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Time for Rafa to take a rest...but he's not going to :-(

NicoFan
10-23-2005, 05:58 PM
I love this kid so this isn't a nasty criticism of him but one of concern.

Rafa plays way to much.

He seemed like he was hurting out there for the first two sets.

My hope is that he takes the next two weeks off and just thinks about Shanghai.

amierin
10-23-2005, 05:59 PM
What's next, Basel and then Paris? He's got nothing to prove. Go home and relax Rafa. See you in Shanghai.

adelaide
10-23-2005, 06:00 PM
I doubt he'll skip Paris, but I agree about Basel.

Scotso
10-23-2005, 06:05 PM
Basel is pointless... he can stil it.

But he should play Paris. He misses too many MS events as it is.

NicoFan
10-23-2005, 06:06 PM
He was cramping posing for pictures.

I wonder how his knees are.

Again, just very concerned.

I don't want to see a player with so much talent and as we just witnessed so much heart go down early in his career because of injuries due to overplaying.

Uncle Toni - you need to sit down with Rafa and figure out a more appropriate schedule next year.

DhammaTiger
10-23-2005, 06:07 PM
yes, you must rest now Rafa. I want the masters cup final to encapsulate 2005. Rafa vs Roger. So both must be fit and we can have a wonderful final

Galaxystorm
10-23-2005, 06:13 PM
He was cramping posing for pictures.

I wonder how his knees are..

His knees from the 3rd or 4rd set were hurting him and i think it's obvious he's gonna pull out of Basel

Uncle Toni - you need to sit down with Rafa and figure out a more appropriate schedule next year.

Some month ago i was criticized because i committed the sin of critiziing Nadal's schedule . Then if someone calls you as a moron or retard, don't be surprised at this fact

NicoFan
10-23-2005, 06:16 PM
Galaxystorm - you were right - you saw it ahead of many others. You shouldn't have been criticized for it especially because actually I think there were others that were saying it too.

At least he's stopped playing doubles - or at least I think that he's pretty much stopped playing doubles.

+alonso
10-23-2005, 06:18 PM
Let's hope he skips Basel and give it an easy walk to Fernando to the finals
:devil:

NYCtennisfan
10-23-2005, 06:21 PM
No way he plays Basel and I don't think he should play Paris. If he does have tendanitis, he needs to rest. That's the only thing that will help that condition.

NicoFan
10-23-2005, 09:18 PM
Oh no, that's horrid news.

I thought for sure that he would drop out of Basel.

Oh Rafa sweetie, what is in your head???????????????

More importantly, where is Uncle Toni's head. He's the older one, his coach, his uncle, the one he looks to for advice - Rafa is just a kid. Why isn't Uncle Toni telling him not to play???

NicoFan
10-23-2005, 09:24 PM
Oh I forgot...

These guys don't listen to their coaches...so frustrating... :eek:

Scotso
10-23-2005, 09:24 PM
I think it's rather honorable of him... he likes to keep his committments.

I'm sure next year he'll schedule a less demanding season.

+alonso
10-23-2005, 09:26 PM
OH no ! :sad: Damn! It's harder for Feña to get QF/SF

I wanted Basel For Nalbo or Feña

amierin
10-23-2005, 09:27 PM
Oh no, that's horrid news.

I thought for sure that he would drop out of Basel.

Oh Rafa sweetie, what is in your head???????????????

More importantly, where is Uncle Toni's head. He's the older one, his coach, his uncle, the one he looks to for advice - Rafa is just a kid. Why isn't Uncle Toni telling him not to play???

Toni told him not to go to Cincinnati and we know how that went. Maybe when the adrenalin rush is over he'll listen to reason.

rue
10-23-2005, 09:27 PM
The kid loves to play, but I think now he needs to take time out till Shanghai and rest up or he will be so burned out by the end of the season, that he won't have much left next year.

Sjengster
10-23-2005, 09:28 PM
Fine by me, if he leaves Paris for an unheralded and completely new TMS champion. It'll piss off the tournament directors there of course, but I'm sure they can put up with a final similar to Henman v Pavel two years ago.

