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Marat withdraws from Shanghai

asotgod
10-29-2005, 01:31 PM
http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/v4/l0/s57/e7346/sport_lng0_spo57_evt7346_sto783458.shtml


Not sure about the authenticity but it's on Eurosport.

virex
10-29-2005, 01:33 PM
according to brazil´s biggest sport site, Shamil Tarpishchev said that safin is not gonna play in shangai.

"The fact that he´s not playing is the best thing for him (Safin). He must be 100% healthy to get back on the tour. The most important thing right now is to to get in shape to the Australian Open, where he needs to defend his title", said Tarpishchev

R.Federer
10-29-2005, 01:37 PM
Injured Safin out of Masters Cup
Australian Open champion Marat Safin is out of next month's Masters Cup in Shanghai because of a knee injury.
The world number five, who has been troubled by a ligament tear in his left knee since Wimbledon, will rest for the remainder of the season.

He has not played since losing to Robby Ginepri in the quarter-finals of the Cincinnati Masters Series in August.

The Russian is also doubtful for the Hopman Cup, to be played in Australia from 30 December to 6 January.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport2/hi/tennis/4388200.stm

Jimnik
10-29-2005, 01:46 PM
What is this suppose to be? A career-ending injury?

Black Adam
10-29-2005, 01:56 PM
So ljubo and Nalby are nearly certain of making it.

Neely
10-29-2005, 02:01 PM
Ouch, poor Marat and his injuries this season :sad: :(

Jimnik
10-29-2005, 02:03 PM
Well, for once maybe no-one will complain that it's not worthy of two threads.

asotgod
10-29-2005, 02:03 PM
So ljubo and Nalby are nearly certain of making it.

Seems so. At least one more slot available. Any of the guys that is seriously injured should not bother playing IMO. If Roger and Hewitt's injuries are that bad, they should just stay away. There is no need complicating anything for next year. This year is over anyway.

gary
10-29-2005, 02:05 PM
:bigcry:
get well soon Marat :hug:

Horatio Caine
10-29-2005, 02:06 PM
That is really sad news...a fit Marat is always great to watch and he could have added a hell of a lot of extra spice to the Cup.

Now what happens? All top 8 Race players guaranteed to play or is top 7 and a losing GS finalist in top 20? Didn't the ITF try to invoke the latter rule a couple of years ago when determining a reserve player for Masters Cup? :shrug: :confused:

Effka
10-29-2005, 02:09 PM
It's not going to be the same without him, but i still think he made the right decision. I hope that he'll get better and be able to compete at high level next season.

I feel upset, but his health is the prority here.

~EMiLiTA~
10-29-2005, 02:11 PM
that is such sad news :sad:

get well soon Marat...and pls come to Australia!!

Horatio Caine
10-29-2005, 02:12 PM
Seems so. At least one more slot available. Any of the guys that is seriously injured should not bother playing IMO. If Roger and Hewitt's injuries are that bad, they should just stay away. There is no need complicating anything for next year. This year is over anyway.

Yeah good point :yeah:

If Federer's injury really might require surgery then it is best he doesn't play. I don't think Hewitt's toe is all that bad? But he still needs to be with Bec really I guess. Nadal isn't as badly injured as sources have said I don'rt think....he seemed to be fairly okay in Madrid and a 3 week rest tshould help him.

Wow - this MC is looking a little like a joke :(

landoud
10-29-2005, 02:14 PM
too bad ... wish roger can play

asotgod
10-29-2005, 02:15 PM
Yeah good point :yeah:

If Federer's injury really might require surgery then it is best he doesn't play. I don't think Hewitt's toe is all that bad? But he still needs to be with Bec really I guess. Nadal isn't as badly injured as sources have said I don'rt think....he seemed to be fairly okay in Madrid and a 3 week rest tshould help him.

Wow - this MC is looking a little like a joke :(


It sure is looking more like the Women's Tour Championship has been the past 2 years. At least this is an opportunity for the other guys who have always wanted to make the TMC but could not. Their performances this year gives them an opportunity to try to make it.

