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why is there an MTF bias?

ginny_legend
10-31-2005, 02:02 PM
why is there a clay bias on MTF and an anti-grass/hardcourt bias? if anyone slags off clay they get a mouthful, but its ok to do the latter.. sort it out MTF boyos!

shotgun
10-31-2005, 02:04 PM
Clay is a third-world country surface. Think for yourself. :p

Kristen
10-31-2005, 02:15 PM
It takes skill to play on the dirt, or so I hear. I'm not saying it isn't true, it's just that I don't generally follow many clay courters. Being a Jonas/Alex fan, you kinda hang out for grass to arrive.

star
10-31-2005, 02:20 PM
Ummmm Takes skill to play on all the surfaces.

I like all the surfaces in their turn, except for indoors. And I don't dislike that for the surface (although not a big carpet fan) but rather for the atmosphere, plus there's all the indoor time in the winter in Europe when the tour could be in the southern hemisphere soaking up the sun. :)

napki
10-31-2005, 02:41 PM
I don't think there is actually... :confused:
Everyone has his/her own fave surface. It took me a while to get into clay tennis, for ex. . It's much slower surface so you don't get to see a lot of winners, and for a while it was a really big factor for me for not liking it. If you prefer to see an aggressive play and end up watching two guys running on the court like they're doing a marathon you won't like it either. :p
Though i guess it changed a lil bit, 'cause lately i found some of clay matches that are very interesting to watch

Chloe le Bopper
10-31-2005, 03:35 PM
:retard:

Baseline
10-31-2005, 05:33 PM
Clay is a third-world country surface. Think for yourself. :p

Many Europeans play on clay, are you saying Europe is third world? It's not. What is your definition of third world anyway?

shotgun
10-31-2005, 05:37 PM
Many Europeans play on clay, are you saying Europe is third world? It's not. What is your definition of third world anyway?

:silly:

savesthedizzle
10-31-2005, 05:38 PM
Because clay rocks.

And serve-fests are boring. :p

Peta Pan
10-31-2005, 05:41 PM
:retard: :silly:

*Ljubica*
10-31-2005, 05:45 PM
Because clay rocks.

And serve-fests are boring. :p

:yeah: Also - I think it's very relevant that a large number of MTF members come from the parts of the world where clay court tennis is the major surface - ie South America and Europe. Of course that doesn't mean that people from the States can't appreciate clay courts or that people from Argentina (for example) can't enjoy grass or hard - of course they can - but as a general rule, people prefer the style of tennis they saw more on TV when growing up or the surface they play on themselves - and a very large percentage of MTF members come from "clay court" areas of the world.

star
10-31-2005, 06:34 PM
:yeah: Also - I think it's very relevant that a large number of MTF members come from the parts of the world where clay court tennis is the major surface - ie South America and Europe. Of course that doesn't mean that people from the States can't appreciate clay courts or that people from Argentina (for example) can't enjoy grass or hard - of course they can - but as a general rule, people prefer the style of tennis they saw more on TV when growing up or the surface they play on themselves - and a very large percentage of MTF members come from "clay court" areas of the world.

I can see what you are saying for South America, but Europe has many many tournaments played on surfaces other than clay and has produced many many players who excell on grass and hardcourts. I don't think that's the explanation for liking a particular surface.

I like clay and grass because my early favorites excelled on those surfaces.

tangerine_dream
10-31-2005, 07:00 PM
I've seen just as many boring matches on clay as I have at Wimbledon so I don't get the bias/clay preference either.

Angle Queen
10-31-2005, 07:09 PM
:scratch: I don't have a 'surface' preference for the pros...at all. :shrug:

revolution
10-31-2005, 07:18 PM
Well I have been dismissed and blasted to the ends of the earth for being a grass fan, so the thread starter kinda has a point. I know nothing about tennis because I am one.

star
10-31-2005, 07:45 PM
:hug: Sorry about that. :)

Sometimes MTF is a little like high school and certain cliques are mean to the others who don't agree with them. I can't see how adoring clay and hating grass makes one more of a "tennis fan." Maybe one is less of a tennis fan for hating one of the classic surfaces. :) :) :)

Fee
10-31-2005, 07:48 PM
AngleQueen, you freak, you'll be banned for that!!!!! ( :hug: )

Joeyd, word. I feel your pain. :hug:

shotgun
10-31-2005, 07:49 PM
I like grass and I think that the grass season should be longer.

savesthedizzle
10-31-2005, 07:52 PM
Well I have been dismissed and blasted to the ends of the earth for being a grass fan, so the thread starter kinda has a point. I know nothing about tennis because I am one.


Aww, but I still love you. :smooch:

My first response WAS half joking by the way, hence the :p at the end... my surface preferences change as I as a fan change. Growing up, grass was my favorite because with school and all Wimbledon was the only tournament I ever got to watch since it was in the summer and when I was like 12 or so my favorite player was Sampras so it worked.

Then as I started to get really into tennis, I was drawn to the clay courters and since I liked to see my favorites do well, clay became more of my favorite.

At this point though, truthfully, I don't care what surface it is as long as its a good match.

revolution
10-31-2005, 08:09 PM
Aww, but I still love you. :smooch:

My first response WAS half joking by the way, hence the :p at the end... my surface preferences change as I as a fan change. Growing up, grass was my favorite because with school and all it was the only tournament I ever got to watch since it was in the summer and when I was like 12 or so my favorite player was Sampras so it worked.

Then as I started to get really into tennis, I was drawn to the clay courters and since I liked to see my favorites do well, clay became more of my favorite.

