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cobalt60
10-23-2005, 12:42 PM
Ok as this is my first thread on GM( and may very well be my last :p ) so be kind.

I was watching TTC here in the states with the European Madrid feed and the commentators were talking about how and why some South American players continually change coaches. Yes it seems to be a fact for some but not all but then the commentators went on to say that the players seemed to point the blame for their doing poorly squarely on their coaches without taking some of the blame on themselves. I thought this was a bit out of line and obviously an opinion although not stated as such.

Now I know many MTF's have opinions and don't mind commentating a bit themselves. But I also think that there are others here who may actually have information to share in this regard. So comment away please ;)

lau
10-23-2005, 01:04 PM
Marat`s not South American :o :p

EDIT: Stupid theory in my opinion. But it`s true some of them change coaches quite often... BTW, usually the same coaches rotate between most of the SA players

Saumon
10-23-2005, 01:34 PM
Marat`s not South American :o :p
well he's improving, he's been with the same coach for 18 months :eek: :p

Action Jackson
10-23-2005, 01:56 PM
What the South American coach dance, that is fun and usually Argentines, though Massu has changed a few times, it depends on the player, but at the same time some responsibility has to go on them, it's like it's never the players fault only the racquets when they miss easy passing shots on their break point and go onto lose the match.

Well even the best coaches get fired, sometimes it doesn't work with that particular player and person and other times it does. Since the player is the employer, then they can do what they like with the hired help, if it doesn't work for them, though the commentators make a fair point, each individual has to take some form of responsibility for themselves.

lau
10-23-2005, 02:01 PM
I agree George, but I don´t think it`s a "south american players" thing or an "argentine players" thing only... That`s why I said that IMO it`s a stupid theory (if it`s only applied to south american and/or argentine players only) ;)

cobalt60
10-23-2005, 02:04 PM
What the South American coach dance, that is fun and usually Argentines, though Massu has changed a few times, it depends on the player, but at the same time some responsibility has to go on them, it's like it's never the players fault only the racquets when they miss easy passing shots on their break point and go onto lose the match.

Well even the best coaches get fired, sometimes it doesn't work with that particular player and person and other times it does. Since the player is the employer, then they can do what they like with the hired help, if it doesn't work for them, though the commentators make a fair point, each individual has to take some form of responsibility for themselves.
Thanks GWH I figured you would have some info. And why they choose to single out the SA players is beyond me. But again they stated it as a fact without any backing up info.

Action Jackson
10-23-2005, 02:09 PM
Thanks GWH I figured you would have some info. And why they choose to single out the SA players is beyond me. But again they stated it as a fact without any backing up info.

They wouldn't make a claim like that without the info, and actually he used plenty of it when he mentioned Calleri had changed coaches a lot, at the same time Malisse and Safin have had a lot of coaches as well, it was relevant to the case.

I mean Coria for memory has had Davin, Mancini, Blengino, Monachesi and now with Perlas.

Gaudio has worked with Peña, de la Peña, Jaite, Infantino and now Davin.

There are other examples like Zab, Chela and that have changed coaches a lot, then again it's like this in football, if the team does well, then the coach gets praise, a few bad results and then they are gone.

cobalt60
10-23-2005, 02:12 PM
They wouldn't make a claim like that without the info, and actually he used plenty of it when he mentioned Calleri had changed coaches a lot, at the same time Malisse and Safin have had a lot of coaches as well, it was relevant to the case.

I mean Coria for memory has had Davin, Mancini, Blengino, Monachesi and now with Perlas.

Gaudio has worked with Peña, de la Peña, Jaite, Infantino and now Davin.

There are other examples like Zab, Chela and that have changed coaches a lot, then again it's like this in football, if the team does well, then the coach gets praise, a few bad results and then they are gone.
Interesting and thanks agains especially for all the coaching information. Wow.
Who then has actually had a long term coach; say over 3+ years. Agassi comes to mind but...others?

Action Jackson
10-23-2005, 02:19 PM
Interesting and thanks agains especially for all the coaching information. Wow.
Who then has actually had a long term coach; say over 3+ years. Agassi comes to mind but...others?

There was a point to what they were saying, it needed some background info.
Guga and Passos were together for ages.
Schüttler and Hordoff
Ferrero and his coach
Youzhny and Sokhi
Gaudio and Davin have been together for a while now
Corretja and Duarte

basil333
10-23-2005, 02:41 PM
Argentine Tennis Players and Certain other SA Players and Coaches act like a team, a big team, and usually there are other reasons for the individual changes, family reasons etc rather than negative reasons - and more often than not you will see them back on court with their former coaches with their latest players laughing and joking and supporting each other. AND its no surprise that they often rehire their coaches again too - and if a player forgets to pack their coach for a tournament, more often than not you will find that player working with Hernan Gumy - who in my humble opinon is the "floater coach"

I think it is really great to see the strong "Team Spirit" the South American Team has. More countries could learn from their example.

*Ljubica*
10-23-2005, 02:43 PM
Great thread Sue - of course we'll be kind! :hug: Personally - I agree with your commentators - so many players just seem to blame their coaches when things go wrong instead of being mature and adult enough to blame themselves. It's called shifting responsibility instead of facing up to their own shortcomings - and I hate it :devil: The South Americans are renowned for it - though as others have said it's true that other players do it to - Marat being the obvious example..

Of course, sometimes personalities just do clash and they're better apart - though certainly in the case of the close-knit Argentine tennis community you would think they would know that before hiring someone and then changing their mind after a few months :rolleyes: But - half the time in my opinion it's just because the players aren't grown up enough to see that most of the fault for bad losses is their own - not their coaches! After all-no matter how hard a coach works he can't be out on the court playing a match can he - if a player messes it up, - it is down to him - so why blame someone else!? A lot of fans are bad in that regard too - if their favourite loses it is easy to bame the poor coach and call for his sacking instead of accepting their player is not quite the little :angel: they would like him to be!

Btw - GWH - how could you forget the lovely Gaby Markus in your list of Coria's coaches? Mind you - he only lasted a couple of months so maybe it isn't worth remembering :angel:

PaulieM
10-23-2005, 02:48 PM
since when are the south american players the only ones that blame their coaches for bad results :confused: i'm pretty sure there are quite a few other players that change their coaches like underwear as well.:shrug: it's much easier to blame someone else than accept some responsibility yourself, it's like that in a lot of areas of life.

lau
10-23-2005, 02:50 PM
Argentine Tennis Players and Certain other SA Players and Coaches act like a team, a big team, and usually there are other reasons for the individual changes, family reasons etc rather than negative reasons - and more often than not you will see them back on court with their former coaches with their latest players laughing and joking and supporting each other. AND its no surprise that they often rehire their coaches again too - and if a player forgets to pack their coach for a tournament, more often than not you will find that player working with Hernan Gumy - who in my humble opinon is the "floater coach"

I think it is really great to see the strong "Team Spirit" the South American Team has. More countries could learn from their example.
:lol: It`s not that idyllic all the time ;) There are some good cat fights too :o
But I agree that the SA players´ relation with their coaches and/or teams can be very different from the one Americans and Europeans (not all of them) players have. I`m not saying they are better, just different...


Btw - GWH - how could you forget the lovely Gaby Markus in your list of Coria's coaches? Mind you - he only lasted a couple of months so maybe it isn't worth remembering :angel:
I think everyone knew he wouldn´t last much... He was a "transition coach" :lol:

*Ljubica*
10-23-2005, 03:03 PM
:lol: It`s not that idyllic all the time ;) There are some good cat fights too :o
But I agree that the SA players´ relation with their coaches and/or teams can be very different from the one Americans and Europeans (not all of them) players have. I`m not saying they are better, just different...


I think everyone knew he wouldn´t last much... He was a "transition coach" :lol:

But did he know that :p Mind you, he's back with Massu again now - via Giovanni Lapentti and a short stint with Vinny Spadea (what a combination :eek: ). I agree with you that's it's not always idyllic though - far from it - most definately!!!

cobalt60
10-23-2005, 03:53 PM
Thank you Rosie! I was hoping that you might post-you were someone I knew would have good information. And I didn't mean to single out any one group of players. It is just that the commentators did and made it seem that the SA's were different as a whole group. That one bit is what disturbed me somewhat.
And Paulie-very true about life in general but I won't go into philosophical/psychological issues about why people throw the blame onto others.

Baseline
10-23-2005, 04:05 PM
Btw - GWH - how could you forget the lovely Gaby Markus in your list of Coria's coaches? Mind you - he only lasted a couple of months so maybe it isn't worth remembering :angel:

One of Coria's short-term coaches was a pre-arranged temporary stint, that may have been Markus? I also heard a rumor that Coria parted with Mancini over personal reasons, that Mancini objected to him marrying Carla. Personally, I'd choose a spouse over a coach any day.

*Ljubica*
10-23-2005, 04:06 PM
Thank you Rosie! I was hoping that you might post-you were someone I knew would have good information. And I didn't mean to single out any one group of players. It is just that the commentators did and made it seem that the SA's were different as a whole group. That one bit is what disturbed me somewhat.
And Paulie-very true about life in general but I won't go into philosophical/psychological issues about why people throw the blame onto others.

Mine of useless information - that's me :angel: I do understand where your commentators are coming from though as I said before - you only need to compare the usually short-lived South American coach/player partnerships with the likes of other combinations such as Piatti/Ljubicic, Volandri/ Fanucci or Schuettler/Hordorff to see that they do have a bad track record! The only really long-standing South American coach/player relationship I can think of was Guga/Pasos which lasted many, many years, and even that was more a personal almost "Father/Son" thing after Guga lost his Father very young, than a "normal" coaching relationship. Most others barely last 18 months (often a lot less!)

*Ljubica*
10-23-2005, 04:12 PM
One of Coria's short-term coaches was a pre-arranged temporary stint, that may have been Markus? I also heard a rumor that Coria parted with Mancini over personal reasons, that Mancini objected to him marrying Carla. Personally, I'd choose a spouse over a coach any day.

