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Monfils bt Gaudio 6-4 6-3

revolution
10-27-2005, 02:15 PM
Well done Gael! :worship: What a bad match to watch that was though, especially second set, awful.

skel1983
10-27-2005, 02:18 PM
Well done Gael! :worship: What a bad match to watch that was though, especially second set, awful.

Well done Monfils!!!!

I had money on him today,how was the match, you say awful, from who??? both players or just Gaudio??

enqvistfan
10-27-2005, 02:20 PM
Poor Gaston :(
But, Monfils was in front of his crowd so very motivated.

revolution
10-27-2005, 02:21 PM
Well done Monfils!!!!

I had money on him today,how was the match, you say awful, from who??? both players or just Gaudio??

Gaudio, I know you can play a bad match at times, but when you're not trying at all, it's painful for anyone to watch, even if you're not a fan of the player that isn't trying.

gooner88
10-27-2005, 02:27 PM
Did you hear Monfils in his interview at the end.
He wasn't happy with the match at all even though he won due to Gaudio tanking.
I'm not a keen follower of Gaudio but that second set must have been painful to watch for his fans.

PaulieM
10-27-2005, 02:28 PM
congrats gael :yippee:

enqvistfan
10-27-2005, 02:30 PM
Did you hear Monfils in his interview at the end.
He wasn't happy with the match at all even though he won due to Gaudio tanking.
I'm not a keen follower of Gaudio but that second set must have been painful to watch for his fans.

Do you mean that Gaudio didn't fight ?

revolution
10-27-2005, 02:32 PM
Do you mean that Gaudio didn't fight ?

First set, up and down, when he lost it he just gave up, although I'm not a fan of his, it must have been painful to watch for anyone who is.

mangoes
10-27-2005, 02:33 PM
Congrats Monfils :)

enqvistfan
10-27-2005, 02:34 PM
First set, up and down, when he lost it he just gave up, although I'm not a fan of his, it must have been painful to watch for anyone who is.

thank you. Yes, I imagine. I'm not a mega fan of Gaston, but It's THE Argentine player i like the most and i like to watch him. Apparently, he wants to come back to Argentina for his holidays !!!

delsa
10-27-2005, 02:34 PM
Did you hear Monfils in his interview at the end.
He wasn't happy with the match at all even though he won due to Gaudio tanking.
I'm not a keen follower of Gaudio but that second set must have been painful to watch for his fans.
Yep he was a bit too negative even about his "performance".
But he already beat Gaudio in Doha so it's possible he could have done it again (especially with the crowd) even if Gaudio wouldn't have tanked the match...Gaudio couldn't care less. And after Ljubicic, Ferrer, Blake, Ginepri and co...there are more and more players taking this tournament as a training and this week to rest. It is becoming a mockery (i hope it's the good word...:unsure: ) :rolleyes:.
A win is a win. But really the crowd didn't see good tennis at all today... :rolleyes:
Win your quaterfinal match convincingly GaŽl! :yeah:

gooner88
10-27-2005, 02:34 PM
Do you mean that Gaudio didn't fight ?

Pretty much.
After losing the first set, Gaudio was resigned to losing the match. He was just going through the motions.

Action Jackson
10-27-2005, 02:34 PM
Nothing too play for, except practice for Paris. Can't gain anything from winning this tournament in the Race. He got what he needed some matches and preparation for Paris.

He'd be almost # 2 seed there with all the withdrawls.

enqvistfan
10-27-2005, 02:41 PM
Well, it's true that it's tough for a tournament to be just before a Masters Serie. It's like some players who withdrew from Paris, just to be in a good shape for the Masters Cup.

Maybe Lyon this year will be a French championships !!!

AlexNYR
10-27-2005, 02:49 PM
Pretty much.
After losing the first set, Gaudio was resigned to losing the match. He was just going through the motions.


i didnt see the match but just looking at the scoreline and seeing it was in franch agains a frenchman, thats the first thing i thought....gaudio for all his skills may be the biggest tanker in tennis...when he tanks, you can see it very clearly....i still remember his tank job at last years masters cup vs hewitt...

prima donna
10-27-2005, 02:50 PM
Nothing to play for ? How about integrity and financial gain?

skel1983
10-27-2005, 02:53 PM
Nothing to play for ? How about integrity and financial gain?


Financial gain??

Winning this event would be like making $10.00 for your average person, i just don't understand why he plays these smaller events in Europe if he plays like this???

