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Tennis Magazine's 40 Greatest Players - The Top 4

nobama
10-24-2005, 12:30 AM
Here's how the final four turned out. I take issue with Sampras being ahead of Navratilova or Graf because he never won all four slams.

1. Pete Sampras
2. Martina Navratilova
3. Steffi Graf
4. Chris Evert

Phunkadelicious
10-24-2005, 12:47 AM
should be:

1.Steffi Graf
2. Martina Navratilova
3. Pete Sampras
4. Chris Evert

at least they didn't put Evert in front of Navratilova or Graf

Scotso
10-24-2005, 12:53 AM
Should be:

1. Navratilova
2. Graf
3. Evert
4. Sampras

Grinder
10-24-2005, 01:04 AM
I think it should have been:

1. Sampras
2. Bjorg
3. Graf
4. Evert

alfonsojose
10-24-2005, 02:04 AM
No Roland Garros and The Droid is ahead :yawn:

Tennis Fool
10-24-2005, 02:16 AM
Lists like these always make me mad that Seles was stabbed :( Also, wasn't Pete supposed to be a writer for TM, or financial contributor in some way? Doesn't Nav even have a better Wimbledon record than he does (not to mention Slams)...

MisterQ
10-24-2005, 02:45 AM
Perhaps men's and women's tennis should be placed in separate lists: they are too hard to compare. BUT... if they do consider them comparable, then Navratilova should be ahead of Sampras. Her resume is more well-rounded and has no significant weakness. She showed absolute dominance, remarkable longetivity, the highest achievement in both singles and doubles, and excellence on all surfaces (including all the slams).

its.like.that
10-24-2005, 02:55 AM
Here's how the final four turned out. I take issue with Sampras being ahead of Navratilova or Graf because he never won all four slams.

1. Pete Sampras
2. Martina Navratilova
3. Steffi Graf
4. Chris Evert

mirkaland

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robinhood
10-24-2005, 04:59 AM
Perhaps men's and women's tennis should be placed in separate lists: they are too hard to compare. BUT... if they do consider them comparable, then Navratilova should be ahead of Sampras. Her resume is more well-rounded and has no significant weakness. She showed absolute dominance, remarkable longetivity, the highest achievement in both singles and doubles, and excellence on all surfaces (including all the slams).

Ditto

Peyton
10-24-2005, 07:35 AM
1.Steffi Graf
2. Martina Navratilova
3. Pete Sampras
4. Chris Evert

This would be my final list as well. I would never rank Pete above any of these women.

disturb3d
10-24-2005, 07:45 AM
Women's tennis is a joke. This is a disgrace to everyone. I'm disgraced. You know it.

Seriously, Safin has more talent in his pinky than any top female could ever dream of.
Not just Safin, but every male within the top 500.

This is like comparing olympic wrestling with the wwf.

landoud
10-24-2005, 08:50 AM
where's federer from that list?

TheMightyFed
10-24-2005, 09:48 AM
1.American
2. American
Biased ?
Pure legends of Open Era :
Male : Borg (not on this list)
Female : Graf (very low on this list)
BS...

jtipson
10-24-2005, 10:00 AM
where's federer from that list?

Barely in the top 20. Mind you, in the time they've taken to compile and publish this list, he's won two more grand slams, so I think he'd probably be up a few places.

I thought it was a silly list really, because it combined men and women, as was previously said. You cannot really compare these on a level basis.

Apparently Chris Evert is involved with this publication which might explain why she figures so highly on the list. I'd certainly put Borg in there before her.

Nacho
10-24-2005, 10:31 AM
for god's sake Sampras didn't even reach the FO final :rolleyes:

Graf and Nav have both won all the slams several times, so they should top that list hadn't it been so incredibly biased towards men and americans

nermo
10-24-2005, 10:40 AM
i don't think combining mens and women's tennis records is a wise thing to do, and is it real Borg is not on list, the guy won 11 GS titles :confused:

nobama
10-24-2005, 10:50 AM
where's federer from that list?
:lol:

Actually I think he was #19 or something. I think the only active players higher up on the list were Serena Williams, Agassi and Navratilova.

Angle Queen
10-24-2005, 11:50 AM
There is no way Pete outranks Martina and Steffi.

Jimnik
10-24-2005, 12:15 PM
Here's how the final four turned out. I take issue with Sampras being ahead of Navratilova or Graf because he never won all four slams.

1. Pete Sampras
2. Martina Navratilova
3. Steffi Graf
4. Chris Evert
Greatest Wimbledon players? Yes
Greatest Tennis players? No

Very tough to compare men and women but I think it should go like this:
1. Steffi Graf
2. Rod Laver
3. Bjorn Borg
4. Pete Sampras

ys
10-24-2005, 10:18 PM
2,3,4 could be debatable.. But Navratilova's Wimbledon record is aas good as Graf's , so I'd leave it at that.

Winning 7 Wimbledons in 8 season in men's competition puts Sampras a galaxy aside from everyone else.. With exception of Borg, that is, maybe.. And we'll know what Federer has to say about it.. in 4-5 years.. that is..

monicain
10-26-2005, 04:47 AM
Seles fan, graf-hater here but,...golden slam shouldn't be ranked as #3

Look at the list I realized how lucky I am to have witnessed a lot of these players :)

mandoura
10-26-2005, 06:31 AM
For me it should be:

1.Steffi Graf
2. Martina Navratilova
3. Pete Sampras
4. Chris Evert

Graf and Navra are really interchangeable for me. The "Golden Slam" gave Graf the edge.

Comparing women to men tennis is like comapring apples and oranges.

Santorofan
10-26-2005, 08:50 AM
Hey what's with the knocks against Evert, the Queen of Clay, Class, Consistancy and Concentration? She most certainly deserves to be top 4, and yes, ahead of Borg. Borg was great, but his legacy is marred not only by early retirement, but by quitting the game in his mid-twenties as soon as he was defeated in successive slam finals to JMac, losing the #1 ranking. Also, he only won 2 of 4 Grand Slams, and his record was only mediocre at the US Open...

Action Jackson
10-26-2005, 08:52 AM
These should have been done in seperate categories.

J. Corwin
10-26-2005, 09:37 AM
If they're going to combine the men and women: no way should Pete take the top spot even if men have it more competitive. The other three women in the top 4 have such breadth and depth of accomplishments that it should override the fact that Sampras is a guy.

Angle Queen
10-26-2005, 07:57 PM
Just finished reading the write-up in Tennis. They said the overriding factor for them was...drumroll...money. Pah-lease.

Since I've stopped following the womens game, I tend to lose sight of the accomplishments of the ladies ranked 2, 3 and 4. Reading them again, in print...makes me even madder at Tennis's selection.

So I'll say it again...no way Pete rates out as #1.

guy in sf
10-28-2005, 10:47 PM
I would put them in this order:

1.Navratilova
2.Graf
3.Sampras
4.Evert

I don't buy into the Golden Slam thing for Graf at all because that was just a matter of timing. Tennis wasn't part of the Olympics til 88, which happened to be the year Graf was at her most dominant. Tennis wasn't part of the Olympics when Navratilova was at her peak or else you would have seen something similar with her or Laver when he won his 2 slams. I think it is a very impressive achievement and it's certainly icing on the cake after winning the slam but to point that out as a tie-breaker between Graf and Navi as greatest of all time is plain silly!

TennisGrandSlam
10-01-2006, 12:43 PM
Should be:

1. Navratilova
2. Borg
3. Graf
4. Sampras

Breakdown
10-01-2006, 12:46 PM
My list would be:

1.Navratilova
2.Graf:angel:
3.Laver
4.Sampras

Ariadne
10-01-2006, 01:26 PM
Mine would be:

1-Laver
2-Navartilova
3-Graff
4-Sampras

TennisGrandSlam
10-01-2006, 01:41 PM
For South American,

1st should Vilas or Guga

fererrodf
10-01-2006, 04:16 PM
It's a tough call.

Everyone has his/her opinions. This debate will go on and it'll be fruitless to the end.

Here's mine:

Steffi
Navratilova
Sampras
Evert

Boris Franz Ecker
10-01-2006, 04:46 PM
Complete Nonsense to compare women and men. Forget this list.

Another error is to include mixed or even doubles achievements.
Leeds consequently to an inconsequent list, because giants like Todd Woodbridge are completely forgotten.
Why? because it's right.

Boris Franz Ecker
10-01-2006, 04:50 PM
What stupid opinions one can read...

Sampras is a man, he is far greater than Graf or this Navratilova thing...
That's undisputable.

