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Battle for Shanghai: Ljubicic & Gaudio

El Legenda
11-03-2005, 08:39 PM
1st one to lose is out. If Ivan wins tomorrow and Gaudio loses, Ivan is 8th place and is IN(unless Ferrer wins Paris). If Ivan loses tomorrow, Gaudio would need to win to be 8th. If both lose, Ivan gets 8th place by 1 point.

El Legenda
11-03-2005, 09:02 PM
BUT i think both will be there, someone else will pull out. :)

Horatio Caine
11-03-2005, 09:04 PM
The place is as good as Ljubo's really. He isn't going to lose before the SF and Gaudio isn't going to the final...

El Legenda
11-03-2005, 09:06 PM
The place is as good as Ljubo's really. He isn't going to lose before the SF and Gaudio isn't going to the final...

Gaudio needs to make it to final and Ivan lose in SF, for GG to be 8th,

ClaycourtaZzZz.
11-03-2005, 09:07 PM
Gato will win the whole thing:p

El Legenda
11-03-2005, 09:08 PM
Gato will win the whole thing:p

Go to bed, its getting late.

jenanun
11-03-2005, 09:21 PM
hm.. i want them both in... so this only happens if somebody pulls out?

has devydenko confirmed a place?

RickDaStick
11-03-2005, 09:23 PM
There is 0% chance both make it unless someone withdraws.

Jimnik
11-03-2005, 09:23 PM
Gaudio really deserves to be in Shanghai. He must have set a record for most number of tournaments won without qualifying for the year-end cup.

bad gambler
11-03-2005, 09:23 PM
ljubo is not going to be losing to robredo

RaVeR
11-03-2005, 09:29 PM
Ljubicic is better palyer than Gaudio!
Ljubo deserves to go in Shanghai!
Good luck Ljubo!!!

Sjengster
11-03-2005, 09:33 PM
Ljubicic is better palyer than Gaudio!
Ljubo deserves to go in Shanghai!
Good luck Ljubo!!!

Well, half-right at least.

blosson
11-03-2005, 09:41 PM
1st one to lose is out. If Ivan wins tomorrow and Gaudio loses, Ivan is 8th place and is IN(unless Ferrer wins Paris). If Ivan loses tomorrow, Gaudio would need to win to be 8th. If both lose, Ivan gets 8th place by 1 point.

Don't worry Jerry, he will make it.

El Legenda
11-03-2005, 09:47 PM
Don't worry Jerry, he will make it.

Im not worried at all. TMC was not expected, winning Davis Cup is more important.

Jimnik
11-03-2005, 09:49 PM
There's always at least one player who plays in both the TMC and DC final at the end of the year. Last year, it was Moya and Roddick. Who would have thought it would be Ivan this year? :worship:

Sjengster
11-03-2005, 09:52 PM
Yes, I was just thinking after the DC semis that that tradition would be broken this year because of the two minnow teams reaching the final for the first time; now Ljubicic will most likely be the man who fulfils the role, and deservedly so as a new entrant to the Top 10. I just hope that his season next year doesn't repeat a rather worrying trend: see Safin's 2003, Ferrero's 2004 and Moya's 2005.

Jimnik
11-03-2005, 09:56 PM
Yes, I was just thinking after the DC semis that that tradition would be broken this year because of the two minnow teams reaching the final for the first time; now Ljubicic will most likely be the man who fulfils the role, and deservedly so as a new entrant to the Top 10. I just hope that his season next year doesn't repeat a rather worrying trend: see Safin's 2003, Ferrero's 2004 and Moya's 2005.
Well, the trend doesn't always hold. Hewitt's 2004? Wasn't so bad. Nor was Roddick's 2005.

NyGeL
11-03-2005, 09:57 PM
It would be a big surprise if Gaudio gets the 8th spot... but, he is playing great :)

go robredo against Ljubo and go Gato against Berdych!!!!!

btw, if Hewitt withdraws, Puerta will probably be the reserve, so there will be 3 argyes in TMC again :)

El Legenda
11-03-2005, 09:58 PM
well Ljubicic can stay in top 10 for 2006. EASY- JUST WIN FEW matchs in GS. simple as that :lol: he will dominated Indoors again. Also 0pts to defend in Canada and Cincy

RickDaStick
11-03-2005, 09:58 PM
It would be a big surprise if Gaudio gets the 8th spot... but, he is playing great :)

go robredo against Ljubo and go Gato against Berdych!!!!!

btw, if Hewitt withdraws, Puerta will probably be the reserve, so there will be 3 argyes in TMC again :)


It is impossible for Gaudio and Puerta to play Shangai. If Gaudio is #8 then Ljubo is alternate and If Ljubo is #8 then its Gaudio, SO Puerta has no chance

Sjengster
11-03-2005, 09:59 PM
Well, the trend doesn't always hold. Hewitt's 2004? Wasn't so bad. Nor was Roddick's 2005.