Integrity yes - he needs to look at players like Nadal, who turn up and give it there all!!!

Action Jackson
10-27-2005, 02:57 PM
Nothing to play for ? How about integrity and financial gain?

It's not like Gaudio needs the money, you're kidding yourself if that's the case.

Never occured to you that Monfils could have been the better player? I forgot Gaudio has never lost a match when someone was better than him.

Yes, there was nothing to play for or would you want me to explain it in greater detail?

revolution
10-27-2005, 03:14 PM
Well I seen it, as I said, and in the interview at the end Monfils wasn't happy with the match despite winning, you could see he was annoyed with the fact his opponent didn't really bother or try.

He may have used up his optionals, but there's no point going to a tournament if you're not going to try, and he shouldn't be paid, like Fed wasn't in Dubai a few years back.

Action Jackson
10-27-2005, 03:21 PM
Well I seen it, as I said, and in the interview at the end Monfils wasn't happy with the match despite winning, you could see he was annoyed with the fact his opponent didn't really bother or try.

He may have used up his optionals, but there's no point going to a tournament if you're not going to try, and he shouldn't be paid, like Fed wasn't in Dubai a few years back.

Monfils wasn't happy about it, Gaudio didn't come to the races, in what was a glorified exhibition for him, would he have won at his best on this surface, maybe, maybe not, you don't know that. Since when has Gaudio ever been known for his Muster like spirit?

When he tanks in a Slam like he did at the US Open a few years ago, or his comical performance in Rome then that's more of an issue.

C3PO
10-27-2005, 03:32 PM
Monfils won, that's the most important :)
He should be seeded in next Australian Open if he wins 2 or 3 more matches by the end of the season.

NYCtennisfan
10-27-2005, 04:20 PM
I didn't see it so I wouldn't know if he was tanking or not but tanking in ANY match is an issue because the fans have spent a lot of money to watch a match. Unfortunately, due to the individualness of the sport and the long season, tanks are inevitable.

In any case, good win for Gael.

vincayou
10-27-2005, 04:39 PM
This tournament could not be placed at a worse place : between 2 masters series on the same surface at the end of the year.

Raquel
10-27-2005, 05:33 PM
I never saw the match so I can't comment on Gaudio's performance but it's definitely not the first time he has been accused of tanking and not caring on this board. This may not be a Masters Series or a Slam but I don't think a tank can be defended because the tournament is not at that level. It comes down to the player's general attitude. I doubt you would ever see Rafael Nadal not care, even if he was playing a smaller event like Lyon. You always know he gives it everything, every time, no matter what. Some players just don't have that sheer determination and stubborn, "I will not let you beat me" attitude.

Chloe le Bopper
10-27-2005, 06:06 PM
Woot!

User id 7816
10-27-2005, 06:06 PM
Raquel, I agree with you. But as we know Gaston finds it hard to maintain great level on these surfaces and I suppose compared to a pumped up Monfils infront of his crowd Gaston might have looked a bit indifferent. sometimes I get mad with Gaston, but the same way you see Rafa is the kind that never wants to give up, Gaston is another type and its part of his character.

Tian
10-27-2005, 06:07 PM
I was really dissapointed by Gaudio in the second set, he was acting like a baby on court, in the interview at the end Gael said himself he was dissapointed with Gaston's effort :sad:

musefanatic
10-27-2005, 06:26 PM
I didn't see this match but i bet monfils was on the floor for most of it just like he was when he played his last match!

Well done Gael!

idolwatcher1
10-27-2005, 08:45 PM
Yep he was a bit too negative even about his "performance".
But he already beat Gaudio in Doha so it's possible he could have done it again (especially with the crowd) even if Gaudio wouldn't have tanked the match...Gaudio couldn't care less. And after Ljubicic, Ferrer, Blake, Ginepri and co...there are more and more players taking this tournament as a training and this week to rest. It is becoming a mockery (i hope it's the good word...:unsure: ) :rolleyes:.
A win is a win. But really the crowd didn't see good tennis at all today... :rolleyes:
Win your quaterfinal match convincingly GaŽl! :yeah:

Just to emphasize something, Ginepri retired his match due to being bothered by a sick stomach...therefore, we can't assume he came to Lyon simply for training and rest, especially when he wanted to qualify for Shanghai and needed to win the Lyon tournament in order to keep his hope alive...