NYCtennisfan
10-23-2005, 09:29 PM
I still don't think he will play in Basel. If he does, then it doesn't really seem plausible anymore that he has tendanitis in the knees because he would be playing for nothing really except for maybe a huge fee.

Deboogle!.
10-23-2005, 09:35 PM
This is absolutely baffling.

NYCtennisfan
10-23-2005, 09:36 PM
^I don't think it will come to fruition.

DhammaTiger
10-23-2005, 09:40 PM
NicoFan,Rafa should listen to you and the other posters on this thread and rest, but as you said, he is a kid, and may I add when I was his age I never listened to my elders. At that age it's the hormones that we listen to not reason. But,let us hope that Rafa will wake up in the morning and listen to his knees.

RogiFan88
10-23-2005, 09:47 PM
Fine by me, if he leaves Paris for an unheralded and completely new TMS champion. It'll piss off the tournament directors there of course, but I'm sure they can put up with a final similar to Henman v Pavel two years ago.

Sounds like a good idea but Rafa said he wants to play both Basel and Paris, if only to play on a faster surface [than Madrid], which is closer to that of Shanghai.

Uncle Toni advised against playing Cincy but we all know what happened... he won't be stopped, Rafa. ;)

Maybe he'll phone Rogi again and see if he's playing Paris, then decide whether or not to play... :p

Galaxystorm
10-23-2005, 09:54 PM
I would say he wanna travel to Basel because he wants to visit Roger , care about his injury in person and also meet Juliette :lol:

Jimnik
10-23-2005, 10:02 PM
Well he is only 19. He'll probably get away with it while his body is still young. But he certainly won't be able to make these decisions when he's 24/25 years old.

Alvarillo
10-23-2005, 10:09 PM
he will travel to Basel only to say that he can't play
i don't understand ATP, why an injured player has to travel to a city only to say, "sorry i would like to play but i can't"
and Paris, is very doubtful

Galaxystorm
10-23-2005, 10:19 PM
he will travel to Basel only to say that he can't play
i don't understand ATP, why an injured player has to travel to a city only to say, "sorry i would like to play but i can't"
and Paris, is very doubtful

Read TMS Madrid's webiste , the press conference after the match

NicoFan
10-23-2005, 10:28 PM
NicoFan,Rafa should listen to you and the other posters on this thread and rest, but as you said, he is a kid, and may I add when I was his age I never listened to my elders. At that age it's the hormones that we listen to not reason. But,let us hope that Rafa will wake up in the morning and listen to his knees.

Lol dtiger - so true. None of these guys listen to their coaches...makes you want to scream, but they all do it. It is their age. :lol:

Alvarillo
10-23-2005, 10:34 PM
Read TMS Madrid's webiste , the press conference after the match
i read and?
he says that he wants to play, that he would like to do it
but i can tell you he won't do it
at least Toni Nadal told us yesterday ... maybe can change their opinion but ...

Jimnik
10-23-2005, 10:36 PM
i don't understand ATP, why an injured player has to travel to a city only to say, "sorry i would like to play but i can't"
and Paris, is very doubtful
In fairness to the ATP, they're working in the interest of the tournaments, as well as the players.

A player commits to a tournament, so the organisers advertise, to all their supporters (fans/sponsers etc), that this player is going to show up. If that player then doesn't show up, it damages the reputation of that event because they failed to deliver, to their fans, what they had promised. Then the sponsers don't give their support next year and the fans don't bother showing up.

The ATP doesn't want to see players just pull out of tournaments at the last minute, unless they suddenly get an injury. It would be too easy for players to just enter every tournament and then pull out, at the last minute, if they didn't have to bother to show up.

NicoFan
10-23-2005, 10:37 PM
Thanks for the headsup Galaxystorm.

Here it is so people don't have to go to the site to find it:

Q. Will you be in Paris?

I hope to.

Q. I think it was a mental and physical effort. What percentage do you attribute to each of these aspects on the court? Are you about to travel tomorrow to Basel?

I don't need doctors right now, I want to go to Basel and win the tournament. I don't need to travel, but I want to get there, see how I feel. I hope to play the tournament.

