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Monfils def Gicquel 6-4 6-1

DhammaTiger
10-28-2005, 02:42 PM
Am I the only one to notice Monfils? He is totally overlooked on this site. IMO he will be a force in the top ten pretty soon. Incidentally,aside from the tennis, the match vs Gicquel was very interesting in another sense. The initials of both players were reversed, thus, Gael Monfils (GM) bt Marc Gicquel (MG). :) I wonder, if other matches had this coincidence.

Aurora
10-28-2005, 02:48 PM
There's been made notice of Gael on this site, but, like his results, it has faded a bit during the year. But check the threads made about him this time last year...

skel1983
10-28-2005, 02:48 PM
Am I the only one to notice Monfils? He is totally overlooked on this site. IMO he will be a force in the top ten pretty soon. Incidentally,aside from the tennis, the match vs Gicquel was very interesting in another sense. The initials of both players were reversed, thus, Gael Monfils (GM) bt Marc Gicquel (MG). :) I wonder, if other matches had this coincidence.


I will have any money in the world he will not be top ten. He is decent, but nothing more. No dis respect to Monfils, but he is lacking for me anyway that extra bit of class like a Gasquet or Nadal, he will probably be a player around 15-25.

skel1983
10-28-2005, 02:53 PM
My apologies let me re phrase that, Monfils might one day in his career make the top ten, for a week maybe a month maybe a few months, but i honestly beleive he will not be a reqular top ten player, like a Hewitt-Roddick-Agassi or Safin, he is just lacking that extra ingredient, for me anyway.

C3PO
10-28-2005, 03:05 PM
Mark my words: Gael Monfils will be Top 30 soon. :) That's all I can predict. But I'm very confident about his future. For about a year people in this forum or in French forum were saying: "Well he's not bad, maybe he can make Top 50" .. Since he is in the Top 50, people have changed their opinion and said: "Not bad he can be Top 30 one day" .. And now they say: "Yes he can be Top 10 for a few weeks".. Soon they will say "Not bad, he can be number 1 for a few months maybe" :)

skel1983
10-28-2005, 03:11 PM
Mark my words: Gael Monfils will be Top 30 soon. :) That's all I can predict. But I'm very confident about his future. For about a year people in this forum or in French forum were saying: "Well he's not bad, maybe he can make Top 50" .. Since he is in the Top 50, people have changed their opinion and said: "Not bad he can be Top 30 one day" .. And now they say: "Yes he can be Top 10 for a few weeks".. Soon they will say "Not bad, he can be number 1 for a few months maybe" :)

I doubt that very much, He is all power, not much tactically for me, i have watched him dozens of times, he is obviously a good tennis player, but he will not be one the best in the game, i know he is only young but for me there is a few guys around the same age who for me will go further, and then theres the old guard your Hewitts-Safins-Roddick-Nlabandian etc etc.
I honestly feel his niche will be around 20 in the world.

DhammaTiger
10-28-2005, 03:34 PM
I totally disagree with you,skel1983. I think he is improving constantly. If you saw his match with Gicquel today, you could see he was using his tactical brain. He was a break down in the first set and came back. I think he will give Gasquet a hard time for the position of French number one. No one can predict the future, and who would have this year thought that Nadal will be such a force in tennis.

Horatio Caine
10-28-2005, 04:06 PM
He might peak in the top 10 as Ljubo will...but he won't be consistent. He is top 20/30 IMO

Frederick16
10-28-2005, 04:08 PM
he plays like a coward. i mean it not bad. but why 3 meter behind the baseline against gaudio indoors??? he has such big power. i wanna see him bomb everyone off the court!! :)

prima donna
10-28-2005, 04:18 PM
:confused: I'd like to see Gael work on his game a bit more and become a much more athletic version of Marat Safin, honestly, if he had the strategy coupled with the power he has right now he'd be a force to be reckoned with ... I can picture him in the Top 5 ... it's all hope right now though ... sadly ...

Keep playing Gael, just keep playing. That's all you can really do. Success will come eventually, it's pathetic that there are so many people on this site that are completely down on him. I don't know if it's because of his race or what the problem seems to be.