Of greater importance is the fact that the ATP/ITF need to come up with a better schedule like we have all been saying once and for all. The past 2 years have not ended very favorably at all.

Billabong
10-29-2005, 02:16 PM
Marat:bigcry: Terrible news:sad: Please be healthy for AO!!!

Mara_M
10-29-2005, 02:19 PM
that is such sad news :sad:

get well soon Marat...and pls come to Australia!!
iu're wright...anyway i couldn't see masters cuz it isn't showed on es..buti want marat back! :sad:
it seems all russians are injuryed wright now..what happened? :o

asotgod
10-29-2005, 02:24 PM
Pity for Marat. But hopefully he will learn to follow instructions next time. After Wimbledon, he was supposed to have the surgery. He insisted on playing the U.S Open, which he did not even make and caused himself his favorite sessions of the season. Next time, he will put his health first and not complicate things like he just did now.

croat123
10-29-2005, 02:26 PM
marat :sad:

but good news for ljubo (and nalby)
looks like davydenko is in almost for sure and ivan and david are the heavy favorites to make it, they probably just need one or two wins in paris to guarentee a sport

Truc
10-29-2005, 02:28 PM
What's the source of BBC? Is it sure?
If the only source is Tarpishev's comment, it doesn't mean that Marat will miss the Masters, just that Tarpishev thinks it's the better thing for him to do.

keqtqiadv
10-29-2005, 02:31 PM
So we have a new free spot to TMC...

jazz_girl
10-29-2005, 02:39 PM
This is so bad :sad: I hope he can fully recover very soon.

*Ljubica*
10-29-2005, 02:45 PM
What's the source of BBC? Is it sure?
If the only source is Tarpishev's comment, it doesn't mean that Marat will miss the Masters, just that Tarpishev thinks it's the better thing for him to do.

The report was on Eurosport at 10.00am this morning - now on BBC and all British news channels - so I would say it's accurate. I am so sad for Marat and all his fans - he is a true star and tennis is poorer without his talent and charisma. Get well soon Marat - we miss you :hug:

sigmagirl91
10-29-2005, 02:48 PM
Marat :sad: Get well soon.

novanora
10-29-2005, 02:49 PM
is that official?? if it's real, that will be too bad for TMC. I really hope the hippo can come and play, but since he is out of the court for quite long time, it can be understandable. Now hope Roger can make it :o

Truc
10-29-2005, 03:09 PM
The report was on Eurosport at 10.00am this morning - now on BBC and all British news channels - so I would say it's accurate.
Thanks. I asked this because I couldn't find anything on French websites, so I still had a little hope it's a journalistic mistake (like for the US Open: an ambiguous comment of Tarpishev and all the German newspapers took it for real).
But it sure doesn't look good, I can't imagine that journalists make the same mistake twice.

The German Eurosport website is a complete joke once again, they say that Hewitt, Nadal and Agassi will also miss the Masters Cup, that's why I'm always a little bit suspicious with the Eurosport news: :o
"Die Absagen häufen sich vor dem Masters-Cup der acht weltbesten Spieler in Shanghai vom 13. bis 20. November. Auch Australien-Open-Sieger Marat Safin erklärte seinen Verzicht wegen Verletzungsproblemen. Ein Tag zuvor hatte Lleyton Hewitt auf die Teilnahme am Saisonabschluss-Turnier verzichtet. Schon vor dem Russen und Hewitt hatten der spanische French-Open-Gewinner Rafael Nadal und US-Open-Finalist Andre Agassi ihre Teilnahme in China abgesagt." (Link (http://www.eurosport.de/home/pages/v4/l1/s57/e7346/sport_lng1_spo57_evt7346_sto783503.shtml) )

amierin
10-29-2005, 03:29 PM
I can understand Marat's hesitancy to have knee surgery. I've had it thanks to a ruptured quad tendon. The surgery was performed by one of the top sports doctors here in NYC. The knee is never the same. However if he needs it then he should have it. With his resources he will learn to compensate for any problems after the surgery.