Castafiore
10-23-2005, 11:02 PM
Will you guys just stop speculating about this and see what happens?

Sheesh


This is what he said in the press conference:
Q. Can you tell physically, how are you now? Are you okay? 70%?
A: No, no, I'm okay. I have pain in the two knees. Today is a very, very tough match. But I feel okay. I will speak with the doctors and I will have a test.

NicoFan
10-23-2005, 11:22 PM
I don't think that he's lying Galaxystorm - I think that he loves playing so he really thinks that maybe with a couple of days rest that maybe he could play.

Which I don't agree with - I think that he should rest no matter how he feels.

Castafiore - Where would MTF be if we didn't speculate...lol! They'd have to shut down the board for lack of activity. As long as there aren't hate messages, its all in good fun...but that's just my humble opinion. ;)

MIRE
10-23-2005, 11:24 PM
What's next, Basel and then Paris? He's got nothing to prove. Go home and relax Rafa. See you in Shanghai.
:worship:

Jimnik
10-23-2005, 11:30 PM
It's not just about prooving something - he wants to play tennis. He made a commitment to play in this tournament and he wants to stand-by it. He has a reputation to protect. If he loses early because of fatigue, so be it - no big deal. He moves on and tries to win Paris.

bad gambler
10-23-2005, 11:46 PM
he will probably do a Barcelona and just show up

hope he does well in Paris

nobama
10-24-2005, 12:15 AM
But if he really is injured why risk further injury to play in a tournament that basically means nothing? Common sense would tell him to pull out of Basel and Paris and be rested for Shanghai. Has Nadal really had a proper break yet this year?

Scotso
10-24-2005, 12:59 AM
he will probably do a Barcelona and just show up

hope he does well in Paris

Valencia?

Sam L (WTAW)
10-24-2005, 01:56 AM
He seems pretty money hungry to me like an upstart.

RogiFan88
10-24-2005, 02:55 AM
Rafa isn't motivated by money...

Scotso
10-24-2005, 03:08 AM
Rafa isn't motivated by money...

Agree. Rafael has more love for the game than most of the top players.

mandoura
10-24-2005, 03:30 AM
I think he should skip Basel. I am not sure about Paris, though. Rafa is very competitive. He is also still a kid in some ways. I have the feeling he likes the idea of splitting the masters with Roger and that's why he will not skip Paris. :)

mandoura
10-24-2005, 03:31 AM
Rafa isn't motivated by money...

I agree. :)

pommyNT
10-24-2005, 04:12 AM
i think he should take a rest till Shanghai.

bad gambler
10-24-2005, 05:18 AM
Valencia?
sorry you are correct, it was valencia

TennisMan85
10-24-2005, 05:23 AM
come on.. Superman Nafa!!!

Action Jackson
10-24-2005, 08:45 AM
He probably won't play and as for his schedule, who here expected him to win 4 TMS events and a Slam this year? If they did, then someone is telling big porkies.

He likes to honour his committments, which isn't a bad thing and Galaxy we've already been over why the 2 TMS events he missed this season, actually worked to his advantage, during the year.

Next year will be a lot easier to manage his schedule.

Action Jackson
10-24-2005, 09:42 AM
Tell that to the Vienna Tournament Director then ;)

He didn't need to play Båstad or Stuttgart did he?

jtipson
10-24-2005, 10:09 AM
I can't believe he's going to play in Basel. I hope he just turns up, smiles and goes home for a few days. Surely his knees can't hold out all season if he doesn't give them some rest?

Exodus
10-24-2005, 10:15 AM
i really don't think his knees are that bad or else there's no way he could hold on for 5 sets against Ivan. He is just exaggerating it just to put away the pressure.

Galaxystorm
10-24-2005, 12:28 PM
He isn't in the main draw, then he has withdrawn.

Scotso
10-24-2005, 12:32 PM
Have a good rest, Rafa!

So you can win in Paris ;)

Stevens Point
10-24-2005, 12:43 PM
He isn't in the main draw, then he has withdrawn.
Yes, I read an article about his withdrawal. It said he withdrew from Basel due to "an Injury". He announced his withdrawal 30 min. before the draw ceremony.

