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Nadal def Ginepri 7-5 7-6(1) to reach Madrid Final

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 01:22 PM
Wow who is this kid? I thought he could only play on clay :shrug:

Congrats Rafa, impressive tournament so far, yet to drop a set.

Fergie
10-22-2005, 01:23 PM
Too many errors Robby :sad:

jenanun
10-22-2005, 01:24 PM
yay! i know he is going to win!

well done rafa! just one more match!!!!

... need to wait till 530pm to watch the highlights....

euroka1
10-22-2005, 01:29 PM
Great stuff. Wish I could have seen the match. It is great to see the young players rising to the top. This guy plays real tennis! :worship:

nobama
10-22-2005, 01:29 PM
Wow who is this kid? I thought he could only play on clay :shrug:.But Madrid's the new clay, right? ;)

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 01:31 PM
But Madrid's the new clay, right? ;)
Indeed.They changed the surface just to suit their new wonderkid.

RonE
10-22-2005, 01:32 PM
Well oinked.. errr played ;)

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 01:34 PM
Well oinked.. errr played ;)
I got this thread in quickly to make sure you didn't have a chance to start a thread with a pig reference :nerner:

mallorn
10-22-2005, 01:36 PM
I got this thread in quickly to make sure you didn't have a chance to start a thread with a pig reference :nerner:
I thought it might have been the case! :D :yeah:
Madrid's on clay and if Nadal wins this we'll be hearing the "Roger was absent," "the field was weak" arguments again. :rolleyes:
Well done Rafa, :bowdown: :yippee: Now go get the title!

jrm
10-22-2005, 01:36 PM
Last week 'injured' and now a final in a biggie? Where can i get that kind of injury :devil:

Clara Bow
10-22-2005, 01:36 PM
Yea for Rafa! Robby played well for a good bit of the match but his wheels came off in the end and he got really frustrated. Nadal did a good job of not getting rattled by Robby's well-thought angles that initially thew him off and got stronger in my mind as the match went on.

Maybe it was because I have a rather nasty hangover from our friend's birthday bash but I thought that the crowd and energy were not as fun today as they were during the Radek/Rafa match yesterday. I thought that yesterday's match was a bit more fun. Regardless, I am continually impressed with how respectful the Madrid fans are in regards to the opponents of Spanish players. Very classy.

Last week 'injured' and now a final in a biggie?

Why injured in quotes? The MRIs show that he did indeed have acute tendonitis and I doubt that Nadal and Uncle Toni would vastly shorten their practice time on a surface where Nadal needs all of the practice time he can get just to put on a show. However, tendonitis is something than can flare up and then go back down so I think that his knee problems are no where near the Marat variety. Nonetheless, he may be feeling better right now but he should indeed at least pull out of Basel.

~EMiLiTA~
10-22-2005, 01:38 PM
what a great result!!! so hope he can win one more match and win the tournament!!! vamos Rafa!! :bounce:

Castafiore
10-22-2005, 01:39 PM
But Madrid's the new clay, right? ;)
Goes without saying actually

Thanks for starting the thread for us, adee-gee! :yeah:

jenanun
10-22-2005, 01:40 PM
i guess people should stop saying nadal can only play on clay
no doubt he is unbeatable in on clay

but winning 2 titles on hardcourt
and final in indoor (possible a title as well) is more than just being lucky

people cant say everytime that the surface (other than clay) nadal wins on is a new clay, blue clay, spainish clay, whatever.... that is just stupid....

give this kid some more credits...

anyway

VAMOS RAFA!

GO AND GET YOUR 11TH TITLE THIS YEAR! YAY!!!!!

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 01:42 PM
i guess people should stop saying nadal can only play on clay
no doubt he is unbeatable in on clay

but winning 2 titles on hardcourt
and final in indoor (possible a title as well) is more than just being lucky

people cant say everytime that the surface (other than clay) nadal wins on is a new clay, blue clay, spainish clay, whatever.... that is just stupid....

give this kid some more credits...

anyway

VAMOS RAFA!

GO AND GET YOUR 11TH TITLE THIS YEAR! YAY!!!!!
:yeah: Couldn't agree more. It's not going to stop though.

propi
10-22-2005, 01:45 PM
Congrats Rafa let's hope you can win it all:worship:
There were some amazing points out there!!!! Pity Robbie lacks a brain, I hope he does better next time.