I think the sport needs him. I hope he can play the AO.

gooner88
10-29-2005, 03:50 PM
Get well soon Marat.

HappyAndie
10-29-2005, 03:58 PM
I hate to be so negative, but what if it is a career ending injury? As stubborn as he is, he would probably try to play anyway, which would explain all the pull outs from tournaments. I hope not :(.
The doctors did tell him that he should not have even been playing at Wimbledon. And while I think it was good that he played Wimbledon since he was doing so much better on grass, he def. should have left it alone after that. But, I guess that's the chance you take.
I'm sure he'll be better soon, and will be able to play next year.

On a side note, this masters cup is starting to look a little less than mediocre. If it does turn out that Federer, Nadal, and Hewitt drop as well, that would just not be...fitting of such a tournament. It really is sad for the sport. It's starting to look like the WTA. :)

enqvistfan
10-29-2005, 04:06 PM
What is this suppose to be? A career-ending injury?

Safin is still young, talented and can come back. How many players have been injured and came back !! Don't be so pessimistic !! Tennis needs players like him (even if I'm not one of his biggest fans, he's interesting for tennis)

yanchr
10-29-2005, 04:28 PM
Marat :sad: I want to see you play in Shanghai :(

Roger, pls don't make Shanghai a joke in the end.

TheBoiledEgg
10-29-2005, 04:42 PM
Marat :sad: :( :(
we could see it coming :( :(

wonder who advised him to rest instead of having the op in June/July :mad:

RonE
10-29-2005, 05:58 PM
Such a shame but really Marat only has himself to blame.

He played Wimbledon against doctor's orders. He should have had surgery earlier but didn't. And then he came back too soon in Cincinnati against doctor's again and tried preparing for the USO but had to withdraw.

Sorry to sound harsh but stupid is what stupid does and now he is paying the price.

hablovah19
10-29-2005, 06:06 PM
get well soon, Safin :sad:
so unlucky with all these injuries :hug:

Phunkadelicious
10-29-2005, 06:24 PM
its too bad, I was hoping for another Safin Fed epic

Flibbertigibbet
10-29-2005, 07:41 PM
Sad - but I hope he can recover by the Australian Open, that's more important.

Jennay
10-29-2005, 08:13 PM
:sad: :sad: :sad:

Please fully recover soon, Marat. :hug: This knee injury doesn't seem to be getting any better. :(

rofe
10-29-2005, 08:15 PM
If this is true, I think this is for the better. I would rather have a fit but rusty Marat playing the AO rather than an unfit and rusty Marat playing the TMC !!

mandoura
10-29-2005, 09:16 PM
:sad:

mangoes
10-29-2005, 10:05 PM
This is sad news. I hope Marat's knee heals for next year's season. I have a sneaky feeling that Roger will also be withdrawing.

NINA_BCN
10-29-2005, 10:07 PM
:sobbing:

Truc
10-29-2005, 10:14 PM
There is still nothing about it in the newspapers I just checked.
I don't think it's official yet.

sigmagirl91
10-29-2005, 10:19 PM
Truc, the British media already has wind of this. I am just curious as to why L'Equipe, the wonderful reporting machine that it is, hasn't gotten wind of it yet.

Truc
10-29-2005, 10:27 PM
My guess is that they don't mention it because it's not official yet and the other reports are only based on Tarpishev comments. I didn't check only "L'Équipe", also German newspapers.

I just had a look at Safin's website, the webmaster says nobody hasn't been officially advised of any withdrawal.

sigmagirl91
10-29-2005, 10:28 PM
From what I understand, Tarpischev isn't exactly "gossip central."

lau
10-29-2005, 10:35 PM
From what I understand, Tarpischev isn't exactly "gossip central."
:haha: Yes, he is!!! ;) (and this is not the first time...)