Castafiore
10-24-2005, 12:45 PM
Yep, it was in the press...he withdraws.

Rafael Nadal sagt Swiss Indoors verletzt ab
Basel. Si/baz. Kein Glück für die Organisatoren des Swiss Indoors in Basel: Nach Roger Federer hat kurzfristig auch der Weltranglisten-Zweite Rafael Nadal den Start in der St.-Jakob-Halle abgesagt. Nadal gibt als Begründung eine Verletzung an.

Mit dem Verzicht des 19-jährigen Spaniers musste gerechnet werden. Er war verletzungshalber bereits für das Masters-Series-Turnier von letzter Woche in Madrid fraglich gewesen; der Mallorquiner biss sich aber durch und gewann den Final gegen den Kroaten Ivan Ljubicic nach einem 0:2-Satzrückstand.
....

nobama
10-24-2005, 12:49 PM
Yes, I read an article about his withdrawal. It said he withdrew from Basel due to "an Injury". He announced his withdrawal 30 min. before the draw ceremony.No surprise there. Should do the same in Paris, but I'll be he won't.

jenanun
10-24-2005, 12:51 PM
actually i think he should skip paris as well.. he should take more rest to be fit and play well in shanghai...

Galaxystorm
10-24-2005, 12:52 PM
Nadal will travel from Madrid to Basel on 6:30 PM to be checked by ATP dotor and give a press conference . He has pain on his knee and on foot. And if it doesn't happen a last-minute problem he will be in Paris

NicoFan
10-24-2005, 12:58 PM
Nadal will travel from Madrid to Basel on 6:30 PM to be checked by ATP dotor and give a press conference . He has pain on his knee and on foot. And if it doesn't happen a last-minute problem he will be in Paris

Thanks for the info Galaxystorm.

I'm very happy he withdrew.

But unhappy he has pain in his knee and foot. :sad:

Have a nice rest RAFA!

And hopefully it will be see ya in Shanghai! :wavey: (Not Paris!! :mad: ).

NicoFan
10-24-2005, 01:28 PM
As Nadal says, at the end of season it's very difficult not to have pain in some part of the body . But this pain in knee and foot isn't nothing serious, only that he has played a lot of matches during this season .

Although in the press conference in Basel he will talk as he was lame ;)

Lol! Well the way the rules are, the players all have to do that. Honesty unfortunately isn't always the best policy for the players - lots of PR going on in tennis. Only Andre can get away with saying that he decided not to play because he decided not to play without any reason!! ;)

But I do think that Rafa is hurting.

And :mad: - he does want to play Paris.

Galaxystorm
10-24-2005, 01:33 PM
Lol! Well the way the rules are, the players all have to do that. Honesty unfortunately isn't always the best policy for the players - lots of PR going on in tennis. Only Andre can get away with saying that he decided not to play because he decided not to play without any reason!! ;)

But I do think that Rafa is hurting.

And :mad: - he does want to play Paris.


I think it's a good decision to play in Paris, on a carpet to train for Masters cup . The problem is that he plays too many international series, not the Masters series.

Deboogle!.
10-24-2005, 01:54 PM
I think it's a good decision to play in Paris, on a carpet to train for Masters cup . The problem is that he plays too many international series, not the Masters series.Isn't TMC indoor hard - more similar surface to Madrid? Anyway, the surfaces should be similar enough so that he'd be able to to Shanghai and adjust well enough. Anyway, just b/c he WANTS to play Paris doesn't mean he will. Clearly he *wanted* to play Basel too.

jtipson
10-24-2005, 02:07 PM
Isn't TMC indoor hard - more similar surface to Madrid? Anyway, the surfaces should be similar enough so that he'd be able to to Shanghai and adjust well enough. Anyway, just b/c he WANTS to play Paris doesn't mean he will. Clearly he *wanted* to play Basel too.

No, it's on the same surface as Paris is. It makes sense for players to play Bercy if they can.

star
10-24-2005, 02:10 PM
I think it's a good decision to play in Paris, on a carpet to train for Masters cup . The problem is that he plays too many international series, not the Masters series.

