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Tennis is becoming riduculous and the masters series a complete joke!

safinaferrero
10-27-2005, 12:03 AM
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!

Some months ago i wrote a loooooong speech about JCF Ferrero because i was tired about all those jokes about him.... :mad:
Now time for another speech not about a particular player but for LOTS of players!! :(

Today i was talking with a friend about BNP PARIBAS MASTERS that i waited for so long to finally see my fav' players in my native city i bought my tickets during RG as i can't buy tickets for this grand slam i always think about Bercy..Anyways, i came back home to check the lastest news about my fav' players
First Marat so let's go to http://www.maratsafin.com nothin' on the news so let's see the forum and......
Damn damn damn!!!!! :sad: :sad: :eek: :rolleyes: Marat won't play at bercy i had a BIG doubt about his participation at this event but i kept the hope alive till the last minute and now that was official i checked the web site of the BNP PARIBAS MASTERS 2005 http://www.bnpparibasmasters.org yes marat won't play because of his knee injury what a surprise, and who else withdrew?: well as u already all knows: Nadal, Federer, Agassi, Moya, Gasquet, Hewitt, Coria.............. :smash: :banghead: :bowdown:
So nobody important (* ironic*) every year we have the same problem top players are too much tired, no motivation, personal reasons poor little babies ... The thing that upset me is that all masters series are not
equal the north american tournaments seem to be more important than europeans if u check the latest withdrawing at some of those events.. Then i also can't understand why the Atp : :bs: :cuckoo: :shrug:
1/ Delete some Atp tournements to make the season shorter and change the schedule.
2/ Give amends if the players don't participate to the Masters Series
and others regulations....
With so many withdrawing the tournement loses its credibility so the consequences will be numerous:

less audience than the others editions, less publicity around the event, less tennis quality, etc....

Anyways i feel sad because we don't have lots of opportunities to watch our fav' tennis players nowadays : no time, no money etc.. so when u finally think u can u are disapointed. Sorry for Nadal's fans young spaniard is in his best shape to play and win madrid but injured :ignore: for bercy, Sorry for Moya's fans his left arms hurt him thinking about paris but not about Madrid why not saying that he lost the confidence to win again a tournement especially a MS?, Sorry for Safin's fans like me we knew that it wasn't sure to see him defending his crown we thought about " Impossible is Nothing" well we tried to be convinced about it but forgot one important thing "MARAT IS MARAT " mysterious& unpredictable hope to see him playing great at least at the aussie open..., Sorry for Federer's fans well not that much he won EVERYTHING on the atp (except RG) so don't worry u guys he will win the masters cup AGAIN
So sorry u guys but i consider tennis like wedding (lol) for better (victories) or worst ( pulling out)
Sorry for being long as usual if u have something more to add .....if u disagree or agree feel free to reply

ReturnWinner
10-27-2005, 12:06 AM
coria did not withdraw

safinaferrero
10-27-2005, 12:11 AM
sorry it was written somewhere else ( french newspaper)

El Legenda
10-27-2005, 12:23 AM
just cuz 5 players are lazy and dont want to play, does not mean they should take away tournments, if you noticed none of the lower ranked players are getting hurt, its always the top players pulling out with "injurys" most are made up, because they want to get ready for TMC or early start on vaction

NicoFan
10-27-2005, 12:24 AM
safinaferrero :hug:

I know how you feel - and the schedule does suck. And the players by this time of year are either tired physically, tired mentally, or injured.

Way too long of a season, and it hurts these end of the year tournaments.

Everything about tennis needs to be reworked: the schedule, the TV coverage (which is poor poor poor), requirements for players to enter the masters series (which is bad though because the players have to listen to their bodies if they are tired).

I only get to watch a lot of tennis on TV a few times a year. Live and in person only usually the US Open.

If I liked baseball or football, I could see my favorite teams/players every week or even every night!!! For months at a time.