That's true, but in the case of Hewitt it's not a proper comparison since he played so little tennis in 2003 and achieved so little besides winning the DC that he still had plenty in reserve for the next year. The three I mentioned all played a lot of tennis and won a lot of matches, the same as Ljubicic has done this year. But Roddick did equal Federer for match victories in 2004 and as you say, it hasn't hurt him this year at all.

El Legenda
11-03-2005, 09:59 PM
It would be a big surprise if Gaudio gets the 8th spot... but, he is playing great :)

go robredo against Ljubo and go Gato against Berdych!!!!!

btw, if Hewitt withdraws, Puerta will probably be the reserve, so there will be 3 argyes in TMC again :)

if Hewitt withdraws, Ljubicic or Gaudio will be in.

Jimnik
11-03-2005, 10:02 PM
Ideally, Hewitt or Agassi will withdraw so that both Ljubicic and Gaudio can play. I know it's the Grand Slam results that matter most but, this time, it just seems unfair that one of them shouldn't make it. Hewitt and Agassi have missed most of the year. It's purely their Aus Open and US Open results that have got them into the TMC.

El Legenda
11-03-2005, 10:03 PM
well Ivan could of had his ticket to Shanghai 2 weeks ago when he was up 2-0 vs Nadal

buddyholly
11-03-2005, 10:17 PM
A Gaudio-Ljubicic final would be fun, providing we do not have another MC withdrawal before the end of the week and one more Davydenko win.

buddyholly
11-03-2005, 10:31 PM
hm.. i want them both in... so this only happens if somebody pulls out?

has devydenko confirmed a place?

I think not, but only if Ljubo and Gato play in the final.
But Davy could win on Friday and avoid being worried about what Ljubo and Gaudio do.

R.Federer
11-03-2005, 10:37 PM
It is impossible for Gaudio and Puerta to play Shangai. If Gaudio is #8 then Ljubo is alternate and If Ljubo is #8 then its Gaudio, SO Puerta has no chance

Puerta is the only finalist in the slam this year to not qualify. Its a pity. It would have been nice way to forget the false drug allegation and so on

If Agassi withdraws (to keep energy for Melbourne), then Puerta could get there at least as alternative (=$)

revolution
11-03-2005, 11:18 PM
Andre is almost certain to take part, according to reports.

I'd expect Ljuby to fill that last berth.

keqtqiadv
11-03-2005, 11:53 PM
Robredo and Ferrer still have chances...

ys
11-04-2005, 12:19 AM
I hope it is Gaudio.. A guy who never reached even Slam quarters has no business appearing at year End Championships..

ys
11-04-2005, 12:19 AM
Andre is almost certain to take part, according to reports.

I'd expect Ljuby to fill that last berth.

hopefully not..

Sjengster
11-04-2005, 12:20 AM
I hope it is Gaudio.. A guy who never reached even Slam quarters has no business appearing at year End Championships..

Woh! ys, rooting for an Argentine over a big-serving Eastern European? Can I get this post copied in triplicate and hung on a wall somewhere?

Action Jackson
11-04-2005, 12:26 AM
Gaudio will play his role as an alternate, but there is a very simple lesson for Gaudio, having such brain fades like the Ferrer match where he had everything wrong with his head and not focusing on the court, and the Christophe Rochus match in Hamburg, then this wouldn't be an issue of him having to qualify for Shanghai, when it should have been done already.

I don't care either way, Ljubo has a DC to win, and I feel there is a big possibility of him coming into the AO flat.

ys
11-04-2005, 01:35 AM
I don't care either way, Ljubo has a DC to win, and I feel there is a big possibility of him coming into the AO flat.

He would have come to a Slam flat anyway. He always did.