I think he is playing as many Masters series as the other top players, isn't he? Certainly as many as Federer. Maybe I'm wrong here.

Carpet is the surface I like least, so I am always a bit :mad: when the TMC is on carpet.

star
10-24-2005, 02:13 PM
Yep, it was in the press...he withdraws.

Mallorquiner --- I like that. :) :) :)

landoud
10-24-2005, 02:18 PM
good for him... hopefully we see him in TMC

NicoFan
10-24-2005, 02:18 PM
I think he is playing as many Masters series as the other top players, isn't he? Certainly as many as Federer. Maybe I'm wrong here.

Carpet is the surface I like least, so I am always a bit :mad: when the TMC is on carpet.

Me too Star - I don't like carpet at all...

star
10-24-2005, 02:28 PM
Except I liked carpet that year Nico Lapentti did so well indoors. :lol: :lol:

NicoFan
10-24-2005, 02:36 PM
Except I liked carpet that year Nico Lapentti did so well indoors. :lol: :lol:

LOL!

Yeah, your favorites winning definitely can make you love a surface! (Nico L. is so sweet too!).

I hate hardcourts, but I wasn't complaining when my Nico (Massu) won the Olympics! ;)

star
10-24-2005, 02:39 PM
Nico L is definitely one of the cutest, hottest, sexiest, charming guys in tennis.

Too bad he is playing so lousy that we hardly ever get to see him. :(

NicoFan
10-24-2005, 02:52 PM
Nico L is definitely one of the cutest, hottest, sexiest, charming guys in tennis.

Too bad he is playing so lousy that we hardly ever get to see him. :(

Nico L really is sweet. I was able to see him twice live in Miami, and then at the US Open.

Stupid injuries - really mess up a guy's career. :mad:

I hope he can come back at some point because he's so liked on the tour by the fans.

And like his brother Gio - he's got a bit of an edge to him that I find amusing...lol!

NicoFan
10-24-2005, 02:52 PM
And sorry to everyone else.

I know...we're :topic:

But I started this thread so I can... lol! ;)

Galaxystorm
10-24-2005, 03:29 PM
I hate hardcourts

:speakles: :awww:

NicoFan
10-24-2005, 03:54 PM
LOL!

I do hate hardcourts, and I'm not apologizing.... :angel:

Blame it on Pete...I hate the serve only game. Boom, boom, the point is over. I like to see strategy, and the tennis is all about angles... :worship:

But let's not go there...I've had enough of the clay vs. hardcourts discussions...let's just leave it at I'm right, and everyone that likes hardcourts is wrong... ;)

And yet again...we are :topic: again...lol!

peteslamz
10-24-2005, 03:55 PM
I think Rafa will play the Paris Masters because it's a big oppotunity for him to go for the record breaking winning 5 masters series in a year. And Rafa does not seemed injured at all when he plays..running all around the court.. he really amazes me... :eek:

jenanun
10-24-2005, 04:07 PM
i think rafael knows he shouldnt play anymore till shanghai, but he is so eager to win more titles this year so, unless he cant run at all, he is still going for paris...

i just wish he wont play in paris.... but play well in shanghai...

rather than play in paris, but hurt himself and play poor in shanghai.....

amierin
10-24-2005, 04:39 PM
Glad he listened to reason. I wish he would hold out for Shanghai but I'm sure he'd like having one more TMS under his belt.

DhammaTiger
10-24-2005, 06:55 PM
Fabulous that Rafa listened to his body and didn't play in Basel. Hopefully he will rest till Shanghai. He is right there is no cure for tendonitis, all they can do is alleviate the symptoms but it will flare up with over use. All he needs is to rest it when it flares up. I am speaking from experience having tennis elbow for many years.
I agree with both of you NicoFan and star, i don't like hard courts and carpets too

soraya
10-25-2005, 02:46 AM
i really don't think his knees are that bad or else there's no way he could hold on for 5 sets against Ivan. He is just exaggerating it just to put away the pressure.

Exactly, i don't know how he played with tendinitis for the whole tournament. IMO that was just a prelude to skip basel and perhaps paris. who can blame the kiddo?