Its frustrating... :sad:

And even something simple like a stupid live ticker on the internet - they don't work half the time! :mad:

NyGeL
10-27-2005, 12:29 AM
what's the matter? if they don't wanna play or are injured, then let them take a rest :p

Jennay
10-27-2005, 12:35 AM
:hug: I understand. I was disappointed when a lot of my favorites crashed out of Miami before I attended this year. But once I got to the tournament, I really appreciated the players I wasn't paying much attention to and had a great time anyways. The top seeds are always great to see - but when they're not there you get to open your eyes to new players. :)

NicoFan
10-27-2005, 12:45 AM
:hug: I understand. I was disappointed when a lot of my favorites crashed out of Miami before I attended this year. But once I got to the tournament, I really appreciated the players I wasn't paying much attention to and had a great time anyways. The top seeds are always great to see - but when they're not there you get to open your eyes to new players. :)

That's so true Jennay - same thing happened to me in Miami this year - Nico got hurt just before hand.

But I still had an awesome time. :)

And safinaferrero you will too in Paris. Look at all the good guys that will be there!!!! I would go in a heartbeat!

revolution
10-27-2005, 01:00 AM
It is stupid, I agree.

Wait till next year and if Federer gets 'injured' before Madrid, we will realise he's faked it, and I doubt the Basel fans will be as forgiving if he fails to turn up.

It's the same with Gaudio and Wimbledon, will he complete the hat-trick of not turning up 'injured'? It's more likely than Fed missing Basel a third time.

Agassi's back gets him all the time now, so he has to pick his events, shame though, with Sky covering this I would have enjoyed seeing him next week!

amierin
10-27-2005, 01:02 AM
Your point is valid and TPTB need to address it. Going to a Grand Slam is very expensive and not for everyone. It's not fair for the fans who buy tickets to end of year tournaments don't get to see their faves. You still may get to see some good tennis though so go and enjoy yourself.

Jennay
10-27-2005, 01:08 AM
That's so true Jennay - same thing happened to me in Miami this year - Nico got hurt just before hand.

But I still had an awesome time. :)

And safinaferrero you will too in Paris. Look at all the good guys that will be there!!!! I would go in a heartbeat!
Miami is a great tournament, isn't it? I can't wait for 2006. :yeah:

I would go to TMS Paris in a heartbeat as well. Or any other tournament for that matter. :lol:

Corey Feldman
10-27-2005, 01:09 AM
I agree with alot of that safinaferrero , this time of the season has become a lame, boring joke... but its bad luck i guess, alot of players just seem to be getting injured easily thesedays or other reasons to not play..
Really dissapointing not to have Federer, Nadal, Safin, Agassi and Hewitt here, just hope they all come back in Shanghai..
as for Paris itself.. Roddick, Ljubo and Nalbandian should all have a chance to Join fed and Rafa as the TMS kings of 2005 ;)

star
10-27-2005, 01:36 AM
You are lucky to live in France where there are many tennis tournaments within traveling range. The closest to me -- well now it is in Las Vegas-- is about 450 miles away, and the one I go to regularly is over 700 miles away. But others live even further away from a tournament.

liptea
10-27-2005, 01:47 AM
just cuz 5 players are lazy and dont want to play, does not mean they should take away tournments, if you noticed none of the lower ranked players are getting hurt, its always the top players pulling out with "injurys" most are made up, because they want to get ready for TMC or early start on vaction

It's not like they get hurt on purpose. Besides, Carlos didn't even qualify for TMC ( :sad: ), and his shoulder has been MIA all year. Rafa's been playing like a fiend and deserves some rest. And we know that Roger's injured; he has been for a while.

And if Lleyton and Andy play, the tournament won't be a completely write-off. maybe Jerome Haehnel will play, and obviously he will win.

case
10-27-2005, 01:59 AM
Obviously professional tennis does need to do something-ANYTHING- and just as obviously most of the injuries to these top players are going to miraculously disappear in time for TMC.

And while I too live in the middle of nowhere and no tennis within hundreds of miles, and would be happy to see any professional tennis, the point is that tournaments need big names to keep them going.

NYCtennisfan
10-27-2005, 02:10 AM
We all know how difficult it is for the players to play this schedule but to keep things in perspective, the TMS format has done a wonderful job of getting the top players to play together. Before 1990, one felt lucky to go to a tournament with even 4 or 5 of the top 15 (outside of the slams of course). While there have been many withdrawals, there have still been excellent fields gathered for all of the TMS events.