RonE
10-22-2005, 01:48 PM
I got this thread in quickly to make sure you didn't have a chance to start a thread with a pig reference :nerner:

You can relax, I have no intention of starting every Rafa thread anyway. But occassionally it's good fun ;)

It would be awesome if he won the tournament. I cannot remember a year when two players dominated so heavily winning almost all the required events between them. Even 1995 with Sampras and Agassi didn't come close. Of course there was also Muster in the mix and between the three of them they pretty much won almost everything.

nobama
10-22-2005, 01:51 PM
I thought it might have been the case! :D :yeah:
Madrid's on clay and if Nadal wins this we'll be hearing the "Roger was absent," "the field was weak" arguments again. :rolleyes:
Well done Rafa, :bowdown: :yippee: Now go get the title!Who's saying that? :confused: I only brought up the clay reference as a joke, because during Montreal some Nadal fans kept going on about how everyone would be referring to Montreal as "blue clay" or "the new clay" (which didn't happen). I have yet to hear anyone talk about a weak field or Roger's absense. :shrug:

wowfed
10-22-2005, 01:57 PM
:yeah: Couldn't agree more. It's not going to stop though.
I want to see Rafa play Ljubicic in the final. Ljubicic has been winning titles. But he hasn't played the two consistent players of this year Fed and Rafa while winning any of these titles. Even earlier this year Ljubo made all the way to finals in some of the hardcourt events only to loose to Fed.
Any body know what the h2h between Ljubo and Nadal ? I remember Nadal beating Ljubo at Miami this year.

Galaxystorm
10-22-2005, 01:59 PM
The most impressive of Nadal's perfomance in Madrid is that he has won 3 tie breaks in a row facing two big servers as Hanescu and Stepanek and a very good server as Ginperi ...

According to the tennistic theory he should have lost the 3 TB's because his serve is weak in comparison with his opponents and besides are indoor matches , plus Madrid's altitude..

nobama
10-22-2005, 02:00 PM
i guess people should stop saying nadal can only play on clay
no doubt he is unbeatable in on clay

but winning 2 titles on hardcourt
and final in indoor (possible a title as well) is more than just being lucky

people cant say everytime that the surface (other than clay) nadal wins on is a new clay, blue clay, spainish clay, whatever.... that is just stupid....

give this kid some more credits...

anyway

VAMOS RAFA!

GO AND GET YOUR 11TH TITLE THIS YEAR! YAY!!!!!I can't believe at this time, after all Rafa's accomplished this year there's still this paranoia amongst some of his fans that he's not getting the credit he deserves. During Montreal it was some of Rafa's fans that were joking about it being "blue clay", in anticipation that non-fans would use that argument if he won (which didn't happen). As far as I know no one here has said Rafa is lukcy to be in the finals, or he's only there because the field is weak.

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 02:03 PM
I want to see Rafa play Ljubicic in the final. Ljubicic has been winning titles. But he hasn't played the two consistent players of this year Fed and Rafa while winning any of these titles. Even earlier this year Ljubo made all the way to finals in some of the hardcourt events only to loose to Fed.
Any body know what the h2h between Ljubo and Nadal ? I remember Nadal beating Ljubo at Miami this year.
1-1, both in 2005 on hard. Ljubo won in 3 tight sets in Doha, and Rafa won in 3 tight sets in Miami. It's an interesting match-up for sure, I don't think either of them particularly enjoy playing each other.

Clara Bow
10-22-2005, 02:05 PM
I can't believe at this time, after all Rafa's accomplished this year there's still this paranoia amongst some of his fans that he's not getting the credit he deserves. During Montreal it was some of Rafa's fans that were joking about it being "blue clay", in anticipation that non-fans would use that argument if he won (which didn't happen). As far as I know no one here has said Rafa is lukcy to be in the finals, or he's only there because the field is weak.

But to be fair- I have seen recent posts such stating that Nadal really just wins on clay/is lucky/doesn't win matches just the other players lose them on other forums such as the gawdawful ESPN forums (why do I ever stick my head in there?)

And also- for a good while, Nadal's accomplishments on faster surfaces and frankly on clay were diminished by some people as not being legit if you will. So if some of Nadal's fans are a bit sensitive, I think it is understandable since as of quite recently (and in some spots even currently), Nadal's accomplishments were dismissed by a number of people on a number of forums.

mallorn
10-22-2005, 02:08 PM
Who's saying that? :confused: I only brought up the clay reference as a joke, because during Montreal some Nadal fans kept going on about how everyone would be referring to Montreal as "blue clay" or "the new clay" (which didn't happen). I have yet to hear anyone talk about a weak field or Roger's absense. :shrug:
You misunderstood me :lol:
I got your clay joke ;) and just took it further - I'm surprised you haven't heard the arguments saying that the Madrid draw is basically crap without Roger, Lleyton, Marat and Andre because I've read plenty of posts complaining about that. And I wouldn't be surprised to read about it again if Rafa won. :wavey:

Galaxystorm
10-22-2005, 02:10 PM
I can't believe at this time, after all Rafa's accomplished this year there's still this paranoia amongst some of his fans that he's not getting the credit he deserves..