Blengino was the temporary one I believe, not Markus,- though I accept that as a big Coria fan, you would know more than me in that regard. As for the Mancini split - I believe there were personal reasons involved and I'm sure that Mancini may have thought Coria was too young to get married and his new life might detract from his tennis ambitions - but there must have been other reasons as well - I couldn't tell you.

Action Jackson
10-23-2005, 04:35 PM
Btw - GWH - how could you forget the lovely Gaby Markus in your list of Coria's coaches? Mind you - he only lasted a couple of months so maybe it isn't worth remembering :angel:

I didn't mean to forget Gaby Markus, it was an oversight, but he has been around the block as well, before coaching weasel, he was also with Nalbandian and the others you have mentioned. I think with Coria and Markus, it wasn't meant to be temporary, though coming back too soon at the TMC last year couldn't have helped.

Come to think of it Feña with De La Peña have been together for quite some time, he was also coaching Acasuso at the time, Chucho came on the tour.

Mancini well they had their reasons for splitting.

*Ljubica*
10-23-2005, 04:58 PM
I didn't mean to forget Gaby Markus, it was an oversight, but he has been around the block as well, before coaching weasel, he was also with Nalbandian and the others you have mentioned. I think with Coria and Markus, it wasn't meant to be temporary, though coming back too soon at the TMC last year couldn't have helped.

Come to think of it Feña with De La Peña have been together for quite some time, he was also coaching Acasuso at the time, Chucho came on the tour.

Mancini well they had their reasons for splitting.

Yes - you're right about Horacio and Feña - must be a couple of years now. Horacio is also working with the young Chilean hope Paul Capdeville, so he must be a busy man ;)

NicoFan
10-23-2005, 05:56 PM
Yes - you're right about Horacio and Feña - must be a couple of years now. Horacio is also working with the young Chilean hope Paul Capdeville, so he must be a busy man ;)

Horacio is too busy - I would like to see him focus on Fernando a bit more. He does also coach Paul (and Etlis and Rodriguez) as well as having a school in Chile.

Great coach though - I like that he's with Fernando - hope they stay together a long time to come.

Hope Nico keeps Gaby this time...lol!...because he has changed coaches every year. Gaby is a great coach - time to stick with one!

cobalt60
10-23-2005, 06:38 PM
Personally - I agree with your commentators - so many players just seem to blame their coaches when things go wrong instead of being mature and adult enough to blame themselves. It's called shifting responsibility instead of facing up to their own shortcomings - and I hate it :devil: The South Americans are renowned for it - though as others have said it's true that other players do it to - Marat being the obvious example..

I hate it too,Rosie. Your comment has reminded me about other stuff as well. :sad: But yes as you and GWH have alluded to, the commentators were talking about how strange that the changes happen so much. And I remember reading that it also takes a significant amount of time for a coach to actually help a player but that the "time" issue is overlooked.
BTW when did Davin go back with Gaudio? I thought they were a done deal earlier this year? They have made up?

+alonso
10-23-2005, 07:21 PM
Yeah, Horacio is working with Feña and Paul at the same time ;) I didn't know about Chucho :yeah:
Hmm I don't think it's a SA players problem.. it depends of the player a lot.. If a player has bad character (like Massu) is going to change of coaches till he feels good..

*Ljubica*
10-23-2005, 08:06 PM
I hate it too,Rosie. Your comment has reminded me about other stuff as well. :sad: But yes as you and GWH have alluded to, the commentators were talking about how strange that the changes happen so much. And I remember reading that it also takes a significant amount of time for a coach to actually help a player but that the "time" issue is overlooked.
BTW when did Davin go back with Gaudio? I thought they were a done deal earlier this year? They have made up?

Gaston and Franco got back together just before the US Open - but their present contract is only temporary until the end of this season - then they will re-evaluate and see whether they want to continue together next year or go their separate ways. As for the time thing - well a friend of mine who is a professional coach told me that you need about 3 months to even get to know your new player,and then at least another 3 months on top of that to begin to help them. So realistically, anyone who expects quick results in less than 6-9 months with a new coach is going to be disappointed.

And guess I know what "other stuff" you are referring to :sad:

cobalt60
10-23-2005, 08:19 PM
Gaston and Franco got back together just before the US Open - but their present contract is only temporary until the end of this season - then they will re-evaluate and see whether they want to continue together next year or go their separate ways. As for the time thing - well a friend of mine who is a professional coach told me that you need about 3 months to even get to know your new player,and then at least another 3 months on top of that to begin to help them. So realistically, anyone who expects quick results in less than 6-9 months with a new coach is going to be disappointed.

And guess I know what "other stuff" you are referring to :sad:
Thanks Rosie. I took a short break after that but my love of tennis is stronger thankfully and the addiction to MTF hard to break ;)

mandoura
10-24-2005, 09:18 AM
Nice thread Sue.

Well here, it is the opposite. Good coaches are hard to find. So, they tend to put the blame on the player when he gets poor results. They are the choosy ones.

From personal experience, my son has been with his coach ever since he started palying except for a very short period. Two years ago, he had a nasty fight with him and decided to change him. As he is the one playing, I don't interfere with his decisions. He was mad because he thought his coach didn't pay much attention to his weak points and thought he was not helping him enough overcome them. He stayed with another coach for 5 months (one of the best available, considered even better than his own coach) and his level really took a dive. There was no chemistry (another important factor) between them and they never liked each other. He was too proud to go back to his old coach.

Fortunately for him, after seeing his results, his old coach gave him a call and asked him if he wanted them to work back together. My son accepted immediately and they've been together ever since. Because he is young and not yet on a "professional" level, he is very emotionally attached to his coach. He looks up to him as a big brother and will not hear of changing him.

The point is, when you are a professional and can afford it, if your coach isn't giving you the results you are looking for, you will most probably change him. I think most players are mature enough to know and evaluate where the responsibilities lie. If they keep kidding themselves that their results, or lack of them, are solely the responsibility of their coach, they will never reach the level they are aiming for, even if the coach plays instead of them. ;)

Action Jackson
10-24-2005, 09:22 AM
Yeah, Horacio is working with Feña and Paul at the same time ;) I didn't know about Chucho :yeah:
Hmm I don't think it's a SA players problem.. it depends of the player a lot.. If a player has bad character (like Massu) is going to change of coaches till he feels good..

Yes, Horacio coached Chucho for a little while and it wasn't too bad, but now Chucho is with Orsanic, who also worked with Horna. You see Orsanic must like pain.

That's the thing Massu is always changing coaches, then again as I said so are Malisse and Safin is quite stable for once.

cobalt60
10-25-2005, 10:29 PM
Yeah, Horacio is working with Feña and Paul at the same time ;) I didn't know about Chucho :yeah:
Hmm I don't think it's a SA players problem.. it depends of the player a lot.. If a player has bad character (like Massu) is going to change of coaches till he feels good..
I missed this comment Alonso- what do you mean by Massu and "bad character"? And changing to feel good?

And Mando interesting about the different aspect of coaching where you are with your son.
And of course we now have Roddick and Malisse changing coaches. How many more after this season?

BTW- My favorite coachs( and how could I forget?)- Tony Roche and David Macpherson( the latter because he is very funny and kept his word)

+alonso
10-25-2005, 10:48 PM
I missed this comment Alonso- what do you mean by Massu and "bad character"? And changing to feel good?
I meant He don't have always a good mood with his coaches, and he changes it to feel good or better
sorry Sue.. told ya before my english sucks :sad:

NicoFan
10-25-2005, 10:53 PM
I meant He don't have always a good mood with his coaches, and he changes it to feel good or better
sorry Sue.. told ya before my english sucks :sad:

Yes, much like most of the South American players...

Like most of them, he can be difficult to coach. But I've heard that about most of the SA players.

Gaby says that he has a lot of affection for Nico though so they obviously have a good relationship. Which is good, because Nico needs him. :)

cobalt60
10-25-2005, 11:15 PM
I meant He don't have always a good mood with his coaches, and he changes it to feel good or better
sorry Sue.. told ya before my english sucks :sad:
There is nothing wrong with your english Alonso- not to worry. Much better than my spanish and you are right about moods ;)

mandoura
10-26-2005, 10:30 AM
I meant He don't have always a good mood with his coaches, and he changes it to feel good or better
sorry Sue.. told ya before my english sucks :sad:

Your English is just fine and it is not even your mother tongue :) . The purpose of language is communication not winning a Pulitzer Prize. As long as we understand each other, no problema, si? :D

RogiFan88
10-26-2005, 01:36 PM
There was a point to what they were saying, it needed some background info.
Guga and Passos were together for ages.
Schüttler and Hordoff
Ferrero and his coach
Youzhny and Sokhi
Gaudio and Davin have been together for a while now
Corretja and Duarte

ah... Alex and Dudu... those were the good old days ;)

Ferrero and Martinez... a change is LONG overdue :p

NicoFan
10-26-2005, 01:41 PM
ah... Alex and Dudu... those were the good old days ;)

Ferrero and Martinez... a change is LONG overdue :p

Definitely agree about Ferrero. Way way overdue...

Action Jackson
10-26-2005, 01:42 PM
ah... Alex and Dudu... those were the good old days ;)

Ferrero and Martinez... a change is LONG overdue :p

Well Alex and Dudu were together for ages and big Al and Perlas were together for sometime as well.

Dudu is probably still smoking a pack of cigs a day somewhere in Barcelona.

Malisse has gone for another coaching change.

star
10-26-2005, 02:17 PM
Ok as this is my first thread on GM( and may very well be my last :p ) so be kind.

I was watching TTC here in the states with the European Madrid feed and the commentators were talking about how and why some South American players continually change coaches. Yes it seems to be a fact for some but not all but then the commentators went on to say that the players seemed to point the blame for their doing poorly squarely on their coaches without taking some of the blame on themselves. I thought this was a bit out of line and obviously an opinion although not stated as such.

Now I know many MTF's have opinions and don't mind commentating a bit themselves. But I also think that there are others here who may actually have information to share in this regard. So comment away please ;)

:lol: when I saw this thread title I thought it was about Murray going up on Henman 5-2, but now I see it's only another thread about South American players.

