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Who is King Returner?

AgassiDomination
11-02-2005, 10:53 PM
I need the vCash :angel:

Jimnik
11-02-2005, 10:59 PM
None of them.

How could you not include Nalbandian?

At LEAST include an "other" option.

El Legenda
11-02-2005, 11:01 PM
ljubicic % wise is not good, but he always seems to get that 1 break when he needs it and that all. but he's not close to the best, just good timing of breaks and fact that its hard to break him

JMG
11-02-2005, 11:03 PM
It's one of Agassi/Hewitt/Federer for sure.

Jimnik
11-02-2005, 11:03 PM
ljubicic % wise is not good, but he always seems to get that 1 break when he needs it and that all. but he's not close to the best, just good timing of breaks and fact that its hard to break him
...and the fact that he's your fav

AgassiDomination
11-02-2005, 11:04 PM
None of them.

How could you not include Nalbandian?

At LEAST include an "other" option.


The question is best returner in the top 10, as Nalbandian isnt in the top ten, it would only be fitting that he isnt included. :rolleyes:

Jimnik
11-02-2005, 11:07 PM
The question is best returner in the top 10, as Nalbandian isnt in the top ten, it would only be fitting that he isnt included. :rolleyes:
WOOPS! I thought the question was "Who is King Returner?"

Btw, Puerta is in the top 10 not Gaudio.

AgassiDomination
11-02-2005, 11:10 PM
Eh its not like Gaudio or Puerta are good returners anyway. :tape:



Edit: I just checked the atp site... I dont see a Puerta :confused:

Jimnik
11-02-2005, 11:10 PM
:bowdown: Karlovic and Feliciano Lopez :bowdown:
and Wayne Arthurs :worship:

Galaxystorm
11-02-2005, 11:11 PM
and Wayne Arthurs :worship:

I made a mistake, they aren't inside top 10 :p , it's so unfair :sobbing:

Galaxystorm
11-02-2005, 11:14 PM
Eh its not like Gaudio or Puerta are good returners anyway. :tape:



Edit: I just checked the atp site... I dont see a Puerta :confused:

If you don't see a " Puerta = door ", you need prescription glasses :haha:

Rogiman
11-02-2005, 11:14 PM
Tricky question.

If the number of aces conceded is a measure than Agassi has to be counted out, given the 51 aces he conceded against PimPim as well as the 46 against Scud at Wimbledon 2003, and the fact that players like Federer hit more aces against him than they do against any other opponent, and it was more of the same with Sampras (including that infamous 2002 USO final when virtually every serve of Sampras looked to be an ace).

When he does get his racket on his opponent's serve it's usually done with pace and precision, often returning a winner off the serve.

AgassiDomination
11-02-2005, 11:18 PM
If you don't see a " Puerta = door ", you need prescription glasses :haha:


Grow up :rolleyes:

revolution
11-02-2005, 11:21 PM
Fed, Hewitt, Agassi... these three eat serves for breakfast... except Lleyton has problems with King Ivo :p

Galaxystorm
11-02-2005, 11:22 PM
Grow up :rolleyes:

Where's your sense of humor ??

Galaxystorm
11-02-2005, 11:23 PM
I need the vCash :angel:

Grow up :baby:

Merton
11-02-2005, 11:25 PM
Lleyton, he makes servers work more during their service games. Andre has not enough reach (hence he gets aced) while Roger is hard to ace but his returns are not agressive enough.

Tourmalante
11-02-2005, 11:26 PM
I would say Hewitt or Federer and Nadal on Clay. Both Hewitt and Federer eschew blazing return winners in and losing 2 or so points in every game to netted returns and aces, for simply getting every serve back in play, which seems to work better with the advances in racket technology and serve speed that discourage a maximalist approach. Nadal is still not as good as the above two at returning fast serves on hard court or grass, but he is great on clay.