BelgianWaffle
10-27-2005, 06:51 AM
Your point is valid and TPTB need to address it. Going to a Grand Slam is very expensive and not for everyone. It's not fair for the fans who buy tickets to end of year tournaments don't get to see their faves. You still may get to see some good tennis though so go and enjoy yourself.
yep, good point

sorry safinaferrero :hug:

renee_chin
10-27-2005, 07:03 AM
Wait till next year and if Federer gets 'injured' before Madrid, we will realise he's faked it, and I doubt the Basel fans will be as forgiving if he fails to turn up.



If I remember correctly, Federer snubbed Madrid last year, citing fatigue, and he wanted to be back playing in Basel. Of course, he never made it for Basel also...
I don't think he's faking it this time around. He's seen on crutches, isn't it?

Maybe something could be done to ensure there's no injury-fakings. ATP can get their own medical personnels to confirm these injuries. Should players have already undergone surgery prior to that, then there's no point disputing that...

~EMiLiTA~
10-27-2005, 10:41 AM
You are lucky to live in France where there are many tennis tournaments within traveling range. The closest to me -- well now it is in Las Vegas-- is about 450 miles away, and the one I go to regularly is over 700 miles away. But others live even further away from a tournament.

yes i agree...it's the same prob in aus, even though there is a slam, australia is a big country and not everyone can get to melbourne ...apart from january there is nothing...not even on tv...

nobama
10-27-2005, 10:51 AM
It is stupid, I agree.

Wait till next year and if Federer gets 'injured' before Madrid, we will realise he's faked it, and I doubt the Basel fans will be as forgiving if he fails to turn up.

It's the same with Gaudio and Wimbledon, will he complete the hat-trick of not turning up 'injured'? It's more likely than Fed missing Basel a third time.

Agassi's back gets him all the time now, so he has to pick his events, shame though, with Sky covering this I would have enjoyed seeing him next week!Yeah I'm sure Rogelio faked his injury because he loves disappointing the home crowd in Basel and that 6-week vacation after Wimbledon just wasn't enough. :rolleyes:

Noelle
10-27-2005, 11:13 AM
Anyways i feel sad because we don't have lots of opportunities to watch our fav' tennis players nowadays : no time, no money etc.. so when u finally think u can u are disapointed.
:hug: You make some good points, particularly about not all Masters Series tournaments being given the same amount of prestige (and respect). There's food for thought right there.

I hope next year there won't be this same number of withdrawals for the indoor season. I also hope you still enjoy the tournament. There could still be some riveting tennis matches to watch, and I'll be tuned in to see them. :yeah:

purple_star
10-27-2005, 04:27 PM
But others live even further away from a tournament.

like myself - millions of miles away from ANY tournament. indeed, you are lucky to be in france... :)

NicoFan
10-27-2005, 04:42 PM
If they could just get better TV coverage, where you live shouldn't matter. Live tournaments are nice, but most people live a good distance away from tournaments and its very expensive to go to more than one tournament a year anyway. Between flights, hotels, food, etc., its more than most people can afford.

Even living by the US Open - it costs me in tickets about over $500 for the ten days, and then food - I figure about $30 a day - that another $300. Well that's my vacation!!! lol!!!!!!!!!!

delsa
10-27-2005, 04:54 PM
Don't know why i ruined myself paying 130 euros to see a little bit of this TMS. :rolleyes:

:sad:

They want to make it look like a joke and that's what it will be.

:fiery:

The weather is fantastic for the season. I should sell my tickets on the black market and use the time of my short holydays to do better things instead of wasting my time there...

Thanks God i like dicovering new players or watch them play live for the first time. That's the only good things about that. Since there won't be any star, all the attention will be on the "dangerous flotters". The best time of the week will be the qualies. :rolleyes: :lol:

purple_star
10-27-2005, 05:00 PM
:hug: You make some good points, particularly about not all Masters Series tournaments being given the same amount of prestige (and respect). There's food for thought right there.