I've a soft spot for the South Americans. They are a little different from the other players and bring a great flavor to the tour. If they change coaches or blame their coaches -- it's no more than players from other parts of the world do. Actually, I think it's been a bit more common in recent years for a player to change coaches. It used to be a rare event. Now I see many players changing coaches.

RogiFan88
10-26-2005, 02:28 PM
Well Alex and Dudu were together for ages and big Al and Perlas were together for sometime as well.

Dudu is probably still smoking a pack of cigs a day somewhere in Barcelona.

...

...not as many as he smoked when he was coaching Alex... ;)

Action Jackson
10-26-2005, 02:30 PM
...not as many as he smoked when he was coaching Alex... ;)

Well he was always smoking, still one of the best coaches around.

mandoura
10-26-2005, 02:38 PM
:lol: when I saw this thread title I thought it was about Murray going up on Henman 5-2, but now I see it's only another thread about South American players.

I've a soft spot for the South Americans. They are a little different from the other players and bring a great flavor to the tour. If they change coaches or blame their coaches -- it's no more than players from other parts of the world do. Actually, I think it's been a bit more common in recent years for a player to change coaches. It used to be a rare event. Now I see many players changing coaches.

Absolutely. Some sweet, some sour, never bland. :)

NicoFan
10-26-2005, 02:40 PM
:lol: when I saw this thread title I thought it was about Murray going up on Henman 5-2, but now I see it's only another thread about South American players.

I've a soft spot for the South Americans. They are a little different from the other players and bring a great flavor to the tour. If they change coaches or blame their coaches -- it's no more than players from other parts of the world do. Actually, I think it's been a bit more common in recent years for a player to change coaches. It used to be a rare event. Now I see many players changing coaches.

I have a soft spot for them too.

It is all players, just not South Americans or certain South American players.

And the fans scream for coaching changes too (I've been guilty of that myself on more than one occasion. ;) ). Look at how everyone wants Andy to dump Dean - and Andy had a great year by most players standards.

shotgun
12-21-2005, 12:33 AM
This weekend I read an interesting article on a Brazilian paper about this. It was written by Paulo Cleto, a former coach and DC captain. While the article was not exactly about this, he made a comment that in the tennistic culture in Argentina, the switching of coaches occurs more often between players than in other countries, mainly because of money and everything that comes with a ranking climb-up. When players achieve a certain level of success at the tour, they have more "bargain power" to reduce coach salaries, then if the coach is unwilling to give up on his high salaries, even if he is coaching a high-level player that could boost his coaching career, the break-up occurs.

Of course, a lot of people here will disagree with this, and I have to make clear that it's not my opinion, just an article written by a guy who knows a lot about tennis behind-the-scenes.

cobalt60
12-21-2005, 12:36 AM
This weekend I read an interesting article on a Brazilian paper about this. It was written by Paulo Cleto, a former coach and DC captain. While the article was not exactly about this, he made a comment that in the tennistic culture in Argentina, the switching of coaches occurs more often between players than in other countries, mainly because of money and everything that comes with a ranking climb-up. When players achieve a certain level of success at the tour, they have more "bargain power" to reduce coach salaries, then if the coach is unwilling to give up on his high salaries, even if he is coaching a high-level player that could boost his coaching career, the break-up occurs.

Of course, a lot of people here will disagree with this, and I have to make clear that it's not my opinion, just an article written by a guy who knows a lot about tennis behind-the-scenes.
:D :wavey:

shotgun
12-21-2005, 12:37 AM
:D :wavey:

Hey, hope you don't mind I have bumped up your thread. :p

cobalt60
12-21-2005, 12:50 AM
Hey, hope you don't mind I have bumped up your thread. :p
No but I wish I had more to add in it :lol:

Action Jackson
03-19-2006, 05:19 AM
Thanks to Rosie for finding this and excuse the poor translation. I hope this is not a trend that Acasuso continues and he sticks with the team he has.

This is known as the South American dance of the coaches among the players and Chucho's and Gaston's former coach Horacio De La Peña has made some comments.

Here is the original link.

http://www.infobae.com/notas/nota.p...xSeccion=100712

De La Peña again attacks Argentinian players

The coach of the Chilean Fernando Gonzalez doesn´t understand why so many Argentinian players change coach so often. Coria Calleri Chela and Zabaleta are at the top the list.

In statements made to the cable program "Tennis Sports". De La Peña says "so many coach changes are not well regarded. In Europe they really can´t understand these attitudes.

Argentine players are not well considered in Europe because of these those changes. The statistics show that, for example, for Guillermo Coria, Spanish Jose Higueras will be coach number 8, Calleri with 9 Zaba and Chela with 7 coaches".

Gastón Gaudio and David Nalbandian have had less coaching changes. The former champion of Roland Garros had six and the present number one of Argentina, four.

De La Peña says "Beyond the attitude of the players, the coaches must earn themselves respect, I have a yearly renewable contract with Fernando Gonzalez and we both take care of ourselves and respect each other".

De La Peña last worked with Squillari in 2002 as hasn't worked with an Argentine player since then. He used to train Chucho and Gaudio among others.

cobalt60
03-19-2006, 02:26 PM
Whoa the thread was bumped again? Thanks for this article GW- interesting read. Although I think De La Pena is a good coach and has had success with Gonzalez; I also note that he isn't shy about mouthing off. Seems to get him into trouble. Wonder what the response will be? If you see anything will you post it? Thanks.

*Ljubica*
03-19-2006, 02:40 PM
Whoa the thread was bumped again? Thanks for this article GW- interesting read. Although I think De La Pena is a good coach and has had success with Gonzalez; I also note that he isn't shy about mouthing off. Seems to get him into trouble. Wonder what the response will be? If you see anything will you post it? Thanks.
De la Peña is not so popular in Argentina because of his affiliation with all things Chilean :rolleyes: so they will probably ignore him! And - yes he does open his big mouth quite often - but on this occasion I believe that he is right. It cannot be good for a player (especially a young, up-and-coming player) to lose the continuity that comes with a long-standing coaching relationship such as the one Guga had with Pasos.......with many young players the coach spends more time wth them than their own Father does, and trust and respect built over a long time is paramount. A good working relationship develops over time, where people can really get to know and undersand one another as human beings not just player/coach, and develop a rapport with each other on and off the court. Constant chopping and changing is damaging to their development just as most peoples' careers could be damaged by skipping into a new job every few months instead of staying with one company for a decent length of time and learning everything you need to know before moving on. Well said Horacio :worship:

cobalt60
03-19-2006, 02:50 PM
I totally agree Rosie about players sticking with the same coach. I have to go back and reread my original post when I started this thread.
The other interesting coaching changes to me are when family coaches the player. Paradorn's dad now brother and now AndyR's bro. Dtiger posted a nice article yesterday where P's brother said that his job is mainly being supportive and not tactical. Obviously P had a good run at IW but I think tactics and being a direct observer and commenting/improving mistakes are important for coaches to deal with.

*Ljubica*
03-19-2006, 02:57 PM
I totally agree Rosie about players sticking with the same coach. I have to go back and reread my original post when I started this thread.
The other interesting coaching changes to me are when family coaches the player. Paradorn's dad now brother and now AndyR's bro. Dtiger posted a nice article yesterday where P's brother said that his job is mainly being supportive and not tactical. Obviously P had a good run at IW but I think tactics and being a direct observer and commenting/improving mistakes are important for coaches to deal with.
I agree with you about the family thing too. It must be hard for a brother to criticise a player as much as he should do when that player is his own close family member. I always see it as a bit of a cop-out................the player doesn't want to listen so they choose a "coach" who isn't likely to answer them back or have a go at them!!!!!!! I know very little about Andy and his brother, so I can't really comment on their situation, but I'm sure Andy would do better with a more neutral and much more experienced professional coach by his side.

Deboogle!.
03-19-2006, 11:02 PM
Our commentators said something very interesting earlier this tourney - that Andy can't blame the coach now b/c the coach is his brother. I think that's something that can help Andy - I think very arguably what Andy needs right now is someone who can give him the mental/emotional support and he needs to take the responsibility for his form.

Rosie, they're extremely close and his brother does run an academy for top juniors in Texas.. so it's a bit different of a situation from some other coach/brother relationships because his brother really does know tennis above and beyond what he's done with Andy. And as Andy said, his brother's always been involved with his career anyway - for 23 years his brother was the one sitting next to the guy they showed on tv and the only thing that's changed now is that his brother is the one they're showing on tv. That's how Andy put it and it makes sense.

I think ultimately overall, the coach depends on the player and what he needs and where he's at in his career. You have a guy like James who had clear weaknesses in his game 2 years ago and people cried out for him to dump the coach that he'd had his whole career or he'd never reach the next level.. well we all know how that turned out, James laughed in everyone's face, kept Brian on board and he'll be #9 next week. You have Andy who's searching and maybe making more frequent changes are what he needs right now - hard to know. With the coach/brother stuff, it depends on the relationships they have I guess. Everyone seems to say that Andy's brother often tells him what others won't, or that he listens more to his brother than to others, so maybe they have a relatiionship that can translate. Our commentators said that Davydenko's brother has coached him his whole career - that's obviously working right now, so it just depends i guess. Some guys need to have a new voice in their ear every once in a while and some need that static person always around them. :)

cobalt60
03-19-2006, 11:17 PM
Andy has the tools and not the confidence. That's what a loved one can do for you. Bump up one's self esteem and deal with you honestly. It might take some time though and that's ok. Andy did well for 2 matches at IW and that should be taken at face value.

Action Jackson
03-20-2006, 01:53 AM
Whoa the thread was bumped again? Thanks for this article GW- interesting read. Although I think De La Pena is a good coach and has had success with Gonzalez; I also note that he isn't shy about mouthing off. Seems to get him into trouble. Wonder what the response will be? If you see anything will you post it? Thanks.

It doesn't matter about De La Peña's personality really and as to whether he shoots his mouth or not. I mean he is not like Brad Gilbert where he wants to be more noticed than the player.

He has an interesting reputation in Argentina and he is outspoken for sure, but in this case what he says is fairly logical. Though not all of relationships are going to work and that's like with anything. I mean after 2 first round losses, the coach could be gone.