AgassiDomination
11-02-2005, 11:29 PM
Grow up :baby:


Oh ok, if I must :p

El Legenda
11-02-2005, 11:34 PM
...and the fact that he's your fav

hence me knowing his game :rolleyes:

Galaxystorm
11-02-2005, 11:35 PM
Among the current top 10 , in my opinion .

1) Agassi
2) Hewitt
3) Federer
4) Safin

Nadal together with Hewitt and some more players .... i think is one of the best returners at the feet on the ATP circuit , and in doubles matches this skill shines although his return playing singles matches lacks of depth when the opponent is baseliner and doesn't go towards the net to volley

Federerhingis
11-03-2005, 12:03 AM
None of them.

How could you not include Nalbandian?

At LEAST include an "other" option.

I know how can Nalbandian be left out from this list, he's certainly a top 5 player in the return department.

gsm
11-03-2005, 01:20 AM
lleyton

bad gambler
11-03-2005, 01:23 AM
federer and hewitt

napki
11-03-2005, 01:41 AM
ATP think that Nadal and Coria are the best. :p

Clay players should be the considered the best reterners anyway, you don't need to return that well to win hard court matches.

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/matchfacts/default.asp

NYCtennisfan
11-03-2005, 02:18 AM
If you want to talk about overall pressure put upon the returner, I would say Federer because he gets so many balls in play. As for pure returning, Agassi, then Hewitt, then Nalbandian.

NYCtennisfan
11-03-2005, 02:20 AM
Clay players should be the considered the best reterners anyway, you don't need to return that well to win hard court matches.

The faster the surface, the more important the ability to return well. Just about everyone can get the ball in decent position off of the return on clay. Puerta for example does a good job of this. He returns miserably on hard courts.

*Viva Chile*
11-03-2005, 02:53 AM
Of all times... definitely Agassi ;)

Oriental_Rain
11-03-2005, 03:08 AM
Agassi without a doubt then followed by Fed

idolwatcher1
11-03-2005, 04:23 AM
I think Lisnard gets an honorable mention for returning like Kim Cljisters... :p

http://img495.imageshack.us/img495/9532/lisnard1am.jpg

nermo
11-03-2005, 08:00 AM
1)Agassi
2)Federer
3) Hewitt

David Kenzie
11-03-2005, 08:07 AM
Edit: I just checked the atp site... I dont see a Puerta :confused:

:secret:When we say Top 10 in tennis it means Top 10 in the entry ranking, not the Race.

peteslamz
11-03-2005, 08:19 AM
Andre then Roger

landoud
11-03-2005, 09:03 AM
fedex

tennisman.
11-03-2005, 09:46 AM
Federer

robinhood
11-03-2005, 10:41 AM
I need the vCash :angel:

A very belated question.
What do all these "Who is King Blah?" threads have to do with the vCash???

And my answer to this thread would be Federer, by the way.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
11-03-2005, 10:52 AM
who's the king of the kings?

R.Federer
11-03-2005, 12:04 PM
Well the easiest way to see is who gets Least Aced. Look at matches where any of the above (except andi) plays either Karlovic, or roddick or Scud or another big server. roddick manages many tie breaks on hard /carpet against most players, but not with Roge. Similarly for karlovic (but he gets to more tie break)

It is very difficult to ace Roge, this is obvious from the statistics. The big acing players have the Least number of aces when playing Roge. So I vote for him
Agassi is second, and hewitt for placement is excellent but a lot of serve balls get by him

wimbledonfan
11-03-2005, 01:31 PM
Nadal has the best stats this year for breaking serves . The only thing is , most of his matches were on clay so this stat could be overstated a bit .

Galaxystorm
11-03-2005, 02:04 PM
who's the king of the kings?