There are only two seeds left in Lyon, and they play each other next... :lol: (A-Rod and Ancic)

Sjengster
10-27-2005, 08:48 PM
Did you hear Monfils in his interview at the end.
He wasn't happy with the match at all even though he won due to Gaudio tanking.
I'm not a keen follower of Gaudio but that second set must have been painful to watch for his fans.

I see about a dozen of those a year, so I'm well accustomed to them by now. Interesting to hear David Mercer on Eurosport weighing in with his condemnation of Gaudio's play, and even bringing up Federer's tanking incident in Dubai three years ago.

BlackSilver
10-27-2005, 09:21 PM
I can't believe still there are people surprised with another Gaudio's weak endeavor. For me this is routine since a long time ago. If Gaudio doesn't hit the ball the way he would like and if he doesn't feel confortable playing there, feeling the game well, he won't give much. Not pretty, but I cannot understand the reason for so much attention and critics toward him.

*julie*
10-27-2005, 09:29 PM
I didn't see this match but i bet monfils was on the floor for most of it just like he was when he played his last match!

Well done Gael!

He didn't actually. He said in an interview it had been too painful in his last match... :lol:
The match was pretty boring actually. A festival of ues... :rolleyes:

Pheobo
10-27-2005, 09:40 PM
*sigh*...all my favorite players are dying.

AsianSensation
10-27-2005, 11:17 PM
Good win by Monfils, bad effort by Gaudio

Action Jackson
10-28-2005, 03:31 AM
I can't believe still there are people surprised with another Gaudio's weak endeavor. For me this is routine since a long time ago. If Gaudio doesn't hit the ball the way he would like and if he doesn't feel confortable playing there, feeling the game well, he won't give much. Not pretty, but I cannot understand the reason for so much attention and critics toward him.

Next, the biggest discovery in the field of science claiming that rain really indeed is wet.

Raquel, since when has Gaudio ever had Thomas Muster mental toughness, not defending the tank, just a practicality look at the player, it happens, just like Roddick serves aces.

amierin
10-28-2005, 12:10 PM
I read this devastaing quote from Monfils on yahoo tennis. If it's been posted already sorry guys.

He was unable to match the sheer power of Monfils, who said his opponent had barely raised a sweat.

"As soon as we started to warm up, I felt that he was not in the game. He was not concentrating, he was teasing me. I think it's a shame for the spectators who came to watch a real game of tennis. I took no pleasure at all," he said

I would like to read it in French. In English the way Gael used the word "tease" means Gaudio was somehow mocking him and implying by his actions that he didn't need to work to beat Gael. Guess Gaudio knows better now. And I would hope he didn't approach the match with that attitude.

Raquel
10-28-2005, 05:39 PM
Next, the biggest discovery in the field of science claiming that rain really indeed is wet.

Raquel, since when has Gaudio ever had Thomas Muster mental toughness, not defending the tank, just a practicality look at the player, it happens, just like Roddick serves aces.
You're right, it happens. I just wonder though if the appearance fees he gets for turning up at smaller events like Lyon as a former GS Champ-top 10 player are affected? I know he will not be up there with Nadal, Federer, Roddick etc. in terms of appearance fees, but he will still be getting good money I assume. Would it be fair for him to get a good appearance fee and then just have one of his not caring days? I don't think any argument tournament directors had with his performance in relation to his fee, could simply be defended by saying "Well, it's Gaudio, so you know what you were getting when you paid the fee - sometimes he just doesn't try. That's just him".

And it's not just lacking Muster-like mental toughness. What about desire to win? A lot of players who go a set down thrive on the challenge of trying to fight back and work out ways of turning it round. I am sure every player has had a couple of matches over a career where they are just not in the right frame of mind and the court is the last place they want to be, but with Gaudio it seems to happen quite regularly. I think he has a lot of talent and I enjoy watching him play but it would be a shame if this reputation built and became something he is remembered for.

DhammaTiger
10-28-2005, 05:51 PM
You're right, it happens. I just wonder though if the appearance fees he gets for turning up at smaller events like Lyon as a former GS Champ-top 10 player are affected? I know he will not be up there with Nadal, Federer, Roddick etc. in terms of appearance fees, but he will still be getting good money I assume. Would it be fair for him to get a good appearance fee and then just have one of his not caring days? I don't think any argument tournament directors had with his performance in relation to his fee, could simply be defended by saying "Well, it's Gaudio, so you know what you were getting when you paid the fee - sometimes he just doesn't try. That's just him".