It's not like it's only South Americans. Malisse has had 11 coaches and Safin has had a lot as well, though in Marat's case he had good ones in Chesnokov, Volkov and Wilander before Lundgren. As long as Tiriac is far away from as possible, then it will be good.

Gaudio has been settled for a while with Davin and Nalle was with Infantino for quite some time. The thing is a lot of these players don't want to take responsibility for their own performances, so the coach in many instances is an easy scapegoat.

*Ljubica*
03-20-2006, 05:19 AM
Our commentators said something very interesting earlier this tourney - that Andy can't blame the coach now b/c the coach is his brother. I think that's something that can help Andy - I think very arguably what Andy needs right now is someone who can give him the mental/emotional support and he needs to take the responsibility for his form.

Rosie, they're extremely close and his brother does run an academy for top juniors in Texas.. so it's a bit different of a situation from some other coach/brother relationships because his brother really does know tennis above and beyond what he's done with Andy. And as Andy said, his brother's always been involved with his career anyway - for 23 years his brother was the one sitting next to the guy they showed on tv and the only thing that's changed now is that his brother is the one they're showing on tv. That's how Andy put it and it makes sense.

I think ultimately overall, the coach depends on the player and what he needs and where he's at in his career. You have a guy like James who had clear weaknesses in his game 2 years ago and people cried out for him to dump the coach that he'd had his whole career or he'd never reach the next level.. well we all know how that turned out, James laughed in everyone's face, kept Brian on board and he'll be #9 next week. You have Andy who's searching and maybe making more frequent changes are what he needs right now - hard to know. With the coach/brother stuff, it depends on the relationships they have I guess. Everyone seems to say that Andy's brother often tells him what others won't, or that he listens more to his brother than to others, so maybe they have a relatiionship that can translate. Our commentators said that Davydenko's brother has coached him his whole career - that's obviously working right now, so it just depends i guess. Some guys need to have a new voice in their ear every once in a while and some need that static person always around them. :)
Thanks for the info Deb :hug: Btw - completely off-topic..............I have been trying to Rep you for a few days now because I really love your avatar, but the damned system won't let me - so please consider yourself "Repped" - the daffodils are really beautiful and remind me of Spring and sunshine :)

cobalt60
03-20-2006, 12:00 PM
Thanks for the info Deb :hug: Btw - completely off-topic..............I have been trying to Rep you for a few days now because I really love your avatar, but the damned system won't let me - so please consider yourself "Repped" - the daffodils are really beautiful and remind me of Spring and sunshine :)
And more off topic Rosie- They are the symbol in April of the American Cancer Society for the very reasons you quoted:) Daffodil Days the ACS calls it. On that day we give them to the patients in my office.

GW- I don't think De La Pena is as much of a hog the limelight kind of guy as Brad Gilbert was, but from what I have seen and read he comes close;) It isn't important though as far as his coaching. And he and his star pupil have a lot in common or they might not have lasted this far.

*Ljubica*
03-20-2006, 12:03 PM
And more off topic Rosie- They are the symbol in April of the American Cancer Society for the very reasons you quoted:) Daffodil Days the ACS calls it. On that day we give them to the patients in my office.

GW- I don't think De La Pena is as much of a hog the limelight kind of guy as Brad Gilbert was, but from what I have seen and read he comes close;) It isn't important though as far as his coaching. And he and his star pupil have a lot in common or they might not have lasted this far.
They are also the symbol for the Cancer Relief Society in England and we have Daffodil Day here too :) I also have loads in my garden! Anyway - that was very off-topic and I am coming to the end of my lunchbreak so must log off here and go back to work now :devil:

cobalt60
03-20-2006, 12:04 PM
They are also the symbol for the Cancer Relief Society in England and we have Daffodil Day here too :) I also have loads in my garden! Anyway - that was very off-topic and I am coming to the end of my lunchbreak so must log off here and go back to work now :devil:
:hug:

MariaV
03-20-2006, 12:15 PM
Our commentators said that Davydenko's brother has coached him his whole career - that's obviously working right now, so it just depends i guess. Some guys need to have a new voice in their ear every once in a while and some need that static person always around them. :)
:yeah: Your commentators were right about Kolya and Edik, Kolya's even said that as his brother's been his only coach he could never imagine someone else coaching him. Edik is pushing him alright and Kolya's game's developed nicely in the last years so... :D It's nice to see Kolya finally getting some attention worldwide. He's far from the 'boring' player (i.e. baseliner) he was a couple of years ago.

But as they say - different strokes for different folks I guess.

shotgun
03-27-2006, 01:05 PM
Nalbandian not working with Mastelli anymore.

http://www.ole.clarin.com/jsp/v4/pagina.jsp?pagId=1165920

KEY BISCAYNE
No hay charla técnica

David decidió no continuar con su entrenador, Francisco Mastelli.


En medio de la alegría por la victoria y el apuro por seguir a River ante Boca, David Nalbandian sorprendió al anunciar que terminó la relación con su entrenador, Francisco Mastelli, también técnico del peruano Luis Horna. "Con Pancho habíamos arreglado hasta acá. De ahora en más, vamos a ver", le dijo Nalbandian a DPA. Mastelli estuvo en el banco en el triunfo del unquillense sobre el estadounidense Paul Goldstein, el viernes, y ayer ya no se encontraba junto al preparador físico Luis Barrionuevo, ex de Las Leonas, quien permanece con el cordobés. "Cuando Lucho perdió yo hablé con Pancho y no hubo ningún problema (en terminar la relación)", aseguró Nalbandian. El año pasado, meses después de cortar con Eduardo Infantino, el unquillense jugó el Masters de Shanghai sin entrenador y terminó ganándole la final a Federer.

*Ljubica*
03-27-2006, 01:17 PM
Nalbandian not working with Mastelli anymore.

http://www.ole.clarin.com/jsp/v4/pagina.jsp?pagId=1165920
Well that one lasted all of 3 months :rolleyes:

cobalt60
03-27-2006, 01:31 PM
Wow another quick coaching change? This just doesn't seem to be in anyone's best interest.

*Ljubica*
03-27-2006, 01:36 PM
Wow another quick coaching change? This just doesn't seem to be in anyone's best interest.
Absolutely. What is the point in having a coach if you're not prepared to listen to them and take their advice? Might as well take your brother and your best mate along for the ride - ooops- David N. is already doing that :devil:

Action Jackson
03-28-2006, 02:36 AM
Mastelli has been in this game for a long time and looks like big Dave had enough of the arrangement already which seems a bit strange.

cobalt60
04-28-2006, 10:57 PM
Well here is a coaching change in a pair that lasted longer than most- Gonzalez has officially severed the knot with De La Pena. De La Pena will keep busy with his other players and school but it will be interesting to see who Fernando chooses.

Gulliver
04-28-2006, 11:42 PM
So who's currently without an official coach now? We've just heard about Gonzalez, Murray ditched his, any others?

Action Jackson
05-31-2006, 08:26 AM
Gonzalez is with Stefanki.
Cañas is working with Gaston Etlis
Zabaleta is know with Mariano Hood when he comes back.

cobalt60
08-07-2006, 07:52 PM
Bump*
Roddick with Connors (old)
Murray with Gilbert :tape: (old)
Gonzalez is with Stafanki ( old news but good news)
And his old coach De La Pena :tape: is with Coria ( at least in rumors)

The pendulum continues;)

Action Jackson
08-08-2006, 07:21 AM
Well it will be interesting since De La Peña and Coria have had some good arguments in the past when Horacio was coaching Chucho. I wonder if Gonzo and Gaudio will send their best wishes?

binkygirl
08-08-2006, 07:24 AM
Great thread Sue - of course we'll be kind! :hug: Personally - I agree with your commentators - so many players just seem to blame their coaches when things go wrong instead of being mature and adult enough to blame themselves. It's called shifting responsibility instead of facing up to their own shortcomings - and I hate it :devil: The South Americans are renowned for it - though as others have said it's true that other players do it to - Marat being the obvious example..

Of course, sometimes personalities just do clash and they're better apart - though certainly in the case of the close-knit Argentine tennis community you would think they would know that before hiring someone and then changing their mind after a few months :rolleyes: But - half the time in my opinion it's just because the players aren't grown up enough to see that most of the fault for bad losses is their own - not their coaches! After all-no matter how hard a coach works he can't be out on the court playing a match can he - if a player messes it up, - it is down to him - so why blame someone else!? A lot of fans are bad in that regard too - if their favourite loses it is easy to bame the poor coach and call for his sacking instead of accepting their player is not quite the little :angel: they would like him to be!

Btw - GWH - how could you forget the lovely Gaby Markus in your list of Coria's coaches? Mind you - he only lasted a couple of months so maybe it isn't worth remembering :angel:


Why did Markus get canned? I remember him from his playing days. Cute guy.

cobalt60
08-08-2006, 02:53 PM
Why did Markus get canned? I remember him from his playing days. Cute guy.
Did Markus ever really start? I remember when he left Massu in the spring of 2004 word was that Coria had hired him but I don't think he ever actually traveled to a tournie. And of course he is now back with Massu.

cobalt60
08-08-2006, 02:55 PM
Well it will be interesting since De La Peña and Coria have had some good arguments in the past when Horacio was coaching Chucho. I wonder if Gonzo and Gaudio will send their best wishes?
:lol: I know I thought about that. Gonzo in Madrid I believe :scratch: And Gaudio in ?Hamburg? Forgive me my memory for tennis is lacking( cuz it isn't as important as other stuff in my life;) )
BTW I find it rather ironic that he has accepted coaching the player nicknamed "the weasel". I would use that noun and others to describe De La Pena.

Action Jackson
08-09-2006, 07:07 AM
The funny man Lobo is now coaching Moya, this will be an interesting partnership.

Action Jackson
08-09-2006, 07:10 AM
Did Markus ever really start? I remember when he left Massu in the spring of 2004 word was that Coria had hired him but I don't think he ever actually traveled to a tournie. And of course he is now back with Massu.

This was when the Weasel had the shoulder problem and Markus who had his career stopped by injury problems told Coria that he shouldn't play in Houston, but the weasel didn't listen, so they parted ways.