Gasquet isn't superior to Monfils, actually, Monfils has progressed at a much faster pace than Gasquet ever did ... remember .. Richard has been on Tour for quite some time now ... who can really consider him a newcomer ? He has a beautiful game though, but remember, Roddick isn't that much of a player either, with low-level athleticism and look where it's landed him. Wake up ...

Frederick16
10-28-2005, 04:21 PM
roddick is sooooo good. and gasquet is soooo talented. monfils is a hard hitter. he can be a sort ivan in the future...

WF4EVER
10-28-2005, 05:09 PM
I think Gael would benefit a lot from better coaching. He may be all power now but he can add some variety to his game. He moves well already but he needs more stamina and precision, not to mention stategy. I think he has a lot of potential considering this is only his first complete year on the men's tour.

From his arrival as a pro he has had some good wins over established players. He is young and young in his pro career. I really think he needs a better coach and I hope he realizes sooner than later. He has done well so far and I am very proud of him but he needs to develop his game if he wants to contend with the real top players in the game.

DhammaTiger
10-28-2005, 05:34 PM
Gael is only 19, for heaven's sake! Not everyone is Nadal, look how long it took Federer to develop. IMO at his age he plays better than Roddick did at that age.

Action Jackson
10-28-2005, 05:36 PM
I think Gael would benefit a lot from better coaching. He may be all power now but he can add some variety to his game. He moves well already but he needs more stamina and precision, not to mention stategy. I think he has a lot of potential considering this is only his first complete year on the men's tour.

From his arrival as a pro he has had some good wins over established players. He is young and young in his pro career. I really think he needs a better coach and I hope he realizes sooner than later. He has done well so far and I am very proud of him but he needs to develop his game if he wants to contend with the real top players in the game.

What? He has some good coaches at the moment and doesn't need to change them now, this is first full season he has won a title and will be in the top 50 and that's not good enough for you.

DhammaTiger
10-28-2005, 05:41 PM
What? He has some good coaches at the moment and doesn't need to change them now, this is first full season he has won a title and will be in the top 50 and that's not good enough for you.
Well said!! I couldn't put it better. I hope this shuts up all the negative cynicism, but sigh... I doubt it will.

richard gasquet
10-28-2005, 05:41 PM
Gael Monfils could make "great things",he is very talented,he has a very good mental and always want to progress.He has the ambition of being a champion and I think he can do it :)
he can do well especially on clay,Roland Garros is not that far away from him.just let him some times ;)

WF4EVER
10-28-2005, 07:34 PM
Dtiger, don't be an ass. I wasn't trying to be negative. I was simply trying to express my opinion about ways I think Gael can improve. You and George Whitler need to take a chill pill.

From what I've seen of Gael he has a lot of potential but he still has some way to go in terms of his game and I won't bother to point them out again since I already did.

This is not the juniours anymore and he is not playing people in his own spectrum of experience. These are seasoned players he has to contend with and I don't believe he's getting the best coaching. If you don't agree with that you don't agree; whoever said you had to?

I will never understand people on these boards who get so defensive because someone disagrees with them. AS a matter of fact I wasn't even disagreeing with you because I actually like Gael and think he has so much more to do.

I thought only spoilt brats behaved like that or is it that your opinions are superior to everyone else's. Hurry up and set me straight please.

delsa
10-28-2005, 08:06 PM
Wow! :eek: Heated debate here!

Am I the only one to notice Monfils? He is totally overlooked on this site. IMO he will be a force in the top ten pretty soon. Incidentally,aside from the tennis, the match vs Gicquel was very interesting in another sense. The initials of both players were reversed, thus, Gael Monfils (GM) bt Marc Gicquel (MG). :) I wonder, if other matches had this coincidence.
He's not overlooked. :)
Come and discuss about him in his brand new forum (:banana: ).

Some prejudices or false infos spreaded here could be cleared there.
You'll discover much more about him like he's not cocky as some pretend. He's grown through that period where he tried to make an impact on people and catch their attention the bad way (notably because of critics, some good "spankings" and putting himself in question) and found new ways of expressing his personality, his playfulness, his spontaneity. ;)

About his game: you can see his potential only on indoors i've almost come to think. He realizes his many weaknesses and wants to work on them it seems from what he says.

