Andy "Keeper of Break Points" Roddick def T.Dent 6:4 6:7 7:5 [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

Andy "Keeper of Break Points" Roddick def T.Dent 6:4 6:7 7:5

Loremaster
11-02-2005, 05:23 PM
great win but andy was playing badly anyway I'm very happy :worship:

jackieglover
11-02-2005, 05:24 PM
How many BPs did Dent miss in that last set? Good win for Andy to pull it out when he wasn't at his best.

Winston's Human
11-02-2005, 05:26 PM
My count is that Andy saved eight break points in the third set.

Loremaster
11-02-2005, 05:27 PM
8 in third set and 3 in first set

Becarina
11-02-2005, 05:28 PM
good job Andy! :) That was too close...

jackieglover
11-02-2005, 05:34 PM
My count is that Andy saved eight break points in the third set.

Really tough loss for Taylor.

Loremaster
11-02-2005, 05:35 PM
But Andy at least showed some passion and great fighting , I hope he will win in Paris

tangerine_dream
11-02-2005, 05:37 PM
Somebody else said Andy saved 11 of 11 BPs. Does anyone have the stats for this match?

Well done, Andy. I think.

adee-gee
11-02-2005, 05:39 PM
Andy :yeah: (just!)

When he was in his prime he was murdering Dent. Who can forget that Australian Open destruction not so long ago. Possibly one of the best matches I've seen Andy play. He's nowhere near that level at the moment.

Jimnik
11-02-2005, 05:40 PM
Bloody Hell Andy :eek: Were you trying to lose that match?

Loremaster
11-02-2005, 05:40 PM
I know that Andy was serving very badly about 50% and only 7 aces(to 13 made by Dent )

Jimnik
11-02-2005, 05:42 PM
Btw, another tie-breaker lost. That's 6 in a row now in important matches (ie Grand Slam and AMS matches).

NYCtennisfan
11-02-2005, 05:42 PM
On one hand it's a good sign for Andy that he doesn't succumb under the pressure. On the other hand, nobody should have had all those BP's with his serve on that surface in one set.

Good match by Dent. I ddin't think he could be so effective on Roddick's serve.

NYCtennisfan
11-02-2005, 05:43 PM
When he was in his prime he was murdering Dent. Who can forget that Australian Open destruction not so long ago. Possibly one of the best matches I've seen Andy play. He's nowhere near that level at the moment.

That match was brutal....Dent was playing well going into that beatdown.

idolwatcher1
11-02-2005, 05:45 PM
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lol, Andy can be so expressive sometimes... :) Congrats for the win, Andy!

Jimnik
11-02-2005, 05:46 PM
When he was in his prime he was murdering Dent. Who can forget that Australian Open destruction not so long ago. Possibly one of the best matches I've seen Andy play. He's nowhere near that level at the moment.
Not just Dent. I remember him ripping through Schalken and a few other guys in that tournament. Also in the US open 2004 early rounds against Canas, Nadal and Robredo.

mickymouse
11-02-2005, 05:54 PM
By the third set, Dent was able to return most of Roddick's first serves. In fact, he outaced Roddick for the match, but his bp conversion was 0/11, and ultimately, this is the statistic that mattered.

landoud
11-02-2005, 05:55 PM
well done roddick.... this tourny is all yours

Loremaster
11-02-2005, 05:57 PM
but it was Roddick who was playing badly I was fallowing livescores on eurosport. And they have livescores with commentary and I was impresed how many UE Roddick made , he was hitting wide easy forhands, volley giving Taylor a lot of chances, and he is service was much, much worse than in Lyon

star
11-02-2005, 07:41 PM
:bigclap:

Thank you, Andy! I was so nervous he wouldn't win. I think I would hate to have him lose to Dent more than anyone -- well, there are a few others equal. :lol:

marcelwks
11-02-2005, 07:49 PM
98 service games won in a row :woohoo:

Deboogle!.
11-02-2005, 08:03 PM
98??? whoa.

Anyway, Andy played like shit, please play better tomorrow, thank you. And learn how to hit out on your forehand again, please. You look like a pansy on court :o

adee-gee
11-02-2005, 08:03 PM
98 service games won in a row :woohoo:
Seriously? I didn't realise it was so high. Could break the record, although Hrbaty is a decent returner.

adee-gee
11-02-2005, 08:05 PM
98??? whoa.