Action Jackson
08-09-2006, 07:12 AM
:lol: I know I thought about that. Gonzo in Madrid I believe :scratch: And Gaudio in ?Hamburg? Forgive me my memory for tennis is lacking( cuz it isn't as important as other stuff in my life;) )
BTW I find it rather ironic that he has accepted coaching the player nicknamed "the weasel". I would use that noun and others to describe De La Pena.

It wasn't just Madrid, but in Miami with Gonzo and Horacio was making fun of him and already celebrated that they were in the next round and Coria won. Well Horacio coached Gaudio as well at one point, so that is why Gaston and Gonzo should send best wishes cards.

Action Jackson
09-19-2006, 11:32 PM
It seems the dance of the South American coaches continues.

De la Peña and Coria aren't together any more, then again I am surprised it lasted as long as it did.

Action Jackson
09-19-2006, 11:33 PM
Moya is now working with Lobo.

cobalt60
09-19-2006, 11:38 PM
It seems the dance of the South American coaches continues.

De la Peña and Coria aren't together any more, then again I am surprised it lasted as long as it did.
Yep I am not surprised either. :p Wonder who will take on De La "male anatomy part" here. ( and I did not give him this nickname :tape: )

Action Jackson
09-19-2006, 11:55 PM
Yep I am not surprised either. :p Wonder who will take on De La "male anatomy part" here. ( and I did not give him this nickname :tape: )

Cañas.

cobalt60
09-20-2006, 12:10 AM
Cañas.
Not surprised that he has the nickname but somewhat surprised that another Argentine player would have given it to him. Ok I take that back. Not surprised at all. :lol:

Hendu
09-20-2006, 04:35 AM
Moya is now working with Lobo.

Didn't know that!

Thats going to be a never ending party... If you know what I mean. :angel:

Hendu
09-20-2006, 12:40 PM
Coria:

Luza, Monachesi, Davin, Mancini, Blengino, Markus, Perlas, Higueras and De la Peña.

Truc
09-22-2006, 11:46 AM
Monfils (who was working with Champion) will now work with Pier Gauthier, at least for the rest of the season.
Gauthier was the coach of Grosjean in 2001.

Grosjean also split with his coach (Brad Stine) one week ago, but he hasn't announced the name of his new coach yet.

Action Jackson
09-22-2006, 11:49 AM
Didn't know that!

Thats going to be a never ending party... If you know what I mean. :angel:

Lobo is a funny guy and Moya has had good results with Lobo so far and hope they continue.

disturb3d
09-22-2006, 12:08 PM
They have every right to lay the blame on their coach. After all, they've been under the guidance of one their entire sporting life.

Tis important for a player to compete coachless for a portion of their productive years, to gain confidence in their own judgement, therefore becoming a better player.

cobalt60
10-04-2006, 01:41 PM
http://www.sportsmediainc.net/tennisweek/index.cfm?func=showarticle&newsid=16033&bannerregion=

Guga has reunited with Passos

pistolmarat
10-04-2006, 02:33 PM
Guga haven't given up yet - those are great news:yeah:

Truc
10-06-2006, 12:56 PM
Monfils (who was working with Champion) will now work with Pier Gauthier, at least for the rest of the season.
Gauthier was the coach of Grosjean in 2001.

Grosjean also split with his coach (Brad Stine) one week ago, but he hasn't announced the name of his new coach yet.+ Paul-Henri Mathieu isn't working with Tulasne anymore.

Action Jackson
11-02-2006, 07:22 AM
In the Djokovic match, the man Thierry Champion was sitting in Paul-Henri Mathieu's section and maybe he has taken over coaching him or just working with him for this event.

silverwhite
11-02-2006, 07:24 AM
Champion called Paulo up and offered to work with him just for Bercy. :p

vincayou
11-02-2006, 07:24 AM
In the Djokovic match, the man Thierry Champion was sitting in Paul-Henri Mathieu's section and maybe he has taken over coaching him or just working with him for this event.

Just for the event. He has been his coach during 3 years I think (until the famous davis cup match approximatively)

Action Jackson
11-02-2006, 07:26 AM
Champion called Paulo up and offered to work with him just for Bercy. :p

Thanks for that, I wasn't sure either way and good to get fast answers to questions.

Well I wonder who will coach Paulo in the new year unless he decides not to bother with a coach.

silverwhite
11-02-2006, 07:27 AM
I'd like to see Pink Panther work with Paulo :devil:

Action Jackson
11-02-2006, 07:29 AM
No such thing as enough Pink Panther appreciation, though I think he is busy with Gasquet at the moment.

It will be interesting to see who he will travel with in Australia.

silverwhite
11-02-2006, 07:36 AM
Actually, hasn't the Pink Panther coached PHM before? :scratch:

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7143/515329290np.jpg

Action Jackson
11-02-2006, 07:37 AM
Actually, hasn't the Pink Panther coached PHM before? :scratch:

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7143/515329290np.jpg

Guy is thinking about making love to Clement in that photo.

silverwhite
11-02-2006, 07:39 AM
:spit:

But the point was to spot the Pink Panther. :lol:

Action Jackson
11-02-2006, 07:43 AM
I see Panther lurking in the background and I think he has coached Paulo as well.

Action Jackson
11-09-2006, 07:16 AM
Big Hernan Gumy the multilingual Argentine will be coaching Calleri from now on.

http://www.geocities.com/futbolistas3/gummy/hernan_gumy_03.jpg

RogiFan88
11-09-2006, 02:41 PM
Really, George? I'll look out for him next tourney I go to then. ;)

*Ljubica*
11-21-2006, 01:18 PM
Really, George? I'll look out for him next tourney I go to then. ;)

Then you may have to look out for Coria as well :eek: As Gumy is now also working with him http://www.lanacion.com.ar/deportiva/nota.asp?nota_id=860722

Action Jackson
11-28-2006, 09:14 AM
Calleri is looking for another coach, he is up there with Malisse for changing coaches and I think Malisse is with Felgate again.

Thanks to deivid for this info that Verdasco is looking for a new coach.

Truc
11-28-2006, 09:32 AM
It's not new, but since I mentioned last time that Grosjean had fired his American coach Brad Stine:
He will now work together with Clément's brother Bruno (= they will share the same coach with Arnaud).

RogiFan88
11-28-2006, 05:59 PM
Then you may have to look out for Coria as well :eek: As Gumy is now also working with him http://www.lanacion.com.ar/deportiva/nota.asp?nota_id=860722

Yeah, I just found that out, Rosie. How many coaches now for Guille? I've lost track...

Truc
11-28-2006, 06:13 PM
Luza, Monachesi, Davin, Mancini, Blengino, Markus, Perlas, Higueras, De la Peña and now Gumy. 10, unless I forgot somebody.
It's his 4th coach in 2006. His new personal record.

Action Jackson
11-29-2006, 02:41 AM
Luza, Monachesi, Davin, Mancini, Blengino, Markus, Perlas, Higueras, De la Peña and now Gumy. 10, unless I forgot somebody.
It's his 4th coach in 2006. His new personal record.

How many coaches will he have had at the end of 2007?

Action Jackson
12-20-2006, 08:27 AM
Chubby Chela is now working with Monachesi. Robredo and Vilaro aren't together any more and he is working with one of the Clavet clan.

RogiFan88
12-20-2006, 05:24 PM
What I w like to know is who will Verdasco be working w now that Robredo has his former coach, Pepo C?

Action Jackson
12-21-2006, 03:39 PM
Calleri is now onto his 100th coach and it's Andres Schneiter the German-Argentine former doubles specialist.

cobalt60
12-21-2006, 03:44 PM
Thanks GWH. You are such a wealth of information.

*Ljubica*
01-22-2007, 08:13 PM
Fat Dahveed Nalbandian will now be working with former Spanish player Carlos Costa.

Action Jackson
02-01-2007, 02:34 PM
Rugged Ronnie Leitgeb is working with Oli Marach, the former coach of Muster.

Hendu
02-01-2007, 02:59 PM
Fat Dahveed Nalbandian will now be working with former Spanish player Carlos Costa.

I really don't see Carlos Costa significantly changing the road David has walked until now.

I mean...

http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/8282/2001620682394123455_rs.jpg

2moretogo
02-01-2007, 04:22 PM
I really don't see Carlos Costa significantly changing the road David has walked until now.

I mean...

http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/8282/2001620682394123455_rs.jpg


Where the hell? What the hell?

The pelvic thrust is just all sorts of wrong. And is that a polka-dot thong! Dead.

And why is he playing with his nipple? Was he getting paid for this? Somebody call IMG World- stat.

*Ljubica*
02-01-2007, 08:02 PM
:haha: Oh my! Carlos Costa is hot though!!! Though I agree not in that photo!!!

Action Jackson
02-02-2007, 03:14 AM
I really don't see Carlos Costa significantly changing the road David has walked until now.

I mean...

http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/8282/2001620682394123455_rs.jpg

Vamos Carlos Costa, that is just too good.

Action Jackson
02-18-2007, 07:53 PM
Thierry Tulasne is now working with Gilles Simon and it's already been successful.

delsa
02-18-2007, 07:58 PM
He's good at bringing players with a low morale back on track... But after... :tape:

PHM had also just started working with him when he came out of nowhere with smokes coming out of his ears in Montréal to beat Roddick in straights and make the semis... But after... :o

Action Jackson
03-18-2007, 03:02 PM
Olivier Delatire coaches Monfils now and sorry for forgetting to update this thread.

Action Jackson
04-15-2007, 06:41 PM
Gaston Gaudio is working with Martin Jaite over the clay season while Davin is at home with his son. Jaite was the coach when Gaston won his 1st 2 titles of his career.

http://www.ole.clarin.com/diario/2007/04/10/fotos/f032ah01.jpg

Action Jackson
04-30-2007, 01:38 PM
Marcos Baghdatis is back with his childhood coach and cool guy Yiannos Hadjigeorgiou.

cobalt60
04-30-2007, 02:59 PM
Marcos Baghdatis is back with his childhood coach and cool guy Yiannos Hadjigeorgiou.

