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Where is all the Davydenko hate coming from?

gillian
11-01-2005, 06:30 PM
Not here on this forum, but in the press. I've seen several slams against Nikolay in different media

Tennis X Web site writes

It's bad enough that personality-deficient Russian Nikolay Davydenko will likely clinch the final open spot in the field over the exciting Ivan Ljubicic...

Ouch!

Neil Harman of the Times chimes in with this:

Comfortable association with fellow players on the tour has been hard to come by for Rusedski, although his popularity would increase eight-fold in the aftermath of a victory over Davydenko, arguably the least marketable commodity in the mix for a place in the Masters Cup in Shanghai this month.

Yikes.

Am I missing something about Davydenko? Is he unlikable or surly (like my Coria), or is all this vitriol being spewed at him simply because he has "no personality"?

R.Federer
11-01-2005, 06:32 PM
Suspected of tanking matches in gambling scams

gillian
11-01-2005, 06:34 PM
Suspected of tanking matches in gambling scams

Really? LOL. Where have I been.

More detail on this please.....

adee-gee
11-01-2005, 06:38 PM
Really? LOL. Where have I been.

More detail on this please.....
Vs Sargsian earlier this year. There was a lot of suspicious backing for Sargsian, Davydenko won the 1st set 6-1 and then retired with a foot injury. A few days later he played DC and was perfectly normal.

Rogiman
11-01-2005, 06:40 PM
Disrespectful remarks.

Davy is a hard working successful pro with decent strokes whose game might not be exciting but very efficient - not unlike many other players.

I guess that's not all that bad, since he'll almost surely play TMC and all the critics can only keep talking trash - like they say: money talks and bullshit walks.

adee-gee
11-01-2005, 06:42 PM
Oh by the way most bookmakers dont pay out bets if under 1 set is completed. The fact that there was a suspicious amount being bet on Sargsian, plus the fact that Davydenko retired after 1 set made it seem suspicious.

I'm not saying he's guilty, I'm just telling you what I've heard.

As for his lack of personality, its true, but its a bit harsh he's had a good, consistent year and possibly deserves a place at the TMS

Chloe le Bopper
11-01-2005, 06:45 PM
Apparently one only has a personality if they act up on court and make catty remarks off of it.

shotgun
11-01-2005, 06:47 PM
The guy lacks charisma. Simple as that.

Frederick16
11-01-2005, 06:49 PM
yeah i think that also he is a good player and that is it. nothing more. no x factor :)

gillian
11-01-2005, 06:51 PM
As for his lack of personality, its true, but its a bit harsh he's had a good, consistent year and possibly deserves a place at the TMS

I guess that' my beef. If he's played well enough to get there, why begrudge him his spot in Shanghai?

Of course, the organizers are probably just miffed at all the potential withdrawals. Still, that's no reason to take it out on Davydenko.

Rogiman
11-01-2005, 06:53 PM
The guy lacks charisma. Simple as that.
Since when is that good enough a reason to make such harsh remarks about a person?

It's bad enough that young people nowadays idolize models and such blah, regardless of their skills (sleeping with people in powerful positions is not a skill IMO) or level of intelligence, at least he's good at what he does - isn't that what being a pro is all about?

Neely
11-01-2005, 07:00 PM
I can't understand it, I have nothing against Davydenko, I'm neutral about him and I acknowledge his achievements this year.

shotgun
11-01-2005, 07:10 PM
Since when is that good enough a reason to make such harsh remarks about a person?

It's bad enough that young people nowadays idolize models and such blah, regardless of their skills (sleeping with people in powerful positions is not a skill IMO) or level of intelligence, at least he's good at what he does - isn't that what being a pro is all about?

Yeah, I agree with you. Davydenko deserves being in Shanghai for all that he has done this year as a tennis player. However, speaking of a commercial point of view, it's not good that he plays the Masters Cup, because the crowd doesn't feel attracted to him - not only young people. Money has good and bad effects on professional sports, and this is a bad one. Fortunately, all that these people can do is "cheer" against him.

gillian
11-01-2005, 07:10 PM
I can't understand it, I have nothing against Davydenko, I'm neutral about him and I acknowledge his achievements this year.

Same here. I'm not a fan, but I don't dislike him, and I can certainly admire what he's accomplished this year.

shotgun
11-01-2005, 07:17 PM
I can't understand it, I have nothing against Davydenko, I'm neutral about him and I acknowledge his achievements this year.