I hope next year there won't be this same number of withdrawals for the indoor season. I also hope you still enjoy the tournament. There could still be some riveting tennis matches to watch, and I'll be tuned in to see them. :yeah:

yeah i noticed that many top players would pull out in masters series madrid and paris.
btw, noelle, are you living in the philippines? what tv station do you usually watch live tennis matches? :)

*Viva Chile*
10-27-2005, 05:06 PM
I heard a person who said: "Bercy without Marat, isn't Bercy"....... very true :angel:

:sad:

ys
10-27-2005, 06:28 PM
Masters Series never meant much.. It is just well-paid commercial tournaments.. But not much glory in winnings them.. It's a consolation prize for those who can't win Slams.

peteslamz
10-27-2005, 06:44 PM
like myself - millions of miles away from ANY tournament. indeed, you are lucky to be in france... :)

I agree with you... :sad: Purple_star maybe our last resort will be the SEAGames. :confused:

sol
10-27-2005, 06:58 PM
Masters Series never meant much.. It is just well-paid commercial tournaments.. But not much glory in winnings them.. It's a consolation prize for those who can't win Slams.

I think that the players don't pass up the TMSís tournament just to be less important than Grand Slams events. The problem is the schedule. At this time..the most of the big players have already played a very long season and are tired/injured/already qualified for the TMC. The TMSís are the bigger ATPís tournament (Slams are ITF events).

The TMS's have been won by greatest players (i.e Agassi, Federer, Nadal, Kuerten...) so it's not a consolation prize for those who can't win Slams. I fact Federer and Nadal (World #1, and #2) have been the only players to win a TMS this season.



Marat used to play at his best after the US Open, but heís not healthy this year.

Aphex
10-27-2005, 07:21 PM
Masters Series never meant much.. It is just well-paid commercial tournaments.. But not much glory in winnings them.. It's a consolation prize for those who can't win Slams.

Yeah, why even bother hanging around this forum in the off Slam season... :rolleyes:

tennisinparis
10-27-2005, 07:25 PM
Okay, I totally agree with you. And despite the fact that the field is depleted, you will still have a great time, trust me I know. Last year while living in Paris, I attended the whole week of Bercy, missed all my classes for it and everything. It was the coolest experience ever. It totally made me love tennis even more and made me a fan of a lot of players I didn't really 'known' otherwise. I mean I knew most of the players by name and face, but I didn't really know all their playing styles, etc. Marat and Hewitt were really the only big names in the tournament last year (excluding the early exit of Roddick, that has become all too familiar). I had a great time watching people like Feliciano Lopez, Guillermo Canas(although I am not a fan at all), Radek Stepanek and his brilliant play that week, and Max Miryni. It really was great to experience and get to see some of the lower players. Now that I am back in the US, the closes tournament for me is Miami or Cincinnati, and those are both about 13 hours away(driving). I am just about dead center of both of them. And I just can't afford to fly down there, hotel, tickets, food, etc. So experience Paris and a couple of other tournaments in Europe last year was great. Just don't worry too much about it, and have fun watching tennis. Last year Marat won, and I am not his biggest fan, but he played some amazing tennis. I had fun even though I wanted Radek to win. Anyway, there is my little info, even though your favorites aren't there , just make the most fun of it. Plus, players pull out of many tournaments throughout the year for many different reasons, some are physically injured, some are not injured at all, and some are mentally injured and some are mentally and physically injured. Oh well, i just wish I were back in Paris watching Bercy again.


You are lucky to live in France where there are many tennis tournaments within traveling range. The closest to me -- well now it is in Las Vegas-- is about 450 miles away, and the one I go to regularly is over 700 miles away. But others live even further away from a tournament.

tennisinparis
10-27-2005, 07:30 PM
yeah, uh huh, so there were only really 3 important people this year, no one or no other tournaments matter. geez, just get rid of them all. make it like the olympics train for only those 4 tournaments.

Masters Series never meant much.. It is just well-paid commercial tournaments.. But not much glory in winnings them.. It's a consolation prize for those who can't win Slams.

Winston's Human
10-27-2005, 07:40 PM
Masters Series never meant much... It's a consolation prize for those who can't win Slams.

Not really.

Only nine of the last 45 masters series tournaments have been won by non-Slam winners:

Coria (twice)
Henman
Mantilla
Canas
Grosjean
Haas
Pavel
Portas

Paul Banks
10-27-2005, 07:58 PM
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!