The fact that he's very tall isn't such a disadvantage because he's "elastic" (lol) and still moves well on a court for a tall guy. Not to mention the advantage it is for his serve (he recently changed it shortening his preparation he explained and he's much more consistant now...).

His volley is efficient but so ugly, non academic for sure...
When he hits the ball well he can fire lazer FHs.

He is still very inconsistant not only overall but in a match too (he makes extraterrestrial shots and then dozens of UEs...), he runs too much to get to every ball in defence, sliding on indoors (:eek: ) on meters and meters, and even if most of the time it forces his opponent to always make a better shot and puts pressure on him it's not always the best tactic. And he tires himself too easily because of that.

He has a tendency to hold his shots back when he's in a position to dictate a point, make an attack, dominate etc...But he's getting more and more conscious of this so it sill soon change i think...Too bad because when he does he can fire winners everywhere. Sometimes he's so naive on a court. He gets fucked when he should have won the point and he's got only himself to blame. :rolleyes: :mad:

But contrary to what is spreaded about him, there's no shot he's really unable to make. He's got good bases plus some best shots. A good start. But he can't do any of them with "finesse". He's not from the old school of Frenchies in that respect. And comparing him with Yannick Noah is stupid because of that. You don't appreciate Gaël to see champagne tennis à la Federer vs. Santoro and maybe you'll will (i doubt he'll develop that way...lol) but he can play well; he'll very likely be of the "powerful" branch, i don't know if hard-hitter is appropriate (what's the exact meaning of this?).

He has a damn lot to work on.

His results since he's a pro: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=58830.

His coaching team is good for him, i think he should keep working with them for now.

(Sorry if all doesn't make sense. English is not my first language as you probably already noticed.)

DhammaTiger
10-28-2005, 08:56 PM
Dtiger, don't be an ass. I wasn't trying to be negative. I was simply trying to express my opinion about ways I think Gael can improve. You and George Whitler need to take a chill pill.

From what I've seen of Gael he has a lot of potential but he still has some way to go in terms of his game and I won't bother to point them out again since I already did.

This is not the juniours anymore and he is not playing people in his own spectrum of experience. These are seasoned players he has to contend with and I don't believe he's getting the best coaching. If you don't agree with that you don't agree; whoever said you had to?

I will never understand people on these boards who get so defensive because someone disagrees with them. AS a matter of fact I wasn't even disagreeing with you because I actually like Gael and think he has so much more to do.

I thought only spoilt brats behaved like that or is it that your opinions are superior to everyone else's. Hurry up and set me straight please.
you don't have to get personal,WF4EVER! I expressed my opinion on people who are negative. If I hurt your feelings then I am sorry. All I am saying is Gael, is showing a lot of potential and from what I see, he will make the top 10. Now, he is improving and getting the feel of the tour, whether he needs a new coach or not,that is not my point and it's too early to judge. As GWH pointed out this is his first year on the tour so, please give him a break. In my humble opinion and experience, every player has to learn from every match they play. If they don't they don't improve and will languish in the bottom of the the top 100, if you like. I think you are entitled to your opinion, as everyone is. All I want to point out that dissing players, who are young and just on the tour, is negative and cynical. By the way, my comment was not aimed at you but at the more negative posts. You at least had some positive points.
delsa, thank you for your invitation, I will come to your forum, and thank you for the very informative and positive post.

musefanatic
10-28-2005, 10:50 PM
Well done gael. Gicquel was certainly great in the first set at the beginning but lost his confidence and monfils of course took a bit of charge there.

He wasn't on the floor as much as usual though! :lol:

Action Jackson
10-29-2005, 06:14 AM
Dtiger, don't be an ass. I wasn't trying to be negative. I was simply trying to express my opinion about ways I think Gael can improve. You and George Whitler need to take a chill pill.

Excuse me, no I don't think my opinion is the gospel. I gave clear reasons as to what you were saying was over the top and sacking his coaches and getting better people in already, when they have done a good job so far, with what he as achieved in first full year on tour, when he starts stagnating or going backwards, then there is case for that. He has a lot to work on and which junior is already a complete player when they come out of juniors.