t.m.s on clay so his first 20 matches on clay doesnt tell the whole story.

The whole story are two years of results, not 11 matches played in 11 consecutive days .
If you don't want to accept the obviousness that the young Fed still didn't know the secrets to play on clay as a pro ( i don't care juniors record because for instance Nadal reached Wimbly semifinals and this fact doesn't mean he's a good grasscourter ), this fact will show how biased you are , because even you deny the obviousness .

Watching your post it seems clay isn't Fed's worst surface but his best surface ...i have learnt a new thing :rolleyes:

Do you know the first Nadal's final was on hard and not on clay, and this fact doesn't mean he's a better hardcouter than claycouter :o

savesthedizzle
11-07-2005, 02:22 PM
Is it the new vogue to create threads of rampant nonsense about top players? Was there an official GM memo sent out or something?


It is. You mean, you didn't get it?

:secret: I'll fax you my copy later.

liptea
11-07-2005, 02:25 PM
It is. You mean, you didn't get it?

:secret: I'll fax you my copy later.

Dammit, I must have missed that one. Thanks Jess.

Just wait till I start my "Novak is SucKyYyy THrEaD BouTt Y AlL .3435 of NOlE's fAns R PsYcHo!!111" Just for you.

savesthedizzle
11-07-2005, 02:27 PM
Dammit, I must have missed that one. Thanks Jess.

Just wait till I start my "Novak is SucKyYyy THrEaD BouTt Y AlL .3435 of NOlE's fAns R PsYcHo!!111" Just for you.


Awww, you're going to have to wait a while to start that one my dear. The memo said "Top Players ONLY".

Be nice to him today though. He's under the knife as we speak.

liptea
11-07-2005, 02:30 PM
Awww, you're going to have to wait a while to start that one my dear. The memo said "Top Players ONLY".

Be nice to him today though. He's under the knife as we speak.


OH! We can only insult people with fans? Because..last time I checked, Nole had maybe 5.26.

Poor Novak. The details are in the memo.

WF4EVER
11-07-2005, 02:34 PM
I really don't see the difference in comparing the players when they were the same age; they are both playing at the same time.

Roger can improve in a few areas but I doubt he will unless he's pushed to by better competition. Nadal also can improve but in 2005 he had the element of surprise. I really don't find anything particularly fascinating about his game, but he is a very good defensive player. They are certainly tactics to combat that, but he's left-handed and that's what has helped him the most.

I don't make any assumptions about how the future will pan out but there are a lot of different things that could happen. Players get injured, they burn out, their level drops or they just begin to lose because the other players catch on to their games.

What is most remarkable to me in 2005 is that with the neck and neck race for titles by Federer and Nadal, Roger is clearly better and fully deserving of his status. They both have eleven titles this year (Roger his two Slams and 4 TMS and Nadal with one Slam and 4 TMS, which is remarkable in itself), but when I compare the number of matches and the number of tournaments played by both players on the way to these achievements, I have to wonder, Who can continue to compete at this level?

Roger played only 14 tournaments this year. 14? Am I right? That really sounds like a small amount for a world's number one or any top player (male or female). Yeah, I think I'm right. 11 titles and 3 losses, 77 matches won.

Nadal has played how many tournaments? 21! 79 matches won with 11 tournament titles and 10 losses. Now that's a lot of tournaments to achieve the same number of titles as Federer. He has lost 7 more times than Federer and only won 2 more matches than him.

I don't think Federer played too much tennis this year. He was actually able to have two 6-week breaks in 2005 (if my fall count is correct) but the quality of his participation has been astounding.

Nadal has accomplished a lot this year; he's a teenager and a newcomer and has placed himself in an important part of the history of the game. I really would like to see how he handles 2006. Can he repeat this kind of performance next year even at the risk of falling short to the No. 1 player in the world as he did this year?