Some months ago i wrote a loooooong speech about JCF Ferrero because i was tired about all those jokes about him.... :mad:
Now time for another speech not about a particular player but for LOTS of players!! :(

Today i was talking with a friend about BNP PARIBAS MASTERS that i waited for so long to finally see my fav' players in my native city i bought my tickets during RG as i can't buy tickets for this grand slam i always think about Bercy..Anyways, i came back home to check the lastest news about my fav' players
First Marat so let's go to http://www.maratsafin.com nothin' on the news so let's see the forum and......
Damn damn damn!!!!! :sad: :sad: :eek: :rolleyes: Marat won't play at bercy i had a BIG doubt about his participation at this event but i kept the hope alive till the last minute and now that was official i checked the web site of the BNP PARIBAS MASTERS 2005 http://www.bnpparibasmasters.org yes marat won't play because of his knee injury what a surprise, and who else withdrew?: well as u already all knows: Nadal, Federer, Agassi, Moya, Gasquet, Hewitt, Coria.............. :smash: :banghead: :bowdown:
So nobody important (* ironic*) every year we have the same problem top players are too much tired, no motivation, personal reasons poor little babies ... The thing that upset me is that all masters series are not
equal the north american tournaments seem to be more important than europeans if u check the latest withdrawing at some of those events.. Then i also can't understand why the Atp : :bs: :cuckoo: :shrug:
1/ Delete some Atp tournements to make the season shorter and change the schedule.
2/ Give amends if the players don't participate to the Masters Series
and others regulations....
With so many withdrawing the tournement loses its credibility so the consequences will be numerous:

less audience than the others editions, less publicity around the event, less tennis quality, etc....

Anyways i feel sad because we don't have lots of opportunities to watch our fav' tennis players nowadays : no time, no money etc.. so when u finally think u can u are disapointed. Sorry for Nadal's fans young spaniard is in his best shape to play and win madrid but injured :ignore: for bercy, Sorry for Moya's fans his left arms hurt him thinking about paris but not about Madrid why not saying that he lost the confidence to win again a tournement especially a MS?, Sorry for Safin's fans like me we knew that it wasn't sure to see him defending his crown we thought about " Impossible is Nothing" well we tried to be convinced about it but forgot one important thing "MARAT IS MARAT " mysterious& unpredictable hope to see him playing great at least at the aussie open..., Sorry for Federer's fans well not that much he won EVERYTHING on the atp (except RG) so don't worry u guys he will win the masters cup AGAIN
So sorry u guys but i consider tennis like wedding (lol) for better (victories) or worst ( pulling out)
Sorry for being long as usual if u have something more to add .....if u disagree or agree feel free to reply

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BlackSilver
10-27-2005, 08:29 PM
I like the way it's going to be this year. :)

Sjengster
10-27-2005, 09:02 PM
The other 59 players in the main draw of a Masters Series event don't have anything to offer the committed tennis fan? :shrug:

BlackSilver
10-27-2005, 09:07 PM
The other 59 players in the main draw of a Masters Series event don't have anything to offer the committed tennis fan? :shrug:

Apparently not

1sun
10-27-2005, 09:12 PM
you'll get over it

Noelle
10-27-2005, 11:17 PM
yeah i noticed that many top players would pull out in masters series madrid and paris.
btw, noelle, are you living in the philippines? what tv station do you usually watch live tennis matches? :)
:wavey: I usually watch them on Star Sports, but Sports Plus got live coverage of the French Open and US Open. Last year Star Sports had live coverage of Thailand Open and Basel. This year, nada. :ras:

Jimnik
10-27-2005, 11:22 PM
The other 59 players in the main draw of a Masters Series event don't have anything to offer the committed tennis fan? :shrug:
Exactly.

There's more to tennis than just the top 5 players.

ys
10-27-2005, 11:35 PM
Not really.