Anyway, Andy played like shit, please play better tomorrow, thank you. And learn how to hit out on your forehand again, please. You look like a pansy on court :o
I don't have facts to prove it, but I'm convinced he used to hit his forehand a lot harder. I don't know whats going on with it.

blosson
11-02-2005, 08:08 PM
Yes, his forehand is not as used to be. He's also aiming the centre of the court instead of lines and corners.

Arcadion
11-02-2005, 08:12 PM
``I feel like Taylor might have actually played the better match tonight,'' Roddick said. ``He served pretty well tonight, mixed it up, kept me off balance. This is one of those where I feel fortunate to have gotten through.''

Wow, what an arrogant jerk.

Deboogle!.
11-02-2005, 08:12 PM
Adam, he's lacking confidence in it right now, clearly. His BH often looks like a stronger shot than his FH and that is just ..... shocking.

Also, today, he failed to put away no fewer than 7 overheads today. Sometimes he still managed to win the point, but Taylor was there to make a play or something. That just DISGUSTED ME. He used to have such a solid overhead, there is no excuse not to slam those away!

LOL Arcadion, yea, what a jackass :o

adee-gee
11-02-2005, 08:35 PM
Adam, he's lacking confidence in it right now, clearly. His BH often looks like a stronger shot than his FH and that is just ..... shocking.

Also, today, he failed to put away no fewer than 7 overheads today. Sometimes he still managed to win the point, but Taylor was there to make a play or something. That just DISGUSTED ME. He used to have such a solid overhead, there is no excuse not to slam those away!

His BH doesn't look a stronger shot than anything :o

I dunno if it is confidence though. I'd say it was confidence if he was still going for the big forehand but missing. The fact is, he doesn't even go for anything remotely big anymore, he's just content to knock topspin forehands down the centre of the court. I swear I could coach Andy back to the top of men's tennis.

Deboogle!.
11-02-2005, 08:41 PM
Oh, I think it's definitely confidence, he just doesn't have the confidence to go big anymore. So he is inexplicably content to just get the ball back with too much topspin so it sits up and makes it easy for his opponent. His shots aren't deep anymore either, he just has no confidence anymore :sad:

Deboogle!.
11-02-2005, 08:45 PM
According to Andy's site, he's held 85 times since Davis Cup... but it's AR.com so who knows how accurate that is.

adee-gee
11-02-2005, 08:48 PM
Oh, I think it's definitely confidence, he just doesn't have the confidence to go big anymore. So he is inexplicably content to just get the ball back with too much topspin so it sits up and makes it easy for his opponent. His shots aren't deep anymore either, he just has no confidence anymore :sad:
Agreed on the depth aspect. I think Goldfine's telling him to leave balls short and hit them with no pace ;)

adee-gee
11-02-2005, 08:50 PM
According to Andy's site, he's held 85 times since Davis Cup... but it's AR.com so who knows how accurate that is.
About 50 more for the record then.

star
11-02-2005, 08:55 PM
His BH doesn't look a stronger shot than anything :o

I dunno if it is confidence though. I'd say it was confidence if he was still going for the big forehand but missing. The fact is, he doesn't even go for anything remotely big anymore, he's just content to knock topspin forehands down the centre of the court. I swear I could coach Andy back to the top of men's tennis.

Go for it. :)

marcelwks
11-02-2005, 09:45 PM
According to Andy's site, he's held 85 times since Davis Cup... but it's AR.com so who knows how accurate that is.
yes but 98 without Davis Cup only on ATP level. 13 from match with Muller :)

Jimnik
11-02-2005, 10:56 PM
What impresses me most is the way he handled those 11 break points. Yes some of them were screwed up by Dent but Andy took control on many of them too.