As for Roger I am impressed by him all around, as a human being, as a tennis player and as the No. 1 player in the world. Since we're constantly reminded that he's already 24, I consider myself lucky to be treated (for whatever limited time he has) to the best tennis I have ever seen.

Good luck in the MAsters Cup, Roger.

savesthedizzle
11-07-2005, 02:35 PM
OH! We can only insult people with fans? Because..last time I checked, Nole had maybe 5.26.

Poor Novak. The details are in the memo.


He might be up to around 6.7 fans due to my recent calculations. In the memo it clearly states that to start a GM bashing thread, the said player needs to have at least 35.2 fans. Hold on, you really must get a copy of this, I am faxing it immediately.

uNIVERSE mAN
11-07-2005, 02:46 PM
Nadal works 5x harder to win a match than Federer.

rofe
11-07-2005, 02:50 PM
Welcome Rafatards to this Fedtard's thread. :timebomb: :lol:

R.Federer
11-07-2005, 02:55 PM
This post is the only thing that seems delusional :)

Two years ago, when a lot of us fans for Federer were saying Roge is going to win a lot of stuff, become #1, etc., it was also a lot of talk based on hope, his talent, and his results. It came true, didn't it?
There is no reason to believe that nadal will not do very very well either. No one knows for sure anything, but based on results, talent, achievements, you have got to believe he has a real chance of doing something good.

star
11-07-2005, 03:03 PM
i think the nadal supporters who think he is gong to be numer one are insane roger has won 5 grandslams in two years he has only lost 3 time this year while nadal plays far more tounaments and in reality federer had the year end number 1 wraped up very early nadal is not close to roger and never will be. he is not an allcourt player and he never will be.

Whoa! Way to jinx your man. :lol: :lol:

LaTenista
11-07-2005, 03:10 PM
Clearly, Rafa will beat Federer every time they play next year and will hoist the Wimbledon crown.

:secret: If these troll threads worked for Roddick in Lyon and Berdych in Paris, why not Nadal?

Seleshfan
11-07-2005, 05:18 PM
I really don't see the difference in comparing the players when they were the same age; they are both playing at the same time....

Good post WF4EVER.

PaulieM
11-07-2005, 05:23 PM
Is it the new vogue to create threads of rampant nonsense about top players? Was there an official GM memo sent out or something?
yes you definitely missed the memo :o
:rolleyes: with threads like these you can tell the off season is fast approaching...

Phunkadelicious
11-07-2005, 06:25 PM
is getting bad reps the new MTF fad or something?

adee-gee
11-07-2005, 07:12 PM
I am indeed delusional :shrug:

We'll bump this up early next year when Rafa takes the no.1 spot shall we.

sweetiepiedoll
11-07-2005, 08:23 PM
Another thread about Rafa not being good enough. yawn, yawn, yawn. Do you think that this is becoming rather redundant?

Sjengster
11-07-2005, 09:22 PM
Is it the new vogue to create threads of rampant nonsense about top players? Was there an official GM memo sent out or something?

Standard company policy, I think, ergo no memo required.

tennisinparis
11-07-2005, 09:25 PM
amen. someday federer will be gone, it happens to all the great tennis players. luckily, nadal is still pretty young, so he has a CHANCE of still being around after federer is gone, doesn't necessarily mean he will be number 1. I think for Nadal fans, we personally would like to see Nadal win a grand slam on a hardcourt, or maybe that is just me. I think he can, a lot would have to go right, but it is possible.

nonetheless, federer will fall from number one, and i suppose within the next two years, not sure who too, and that person may only stay number one for a week before federer claims it again, but more than likely it will happen.

anyway, good luck to both of these players, no matter what any of us say, it cannot discredit how great both of these players are and have been this year and that no one else has come close to reaching them.

some federer supporters are delusional, think he can stay on top forever....

dont get me wrong, i like federer, but no one can be no.1 forever! people have to accept the fact that one day, he will be taken over, if not nadal, some day, somebody will!!!