Only nine of the last 45 masters series tournaments have been won by non-Slam winners:

Coria (twice)
Henman
Mantilla
Canas
Grosjean
Haas
Pavel
Portas

OK, let me get this straight.. If we are talking about elite players, they have three real priorities :

1) Winning Grand Slams
2) Being #1
3) Qualifying for TMC

At this point:

1) Slams are done
2) #1 is decided
3) TMC is not an issue for elite players this year ( like - in that rare case when it was an issue for, say, Safin, last fall )

So, there is not much of a motivation for elite players to play anymore because the attractiveness of TMS alone is not enough.. All elite players must already have their mind around next thing that is a priority - Australian Open. Of course, all of them will try to make it to YEC - simply because it is too much money and because of all publicity that associates true elite with being at YEC. But YEC along have never been a real priority for elite players either, so YEC is often won by relative minnows like in 1998 or often won on pure motivation, when one player has more motivation than his opponents - like in 2000. Even YEC is not to be taken 100% seriously these days. Leave along TMS..

Castafiore
10-28-2005, 06:47 AM
Roddick demands shorter season

October 28, 2005

FORMER world No.1 Andy Roddick has called for a shorter season after the Paris Masters, which starts on Monday, was decimated by a series of high-level pull-outs.

World No.1 Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal, the world No.2, both said they will not play in Paris, the penultimate tournament on the ATP calendar.

The duo, who have won four Masters each this year, are both injured and join defending champion and Australian Open winner Marat Safin on the sidelines. American veteran Andre Agassi and former French Open winner Carlos Moya are also missing.

"It's ridiculous to have to play for 10 and a half months of the year," said Roddick, the world No.3, who intends to play in Paris.

"There is no other sport where you have to do that. Nothing changes and everyone agrees that the season needs to be shorter.


"At the moment, I am signed up to play the Paris Masters but the various pullouts prove that the players are tired at the end of a very long season."

Federer, who hasn't played since winning his 11th title of the year in Bangkok four weeks ago, has a foot ligament injury while Nadal hasn't recovered from a knee problem.

However, the injury didn't prevent him from clinching his 11th title of 2005 at the Madrid Masters last weekend.

Safin, who won the Paris title last year, hasn't played since August and has undergone knee surgery.

Australia's world No.4 Lleyton Hewitt has yet to confirm his participation. If he doesn't play, it will leave just Roddick as the only top six player taking part.

"We are more than disappointed (with the pullouts)," Alain Riou, the tournament co-director, told French sports daily L'Equipe.

"But it's difficult to comment on the injuries because we are sure they are real. It's a complex problem which does not have one solution."

The withdrawals mean that Filippo Volandri of Italy, France's Gael Monfils, Italian Davide Sanguinetti, Olympic champion Nicolas Massu of Chile and Andrei Pavel of Romania, the 2003 runner-up, will now be included in the main draw.
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,20281,17062765-5001023,00.html

Action Jackson
10-28-2005, 06:54 AM
But YEC along have never been a real priority for elite players either, so YEC is often won by relative minnows like in 1998 or often won on pure motivation, when one player has more motivation than his opponents - like in 2000. Even YEC is not to be taken 100% seriously these days. Leave along TMS..

Once again using poor excuses to justify your view that Corretja and Guga didn't deserve to win the TMC, it doesn't make any more sense now as it did then. They do want to win it, when they are involved, though as an indicator of the best player in the world for that year, it's not entirely accurate.

Slams are the most important thing, and don't give me crap about Wimbledon meaning more than the others to all players, and arse bandits winning RG.

Action Jackson
10-28-2005, 07:06 AM
If it sucks this much, sell your tickets to someone who will appreciate the tennis and then don't watch the tournament, solves one part of the problem

There will still be good tennis and sure some of the name players are not there, well it's not like these players going to Paris are playing Futures 7 events.

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*Ljubica*
10-28-2005, 07:22 AM
If it sucks this much, sell your tickets to someone who will appreciate the tennis and then don't watch the tournament, solves one part of the problem

There will still be good tennis and sure some of the name players are not there, well it's not like these players going to Paris are playing Futures 7 events.

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Love that smiley GWH ;) Actually I do have a lot of sympathy for safinaferrero and others in her position. You of all people know that I am not a fan of Agassi, Hewitt etc - but they are the Top 10 in the world - and their withdrawals have devalued the Bercy tournament this year whether you and I personally like them or not!! I am lucky - I go to so many tournaments that I have seen all of the withdrawn players more times than I care to remember :devil: - but some people are not so fortunate (or perhaps not so old!) - and the Paris tourney could be their one and only chance to see the likes of Federer and Nadal play live.