And it's not just lacking Muster-like mental toughness. What about desire to win? A lot of players who go a set down thrive on the challenge of trying to fight back and work out ways of turning it round. I am sure every player has had a couple of matches over a career where they are just not in the right frame of mind and the court is the last place they want to be, but with Gaudio it seems to happen quite regularly. I think he has a lot of talent and I enjoy watching him play but it would be a shame if this reputation built and became something he is remembered for.
Well said. :hatoff: I like Gaudio but sometimes his attitude really makes me angry. Same as what he did in his match with Rafa at Monte Carlo.

DhammaTiger
10-28-2005, 06:05 PM
Also, if I may add, his attitude at Rome with Ferrer this year was really horrible. You can't say that Rome wasn't counting for anything or it wasn't his favourite surface. He just lacks the never give up attitude of players like Nadal and Canas to mention a few.

Action Jackson
10-29-2005, 05:34 AM
You're right, it happens. I just wonder though if the appearance fees he gets for turning up at smaller events like Lyon as a former GS Champ-top 10 player are affected? I know he will not be up there with Nadal, Federer, Roddick etc. in terms of appearance fees, but he will still be getting good money I assume. Would it be fair for him to get a good appearance fee and then just have one of his not caring days? I don't think any argument tournament directors had with his performance in relation to his fee, could simply be defended by saying "Well, it's Gaudio, so you know what you were getting when you paid the fee - sometimes he just doesn't try. That's just him".

It's not like he needs the cash. The tournament is not going to go down if Gaudio doesn't play or even do well. I don't give a crap about tournament directors, if they think he tanked, then they are well within their right not pay him the appearance money, it's not that difficult to comprehend.

And it's not just lacking Muster-like mental toughness. What about desire to win? A lot of players who go a set down thrive on the challenge of trying to fight back and work out ways of turning it round. I am sure every player has had a couple of matches over a career where they are just not in the right frame of mind and the court is the last place they want to be, but with Gaudio it seems to happen quite regularly. I think he has a lot of talent and I enjoy watching him play but it would be a shame if this reputation built and became something he is remembered for.

What about it? Since when he has every human being wired the same way? What about winning? Some people have a more determined attitude than others, this is either through certain experiences or their makeup. It's not like any Gaudio fan has never seen him self destruct before, but following winners is more fun in that regard.

No, I am not defending bad performances, but he has won a Slam and that's good enough and who really cares how he is remembered. It's not important, if he feels he didn't do his best and has regrets then that is something he has to deal with.

landoud
10-29-2005, 08:37 AM
well done Monfils

Raquel
10-29-2005, 04:12 PM
It's not like he needs the cash. The tournament is not going to go down if Gaudio doesn't play or even do well. I don't give a crap about tournament directors, if they think he tanked, then they are well within their right not pay him the appearance money, it's not that difficult to comprehend.

Well Gaston certainly does not need the cash, but most of us do, and after reading one of his fans in his own forum being extremely disappointed in looking forward to seeing him and paying to go, and to then go and see that kind of performance, they definitely felt short changed and let down. Gaston is just out there playing for himself though, and doesn't owe anyone anything - whether it's tournament directors or his own fans. He has the cash, so why try when you don't have to or don't feel like it, especially when you're getting paid to just be there? It's just a shame he didn't try harder because when he plays well he can definitely win that match. And that fan I read who was really let down would have enjoyed it a bit more if he had tried a bit more (or made it less obvious he didn't), even if he had lost. But he's only playing for himself at a tournament like this so he can do what he wants and certainly doesn't owe people in the stands anything. He at least has the results in the past to prove what he can be.

I guess it's just personal choice when it comes to liking a player. I would rather support someone ranked 100 who always tries then a world number 1 who doesn't care as much. I like seeing someone give everything and want it badly. I have been lucky that players I liked like Roger and Lleyton became number 1 years later anyway, but if Lleyton had stayed ranked in the 60s with the same attitude he has, I would still be a fan. Juan Carlos has had a rollercoaster couple of years and some bad results, but even when he has lost, I have seen he wants it badly - maybe wanting it too much - that I have never thought the same things that Gaston fan did after paying to see that match. At the end of the day he has the results, and cash, in the bank but I'm surprised he hasn't realised or someone hasn't just told him if you tried a bit more, you've definitely got the game to win a lot more so why not give it a try even when you don't care?