but i still think nadal can be world on.1 someday, maybe not next year, maybe not take it from federer.... but he will!!

hablovah19
11-07-2005, 09:44 PM
nadal will have tons of points to defend next year!!!
same with federer!!!

allez davai Safin :devil:
get well soon :angel:

NYCtennisfan
11-07-2005, 09:58 PM
It's going to take a lot from Nadal to become the best player in the world in most people's minds (not necessarily the computer's tally). As for simply overtaking Roger, Nadal could win the AO and Fed could falter before the QF and Nadal could take #1 if Fed doesn't defend Doha and falters at the TMC this year. For the first time in a long time, Fed's #1 ranking will be on the line come AO time most likely

disturb3d
11-07-2005, 09:59 PM
I think for Nadal fans, we personally would like to see Nadal win a grand slam on a hardcourt, or maybe that is just me. I think he can, a lot would have to go right, but it is possible.Why do you undermine Nadal? It's obvious that he has more than enough to take the AO.

He's been destroying everyone on fast hardcourts, so a slower surface like Rebound Ace can only mean success.

uNIVERSE mAN
11-07-2005, 10:00 PM
is getting bad reps the new MTF fad or something?

F reps!

jacobhiggins
11-08-2005, 01:08 AM
When Federer was 19, YES HE WAS AN ALL COURTER. The problem was mostly mental. He has always had an all court game, Nadal does not. Nadal is working on an all court, all surface type of play. Federer has possed the ability to do it all since day 1 , he just couldn't put it together. There's a difference! Nadal has gotton the spotlight of the tennis world, but Federer proved he is still better then Nadal and next year I think he's gonna do the same, just watch!

Merton
11-08-2005, 02:53 AM
This is such a great thread, we have moved to the exciting territory of Theology. The question is whether Human Destiny is determined by Pre-destination or Free Will.

Is it that Federer was born to be the complete player that he is or is it the result of hard work? Is Nadal inherently unable to gain the #1 spot? (implicitly assuming that some Superior Force will prevent him from doing so) Those are concerns worthy of St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas.

Merton
11-08-2005, 03:00 AM
I am very excited about the evolution of thought in this forum. We have moved from the realm of Aristotle's logic (see, for example, earlier claims that "Puerta cannot win away from clay") to the realm of early Middle Ages Theology. I really look forward to seeing the upcoming contributions during the off-season.

liptea
11-08-2005, 04:27 AM
He might be up to around 6.7 fans due to my recent calculations. In the memo it clearly states that to start a GM bashing thread, the said player needs to have at least 35.2 fans. Hold on, you really must get a copy of this, I am faxing it immediately.

Do players need to be good? Because I had elaborate plans to start an anti-Moya-OMG HIS BACKHAND FELL DOWN THE SHOWER DRAIN thread and I need to know whether they were all in vain.

Chloe le Bopper
11-08-2005, 04:29 AM
Yet another troll that I'd like to shag :hearts: Yum!

tennisinparis
11-08-2005, 06:31 AM
i am not trying to undermine Nadal, i am a HUGE fan of his. i am just still worried or afraid. i just want him to get that grand slam on hardcourt behind him, and i want it so bad, but i am not 100% it will happen at th AO, which I feel is his best chance. basically, i am selfish, and don't want to have to wait until 2007.

he has been doing VERY well on hardcourt seeing as he hadn't had much success before this year, but he still has a lot to prove, he has beaten many many players, but he doesn't have amazing records against the top 5 players. when he gets to where he has 4 or 5 wins against the top 5 players, i would then say he is awesome on hardcourts. anyway, i am a fan, and i know all the great things he has accomplished this year, but he still has so much left to accomplish.

Why do you undermine Nadal? It's obvious that he has more than enough to take the AO.

He's been destroying everyone on fast hardcourts, so a slower surface like Rebound Ace can only mean success.

tennisinparis
11-08-2005, 06:33 AM
one question, is federer really and all-courter. i guess the answer is yes if you exclude clay, and only include hardcourt type surfaces and grass, right? just wondering.