I agree that if you want to watch good tennis you can easily go to a smaller event (even a Future or Challenger), watch great tennis and enjoy yourself - but if you've paid good money to watch a Masters' Event you do expect to see all the Top 10 participating - and if they all drop out in the space of a week you do have a right to feel agrieved if it's your only chance to see them for at least another year.

I also tend to agree with ys on some points - unless you're fighting for a TMC place like Ljubicic, Nalbandian and Coria - this late TMC is pretty irrelevant to the majority of tennis players because their positions for next year's Australian Open are pretty much sorted by now. That is why people like Moya, Calleri and Chela have opted to refuse their places and just go home to see their families and add an extra week to their off-season holidays.

Action Jackson
10-28-2005, 07:34 AM
Love that smiley GWH ;) Actually I do have a lot of sympathy for safinaferrero and others in her position. You of all people know that I am not a fan of Agassi, Hewitt etc - but they are the Top 10 in the world - and their withdrawals have devalued the Bercy tournament this year whether you and I personally like them or not!! I am lucky - I go to so many tournaments that I have seen all of the withdrawn players more times than I care to remember :devil: - but some people are not so fortunate (or perhaps not so old!) - and the Paris tourney could be their one and only chance to see the likes of Federer and Nadal play live.

Yes, they are top players and mean extra ticket sales cause of their name, whether people like them or not. As for the tournament being devalued, how many of these players are faking these injuries, they are thinking about themslves and not deliberately trying to sabotage or undermine the tournament, it's a consequence of the length of season.

I agree that if you want to watch good tennis you can easily go to a smaller event (even a Future or Challenger), watch great tennis and enjoy yourself - but if you've paid good money to watch a Masters' Event you do expect to see all the Top 10 participating - and if they all drop out in the space of a week you do have a right to feel agrieved if it's your only chance to see them for at least another year.

Well if they paid their money and don't like all the withdrawls, then selling their ticket to someone else is an option. There are always opportunities to see these players, it's not like France suffers from a shortage of tournaments, unlike some other places.

I also tend to agree with ys on some points - unless you're fighting for a TMC place like Ljubicic, Nalbandian and Coria - this late TMC is pretty irrelevant to the majority of tennis players because their positions for next year's Australian Open are pretty much sorted by now. That is why people like Moya, Calleri and Chela have opted to refuse their places and just go home to see their families and add an extra week to their off-season holidays.

This is true, the players that need to play it, will be there, plus the locals and other players that do well on this surface, think about it what's more important this event or the TMC and if there is an injury problem, then it's understandable why this would happen. The guys who can't be bothered playing it, have done the right thing and withdrawn now.

*Ljubica*
10-28-2005, 07:43 AM
I personally don't know who is "genuine" in the injury stakes or not - though I am sure Roger's is genuine because he would not have pulled out of Basel otherwise. And I fully support Hewitt's decision to be at home to be with his wife for the birth of their first child - good for him. People like Agassi drive me wild though - as someone posted on the tournament thread - he has a habit of doing this at the last possible moment (especially in Europe) - showing absolutely no respect to the tournament or to the fans who have already paid good money - in some cases just to watch him. Personal reasons................ :rolleyes:

Action Jackson
10-28-2005, 07:45 AM
I personally don't know who is "genuine" in the injury stakes or not - though I am sure Roger's is genuine because he would not have pulled out of Basel otherwise. And I fully support Hewitt's decision to be at home to be with his wife for the birth of their first child - good for him. People like Agassi drive me wild though - as someone posted on the tournament thread - he has a habit of doing this at the last possible moment (especially in Europe) - showing absolutely no respect to the tournament or to the fans who have already paid good money - in some cases just to watch him. Personal reasons................ :rolleyes:

I mean with Federer, Hewitt and even Nadal these are pretty obvious. Agassi has been doing this years, he has form for it and it's not surprising, but it's Agassi it's Ok, he can do it, then again will he go to Shanghai, the times he has been there, haven't been very good. Maybe he needs more time to be stronger for the AO.

*Ljubica*
10-28-2005, 07:55 AM
I mean with Federer, Hewitt and even Nadal these are pretty obvious. Agassi has been doing this years, he has form for it and it's not surprising, but it's Agassi it's Ok, he can do it, then again will he go to Shanghai, the times he has been there, haven't been very good. Maybe he needs more time to be stronger for the AO.