Deboogle!.
11-02-2005, 11:02 PM
yes but 98 without Davis Cup only on ATP level. 13 from match with Muller :)Ah, I see. :)

yes, Jimnik, that's true. He has a propensity to DF on BPs sometimes.. he came close a couple times but he laid in some very risky 2nd serves that just hit the line on some of those BPs.

enqvistfan
11-02-2005, 11:08 PM
What a boring match !!!!!!!!!!!!! I was there and I had to walk a little bit, so long and not interesting !!!!!! Hope Roddick will play better for the next round !!

nobama
11-02-2005, 11:57 PM
According to Andy's site, he's held 85 times since Davis Cup... but it's AR.com so who knows how accurate that is.Yeah but if he can't win tb's what good is it? Had Dent held, they went to a breaker and Dent prevailed would it much matter that Andy didn't drop serve? What is his tb record this year?

Sjengster
11-03-2005, 12:12 AM
28-24. That's an awful lot of tiebreaks. But still, the way Dent threw away the final game on his serve suggests that he would have found some means of losing in the TB anyway; a lack of self-belief definitely hurt him on a couple of those breakpoint chances.

name_change
11-03-2005, 01:46 AM
and didn't andy use to be much quicker around the court?

Deboogle!.
11-03-2005, 01:51 AM
28-24. That's an awful lot of tiebreaks. But still, the way Dent threw away the final game on his serve suggests that he would have found some means of losing in the TB anyway; a lack of self-belief definitely hurt him on a couple of those breakpoint chances.I wonder what his BP conversion rate is, it's gotta be horrific and one of the worst in the top 10. So many times, he sets himself up in a good position and does similarly to what Dent did today - mess up the break points. So that again is one of the reasons he plays a lot of tiebreaks. He always has, and I'm sure he always will. But he used to win a vast majority of the tiebreaks, and the fact that he's losing them now is what's the biggest concern for me.

Also, he used to have more of an intimidation factor about him, I think. And that in and of itself can sometimes - often, perhaps? - be good for a break here and there in a match. But once you lose that and the lower-ranked players have no fear to go out there and think they have a chance, you lose that 'gift' of sorts. I hope this makes sense, it makes perfect sense in my head :p

no, name_change, if there is one thing Andy has clearly improved consistently, it is his movement. it's one of the things Goldfine has really worked on with him, and he's fitter and quicker about the court now than he was before, absolutely.

name_change
11-03-2005, 01:58 AM
I wonder what his BP conversion rate is, it's gotta be horrific and one of the worst in the top 10. So many times, he sets himself up in a good position and does similarly to what Dent did today - mess up the break points. So that again is one of the reasons he plays a lot of tiebreaks. He always has, and I'm sure he always will. But he used to win a vast majority of the tiebreaks, and the fact that he's losing them now is what's the biggest concern for me.

Also, he used to have more of an intimidation factor about him, I think. And that in and of itself can sometimes - often, perhaps? - be good for a break here and there in a match. But once you lose that and the lower-ranked players have no fear to go out there and think they have a chance, you lose that 'gift' of sorts. I hope this makes sense, it makes perfect sense in my head :p

no, name_change, if there is one thing Andy has clearly improved consistently, it is his movement. it's one of the things Goldfine has really worked on with him, and he's fitter and quicker about the court now than he was before, absolutely.thank you!it's just that i remember him being faster that's all.

Sjengster
11-03-2005, 02:06 AM
I wonder what his BP conversion rate is, it's gotta be horrific and one of the worst in the top 10. So many times, he sets himself up in a good position and does similarly to what Dent did today - mess up the break points. So that again is one of the reasons he plays a lot of tiebreaks. He always has, and I'm sure he always will. But he used to win a vast majority of the tiebreaks, and the fact that he's losing them now is what's the biggest concern for me.

Also, he used to have more of an intimidation factor about him, I think. And that in and of itself can sometimes - often, perhaps? - be good for a break here and there in a match. But once you lose that and the lower-ranked players have no fear to go out there and think they have a chance, you lose that 'gift' of sorts. I hope this makes sense, it makes perfect sense in my head :p

no, name_change, if there is one thing Andy has clearly improved consistently, it is his movement. it's one of the things Goldfine has really worked on with him, and he's fitter and quicker about the court now than he was before, absolutely.

I still insist that Federer has the worst breakpoint conversion rate of any Top 10 player, but understandably, no-one really thinks it noteworthy because it doesn't seem to be hurting him much. I mean to me, he's the original king of bonehead errors on breakpoints, dumping second serve returns into the net, hitting loose forehands wide etc., but obviously he must get the breaks (literally) in the end somehow.