When Federer was 19, YES HE WAS AN ALL COURTER. The problem was mostly mental. He has always had an all court game, Nadal does not. Nadal is working on an all court, all surface type of play. Federer has possed the ability to do it all since day 1 , he just couldn't put it together. There's a difference! Nadal has gotton the spotlight of the tennis world, but Federer proved he is still better then Nadal and next year I think he's gonna do the same, just watch!

nobama
11-08-2005, 11:51 AM
one question, is federer really and all-courter. i guess the answer is yes if you exclude clay, and only include hardcourt type surfaces and grass, right? just wondering.Why exculde clay? He's won on clay before and this year made it to the SF of FO losing to Nadal. Of course he has a better record on HC and grass but he's still decent on the dirt.

DhammaTiger
11-08-2005, 12:17 PM
i think the nadal supporters who think he is gong to be numer one are insane roger has won 5 grandslams in two years he has only lost 3 time this year while nadal plays far more tounaments and in reality federer had the year end number 1 wraped up very early nadal is not close to roger and never will be. he is not an allcourt player and he never will be.
what unadulterrated rubbish you post. I suggest you go and lookkthe stats before you comment. Roger is undoubtedly a great player, same with Rafa.Buut for you to denigrate Rafael,shows what a mean spirited person you ae. What do you want Rafa to win a tournament on the moon to prove he can play on all surfaces? I can't understand why, you have to dis Rafa to prove that Roger is better? Neither, you nor anyone can predict how both of them will end up in ten years, who will have more G.S under their belt. So, meanwhile just enjoy both their games instead of posting such ludicrous statements.

tennisinparis
11-08-2005, 04:26 PM
well a lot of people are decent on a lot of surfaces. and plus, a lot of people have won titles on surfaces such as hardcourt and grass, but does that mean they are automatically good or skilled on that surface? its all speculation right. so basically, for federer, it won't be great until he wins his final slam, right?

Why exculde clay? He's won on clay before and this year made it to the SF of FO losing to Nadal. Of course he has a better record on HC and grass but he's still decent on the dirt.

jzpyt06
11-08-2005, 05:26 PM
this thing about nadal and feds why i ask. its a realistic possibility that rafa could b number 1 next year. Why not his about the only one mounting a challenege for feds spot. To think that he reached number 2 in world in 6 month proves he can b number one so he played many tournement they are there to b played and won. Feds can no longer sit out tourneys becasue he fills secure. when rafa won r.g they became joint number on and atp ranking so tell me again rafa can't become nmber 1. the lack of respect is disgusting. What if rafa's fan were are bad as u fed fan always putting down other players to make ur fav look good. Tennis is enjoyed not because one person is winning all the time but when everyone is keeping up. this year only 2 people performed on par.

DhammaTiger
11-08-2005, 06:09 PM
this thing about nadal and feds why i ask. its a realistic possibility that rafa could b number 1 next year. Why not his about the only one mounting a challenege for feds spot. To think that he reached number 2 in world in 6 month proves he can b number one so he played many tournement they are there to b played and won. Feds can no longer sit out tourneys becasue he fills secure. when rafa won r.g they became joint number on and atp ranking so tell me again rafa can't become nmber 1. the lack of respect is disgusting. What if rafa's fan were are bad as u fed fan always putting down other players to make ur fav look good. Tennis is enjoyed not because one person is winning all the time but when everyone is keeping up. this year only 2 people performed on par.
Well said. Rafa has made the tennis year so interesting, unlike 2004 where no one could touch Roger. He seems to have perked up since Rafa started pushing him. If RF feels challenged and has respect for the Boy Wonder, I wonder why his fans are bitching.

sweetiepiedoll
11-08-2005, 09:17 PM
I can't wait until the YEC begins hopefully we will get to see Rogi vs. Rafa play for the TMS Cup. If not there is always the 2006 AO Final.