From Marat`s website ;)
RE: Shanghai
Author: Webmaster (webby)
Date:
29-10-2005 15:00

It is amazing how every news wire has picked up something that Shamil Tarpischev has said and decided that it is true.
No the Masters Cup hasn't put anything because as at this time they haven't been officially advised of any withdrawal.
Seems everybody forgets the last time Shamil Tarpischev gave details about Marats knee injury and how long he would be out for, that Marat himself said later in an interview I don't know how Shamil can say that when I haven't spoken to him in 3 weeks and when we did speak we didn't even talk about my knee.
As of this morning as far as I was told Marat was still going to Shanghai and then 3 hours later it was all over the wires that he had withdrawn as per Shamil Tarpischev.
I am not saying that Marat will play as there are still too many reasons why he may not, BUT I will not post anything until I am given the official statement by his management which is when they have had the time to officially advise the tournament directors.
That is the current story. And to those French fans who asked - Marat will still go to Paris this week to do the promotions for Adidas but he won't be staying in Bercy. I am not sure if he will actually go to Bercy or not.
Any news and I will post it.
webby

sigmagirl91
10-29-2005, 10:46 PM
Wow...thanks. Tarpischev is a real spin doctor, isn't he?

lau
10-29-2005, 10:51 PM
That`s Tarpi :lol:

asotgod
10-29-2005, 11:35 PM
Thanks lau. Guess Tarpi shouldn't be listened too. We'll have to wait to hear what Marat has to say then.

Jimnik
10-30-2005, 12:03 AM
Maybe it hasn't been confirmed yet but it must be very unlikely that he'll play. Tarpischev hasn't been the only one, Dinara also mentioned at some point that she thought it very unlikely that Marat would play again this year.

I'll rate his chances at about 10%.

lau
10-30-2005, 12:08 AM
If Tarpi said Marat withdrew, there are still hopes :lol: :p

Kristine
10-30-2005, 08:16 AM
well i hope he recovers in time for AO - I've bought series package tix just to see at least one Marat game!

safdem
10-30-2005, 09:46 AM
:crying2:
please get well soon marat..defend ur AO title in 2006

Action Jackson
10-30-2005, 10:28 AM
If he does withdraw, then it will be disappointing for the tournament, though better for Marat's health as he should be focused on defending his AO crown.

robinhood
10-30-2005, 11:35 AM
If Marat skips the rest of the season, will he even still be in the Top 10?

Jimnik
10-30-2005, 12:29 PM
If Marat skips the rest of the season, will he even still be in the Top 10?
Possibly not. It depends on the results of Gaudio, Puerta, Gonzo, Nalba and all the chasing pack. He could be as low as 12th or 13th at the start of next year. Most likely, he'll be 10th.

Ruski
10-30-2005, 01:18 PM
Poor Marat!!!
The tour needs him!!!
Please be healthy again soon!!!

athie
10-30-2005, 01:33 PM
sorry if already mentioned - sky news just reported Tims out :rolleyes:
ps. said he has a rib injury

MariaV
10-30-2005, 08:23 PM
Well, I doubt Marat will play Shanghai w/o any match practice for months. That would be really stupid. :rolleyes:
I won't comment on Shamil T. any more. :tape:

tangerine_dream
10-30-2005, 08:25 PM
How can Safin be out for months with a ligament tear but Roger says he'll be ready for Shanghai after only a few weeks with the same injury? :confused:

MariaV
10-30-2005, 08:28 PM
How can Safin be out for months with a ligament tear but Roger says he'll be ready for Shanghai after only a few weeks with the same injury? :confused:
You tell me. :rolleyes:

tangerine_dream
10-30-2005, 08:31 PM
I wasn't trying to be a smartass, I really want to know what's up. Tennis has been kinda boring without Marat.

nobama
10-30-2005, 08:33 PM
How can Safin be out for months with a ligament tear but Roger says he'll be ready for Shanghai after only a few weeks with the same injury? :confused:Well Rogelio never said he was ready, just that he was 'optimistic'. He said on TV he would go to Shanghai and decide there if he'll play. So it's not a for sure thing that he'll play.