Most people feel like this about him. Few people love him, and few people hate him. The tennis business is always looking for good guys and bad guys (I am not gonna name any players here, so that the fans won't get resented). Neutral guys are not interesting for them.

nermo
11-01-2005, 07:24 PM
i don't think it reached the level of hatred.Hatred is a big word. the guy is just not popular enough, not attractive to the press.The simple and straight answer is that Davydenko is not charismatic enough to the press.it may be his interviews,his short comments ,it may even be his looks.
what matters i think is that so far,the guy has done and is doing Fine.he's improving , he's finding Success and if he keeps on going ..believe me, The press 'll find something Charismatic about his personality (even if it 'll be this silly comment of his lack of personality, or his quietness ).
Davydenko is not and won't be the only case when it comes to relations with press ,as long as he lives with this, and keeps on going, it's not a big deal ;)

case
11-01-2005, 09:10 PM
Most people feel like this about him. Few people love him, and few people hate him. The tennis business is always looking for good guys and bad guys (I am not gonna name any players here, so that the fans won't get resented). Neutral guys are not interesting for them.


Since when has "neutral" interested anyone? Throughout human history we haave created good and bad or even good and evil. It comes in handy to get the people to go along with senseless wars and to keep the masses in line. Also makes good entertainment.

I dont like Davydeko either. Hate him-no.

MariaV
11-01-2005, 09:17 PM
Since when is that good enough a reason to make such harsh remarks about a person?

It's bad enough that young people nowadays idolize models and such blah, regardless of their skills (sleeping with people in powerful positions is not a skill IMO) or level of intelligence, at least he's good at what he does - isn't that what being a pro is all about?
:worship: :worship: :worship:

Pheobo
11-01-2005, 09:49 PM
Ehh...poor Nikolay. He's not the only boring player to ever be in the top 10. *cough*Sampras*cough*


They don't like him because he's not an american.

Jimnik
11-01-2005, 10:01 PM
:ras:

I don't care what anyone here or in the press say. I love Davydenko :hug:

RickDaStick
11-01-2005, 10:03 PM
Ehh...poor Nikolay. He's not the only boring player to ever be in the top 10. *cough*Sampras*cough*


They don't like him because he's not an american.

That makes no sense, we arent even talking about American media here, I doubt some journalist in Italy or France cares that Davydenko isnt America.

Sjengster
11-01-2005, 10:09 PM
It's funny, bearing in mind the nationality of the world no. 1 you'd think tennis followers would have embraced neutrality more by now. Anyway, don't care a jot about Kolya's lack of charisma, I just find him to be a bit of a tedious ball-basher. He's certainly merited his TMC place, it'll be interesting to see if he pulls a Costa and claims a big scalp in his group when everyone expected him to get the wooden spoon.

adee-gee
11-01-2005, 10:10 PM
It's funny, bearing in mind the nationality of the world no. 1 you'd think tennis followers would have embraced neutrality more by now. Anyway, don't care a jot about Kolya's lack of charisma, I just find him to be a bit of a tedious ball-basher. He's certainly merited his TMC place, it'll be interesting to see if he pulls a Costa and claims a big scalp in his group when everyone expected him to get the wooden spoon.
By the time everyone has pulled out with injuries, Davydenko will probably be favourite to win it :o

Jimnik
11-01-2005, 10:11 PM
He won't get the wooden spoon.
On current form, Coria is on course to get the TMC wooden spoon again.

TheBoiledEgg
11-01-2005, 10:50 PM
go Kolya, stick it up them :)

they probably dont like him
cos
a) he's Russian
b) looks like he's had acid poured over him
c) is a little midget
d) has a funny geek hairstyle.

MariaV
11-01-2005, 10:52 PM
go Kolya, stick it up them :)

they probably dont like him
cos
a) he's Russian
b) looks like he's had acid poured over him
c) is a little midget
d) has a funny geek hairstyle.

e) doesn't speak good English

adee-gee
11-01-2005, 10:53 PM
e) doesn't speak good English
f) represents a country he wasn't born in

mangoes
11-01-2005, 11:01 PM
Not here on this forum, but in the press. I've seen several slams against Nikolay in different media

Tennis X Web site writes

It's bad enough that personality-deficient Russian Nikolay Davydenko will likely clinch the final open spot in the field over the exciting Ivan Ljubicic...

Ouch!

Neil Harman of the Times chimes in with this:

Comfortable association with fellow players on the tour has been hard to come by for Rusedski, although his popularity would increase eight-fold in the aftermath of a victory over Davydenko, arguably the least marketable commodity in the mix for a place in the Masters Cup in Shanghai this month.

Yikes.

Am I missing something about Davydenko? Is he unlikable or surly (like my Coria), or is all this vitriol being spewed at him simply because he has "no personality"?