Action Jackson
10-30-2005, 05:04 AM
I guess it's just personal choice when it comes to liking a player. I would rather support someone ranked 100 who always tries then a world number 1 who doesn't care as much. I like seeing someone give everything and want it badly. I have been lucky that players I liked like Roger and Lleyton became number 1 years later anyway, but if Lleyton had stayed ranked in the 60s with the same attitude he has, I would still be a fan. Juan Carlos has had a rollercoaster couple of years and some bad results, but even when he has lost, I have seen he wants it badly - maybe wanting it too much - that I have never thought the same things that Gaston fan did after paying to see that match. At the end of the day he has the results, and cash, in the bank but I'm surprised he hasn't realised or someone hasn't just told him if you tried a bit more, you've definitely got the game to win a lot more so why not give it a try even when you don't care?

Of course it's a personal choice about what players that people choose to like and there a multitude of reasons as to why this is. I wouldn't know I don't put players on a pedestal and just cause Gaudio has put in a few shit performances, doesn't mean I am going to stop supporting him nor should it.
Federer early in his career wasn't known for his fighting spirit and yes I have witnessed that myself live, it's much better crap performances in the flesh, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate his game.

Then there the others who are opposites on court, it goes back to the mentality of the individual and how can you force someone to have more self-belief than they do, it's something that has to come from within.

Raquel
10-31-2005, 06:41 PM
Then there the others who are opposites on court, it goes back to the mentality of the individual and how can you force someone to have more self-belief than they do, it's something that has to come from within.
That's true and having read a bit more about Gaston today in his forum , I read that he was perhaps more interested in going to university or pursuing a high flying career than he was in tennis when he was young, but the money in tennis was a big attraction in helping his family. I don't know if that is exactly how it happened or not but it could explain that the initial hunger was not there but he realised he had the talent. If that initial absolute desire is not there then perhaps it's just never really going to be there. I'm not saying he never wants to win or that his career is an ordeal for him, but it's more likely he will not have the hunger every single match if it wasn't the one-dimensional dream he had always planned for himself and wanted. I also read he did not always have the Federation financial backing or coaching support that the big city Argentinians like Coria and Nalbandian got? I thought that was not right when I first read that, but then it made me smile to think he is the one who has got the Slam (so far).

So considering he never always wanted to be solely a tennis player and that he never always got the financial backing or federation encouragement it's maybe not surprising he has his less than inspired days. I like a success story against the odds (especially for the lesser name in the Federation's eyes), so I can forgive it ;)

revolution
10-31-2005, 07:17 PM
Considering Gaudio is more working class than Coria/Nalby, I am surprised that he is the one who tends to not care and put effort in, with the latter two having been funded and had a lot more done to help them.

etiage
10-31-2005, 07:33 PM
Considering Gaudio is more working class than Coria/Nalby, I am surprised that he is the one who tends to not care and put effort in, with the latter two having been funded and had a lot more done to help them.

i've always thought that GG's family was relatively well off until his father died(?) and they lost their family business

he didn't get help from his federation, but financially, he was ok. except i don't know during what part of his tennis development his father passed away at

after the lost, GG looked to tennis as a job to help support his family. not that he doesn't like tennis or anything, he's playing for more than just the love of the game.

not too sure though; anyone can back me up on this?

Action Jackson
11-01-2005, 02:45 AM
i've always thought that GG's family was relatively well off until his father died(?) and they lost their family business

he didn't get help from his federation, but financially, he was ok. except i don't know during what part of his tennis development his father passed away at

after the lost, GG looked to tennis as a job to help support his family. not that he doesn't like tennis or anything, he's playing for more than just the love of the game.

not too sure though; anyone can back me up on this?

There is one major point here that is needs to be readdressed. Norberto Gaudio is still alive, he had some health problems, but is still alive. Nalbandian's father is dead and not Gaudio's, perhaps there is some confusion there and that's what you meant.

Tennis players are not from poor backgrounds, though there are some exceptions to this.

Action Jackson
11-01-2005, 02:47 AM
Considering Gaudio is more working class than Coria/Nalby, I am surprised that he is the one who tends to not care and put effort in, with the latter two having been funded and had a lot more done to help them.

There was a whole generation that didn't get any support from the federation and that includes Gaudio, Chela, Zabaleta, Squillari, Gumy, CaŮas, Calleri for example, and it goes back to the individual, but these guys are thankful that they were able to play tournaments. I mean Calleri was still working in his parents shop to get some money so he could travel to the tournaments. Not a question of social class, it's individuals.

etiage
11-02-2005, 01:47 AM
ha
thanks. now i have to dig a bit about nalbandians background
and gg's too appareantly