MariaV
10-30-2005, 08:34 PM
I wasn't trying to be a smartass, I really want to know what's up. Tennis has been kinda boring without Marat.
LOL, the :rolleyes: was not to you but to that I would also like to know what's REALLY going on, sorry if you misunderstood.
I make it interesting for me even w/o Marat. ;)

MariaV
10-30-2005, 08:36 PM
Well Rogelio never said he was ready, just that he was 'optimistic'. He said on TV he would go to Shanghai and decide there if he'll play. So it's not a for sure thing that he'll play.
I love you calling him Rogelio now. :hearts: :lol: What lovestories and drama on ATP tour. :lol:

maratski
10-30-2005, 09:20 PM
Such a shame but really Marat only has himself to blame.

He played Wimbledon against doctor's orders. He should have had surgery earlier but didn't. And then he came back too soon in Cincinnati against doctor's again and tried preparing for the USO but had to withdraw.

Sorry to sound harsh but stupid is what stupid does and now he is paying the price.

It's the story of his career. Marat, his brain and his management is a lethal combination. :sad:

maratski
10-30-2005, 09:25 PM
How can Safin be out for months with a ligament tear but Roger says he'll be ready for Shanghai after only a few weeks with the same injury? :confused:

I can't believe I'm actually giving a "normal" reply to one of your posts ;)

I've always noticed Roger, Juanca and others have smarter people around them who do the necessary to keep their players in good health. With Marat it's always different imo. One bad decision is made after the other and for some reason it always takes ages before finding the "right" person for treatment. :retard:

ExpectedWinner
10-30-2005, 09:28 PM
How can Safin be out for months with a ligament tear but Roger says he'll be ready for Shanghai after only a few weeks with the same injury? :confused:

LOL, first of all, different parts of the body/ligaments are involved. Second, we don't have their medical records and can't come to the conclusions about the severity of their injures based on rumors.
Third, those of you who desperately want Fed to disappear indefinitely from the ATP tour, there's still hope - the surgery will accomplish it. As I found out today from the doctor who works with our Estonian ski and figure skating teams, they usually wait 6 weeks before deciding on the surgery. This means that Federer is not out of the woods yet.

mer
10-30-2005, 09:34 PM
I've always noticed Roger, Juanca and others have smarter people around them who do the necessary to keep their players in good health. With Marat it's always different imo. One bad decision is made after the other and for some reason it always takes ages before finding the "right" person for treatment. :retard:

"right" or "wrong" person for treatment, Marat's injury requires more than couple of weeks to heal. So either Roger's injury is less serious or he gonna repeat Marat's mistake and play with painkillers. I hope he'll be smarter than Marat.

MariaV
10-30-2005, 09:34 PM
LOL, first of all, different parts of the body/ligaments are involved. Second, we don't have their medical records and can't come to the conclusions about the severity of their injures based on rumors.
Third, those of you who desperately want Fed to dissappear indefinitely from the ATP tour, there's still hope - the surgery will accomplish it. As I found out today from the doctor who works with our Estonian ski and figure skating teams, they usually wait 6 weeks before deciding on the surgery. This means that Federer is not out of the woods yet.
Estonian?????

ExpectedWinner
10-30-2005, 09:36 PM
Estonian?????

Yes, Estonian. Are you surpised that we have National teams? :lol:
If it's the flag that confuses you- I'm Russian, was born in St. Pete(former Leningrad), but I've been living in Tallinn since 1992. :wavey:

MariaV
10-30-2005, 10:28 PM
It's Tallinn actually and yes, I KNOW about the national teams, I live here, I'm Estonian. ;) :D

ExpectedWinner
10-30-2005, 10:52 PM
It's Tallinn actually

Ok, I thought both variations are acceptable, no? At least the travelling guide I bought in Phoenix(AZ) says "Tallin" . :confused:

MariaV
10-30-2005, 11:04 PM
Ok, I thought both variations are acceptable, no?
Umm, not officially really, although some Russians still write it this way. :p
Sorry for going off-topic ppl. :o

nobama
10-30-2005, 11:49 PM
I love you calling him Rogelio now. :hearts: :lol: What lovestories and drama on ATP tour. :lol:Hey, the name is cute. And coined by his new best friend Rafa. :lol:

asotgod
11-02-2005, 02:54 PM
Just about a minute ago, Eurosport again posted that it's official now that Safin wont play in Shanghai. I hope this is no hose this time. Anyone with more concrete information on that? Thanks.

squirtkb97
11-02-2005, 03:02 PM
It's on his official site now too, so I'd say it's true this time.