Good. Hope it will shake Marcos up and get him playing well again.

Metis
04-30-2007, 03:54 PM
That's interesting news! Has he moved back to Cyprus too? Living with his family again might give him some much needed support too.

And he won his first match in Munich today. :yeah:

Merton
04-30-2007, 03:58 PM
Hopefully the change will jolt Marcos positively, it is high time to get more serious about his tennis, if he feels like doing it.

Action Jackson
04-30-2007, 07:49 PM
That's interesting news! Has he moved back to Cyprus too? Living with his family again might give him some much needed support too.

And he won his first match in Munich today. :yeah:

Yes, it seems he has moved back to Cyprus as Yiannos won't be moving to France.

binkygirl
04-30-2007, 08:24 PM
Fat Dahveed Nalbandian will now be working with former Spanish player Carlos Costa.

So Carlos isn't Rafa's agent anymore?

Metis
04-30-2007, 08:41 PM
Yes, it seems he has moved back to Cyprus as Yiannos won't be moving to France.

Thanks for the info. This could be a good move. As long as his mom doesn't want to feed him all the time, as Greek (and I guess Cypriot) mothers tend to do. :lol:

Kalliopeia
04-30-2007, 09:21 PM
I hope the change does Marcos some good. It's kind of painful to see him struggling in matches he should be winning. :(

Action Jackson
07-13-2007, 11:01 AM
Martin Jaite is coaching Nalbandian now.

Action Jackson
07-13-2007, 11:01 AM
Hopefully the change will jolt Marcos positively, it is high time to get more serious about his tennis, if he feels like doing it.

Seems to have worked so far.

Action Jackson
08-07-2007, 05:04 PM
Massu has sacked Markus and Ginepri is working with Higueras.

NicoFan
08-07-2007, 05:28 PM
Shit I wanted Nico with Higueras.

What other good coaches are available???

Action Jackson
12-14-2007, 01:16 AM
Joakim Nystrom is now working with Jurgen Melzer.

Action Jackson
03-18-2008, 07:50 AM
Franco Davin is working with del Potro.

Dean Goldfine is now working with Tommy Haas.

Action Jackson
04-27-2008, 07:59 PM
Jocke Nyström is working with Nieminen over the clay season, same as Corretja is with Andy Murray.

Just like Federer is with Higueras.

cobalt60
04-27-2008, 08:08 PM
Jocke Nyström is working with Nieminen over the clay season, same as Corretja is with Andy Murray.

Just like Federer is with Higueras.

Smart moves :yeah:

Action Jackson
05-04-2008, 10:56 AM
Smart moves :yeah:

Nieminen is struggling at the moment.

Action Jackson
06-03-2008, 08:11 AM
Peter Lundgren is now coaching Marcos Baghdatis.

Fumus
06-03-2008, 12:27 PM
Peter Lundgren is now coaching Marcos Baghdatis.

That's a waste.

Action Jackson
06-03-2008, 12:31 PM
That's a waste.

In what context?

Fumus
06-03-2008, 12:50 PM
In what context?

Marcos isn't committed to tennis, I put him and Gael in the same boat they lack both drive and know how.

Truc
07-18-2008, 05:56 AM
Monfils will now be coached by Rasheed.

cobalt60
07-18-2008, 12:09 PM
Monfils will now be coached by Rasheed.

Ooh I think this will be a good choice :yeah:

oranges
07-18-2008, 01:20 PM
Marcos isn't committed to tennis, I put him and Gael in the same boat they lack both drive and know how.

The same could be said for Safin back in the time and the cooperation with Lundgren resulted in AO 05 title, so good for Marcos.

Fumus
07-18-2008, 04:49 PM
The same could be said for Safin back in the time and the cooperation with Lundgren resulted in AO 05 title, so good for Marcos.

Marcos doesn't have Safin talent...for that matter no one does.

oranges
07-18-2008, 05:44 PM
Marcos doesn't have Safin talent...for that matter no one does.

Probably, but I like Marcos and its good news to see him work with someone that might bring the best out of him. Lundgren certainly seems to have a knack for it.

Fumus
07-21-2008, 02:35 PM
Probably, but I like Marcos and its good news to see him work with someone that might bring the best out of him. Lundgren certainly seems to have a knack for it.

If it doesn't workout I know they both enjoy a good pizza. ;)

oranges
07-21-2008, 04:19 PM
If it doesn't workout I know they both enjoy a good pizza. ;)

:lol: Here's to hoping they do both. In any case, nothing to see until after Toronto :sad:

tangerine_dream
08-05-2008, 08:10 PM
So the Nadal Era commences on Aug. 18, 2008. I'm looking forward to seeing what the baby balls have in store for us. :dance:

Action Jackson
08-05-2008, 08:12 PM
This is about the coaching carousel Tangy.

tangerine_dream
08-05-2008, 08:14 PM
This is about the coaching carousel Tangy.
Tsk! I was wondering why you guys were going off topic talking about coaches when Nadal's impending coronation is far more important. :angel:

Action Jackson
08-05-2008, 08:15 PM
:lol: Here's to hoping they do both. In any case, nothing to see until after Toronto :sad:

The way Marcos is, he might be lucky if he plays at the US Open, this does depend on how his wrist injury is.

oranges
08-05-2008, 08:40 PM
The way Marcos is, he might be lucky if he plays at the US Open, this does depend on how his wrist injury is.

Care to elaborate if there is some specific info, or you mean just the general attitude?

Action Jackson
08-05-2008, 08:42 PM
Care to elaborate if there is some specific info, or you mean just the general attitude?

He has a wrist problem, that's all I know.

cobalt60
08-06-2008, 01:07 AM
Tsk! I was wondering why you guys were going off topic talking about coaches when Nadal's impending coronation is far more important. :angel:

Obviously you did not read my starting post :p

Truc
08-31-2008, 12:48 PM
Wilander isn't coaching PHM anymore, PHM will work with Hagelauer until they find another arrangement in the Team Lagardère.
http://www.sports.fr/cmc/scanner/tennis/200835/wilander-mathieu-c-est-fini_194588.html?popup

*Viva Chile*
08-31-2008, 03:51 PM
Monaco isn't more with Mastelli since two days before the US Open.

Action Jackson
09-01-2008, 05:03 AM
Grant Doyle is working with Querrey.

Action Jackson
11-01-2008, 09:08 AM
Berdych has sacked the great mullet Jaro Navratil and will now share Tomas Krupa as a coach with Stepanek.

JolánGagó
11-01-2008, 09:18 AM
Berdych has sacked the great mullet Jaro Navratil and will now share Tomas Krupa as a coach with Stepanek.

He might actually do better if he sacks himself :rolleyes:

Truc
11-19-2008, 06:53 AM
Lundgren & Baghdatis is over, Baggy joined the Team Lagardère and will now be coached by Olivier Soulès there.

PHM's new coach is Loïc Courteau, the former coach of Amélie Mauresmo.

Benneteau is now working with Champion.

krystlel
11-19-2008, 07:00 AM
Lundgren & Baghdatis is over, Baggy joined the Team Lagardère and will now be coached by Olivier Soulès there.
That's really disappointing. That didn't last long at all, not to mention that Baghdatis wasn't able to play for the majority of that period as well.

Action Jackson
12-07-2008, 09:26 AM
Gaby Markus is going to work with Acasuso.

cobalt60
12-07-2008, 07:07 PM
Gaby Markus is going to work with Acasuso.

Wow good for Acasuso :yeah: Always have liked Gaby.

Allez
12-08-2008, 07:35 PM
Why did it take so long for Tomas to smell the coffee ? His ranking now is going to zoom up the charts!

Action Jackson
12-15-2008, 12:46 AM
Alejandro Lombardo who coaches Sergio Roitman will also be working with Gaston Gaudio.

Action Jackson
02-08-2009, 05:19 AM
Not sure, if it was updated, but in Australia Fernando Gonzalez was working with former Argentine player Martin Rodriguez.

Action Jackson
03-11-2009, 12:48 PM
The Gooch is working with former Aussie top 10 player Peter McNamara.

Nalbandian is working with Lobo now.

habibko
03-11-2009, 12:52 PM
you forgot to mention Federer working with Darren Cahill right now.

Action Jackson
03-11-2009, 01:02 PM
Federer well he has enough promo on GM.

tangerine_dream
04-09-2009, 06:39 PM
From Tennis.com:

The Change He Needs
(I would link to the original source of this item, but it’s a story written in Latvian.) According to the fan site “The Importance of Being Ernests,” Gulbis has parted with his coach, Karl-Heinz Wetter. I say, Amen, brother! It’s about time the baby-faced 20-year-old made a change. His record so far this season is 7-9, and from late 2008 through early this year, he lost 10 consecutive second-round matches. Ouch. Now, it seems, the Latvian young gun is losing in the first round (twice in his last three tournaments), yet somehow he is still managing to stay in the Top 50.

Getta
05-23-2009, 11:49 AM
From Marcos' official site:
http://www.baghdatis.com/articles/view/new-coach-for-marcos

New Coach For Marcos

On the eve of Roland Garros, Marcos has begun a new partnership with coach, Eduardo Infantino.

Marcos, who has been training with former professionals Franco Squillari and Younes El Aynaoui in the past couple of weeks, will play his first tournament with Infantino at the French Open.

Infantino has previously worked with former World No. 3 David Nalbandian, who reached the Wimbledon final in 2002, and current World No. 5 Juan Martin del Potro – who had a breakthrough season in 2008 by winning four ATP World Tour titles.

Marcos’ first match under Infantino’s tutelage will be against Juan Monaco in the first round of the French Open.

Action Jackson
05-23-2009, 12:13 PM
Infantino also worked with Gaudio, should be an interesting partnership, though Marcos has had a lot of coaches.

Getta
05-24-2009, 05:16 AM
It sounds at least promising. :)

http://ar.news.yahoo.com/s/23052009/40/n-sports-argentino-infantino-nuevo-entrenador-baghdatis.html

According to this article, Marcos is moving to Italy. He will receive training at the campus of Italian Tennis Federation in Pisa.