I suppose a dethroned no. 1 does lose a little bit of the intimidation factor - I mean, people must have dreaded the prospect of playing him during the summer of 2003, but right now they probably think they have a chance if they can just hang onto their serve. Back then I always thought that was the only way to play Roddick, to be equally as effective at holding serve, get to a TB and squeeze out a decisive return point somehow, but it wasn't until the end of the year when he lost those six consecutive breakers that it actually looked like he was vulnerable in those situations.

Deboogle!.
11-03-2005, 02:22 AM
I suppose a dethroned no. 1 does lose a little bit of the intimidation factor - I mean, people must have dreaded the prospect of playing him during the summer of 2003, but right now they probably think they have a chance if they can just hang onto their serve. Back then I always thought that was the only way to play Roddick, to be equally as effective at holding serve, get to a TB and squeeze out a decisive return point somehow, but it wasn't until the end of the year when he lost those six consecutive breakers that it actually looked like he was vulnerable in those situations.I didn't mean the former #1 thing, I meant that he started having bad losses to players he shouldn't lose to. I mean when other players see him play horrifically and have a meltdown when it got tough against a guy like Ginepri, whom he had owned since they were literally children, they all have to think "well hey why can't I do it too?"

NYCtennisfan
11-03-2005, 02:30 AM
I still insist that Federer has the worst breakpoint conversion rate of any Top 10 player, but understandably, no-one really thinks it noteworthy because it doesn't seem to be hurting him much. I mean to me, he's the original king of bonehead errors on breakpoints, dumping second serve returns into the net, hitting loose forehands wide etc., but obviously he must get the breaks (literally) in the end somehow.

I don't think I have ever seen anyone dump so many slice BH returns on 2nd serves into the bottom of the net the way Fed does on BP's. That being said, there are very few players who get as many BP opportunities as Fed.

nobama
11-03-2005, 11:18 AM
I still insist that Federer has the worst breakpoint conversion rate of any Top 10 player, but understandably, no-one really thinks it noteworthy because it doesn't seem to be hurting him much. I mean to me, he's the original king of bonehead errors on breakpoints, dumping second serve returns into the net, hitting loose forehands wide etc., but obviously he must get the breaks (literally) in the end somehow.Are there any stats on this? In the USO final against Agassi he had 18 bp chances and I think 9 of them came from one game. I don't think there were many games in that match where Agassi held at love. That's what was so frustrating....all those chances to break that he didn't take. But of course he got to the 3rd set breaker and flipped a switch and it was all over. Fed's won 71% of tb's he's played this year, Roddick only 55%. And Roddick has played 20 more tb's than Fed this year.

nobama
11-03-2005, 11:24 AM
I don't think I have ever seen anyone dump so many slice BH returns on 2nd serves into the bottom of the net the way Fed does on BP's. That being said, there are very few players who get as many BP opportunities as Fed.This is true. In the USO final I don't think Agassi had that many games where he held at love, I just remember a lot of deuce games or games where Fed had a chance to break. His conversion rate in that match was horrible. But he almost always seems to find a way to up his level when he needs to. How frustrating it must be for Roddick to not drop serve in a match and still lose in straight sets (I don't think he dropped serve against Muller, did he?).

Loremaster
11-03-2005, 01:22 PM
He has and it was somehow turning point of the match, he was leading 5:3 and was serving :mad:

Winston's Human
11-03-2005, 02:11 PM
Are there any stats on this? In the USO final against Agassi he had 18 bp chances and I think 9 of them came from one game. I don't think there were many games in that match where Agassi held at love. That's what was so frustrating....all those chances to break that he didn't take. But of course he got to the 3rd set breaker and flipped a switch and it was all over. Fed's won 71% of tb's he's played this year, Roddick only 55%. And Roddick has played 20 more tb's than Fed this year.

I think your last two sentences pinpoint Roger's dominance over the tour in general and Andy in particular. At the most important times, such as TBs, Roger always seems to up his game whereas other players, like Andy, get tight.

KCVH
11-03-2005, 05:45 PM
Shame Taylor couldn't convert BP's. Again unlucky to play A. Roddick in the second round, deserved better like at Wimbly.