The Safinator
11-02-2005, 03:05 PM
from http://maratsafin.com :((((((((((((

Marat has today officially withdrawn from playing at the Shanghai Masters Cup BUT he will go there to do promotional work for the Masters Cup and Shanghai. So people in Shanghai will still see him and I am sure there will be chances for signing for people too.
For Paris fans - Marat will be in Bercy this weekend as he will present the winner's trophy to the lucky winner.
In the meantime he is continuing working on the knee rehabilitation and we will have a better idea after Shanghai as to his schedule leading up to the Australian Open.

asotgod
11-02-2005, 03:12 PM
Thanks the Safinator. Hopefully, he recovers and gets back to form in time for the AUSOPEN.

ys
11-02-2005, 03:25 PM
Somehow, I think that it might have been a mistake not to have a surgery right away.. He will be out for a total of 6 months anyway.

lau
11-02-2005, 04:53 PM
ys, I`m not trying to be a smartass here, but.... how do you know he needed surgery?
Knee injuries are not easy injuries and are not all the same type of injuries. I guess some of them need surgeries and some of them are treated better with other kind of treatments. ;) Plus, from what I understand, the latest "tendency" is to avoid surgery when it`s possible.
I really have no idea about it... But I don´t really know how everybody knows he needed/needs surgery.... :shrug:

tennisinparis
11-02-2005, 10:44 PM
thats sad since this tournament was tailor-made for him. maybe next year.

drf716
11-03-2005, 12:38 AM
well marat i guess thanks for the boring and uneventful past months

ys
11-03-2005, 06:02 AM
ys, I`m not trying to be a smartass here, but.... how do you know he needed surgery?

It was in many of interviews of him and Tarpishev.. that they are doing all possible to avoid surgery.. They knew very well, that surgery would put him out for 4-6 months right away.. He wanted to make it to US Open, to end of year tourneys.. He gambled.. It clearly didn't pay off..

The way the last official statement from his camp sounds, it looks like even AO is quite a doubt..

idolwatcher1
11-03-2005, 06:54 AM
Safin won't defend his AO title next year...someone else will win it...I'm really sorry the injury has taken him out of so much :sad:

breakingthehabit
11-03-2005, 07:02 AM
having read the thread, i found alot of people blaming Marat for not taking the surgery option for his knee. but as far as i know, surgery may increase the chance of getting a recurrent injury because the damaged part / scar tissue is not as strong anymore. maybe that's what got him thinkin'

Puschkin
11-03-2005, 07:29 AM
It's the story of his career. Marat, his brain and his management is a lethal combination. :sad:

Yeah, he should hire some of us to do the job ;) .

jenanun
11-03-2005, 10:43 AM
hm...

i am wondering who is next?



really hope safin will be fit before AO and defend his title there.....

lau
11-03-2005, 11:10 AM
It was in many of interviews of him and Tarpishev.. that they are doing all possible to avoid surgery.. They knew very well, that surgery would put him out for 4-6 months right away.. He wanted to make it to US Open, to end of year tourneys.. He gambled.. It clearly didn't pay off..

The way the last official statement from his camp sounds, it looks like even AO is quite a doubt..
Well, I would ignore Tarpishev interviews. ;) Specially when Marat himself said that Tarpishev didn´t know how his knee injury was, didn´t talk about it with him, etc, etc. :o Are you sure that T. was not the only one mentioning surgery in that interview?
I might be wrong, maybe Marat mention it too, that`s a possibility... IMO, he obviously gambled in Cincy (and Wimbledon?) and it seems it didn´t pay off...
But, (and this is not personal, I`ve heard about it in "press" articles too) saying he needs/needed surgery is a little too much :lol: We, as far as I know, are not specialists and don´t know EXACTLY how his injury is and when a pro athlete is a candidate for knee surgery....