Action Jackson
08-17-2009, 02:21 PM
Goodall mentioned during the TV commentary that Todd Martin could be working with Djokovic.

Henry Chinaski
08-17-2009, 02:35 PM
interesting one.

this is a good thread for those that can't be arsed checking player forums. keep up with the updates folks.

I can't really understand the mindset of some players staying with coaches for ridiculously long periods when they see the dramatic changes that a change of coach can have for some players. Norman and Soderking, Stefanki and his last 2 players for example.
Youzhny and Blake spring to mind. People might say they're just loyal but it also shows some sort of mental weakness, a kind of child-like psychological dependence or something. How could they not at least be curious as to how they'd fare in completely different circumstances?

Not that it's always beneficial. I'm sure a lot of people would've said berdych just needed a change. hasn't exactly been working out too well.

Baggy seems to be getting around lately.

Action Jackson
08-17-2009, 02:56 PM
Henry, it all depends on the individual and the coach as well. Schuettler is still working with Dirk Hordoff and I don't think any other coach would have got more out of Schuettler during his career.

The coach can only do so much, if the player doesn't want to listen or prepared to change their ways, when it doesn't work. There has to be good communication between the coach/player considering how much time they spend with each other.

fast_clay
08-17-2009, 03:00 PM
interesting one.

this is a good thread for those that can't be arsed checking player forums. keep up with the updates folks.

I can't really understand the mindset of some players staying with coaches for ridiculously long periods when they see the dramatic changes that a change of coach can have for some players. Norman and Soderking, Stefanki and his last 2 players for example.
Youzhny and Blake spring to mind. People might say they're just loyal but it also shows some sort of mental weakness, a kind of child-like psychological dependence or something. How could they not at least be curious as to how they'd fare in completely different circumstances?

Not that it's always beneficial. I'm sure a lot of people would've said berdych just needed a change. hasn't exactly been working out too well.

Baggy seems to be getting around lately.

yeah it depends...

sometimes, the time built up with a coach can be irreplaceable... the coach knows the ins and outs of a players game, especially when the coach has been instrumental in the development of a player...

but once a player hops on that coach merry-go-round, yeah, then hiring a guy like stefanki, who is the master at stripping back all the bullsh!t and simplifying everything that may have clouded the players head and game from successive stints with coaches, is gonna pay dividends...

like brad gilbert said, 'all coaches have a use-by date.' for much of the time, it is true... where it isnt is when the combination works not just on a personal level, and not just a professional one as well...

l_mac
08-17-2009, 03:19 PM
Goodall mentioned during the TV commentary that Todd Martin could be working with Djokovic.

Full time? Or just this US swing?

Henry Chinaski
08-17-2009, 03:41 PM
yeah, obviously depends on the individual relationship but you have to wonder about someone like Youzhny whose career seems to be in free-fall. With old Boris since he's 8 apparently.

What's the deal with Corretja/Murray now? Obviously more than just a clay-court swing thing at the moment...

Action Jackson
08-17-2009, 04:44 PM
yeah, obviously depends on the individual relationship but you have to wonder about someone like Youzhny whose career seems to be in free-fall. With old Boris since he's 8 apparently.

What's the deal with Corretja/Murray now? Obviously more than just a clay-court swing thing at the moment...

Yes, Boris has been Youzhny's coach since then, at the same time it took Youzhny a while to come through, before he had those big results. I actually couldn't imagine him working with anyone else but Boris.

It's like Seppi, he could benefit from having someone who could help him with his serve, because that 2nd serve is really fucking him up and stopping the progress. But he has been with Sartori since he was 10 and his wife is his physical trainer, so that would be quite a big change.

They said Corretja will be doing some more events besides the clay, maybe just the big ones.

Linda, he didn't say anything clearly about it, just that the rumour was Todd Martin is going to work with Djokovic.

Machiavelli
08-17-2009, 04:46 PM
interesting one.

this is a good thread for those that can't be arsed checking player forums. keep up with the updates folks.

I can't really understand the mindset of some players staying with coaches for ridiculously long periods when they see the dramatic changes that a change of coach can have for some players. Norman and Soderking, Stefanki and his last 2 players for example.
Youzhny and Blake spring to mind. People might say they're just loyal but it also shows some sort of mental weakness, a kind of child-like psychological dependence or something. How could they not at least be curious as to how they'd fare in completely different circumstances?

Not that it's always beneficial. I'm sure a lot of people would've said berdych just needed a change. hasn't exactly been working out too well.

Baggy seems to be getting around lately.
Ivan Ljubicic and Ricardo Piatti, from start to finish together, they are family now, he is his bestman and godfather to his son Leo, excellent team

Radalek
08-17-2009, 05:01 PM
Full time? Or just this US swing?

It's full time. Vajda is still in a role of "main" coach but Martin is there to stay.

Johnny Ice
09-18-2009, 04:15 PM
is Gumy a masochist or something?

well, Safin must have been the orchestrator of this since he and Gulbis have been paling around all summer

Kitty de Sade
09-18-2009, 04:17 PM
Gulbis isn't a clown- he has a lot of talent that just needs to be reigned in.

NyGeL
09-18-2009, 04:27 PM
I don't find Gumy as a good coach, but Gulbis is very talented.

SetSampras
09-18-2009, 05:03 PM
Except unlike Safin, Gulbis will probably never win a slam.. Much less 2 like Safin, much less against two of the greatest players to ever step foot on a tennis court like Pete and Roger.

Safin had the potential to be one of the best of all time, at the very least the best hardcourt player of all time.. Gulbis doesnt have the potential to do this

Johnny Ice
09-18-2009, 05:31 PM
Safin had the potential to be one of the best of all time, at the very least the best hardcourt player of all time.. Gulbis doesnt have the potential to do this

are you Nostradamus?

or are you just a moron who doesnt watch tennis?

oranges
09-18-2009, 05:31 PM
You talk as if he's coaching Robredo. Believe it or not, some people appreciate the challenge of bringing talent to fruition.

krystlel
09-18-2009, 05:33 PM
It probably shouldn't be too hard to achieve some quick success the way Gulbis is going now. :lol:

fsoica
09-18-2009, 05:37 PM
who's Gumy ?

SheepleBuster
09-18-2009, 05:37 PM
Ernest Gulbis has a better future in hollywood than on a tennis court. He can play the rule of a latvian resistance leader in Valkerie 2 with Tom cruise.

SetSampras
09-18-2009, 06:18 PM
are you Nostradamus?

or are you just a moron who doesnt watch tennis?

I wonder if you even watch tennis. :confused:


To think Gulbis has as much prospect as a young Safin did needs to do their homework

Johnny Ice
09-18-2009, 06:20 PM
I wonder if you even watch tennis. :confused:


To think Gulbis has as much prospect as a young Safin did needs to do their homework


I've done my homework.

Watch tennis before posting on this forum, please.

SetSampras
09-18-2009, 06:22 PM
I've done my homework.

Watch tennis before posting on this forum, please.


If you have then u would know, very few players have came down the pike in recent year that had the ability and more "upside" than Safin had. He came bursting on the scene at 19-20 years old and not only beat but DISSECTED a GOAT candidate and 29 year old Sampras in the finals of the USO. Then 5 years later took everything a peak Federer had to offer at the AO and still came out win the win.


Whats Gulbis ever done on this level?

Johnny Ice
09-18-2009, 06:27 PM
If you have then u would know, very few players have came down the pike in recent year that had the ability and more "upside" than Safin had.

thanks captain obvious

He came bursting on the scene at 19-20 years old and not only beat but DISSECTED a GOAT candidate and 29 year old Sampras in the finals of the USO.

we dont need a refresher course on one of the most revered matches in tennis history:wavey:

Then 5 years later took everything a peak Federer had to offer at the AO and still came out win the win.

5 years is a lifetime. It was pretty obvious by that point that Safin was never going to live up to his potential.


Whats Gulbis ever done on this level?

he's done nothing. Zero. He stinks. I dislike Gulbis just as much as everyone else on this forum. But I thought we were talking about POTENTIAL, not PAST RESULTS.

A hippopotamus is smart enough to figure out that Gulbis has just about as much potential as anyone else in the game right now.

Will he ever put it together? I certainly doubt it. But whether or not he does is irrelevant to this discussion.

oranges
09-18-2009, 06:31 PM
If you can be bothered to abandon the superior, know-it-all attitude for a moment, may I ask again why are you surprised that someone would take up the task of coaching someone who you admit has great potential?

SetSampras
09-18-2009, 06:31 PM
I agree.. Safin didnt live up to his FULL Potential, alot of it his own doing, but lets no forget he suffered injuries during his career as well

SetSampras
09-18-2009, 06:32 PM
If you can be bothered to abandon the superior, know-it-all attitude for a moment, may I ask again why are you surprised that someone would take up the task of coaching someone who you admit has great potential?



There are players out there with more potential than Gulbis is all

Johnny Ice
09-18-2009, 06:35 PM
If you can be bothered to abandon the superior, know-it-all attitude for a moment, may I ask again why are you surprised that someone would take up the task of coaching someone who you admit has great potential?

why would anyone be surprised?

Gumy has no credentials as a coach. It's not like he was about to get hired by Federer.

oranges
09-18-2009, 06:36 PM
There are players out there with more potential than Gulbis is all

Not really, besides those that qualify have coaches already

oranges
09-18-2009, 06:38 PM
why would anyone be surprised?

Gumy has no credentials as a coach. It's not like he was about to get hired by Federer.

Are you drunk? You're surprised in your OP and you're contradicting yourself the more the more you go.

ballbasher101
09-18-2009, 06:46 PM
The ony way for Gulbis is up, surely he can't get worse. At the moment Gulbis is truly down among the dead man.

Jorbaty
01-22-2010, 06:14 PM
He will start working with Gabriel Markus, former coach of Nalbandian, Massu and Coria.

Source
http://www.fuebuena.com.ar/?p=7199

Certinfy
01-22-2010, 06:14 PM
Interesting, doubt it will stop him choking tho :)

dombrfc
01-22-2010, 06:27 PM
Good news I guess.

Collective
01-22-2010, 06:59 PM
He needs a shrink

timafi
01-22-2010, 07:01 PM
vamos Richard:yeah:

now Roger has to hire a good coach too:angel:

scoobs
01-22-2010, 07:08 PM
Another one?

Cloudygirl
01-22-2010, 07:19 PM
Another one?

he was only working with his old coach as an interim thing.

Jōris
01-22-2010, 09:05 PM
Too late.

Mungo
01-23-2010, 12:50 AM
Interesting, doubt it will stop him choking tho :)

Yeah nothing will change until he hires a new brain.

coonster14
01-23-2010, 01:00 AM
as much as i love watching gasquet play, he is just a mental midget, he needs a new brain.

he always chokes, choked against murray at wimbledon 2008, against gonzo at aus open 2009, and now against youzhny at this year's aus open, sigh sigh sigh...and all these three matches, either he was serving for the match or had match points.

hope he wins something major, all that talent but no mental strength to back it up.

Ivanatis
01-23-2010, 01:04 AM
Good.

oranges
01-23-2010, 02:46 AM
Some of the people here need a new brain more urgently, or at least a new pair of eyes. Choke against Gonzo? :spit: Seriously? :spit: Even the Youzhny match is no choke, but Gonzo match was epitome of clutch on both sides, but please continue parroting, its highly on topic after all.

Gasquet maniac
01-23-2010, 03:36 AM
A brilliant news for him....Good luck to him for the south american clay court swing............GO RICHIE...

Puschkin
01-23-2010, 03:55 AM
He will start working with Gabriel Markus, former coach of Nalbandian, Massu and Coria.

Is this a serious source? Rumor about it was already out on a French site some days ago.

http://www.rmc.fr/edito/sport/100408/gasquet-avec-un-coach-argentin/

I don't speak Spanish. :o Does it give some details about the arrangement, as according to my kowledge Markus is also coaching otehr players at the moment.

-Valhalla-
01-23-2010, 04:04 AM
He needs a shrink

Another one?

Too late.

Agreed.

Havok
01-23-2010, 04:04 AM
Start playing with some balls please. Enough of this second guessing mid-court shit, it's gonna get him nowhere because he's so mentally weak he can't even push his way to victories.

brithater
01-23-2010, 04:06 AM
I really hope it makes a difference. I actually think he would be better off if he just went it alone for a while. Maybe learn to enjoy the game again. Not everyone is capable of handleing great expectations and Richard has had a huge amount of weight placed on him from an early age. I am a big fan of Richard and just want to see him enjoy the game at this point. If he can do that then we might see him do something big.

Andre♥
01-23-2010, 04:46 AM
It's official according to Portuguese Eurosport.

Markus also used to be a decent claycourter back in the 90's. I think he even won an ATP title or two on clay back in the day.

He is a good coach and a South American coach is what Gasquet needs. The guy really needs to get some "Vamos" attitude if he really wants to become a regular Top 10 player. Time is really running out for him.

Getta
01-23-2010, 05:30 AM
Is this a serious source? Rumor about it was already out on a French site some days ago.

Fue buena is simply the best tennis blog in Argentina.

Markus thinks that Richie is on fast track to become a regular top 20 player again... anyway, he will continue to work with MVA.

it seems like we go through new trends in tennis; Baggy began a new partnership with Nalbandian's and Del Potro's former coach Eduardo Infantino seven months ago.

simplet
01-23-2010, 06:26 AM
Is this a serious source? Rumor about it was already out on a French site some days ago.

http://www.rmc.fr/edito/sport/100408/gasquet-avec-un-coach-argentin/

I don't speak Spanish. :o Does it give some details about the arrangement, as according to my kowledge Markus is also coaching otehr players at the moment.

It seems official, there's even a statement from Gabriel Markus on the site : "This a challenge, at the same time important and encouraging. Richard has been out of activity for some time, but he's started to find his tennis again little by little and he started the year well, making the final in Sydney. I believe he'll be on his way back to the top 20 in the coming weeks."

They also say that he's going to communicate with Richard in french and will keep working with Vassallo Arguello at the same time.

jcempire
01-23-2010, 02:09 PM
Well.... Gas already done something better than last year

fran70
01-23-2010, 02:17 PM
Markus can be really helpful for Gasquet on strategies. But I don`t think he can provide a solution to the troubles that he shows on his confidence . Gasquet reminds me so much to Gaudio...

whattheheck
01-24-2010, 10:55 AM
Working with a coach whose former players were clay court specialists? Wouldn't that just put him further behind the baseline than he already is?

Puschkin
01-24-2010, 11:20 AM
Working with a coach whose former players were clay court specialists?
Nalbandian isn't a clay court specialist!

Getta
01-24-2010, 11:42 AM
the days of players from Argentina being classified as clay-court specialists came to an end long ago.

Nalbandian isn't a clay court specialist!

so here is my point, precisely.

Cloudygirl
01-24-2010, 11:50 AM
He needs to be able to grit out matches, mentally and physically. This should certainly help the physical side.

zagro
01-24-2010, 08:55 PM
Sounds like a good decision to me

ChinoRios4Ever
01-25-2010, 04:40 AM
excellent move by Richie imo

Action Jackson
02-08-2010, 09:01 AM
Javier Duarte the former coach is working with Robredo now.

Serenidad
02-08-2010, 09:02 AM
Why does Robredo keep getting coaches? What are they going to do for him?

Action Jackson
02-08-2010, 09:03 AM
Blake changed his coach, but the game hasn't.

Serenidad
02-08-2010, 09:03 AM
Blake's game is never going to change. That's irrelevant. All a new coach can do is a placebo mental bonus.

avocadoe
02-08-2010, 10:01 AM
What will Goran I's role be with Marin Cilic...part time? Will Bob Britt stay on? Hope so...he and Marin seem to have a lot of good going on.

Machiavelli
02-08-2010, 10:02 AM
What will Goran I's role be with Marin Cilic...part time? Will Bob Britt stay on? Hope so...he and Marin seem to have a lot of good going on.

Bob Brett will remain Marin's main coach, Goran agreed to join Marin at 3-4 tournaments this year , maybe even 6-7; Miami is agreed, and probably the grass court season, we shall see....

cobalt60
02-08-2010, 10:59 AM
:woohoo: for Goran doing parttime with Marin! And I so forgot about this thread :lol:

paseo
02-08-2010, 11:56 AM
Blake's game is never going to change. That's irrelevant. All a new coach can do is a placebo mental bonus.

Blake's game got enough firepower to blast anyone off the court. Mental coaching is exactly what he needs.

Action Jackson
02-08-2010, 12:12 PM
Claudio Pistolesi is working with Berrer and has done an excellent job so far.

Bolelli is now coached by Ciro Ferrara.

Action Jackson
02-11-2010, 11:43 PM
Francisco Clavet working with LaLo.

malisha
02-11-2010, 11:48 PM
good to see Lalo working

Action Jackson
04-29-2010, 03:25 AM
Francisco Fogues is working with Andreev, not working as well as Pistolesi/Berrer.

Eden
06-27-2010, 01:05 PM
Translation from an article:

Wawrinka splits from his coach

Dimitri Zavialoff and Stanislas Wawrinka will go different ways now.

Stanislas Wawrinka is looking for a new coach. Five days after his 1st round loss in Wimbledon against Dennis Istomin Switzerlands #2 and coach Dimitri Zavialoff split.

A long partnerships ends

Wawrinka worked with Zavialoff since he was 8 years old. "I'm grateful for all the hard work which he invested in me. He was responsible that I won the Junios tournament in Roland Garros and 2 ATP titles (Umag 2006 and Casablanca 2010) and managed to reach the Top 10 in the rankings. He played the central role in my career and I'm very grateful for this."

Reason for the split is not known

Reasons for the split during the season weren't named by Wawrinka, but one of it was probably that the 25years old lately stagnated. He didn't managed to return back to the Top 10 in 2009 and after the first half of this season and the 1st round loss in Wimbledon the tendency is not looking promising despite the 2nd tournament victory in April in Marocco. Already one year ago media advised Wawrinka to split from Zavialoff.

It's not known when Stanislas Wawrinka can present his new coach. His next tournaments will be the Masters-1000-Events in Toronto (from 9th August) and Cincinnati (16th August). He is going to miss the Swiss Open in Gstaad this summer for the first time.

German source: http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/sport/motorsport/sporttickerdepartment/urnnewsmlwwwsda-atsch20100626brz034_1.6268242.html

Dimitra
06-27-2010, 01:26 PM
:eek: since 8 years old??wow that's one long partnership!

anyway..I hope it works for the best for Stan :)

thanx for the report Eden :yeah:

ShotmaKer
06-27-2010, 01:50 PM
tough decision for Stan.

Eden
06-27-2010, 06:38 PM
Of course it's not easy to decide to split with your coach when you have been together for so many years. It has to be seen what a new coach can do for Stan, but he is young enough and has many years on the tour ahead of him and so hopefully he made the right decision.

It will be interesting who he is going to work with now.

bluefork
06-27-2010, 07:13 PM
It's always surprising when someone splits with a coach after with whom he's worked for a long, long time, like James Blake did last year. But unlike Blake, Stan is still relatively young, so this switch could pay off.

I hope it works out for him. He's definitely worthy of a top 15 ranking at least.

straitup
06-27-2010, 07:28 PM
It's always surprising when someone splits with a coach after with whom he's worked for a long, long time, like James Blake did last year. But unlike Blake, Stan is still relatively young, so this switch could pay off.

I hope it works out for him. He's definitely worthy of a top 15 ranking at least.

So true...hopefully it's a good move for Stan.

abraxas21
06-27-2010, 07:31 PM
Must have been a tough decision for Stan da man but I'm sure it will work out for the best. There are many things one can learn from a new coach, esp. when you've only been with only one for your whole career.

Certinfy
06-27-2010, 08:34 PM
Damn that's a big decision, hope it all works out for Stan in the end though.

Aaric
06-27-2010, 08:38 PM
It wont work, not in the middle of the season, and he didnt play that bad against Istomin, he almost beat Berdych too
Damn, I´m so fucked up