Of course he will go to Shanghai :rolleyes: But as you say - he will get away with it because he is supposed to be the invincible great God of tennis and no one dare disparage him! Imagine the comments that would be made here if anyone else picked and chose their tournaments and dropped out at the last minute as much as he does?!

Rex
10-28-2005, 07:57 AM
tale it easy and get the right info first

Action Jackson
10-28-2005, 07:59 AM
tale it easy and get the right info first

Get what facts right? Agassi plays limited tournaments these days, knows well in advance, where he will and won't play, but doesn't announce it early when he is withdrawing from these events.

Neely
10-28-2005, 10:10 AM
I know it's disappointing for the fans that thought they would see this or that player, especially if the tickets were bought well in advance. But with Agassi it's a well known fact that he does play only very limited tournaments (the results from these are good enough to give him the TMC birth early) and with Safin and Moya it was a very long injury history this season also; same for Hewitt who is taking long breaks during the season not the first time. I can't say these withdrawals are really shocking and completely unpredictable. For some it may be a loss of quality, maybe. But I'm not some and for me personally the field is still okay despite so many players missing it.

Plastic Bertrand
10-28-2005, 10:18 AM
The other 59 players in the main draw of a Masters Series event don't have anything to offer the committed tennis fan? :shrug:

This is true that there are enough players to watch at this event, at the same time Bercy is a 48 player draw.

Sjengster
10-28-2005, 06:12 PM
This is true that there are enough players to watch at this event, at the same time Bercy is a 48 player draw.

A very good point. 43, then. ;)

ys
10-28-2005, 06:58 PM
With no players from Big Three playing, minnows finally get a shot at winning a big title this year..

amierin
10-28-2005, 07:17 PM
SafinaFerrero have you read the thread discussing Roddick's criticism of the ATP schedule on this board? I think you'd find it interesting.

wcr
10-28-2005, 07:31 PM
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!

... that i waited for so long to finally see my fav' players in my native city i bought my tickets during RG as i can't buy tickets for this grand slam i always think about Bercy..to reply

The two times I attended matches at Bercy I bought the tickets at the stadium the same day I went to see the matches - day or night. I never buy tickets in advance. You can always buy tickets for matches anywhere even after the event starts. This way I don't purchase tickets for an event I might not want to attend once I see the draw.

wcr
10-28-2005, 07:36 PM
The YEC championships should be held at the end of September when enthusiasm from the USO is still high.

Tennis after that should be about Davis/Fed Cup play and lower tier events, including satellite events, that aren't mandatory. The season is much too long as evidenced by the fatigue, burn-out and injuries the top players are experiencing after the USO.

safinaferrero
10-29-2005, 11:35 PM
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sorry for being so boring :tape: :rolleyes: it's just maybe that u didn't get my point of view but that's not a pbm for me for me the most important is that i write what i wanted to say!! :p :unsure: :aplot:

safinaferrero
10-29-2005, 11:44 PM
The two times I attended matches at Bercy I bought the tickets at the stadium the same day I went to see the matches - day or night. I never buy tickets in advance. You can always buy tickets for matches anywhere even after the event starts. This way I don't purchase tickets for an event I might not want to attend once I see the draw.
if i always buy my tickets in advance it's in order to have the better seats i mean first row :aplot: :shrug:

NYCtennisfan
10-29-2005, 11:45 PM
Get what facts right? Agassi plays limited tournaments these days, knows well in advance, where he will and won't play, but doesn't announce it early when he is withdrawing from these events.

I think in most instances this is true but sometimes Agassi decides on the spot depending upon how his body is feeling. I do believe that he should be more clear about his intentions about playing tournaments because he is still the biggest name in tennis even at 35.

From the Agassi point of view, he can say that he has been responsible for making the tour a whole lot of money so he can do waht he wants now that he is in his mid-30's.

safinaferrero
10-29-2005, 11:52 PM
SafinaFerrero have you read the thread discussing Roddick's criticism of the ATP schedule on this board? I think you'd find it interesting.Thx amierin :smooch: i'll search it on the board.....