At this point though, truthfully, I don't care what surface it is as long as its a good match.


awwww :smooch:

Fee
10-31-2005, 08:13 PM
At this point though, truthfully, I don't care what surface it is as long as its a good match.

See, that's how you get banned from MTF, posting a perfectly sensible post in GM. Don't let it happen again young lady.

:D

savesthedizzle
10-31-2005, 08:14 PM
See, that's how you get banned from MTF, posting a perfectly sensible post in GM. Don't let it happen again young lady.

:D


I knew it was risky Fee, but I just had to do it. It'll never happen again. ;)

Clara Bow
10-31-2005, 08:43 PM
Well- truth be told I have seen bias for/against both fast and slow surfaces- and neither have really struck out to me more in terms of leaning more towards one direction to the next.

I have seen fast court surface players dismissed here as being nothing but servers and power players.

But- I have also seen players who do well on clay dismissed as grinders, defensive "bumrooters," and baseline backboards.

I hate that both types are dismissed- but truth be told I haven't noticed it coming from more one end or the other.

NYCtennisfan
10-31-2005, 11:40 PM
There are posters on this board who don't tlike particular surfaces and this includes all the surfaces. There are clay haters, grass haters, etc. The reason that there seems to be a bias such as the one you talk about is because there are a few posters who are quite vocal on this board who will feel it necessary to defend clay if it has been "attacked" and then go on the offensive themselves against grass. then there will some posters who come out of the woodwork to complain about clay.

The whole thing is ridiculous really. If someone prefers to watch tennis on a particular surface, great! A lot of the times it has a lot to do with the tennis you first watched growing up--I pariticularly like playing and watching fast court tennis because that was what I grew up playing on and watching. I also like watching claycourt tennis. Given a preference, I would go with a hardcourt, carpet or grass but that doesn't mean I don't like clay, think it's inferior, don't understand its nuances, etc.

NYCtennisfan
10-31-2005, 11:43 PM
Sometimes MTF is a little like high school and certain cliques are mean to the others who don't agree with them. I can't see how adoring clay and hating grass makes one more of a "tennis fan." Maybe one is less of a tennis fan for hating one of the classic surfaces.

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bad gambler
10-31-2005, 11:52 PM
:lol: @ this thread

:silly:

amierin
10-31-2005, 11:59 PM
I'm a tennis fan. Being from the States I was used to seeing hardcourt matches and couldn't fathom clay for anything. And forget Wimbledon.

As I have matured as a person and a fan I've come to appreciate all surfaces but right now my "bias" is towards clay. I prefer to see clay court matches because you actually see how an individual thinks, how his/her mind works. I still like the hardcourt game though. Yes it requires a different skill set but with US tennis in the state it is now, no point building just serve, serve, maybe a volley or two, and serve, the words "mindless" and "ball bashing" come to mind. I've posted many times that American players need to get back to the "thinking" part of tennis and until our players do no matter the surface they'll lose to other more complete players. When you can think your way through a match no matter the surface you'll be able to construct some kind of a game.

This doesn't mean that there aren't "clay court specialists" or "hard court specialists" or those who specialize in grass court play. There are and always will be men/women who play better on a particular surface. I don't like the name calling and disparaging of players who prefer a particular surface or play better on it because of their skill sets or just plain liking one surface better than another.

MTF may seem to have a lot of people who like players who play well on clay but I still don't see some of the nastiness you find on other boards based in the States where those who play well on clay are called "punk ass dirtballers" or "dirtballers", an epithet I despise while "hard court specialists" and "grass court specialists" are elevated to sainthood.

We can all debate our preferences as long as the discourse is civil.

Haute
11-01-2005, 02:38 AM
I don't think it's a bias toward a surface, but a bias against other members. :p

Action Jackson
11-01-2005, 04:03 AM
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jole
11-01-2005, 04:08 AM
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Tears roll down. :bigcry:

ys
11-01-2005, 04:10 AM
why is there a clay bias on MTF and an anti-grass/hardcourt bias? if anyone slags off clay they get a mouthful, but its ok to do the latter.. sort it out MTF boyos!

Simple.. Because it is a surface that allows the talentless to achieve.. The proles like the talentless..

Now tell me, who is better, Sampras on clay or Nadal on grass, or Kuerten on anything but clay? Sampras reached semis at RG, reached quarters many times, won TMS on clay.. Yet he is getting ridiculed for his clay "inability".. Now lets look at achievement of our two shit-ballers.. Ever reached semis on any of THREE faster surfaces? Never.. Just a talentless bunch liking another talentless bunch.. Plus young girls liking hot Latino boys.. Simple.. All appeal of clay.. :wavey:

Action Jackson
11-01-2005, 04:11 AM
Tears roll down. :bigcry:

Yes, that they do especially since I found out today that utopia doesn't exist, that was a horrible realisation.

Fee, this board wouldn't exist if they allowed commonsense.

Lee
11-01-2005, 04:14 AM
http://forums.macmerc.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/whine.gif

A very good smilie but I like the old GWH :p

Haute
11-01-2005, 04:17 AM
Yes, that they do especially since I found out today that utopia doesn't exist, that was a horrible realisation.

Fee, this board wouldn't exist if they allowed commonsense.

Which is why WTA World is so successful. ;)

Neely
11-01-2005, 02:39 PM
Well I have been dismissed and blasted to the ends of the earth for being a grass fan, so the thread starter kinda has a point. I know nothing about tennis because I am one.
I'm also a huge fan of grasscourt tennis, let's be grass fans together, and then it will be much more difficult to blast both of us to the ends of earth! :hug:

:woohoo: