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Paris Predictions

FaceyFacem
10-23-2005, 08:15 PM
Will Rafa or Roger win it? Will Rafa or Roger play it?

I've read Roger is out of Basel, but nothing about Paris yet...if I were Rafa i'd dump basel and rest for paris...just to try to get the 5th shield of the year before roger does

anyway, news on roger and predictions...go

adee-gee
10-23-2005, 08:19 PM
I highly doubt Roger will play. I really hope Rafa plays.

:secret: I'm gonna stick my neck on the line and say A-Rod will win it, I have a hunch he's gonna come into form.

Grinder
10-23-2005, 08:21 PM
I think the contenders are:

1. Andy Roddick
2. James Blake
3. Ivan Ljubicic
4. Robby Ginepri
5. Radek Stepanek

This is taking into consideration that Agassi, Federer, Nadal, Safin and Hewitt don't play. If these guys do play, I'd put Safin at the top, then Federer, then Hewitt after Roddick. Agassi would be somewhere up there too.

NYCtennisfan
10-23-2005, 08:22 PM
I'll go with Roddick. Now watch him lose in the 1st round again.

disturb3d
10-23-2005, 08:40 PM
I'll go with Roddick. Now watch him lose in the 1st round again.Don't get my hopes up.

Deboogle!.
10-23-2005, 08:42 PM
I'll go with Roddick. Now watch him lose in the 1st round again.He'll get a bye, so he'll lose in the 2nd round. no worries :)

adee-gee
10-23-2005, 08:45 PM
He'll get a bye, so he'll lose in the 2nd round. no worries :)
You cheeky little thing :p
He won't be getting byes much longer the way he's going :rolleyes:

Deboogle!.
10-23-2005, 08:48 PM
You cheeky little thing :p:angel:
He won't be getting byes much longer the way he's going :rolleyes:Nope, no he won't.

shotgun
10-23-2005, 08:52 PM
Too early to make predictions about it IMO.

lucashg
10-23-2005, 08:54 PM
I can't remember the last time Roddick has done something relevant in non-English speaking countries, is that a mental block? Bangkok 2004 must've been his last expressive result. He's still a favorite, but I'd put a well-rested Ljubicic ahead of him.

There's still no news about Federer, Nadal, Hewitt, Safin and Agassi, is there? I do hope they can play, but I doubt it - maybe Nadal, Hewitt and Agassi will, but unfortunately Federer is the least likely to play there =/

If all of them play, I'm not sure Federer and Safin would be the biggest favorites coming off a rather long lay-off with apparently serious injuries, so I'd say Nadal is along with Ljubicic and Roddick. Hewitt will cause some fuss too, if he's ok and Agassi, certainly.

adee-gee
10-23-2005, 08:57 PM
I can't remember the last time Roddick has done something relevant in non-English speaking countries, is that a mental block? Bangkok 2004 must've been his last expressive result. He's still a favorite, but I'd put a well-rested Ljubicic ahead of him.
To be fair, he plays very few events in non-English speaking countries.

NYCtennisfan
10-23-2005, 08:59 PM
No way that Roddick loses 4 matches in a row in ATP tourny play.

amierin
10-23-2005, 09:04 PM
I don't think Federer will play Paris. Rafa is iffy. With those two out I think the faves as listed

1. Andy Roddick
2. James Blake
3. Ivan Ljubicic
4. Robby Ginepri
5. Radek Stepanek

could be rearranged as follows:

1.Ljubicic
2.Ginepri
3.Blake
4.Roddick
5.Stepanek

Stepanek and Ginepri will come in super motivated and may play above themselves. I think Ivan can take it all though.

disturb3d
10-23-2005, 09:04 PM
I think the contenders are:

1. Andy Roddick
2. James Blake
3. Ivan Ljubicic
4. Robby Ginepri
5. Radek StepanekRealistically, Roddick isn't even a contender for the title. I'll be surprised if he gets through a single seeded-player.

Deboogle!.
10-23-2005, 09:04 PM
No way that Roddick loses 4 matches in a row in ATP tourny play.He might win some matches in Lyon this coming week (if he doesn't, it's retirement time.), then lose in Paris :)

Mind you, he made the semis in Paris in 2003 when he was exhausted, and had chances to make the final too. But, even though he was tired, he was playing with confdence. And that's the difference - he has none at the moment.

Merton
10-23-2005, 09:05 PM
I hope Andy can win this. James, Ljubicic and Nalbandian are definitely in the mix. I highly doubt that Roger and Rafa will play here.

Deb :hug: It is about time Andy stops crashing out early. Lyon is a good tourny to get back in form so that he does well in Paris.

+alonso
10-23-2005, 09:06 PM
Nobodo thinks Feña can do something good? :sad: I think He was the guy who almost defeated Ljubo this week.

Ps. Nadal defeated i know :ras:

PaulieM
10-23-2005, 09:09 PM
i would say andy, but i also didn't think he'd lose his first match in madrid so who knows. :shrug: i wouldn't mind james winning it.

Jimnik
10-23-2005, 11:24 PM
Ideally, both Fed and rafa will withdraw to give others a chance. If Marat plays, he's not going to win it and nor is Agassi or hewitt (months of negligable competitive tennis will take its toll). Ljubicic will probably reach the final and choke again and ARod will lose 7-6 7-6 to somebody in the QF. Coria, Davydenko, Gaudio and Puerta are too crap on indoor courts.

The winner will be either Nalbandian, Stepanek or Ginepri.

Viken01
10-23-2005, 11:32 PM
i'd like agassi and nalby to go far and maybe one of them to win :D

El Legenda
10-24-2005, 12:06 AM
I think if Ljubo gets to QF or SF he is a lock for the masters

Fergie
10-24-2005, 12:13 AM
Nobodo thinks Feña can do something good? :sad: I think He was the guy who almost defeated Ljubo this week.
Feña needs a good draw, he is playing well these weeks :)

Ivan should win :angel:

disturb3d
10-24-2005, 07:29 AM
Ideally, both Fed and rafa will withdraw to give others a chance. If Marat plays, he's not going to win it and nor is Agassi or hewitt (months of negligable competitive tennis will take its toll). Ljubicic will probably reach the final and choke again and ARod will lose 7-6 7-6 to somebody in the QF. Coria, Davydenko, Gaudio and Puerta are too crap on indoor courts.
Hah! If Andre or Lleyton enter the tournament, I'd bet my left nipple that one of them would win. Without breaking a sweat or losing a set.
I'm a poet, and I don't know it.

oneandonlyhsn
10-24-2005, 07:33 AM
Ideally, both Fed and rafa will withdraw to give others a chance. If Marat plays, he's not going to win it and nor is Agassi or hewitt (months of negligable competitive tennis will take its toll). Ljubicic will probably reach the final and choke again and ARod will lose 7-6 7-6 to somebody in the QF. Coria, Davydenko, Gaudio and Puerta are too crap on indoor courts.

The winner will be either Nalbandian, Stepanek or Ginepri.

Why should Rafa or Fed withdraw to give others a chance sounds stupid to me. Plus wouldnt the rest of the players want to beat the top players to win a trophy instead?

Duncan
10-24-2005, 11:55 AM
I'm gonna go for Nalbandian

Kosm
10-24-2005, 12:07 PM
This is taking into consideration that Agassi, Federer, Nadal, Safin and Hewitt don't play. If these guys do play, I'd put Safin at the top, then Federer, then Hewitt after Roddick. Agassi would be somewhere up there too.

Marat has not even started practising yet. No way he can win it even if he plays.

RaVeR
10-24-2005, 12:44 PM
I hope Ljubicic will win that tourney..he deserves to win!

Truc
10-24-2005, 01:10 PM
I think if Ljubo gets to QF or SF he is a lock for the masters
Do you mean as an alternate?
Ljubo needs at least a win in Lyon and a SF in Paris to overtake Davydenko. And Davydenko will probably win a few matches in the next 2 weeks, so that won't be enough.
And as for Coria (who may indeed not win a single match in the next 2 events :o), Ljubo has to win in Paris to pass him up, I think.

FaceyFacem
10-24-2005, 06:02 PM
unsurprisingly rafa is out of basel...i still haven't heard anything about roger and paris, but i would think rafa would like to try and get back to the city where he had his greatest triumph, plus i'd assume roger will win masters cup should he play, so i hope rafa wins paris, and then maybe if roger wins the cup then it would be 5-5 in TMS events this year
hahahaha

El Legenda
10-24-2005, 06:23 PM
Do you mean as an alternate?
Ljubo needs at least a win in Lyon and a SF in Paris to overtake Davydenko. And Davydenko will probably win a few matches in the next 2 weeks, so that won't be enough.
And as for Coria (who may indeed not win a single match in the next 2 events :o), Ljubo has to win in Paris to pass him up, I think.

well with Safin and Federer probly out, talks about Agassi ans Hewitt might be out. Alternate is good as in :)

euroka1
10-24-2005, 10:27 PM
With much of the top line competition absent, injured, on paternity leave, or just plain exhausted, I see Lyon and Paris being Andy Roddick's for the taking.

Jimnik
10-24-2005, 10:38 PM
Why should Rafa or Fed withdraw to give others a chance sounds stupid to me. Plus wouldnt the rest of the players want to beat the top players to win a trophy instead?
Off course I didn't mean they would withdraw because the others need to be given a chance. :rolleyes: They might withdraw because they might be injured. The result would be a chance for someone else to win.

disturb3d
10-24-2005, 10:40 PM
With much of the top line competition absent, injured, on paternity leave, or just plain exhausted, I see Lyon and Paris being Andy Roddick's for the taking.Andy's for the taking? The draw is filled with players a class above him.
Agassi, Nalbandian, Ljubicic, Blake, Ginepri (of the players certain to appear)
Possibly even Rafael, Lleyton and Roger.

euroka1
10-24-2005, 10:43 PM
Andy's for the taking? The draw is filled with players a class above him.
Agassi, Nalbandian, Ljubicic, Blake, Ginepri (of the players certain to appear)
Possibly even Rafael, Lleyton and Roger.

You said it, I didn't.

Grinder
10-24-2005, 10:49 PM
Andy's for the taking? The draw is filled with players a class above him.
Agassi, Nalbandian, Ljubicic, Blake, Ginepri (of the players certain to appear)


Of the players you mentioned,although I like most of those guys, only Agassi is a class above Roddick.

Biggest Acclomplishments:
Roddick: 2003 US Open Champion and year end number one, 2 time Wimbledon finalist
Nalbandian: 2002 Wimbledon Final
Ljubicic : 2005 Madrid TMS Finalist, Davis Cup Finalist (so far)
Blake: 2005 US Open quarterfinalist, 2005 Stockholm, New Haven winner
Ginepri: 2005 US Open, Cincinatti, Madrid seminfinalist, Indiannapolis winner

El Legenda
10-24-2005, 10:51 PM
Of the players you mentioned,although I like most of those guys, only Agassi is a class above Roddick.

Biggest Acclomplishments:
Roddick: 2003 US Open Champion and year end number one, 2 time Wimbledon finalist
Nalbandian: 2002 Wimbledon Final
Ljubicic : 2005 Madrid TMS Finalist, Davis Cup Finalist (so far)
Blake: 2005 US Open quarterfinalist, 2005 Stockholm, New Haven winner
Ginepri: 2005 US Open, Cincinatti, Madrid seminfinalist, Indiannapolis winner

you can add 16 wins in row for Ljubicic with back to back titles

disturb3d
10-24-2005, 10:54 PM
Of the players you mentioned,although I like most of those guys, only Agassi is a class above Roddick.

Biggest Acclomplishments:
Roddick: 2003 US Open Champion and year end number one, 2 time Wimbledon finalist
Nalbandian: 2002 Wimbledon Final
Ljubicic : 2005 Madrid TMS Finalist, Davis Cup Finalist (so far)
Blake: 2005 US Open quarterfinalist, 2005 Stockholm, New Haven winner
Ginepri: 2005 US Open, Cincinatti, Madrid seminfinalist, Indiannapolis winnerPrior achievements have very little matter in the case.
Take a look at Roger, whose achievements prior to 2003 were humble at best.

Any one of those players would have Roddick's number; should they play in Paris.

BIGDOGace
10-24-2005, 10:58 PM
i think Blake may be the 1

Jimnik
10-24-2005, 10:58 PM
Agassi, Nalba, Ljubo, Blake, Ginepri?

There isn't a single player there who Roddick cannot beat in Paris. I would agree that, on current form, Ljubo is the slight favourite but the others would probably lose.

Grinder
10-24-2005, 11:04 PM
I'm a fan of Blake and Ginepri, but I try to stay objective in my posts.

Agassi has Roddick's number, always has and most likely, always will

Roddick leads Ljubicic 5-2, I don't care if Ljubicic won the last meeting, Roddick won the prior four, he also beat Ljubicic 6-1 6-4 in Kooyong earlier this year.
Roddick leads Nalbandian 3-1
Roddick leads Blake 8-0, Blake may be able to turn it around, but Andy is in his head by now.
Roddick leads Ginepri 6-1

El Legenda
10-24-2005, 11:08 PM
I'm a fan of Blake and Ginepri, but I try to stay objective in my posts.

Agassi has Roddick's number, always has and most likely, always will

Roddick leads Ljubicic 5-2, I don't care if Ljubicic won the last meeting, Roddick won the prior four, he also beat Ljubicic 6-1 6-4 in Kooyong earlier this year.


I dont care about a exibition match, there last 2 match have been close, spliting 1-1 but Ljubicic should of won the match in Indy, after 6-1 start and having mp's. then davis cup. and even going back to 2003, the US open match was close.- none where indoor, Ljubo fav. surface

Jimnik
10-24-2005, 11:12 PM
I know Agassi has a 5-1 record against ARod but I would still favour Andy under these circumstances. The courts in Paris are quite fast and there's no doubt whom that will favour. Andy's only victory over Andre came on grass but he also came very close in Cincy.

Grinder
10-24-2005, 11:12 PM
I dont care about a exibition match, there last 2 match have been close, spliting 1-1 but Ljubicic should of won the match in Indy, after 6-1 start and having mp's. then davis cup. and even going back to 2003, the US open match was close.- none where indoor, Ljubo fav. surface

He "should" have won the match, what did he do when he was up 6-1 6-6? Closing out a match is as important as starting one.

Oh, by the way I'm pretty sure Andy's only win over Andre was on Houston clay.

disturb3d
10-24-2005, 11:14 PM
I'm a fan of Blake and Ginepri, but I try to stay objective in my posts.

Agassi has Roddick's number, always has and most likely, always will

Roddick leads Ljubicic 5-2, I don't care if Ljubicic won the last meeting, Roddick won the prior four, he also beat Ljubicic 6-1 6-4 in Kooyong earlier this year.
Roddick leads Nalbandian 3-1
Roddick leads Blake 8-0, Blake may be able to turn it around, but Andy is in his head by now.
Roddick leads Ginepri 6-1Each of these players have outperformed Andy in recent events. As well as two of them having the last laugh against him.

Apart from that. Roddick's conquerer's Muller and Karlovic were severly beaten by the hands of David and Robby.

ReturnWinner
10-24-2005, 11:14 PM
if roddick and ljubicic meet up in paris then ivan should have the edge
he is a better player on indoor besides paris is in europe, not in USA :p

Jimnik
10-24-2005, 11:15 PM
I'm an ARod fan but I have to be realistic. Under the present circumstances, Ljubo would have to be the favourite if the two met in Paris. Andy has a great h2h against him but ALL meetings have been very close and the few crucial points which decide matches seem to be won by Ivan these days.

Grinder
10-24-2005, 11:16 PM
Oh, I'm not going to argue that Ivan has the edge on indoor carpet if they meet in Paris. He definitely does have the edge, but I think the match could come down to a few tiebreaks and double faults.

Jimnik
10-24-2005, 11:20 PM
Each of these players have outperformed Andy in recent events. As well as two of them having the last laugh against him.

Apart from that. Roddick's conquerer's Muller and Karlovic were severly beaten by the hands of David and Robby.
Doesn't mean anything. All tennis followers know that if:

player A bt player B and
player B bt player C

it does NOT automatically mean that

player A bt player C

I would still make Andy the heavy favourite over Robby and David.

Jimnik
10-24-2005, 11:21 PM
Oh, I'm not going to argue that Ivan has the edge on indoor carpet if they meet in Paris. He definitely does have the edge, but I think the match could come down to a few tiebreaks and double faults.
absolutely

disturb3d
10-24-2005, 11:37 PM
Doesn't mean anything. All tennis followers know that if:

player A bt player B and
player B bt player C

it does NOT automatically mean that

player A bt player C

I would still make Andy the heavy favourite over Robby and David.You would HEAVILY favor Andy over David and Robby?

David who arguebly beat Andy in the '03 US Semi, and should rightfully have the US Open under his name.
And Robby who had a recent victory over Andy. Yet has improved substantially since then.

Not to mention that both are playing far better tennis than Andy as of late, and have progressed further on America's favorite surfaces.

+alonso
10-25-2005, 12:03 AM
I only want to say you can't compare Andy's H2H against Blake, Ginepri, Ljubicic, Nalbo, etc, Because if you see this.. Massu leads 2-0 Roddick.. and If you made them play It's obvious Roddick will win. it's about how are they playing.. Andy hasn't got good results in europe this season!
Of course that's doesn't mean Blake, Ljubo, etc are better players than him if you talk about career, it's only about Andy's current conditions.
IMHO I think most of the guys would beat Roddick (not easily of course) ;)