Action Jackson
11-04-2005, 01:37 AM
He would have come to a Slam flat anyway. He always did.

Even more so than usual, it's not like he is usually playing this time of year.

Fergie
11-04-2005, 01:42 AM
I want to see both there :)

El Legenda
11-04-2005, 03:00 AM
I hope it is Gaudio.. A guy who never reached even Slam quarters has no business appearing at year End Championships..

aahhh,well Gaudio has not reached QF of GS this year, even thought you said career, what does that have to do with this year. idiot.

liptea
11-04-2005, 03:19 AM
There's always at least one player who plays in both the TMC and DC final at the end of the year. Last year, it was Moya and Roddick.

Wow, you actually remember the days that Carlos was a hero and won matches?

I♥PsY@Mus!c
11-04-2005, 04:27 AM
I want to see both there :)
Me too,but Gaston is an alternate! :aplot:
I don't see Ivan will lose to Robredo at all. :lol: But Tomas may beat Gaston tonight. :D

croat123
11-04-2005, 05:06 AM
ajmo ivane!!

Fergie
11-04-2005, 10:27 AM
Me too,but Gaston is an alternate! :aplot:
I don't see Ivan will lose to Robredo at all. :lol: But Tomas may beat Gaston tonight. :D
Yeah, I want that this happens! ;)

I♥PsY@Mus!c
11-04-2005, 10:45 AM
Yeah, I want that this happens! ;)
Because of my Ivan, :aplot: I'm crazy to cheer against lots of faves too now. :rolls:

*Ljubica*
11-04-2005, 11:04 AM
I want to see both there :)

So do I :) And I want Mariano Puerta to go as an alternate too - so I'm hoping either Agassi or Hewitt pull out ;)

Five
11-04-2005, 12:47 PM
hopefully its Gaudio. I'm sick of Ljubicic. he has nothing except his serve :yawn:

revolution
11-04-2005, 12:49 PM
Well he sure breaks a lot for someone with only a serve....

Billabong
11-04-2005, 01:02 PM
great battle:yeah: This will be interesting:)

RogerRocks
11-04-2005, 01:08 PM
Go Gaston!! :D

El Legenda
11-04-2005, 01:08 PM
hopefully its Gaudio. I'm sick of Ljubicic. he has nothing except his serve :yawn:

Yeah because that backhand is nothing, and the forehand is kids stuffs :rolleyes:

peteslamz
11-04-2005, 02:09 PM
I want Ivan to clinch the final spot than Gaudio because there's a bigger probability that he can cause some upsets against the higher seeds than Gaudio in the TMC which will make the tournament even more exciting.

Action Jackson
11-04-2005, 02:49 PM
Big Ljubo is in the semis.

Pea
11-04-2005, 02:56 PM
Darn, I want both in. Can't rodduck withdraw?

ys
11-04-2005, 03:04 PM
Big Ljubo is in the semis.

And that mean that Ferrer and Robredo are out of run.. Gaudio is our only hope..

El Legenda
11-04-2005, 03:08 PM
And that mean that Ferrer and Robredo are out of run.. Gaudio is our only hope..

our? Ljubicic Nazi's :lol: Ferrer is not out yet, if he makes it to the final, but i have better chance of doing it and im not even in the draw.

Action Jackson
11-04-2005, 03:08 PM
And that mean that Ferrer and Robredo are out of run.. Gaudio is our only hope..

You're scaring me man you wanting Gaudio in the TMC. I am worried, the best scenario for him is if he somehow beats Berdych, and then plays Davydenko, then he will make the final, but I don't believe in fairytales.

ys
11-04-2005, 03:30 PM
You're scaring me man you wanting Gaudio in the TMC.

I prefer players who can do well in real men's best-of-five game, not only in girlie best-of-three..


I am worried, the best scenario for him is if he somehow beats Berdych, and then plays Davydenko, then he will make the final, but I don't believe in fairytales.

Davydenko has not much of motivation any more. He qualified for TMC.. He'll lose today..

El Legenda
11-04-2005, 03:35 PM
I prefer players who can do well in real men's best-of-five game, not only in girlie best-of-three...

:haha: Im sorry but you're pretty stupid. well i know it will be hard for you tonight when Gaudio loses and Ivan gets spot in Shanghai, atleast he has chance of winning few matchs over there.