King kong

MisterQ
11-03-2005, 02:27 PM
I think Lisnard gets an honorable mention for returning like Kim Cljisters... :p

http://www.fft.fr/bnpparibasmasters/album_asp/album4/lisnard.jpg

Wow, the shallow angle on that serve is fantastic! :worship: ;)

MisterQ
11-03-2005, 02:34 PM
Well the easiest way to see is who gets Least Aced. Look at matches where any of the above (except andi) plays either Karlovic, or roddick or Scud or another big server. roddick manages many tie breaks on hard /carpet against most players, but not with Roge. Similarly for karlovic (but he gets to more tie break)

It is very difficult to ace Roge, this is obvious from the statistics. The big acing players have the Least number of aces when playing Roge. So I vote for him
Agassi is second, and hewitt for placement is excellent but a lot of serve balls get by him

I think Roger has a legitimate case here, since he does get so many balls back, and has such a great court sense and knowledge of what his own speed and defensive abilities can allow him to get away with.... BUT I don't think seeing who gets aced the least is the best way to evaluate the return. If a players gets his racquet on the ball, it won't count as an ace. But this tells us nothing about whether the player was able to get it back over the net, or whether the return put any pressure on the opponent. A player who gets his racquet on every ball but simply floats them back will be toast against someone who moves in to put that ball away.

Neely
11-03-2005, 02:39 PM
I think Roger has a legitimate case here, since he does get so many balls back, and has such a great court sense and knowledge of what his own speed and defensive abilities can allow him to get away with.... BUT I don't think seeing who gets aced the least is the best way to evaluate the return. If a players gets his racquet on the ball, it won't count as an ace. But this tells us nothing about whether the player was able to get it back over the net, or whether the return put any pressure on the opponent. A player who gets his racquet on every ball but simply floats them back will be toast against someone who moves in to put that ball away.
Right to the point, Q! :worship:

Tourmalante
11-03-2005, 02:49 PM
Roger does not simply float ball back in. The most recent viewings of his play came from the US Open where he was more defensive than usual. He has a myriad repertoire of returns he can present to the opponent from various levels of slice, to rolled returns. to down the line or cross court returns with pace, even a drop shot. I feel he underutilizes his offensive return game these days when I watch footage of his Wimbledon Final with the Scud. He went for winners readily and rarely resorted to only getting the ball back in play.

MisterQ
11-03-2005, 02:55 PM
Roger does not simply float ball back in. The most recent viewings of his play came from the US Open where he was more defensive than usual. He has a myriad repertoire of returns he can present to the opponent from various levels of slice, to rolled returns. to down the line or cross court returns with pace, even a drop shot. I feel he underutilizes his offensive return game these days when I watch footage of his Wimbledon Final with the Scud. He went for winners readily and rarely resorted to only getting the ball back in play.

To be clear, I didn't say that Roger simply floated it back... my larger point was that getting aced the fewest number of times doesn't tell us all that much in itself. One must consider other aspects of the return, like those you mentioned above. :)

seven
11-03-2005, 03:08 PM
I think Safin is the best returner, because his returns on forehand and backhand are mostly very powerful and dangerous, plus he can pass very well, because he has quick hands and a good eye.
Even Federer said, that his returns are extremely well, and he doesn´t win so many easy points on his serve when he´s playing him, or gets in a defensive position more often.
Federer also returns very well, he´s quicker than almost every player, but often on the backhand, he just chips or slices the ball back.

R.Federer
11-03-2005, 03:40 PM
To be clear, I didn't say that Roger simply floated it back... my larger point was that getting aced the fewest number of times doesn't tell us all that much in itself. One must consider other aspects of the return, like those you mentioned above. :)

Oh good point
Yes I would modifiy what I say above to include other things with return. But in generally, Roge is not just putting racket on the ball to be least aced, he is also getting it into play a lot more than others are.

Best thing to look at then is maybe Return Point won

Vass
11-03-2005, 04:29 PM
Roger is the king, but...

Whooa!, people forgot who Safin is (according to the poll).
I'd say he's got a better return than Agassi these days.