In Evert's or Graf's times women's tennis was a joke, all girls outside the top 10 had 1-16 h2h's against Graf, Evert or Navra.

thrust
10-01-2006, 05:08 PM
I agree you can^t compare women to men, however, I do not think what this list intended to do. They were comparing achievements of great players. In this case my list would be: Laver, Navratilova, Sampras and Graf. Had Rosewall been able to compete in Slams for the eleven years he was a pro, he would be very close to the top of this list- IMHO.

cmurray
10-01-2006, 05:11 PM
Men and women should definitely have their own lists. On that note, though, I can't see how steffi isn't the top of that list. NOBODY was as dominant as Steffi. Not Pete, not Federer. Now, you could make the argument that since Pete's competition was stiffer, his accomplishments mean more, but results are results - and you can't argue with Steffi's results.

Bremen
10-01-2006, 06:04 PM
One reason I can see for putting sampras ahead of the ladies is that he won more grand slam titles than any man, ever. None of the top three women on that list managed to break the slam record. Steffi came close and probably could have beaten that smith court person if she'd played just a few more years.

Other than that though I'd put steffi and martina ahead of sampras. Chris comes pretty close due to her amazing win loss record and dominance of the French but she lost almost as many grand slam titles as she won.

General Suburbia
10-01-2006, 10:09 PM
It's easier to dominate in the woman's tour. More so then than now.

JW10S
10-02-2006, 12:47 AM
I think I'd give Navratilova the nod as best because she won all the Slams in singles, doubles and mixed doubles, and did so for decades. Sampras, Graf and Evert were primarily singles players, Navratilova did it all.

angiel
10-02-2006, 01:34 PM
Complete Nonsense to compare women and men. Forget this list.

Another error is to include mixed or even doubles achievements.
Leeds consequently to an inconsequent list, because giants like Todd Woodbridge are completely forgotten.
Why? because it's right.


Why dont you make your list then, evrything we dont like we trash it, why? Others people opinions matter too my friend.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :(

Eden
10-02-2006, 01:43 PM
What stupid opinions one can read...
Sampras is a man, he is far greater than Graf or this Navratilova thing...
That's undisputable.


I doubt that Sampras would be number one when such an opinion poll would have been made in Germany ;) Graf would definitely be ranked over Sampras.

Such opinion polls also reflects a bit the country where they have been made. I would say that Borg would probably win such a vote in Sweden.

Boris Franz Ecker
10-02-2006, 02:50 PM
Why dont you make your list then, evrything we dont like we trash it, why? Others people opinions matter too my friend.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :(

Serious opinions, yes.

My list is for men and women combined:

Sampras
Borg
Laver
Federer

For women only

Graf
Navratilova
Court
Evert

Questionnable wether Graf or Navratilova, wether Borg or Laver, but this looks very good.

Byrd
10-02-2006, 03:02 PM
Can someone post the 'Top 40'?

edit: Don't worry did a bit of research, here's the link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TENNIS_Magazine's_40_Greatest_Players_of_the_TENNI S_Era

By the way, that's the 2005 list, Fed should be higher.

Not too sure connors should be 7th.

Eden
10-02-2006, 03:11 PM
40. Gabriela Sabatini
39. Patrick Rafter
38. Virginia Wade
37. Gustavo Kuerten
36. Jennifer Capriati
35. Stan Smith
34. Lleyton Hewitt
33. Hana Mandlikova
32. Tracy Austin
31. Justine Henin-Hardenne
30. Arthur Ashe
29. Lindsay Davenport
28. Ilie Nastase
27. Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario
26. Jim Courier
25. Venus Williams
24. Guillermo Vilas
23. Evonne Goolagong
22. Martina Hingis
21. Roy Emerson
20. Ken Rosewall
19. Roger Federer
18. Boris Becker
17. Serena Williams
16. John Newcombe
15. Mats Wilander
14. Stefan Edberg
13. Monica Seles
12. Andre Agassi
11. John McEnroe
10. Ivan Lendl
9. Billie Jean King
8. Rod Laver
7. Jimmy Connors
6. Margaret Court
5. Bjorn Borg
4. Chris Evert
3. Steffi Graf
2. Martina Navratilova
1. Pete Sampras

Source: http://tennis.com/features/40greatest/index.aspx

alelysafina
10-02-2006, 05:20 PM
Where's Pancho?

name_change
10-02-2006, 10:34 PM
is this based only on singles acheivements? if not, then it's navratilova by a country mile. even if it is, i think she should still be #1. i mean, what didn't she win?

JW10S
10-02-2006, 10:47 PM
Where's Pancho?

If I'm not mistaken the list represents the top 40 of the Open Era--not of all time. Which is why you don't see Gonzalez, Tilden, Budge, Connelly, etc. and why Laver is only #8.