I think Davydenko just goes about playing tennis and doesn't offer up the drama that the press sometimes craves.

alelysafina
11-01-2005, 11:58 PM
I think Davydenko just goes about playing tennis and doesn't offer up the drama that the press sometimes craves.

That's very true. Nikolay is a very quiet guy, he does like to smile and joke around, but only when he's comfortable.

He's no Marat Safin, we all know that and that's not a bad thing. He's just Kolya, and I wish that people would just be happy with all that he has achieved and stop talking about his lack of "charisma" because when it comes down to it, "charisma" doesn't win tournaments or Grand Slams.

Sjengster
11-02-2005, 12:01 AM
go Kolya, stick it up them :)

they probably dont like him
cos
a) he's Russian
b) looks like he's had acid poured over him
c) is a little midget
d) has a funny geek hairstyle.

And yet his game is obviously far more exciting to you than similar "Mr. Nobodies" of recent years such as Novak, Schuettler et al... unless there's some other reason you root for him. I wonder what that could be? :scratch:

LaTenista
11-02-2005, 01:14 AM
:scratch: Could it be he's Ukranian but playing for Russia? Not like he's fooling anyone, I mean isn't it obvious Davy sticks out like a sore thumb amongst the Russians (Safin, Youzhny, Andreev, even Tursunov).

I don't love or hate him, but I saw a few of his matches at Cincy and found his game a bit :yawn:.

Yes, the media writes mean and nasty things but nonetheless pretty much true. :shrug: It's not fair but neither is life and I'm sure he doesn't read all these articles, he wouldn't have the time.

alfonsojose
11-02-2005, 01:53 AM
He is a hot baldy :drool:

Scotso
11-02-2005, 02:02 AM
They're jealous 'cuz he's hung like a horse.

bad gambler
11-02-2005, 02:41 AM
f) represents a country he wasn't born in

davai ukraine :rocker2:


he is a good player

TheBoiledEgg
11-02-2005, 04:43 AM
And yet his game is obviously far more exciting to you than similar "Mr. Nobodies" of recent years such as Novak, Schuettler et al... unless there's some other reason you root for him. I wonder what that could be? :scratch:

age :p


Shittler had his fluke yr when he was 27, also Novak was 27

Kolya is only 24

this yr's Mr Nobody would be Puerta :devil:

tennischick
11-02-2005, 04:48 AM
this yr's Mr Nobody would be Puerta :devil:
agree -- only if he gets cleared of drugs charges. the back-up honor goes to Rusedski -- Britain's #1 :eek: :eek:

mer
11-02-2005, 09:50 AM
f) represents a country he wasn't born in

He was born in USSR. Formally speaking all russian players represent country they were not born in. :p

Sjengster
11-02-2005, 01:55 PM
age :p


Shittler had his fluke yr when he was 27, also Novak was 27

Kolya is only 24

this yr's Mr Nobody would be Puerta :devil:

Ah, so it's NOT the three letters next to his name in the draw... I see. ;)

Melekhin
11-02-2005, 02:52 PM
:ras:

I don't care what anyone here or in the press say. I love Davydenko :hug:


:worship:

richard gasquet
11-02-2005, 04:27 PM
I dont like him,no charisma,play boring tennis and bashed better and more talented players than him such as gasquet :o

next time richard will meet him he will crash him :devil: :angel:

case
11-02-2005, 04:33 PM
I dont like him,no charisma,play boring tennis and bashed better and more talented players than him such as gasquet :o

next time richard will meet him he will crash him :devil: :angel:


EXACTLY

Didnt Davydenko cry in locker room when he lost to GASQUET several years ago?

case
11-02-2005, 04:35 PM
They're jealous 'cuz he's hung like a horse.


How do you know that??

Im just curious. Okay VERY curious.

Sjengster
11-02-2005, 09:37 PM
I dont like him,no charisma,play boring tennis and bashed better and more talented players than him such as gasquet :o

next time richard will meet him he will crash him :devil: :angel:

I agree with what you say at the beginning here, charisma aside, but I must admit I found myself supporting him in the DC match, just because Gasquet was playing so lazily and petulantly in the last two sets, going for daft low-percentage winners and missing them by miles. It looked to me like he couldn't be bothered to make the effort to dig in and get back into the match, while Davydenko was all discipline and commitment on the other side of the net.

Scotso
11-03-2005, 12:10 AM
How do you know that??

Im just curious. Okay VERY curious.

KBF knows all.

Jimnik
11-03-2005, 12:14 AM
next time richard will meet him he will crash him :devil: :angel:
What was the score in the Davis Cup? :p