MTF is plenty of messages telling he's mainly a claycouter , even after defeating Agassi in Montreal..

It's quite paranoid that players as Dent or Fish are considered as hardcourters and i wonder how many TMS on hard they have won because as far as i know the best result of them is that Fish reached Cincy final two years ago :o

Fish and Dent hardcourters , but Nadal not :lol:

I think a lot of persons live in a paranoia of subjectivity :silly:

Black Adam
10-22-2005, 02:22 PM
Good.....I hope you play David tomorrow......I am ipmpatient to see how you fare against each other.

nobama
10-22-2005, 02:53 PM
But to be fair- I have seen recent posts such stating that Nadal really just wins on clay/is lucky/doesn't win matches just the other players lose them on other forums such as the gawdawful ESPN forums (why do I ever stick my head in there?)I hope you don't take that stuff seriously. Anyone that says Rafa is just lucky is :retard:

nobama
10-22-2005, 02:59 PM
MTF is plenty of messages telling he's mainly a claycouter , even after defeating Agassi in Montreal..

It's quite paranoid that players as Dent or Fish are considered as hardcourters and i wonder how many TMS on hard they have won because as far as i know the best result of them is that Fish reached Cincy final two years ago :o

Fish and Dent hardcourters , but Nadal not :lol:

I think a lot of persons live in a paranoia of subjectivity :silly:Well of his 11 career titles, 9 have been on clay, so I'm not surprised some would think of him as a 'claycourter'. He's obviously proved he's got game on hc too, so once he starts racking up those titles the 'claycourter' tag will drop off. As far as Dent and Fish, well they don't have great results period, but their results career-to-date on hc are better than any other surface, hence the hardcourt tag.

Scotso
10-22-2005, 03:04 PM
Vamos Rafael! :D

take the title!

french-guru
10-22-2005, 03:14 PM
I take it that Rafa's injury was not serious, since he won the match.

french-guru
10-22-2005, 03:15 PM
I would also love to see Nadal against Ljubicic, it would be a bit interesting

Timariot
10-22-2005, 04:10 PM
Too many errors Robby :sad:

His beard slowed him down.

tangerine_dream
10-22-2005, 08:05 PM
Wow who is this kid? I thought he could only play on clay :shrug:
Are people still saying that even though he beat Agassi at Montreal? :retard:

Congrats to Robby on an excellent run in the European indoors. Keep up the terrific playing. :cool:

LaTenista
10-22-2005, 08:12 PM
Bien hecho, Rafa! Now deflate Ljubicic please!

lucashg
10-22-2005, 08:27 PM
Well of his 11 career titles, 9 have been on clay, so I'm not surprised some would think of him as a 'claycourter'. He's obviously proved he's got game on hc too, so once he starts racking up those titles the 'claycourter' tag will drop off. As far as Dent and Fish, well they don't have great results period, but their results career-to-date on hc are better than any other surface, hence the hardcourt tag.

:worship:

I cannot believe how sensitive people are to this claycourter tag. Look at ATP's calendar and Nadal's titles, it's people who think he isn't a claycourter who need some help. :retard:

I know the claycourter tag is often a pejorative term, but really, should it be? Nadal has been big off clay and has proved to be a threat winning titles and getting to the finals on hard this year, he obviously knows how to play on it. Is he a hardcourter because of that? It's the same if people called Federer a "claycourter". Meh. If you don't like it, still Nadal and Federer are hardcourter and claycourter respectively, but mainly claycourter and hard/grass-courter.

And it's almost always Nadal's over-protective fans that start this crap of new clay, blue clay, spanish clay, whatever. They wanna get back at those who didn't believe in Nadal at first when he was clearly unproved on this surface. Childish.

Of course there are some idiots that are still dismissing his results, well.. if all of the drama is directed to them, fine then. They're all already categorized as trolls anyway...

Dent and Fish are hardcourters, period.

Dexter_1986
10-22-2005, 08:30 PM
WD Rafa :yeah: :D

Win the title :rocker2:

lucashg
10-22-2005, 08:31 PM
I guess I forgot to answer to the actual thread, duh. :retard:

Ginepri's walkabouts costed him the match, really. Nadal, for the most part didn't even seem that inspired, but everytime Ginepri took a 30-0 lead on Nadal's service games, he blew it all away, and was instantly in danger right next serving.

When it came to the most important points, either Nadal played well and won them, or Ginepri blew them away. At least he managed to break back twice to make the score more competitive. Still a great week and result for him. It's not always you see an american doing well outside of US soil.

Congrats to Nadal for yet another TMS final.

Jennay
10-22-2005, 08:45 PM
Rafa :yeah:
and Rafa won in 3 tight sets in Miami.
I was there. Fantastic match. :worship:

nobama
10-22-2005, 09:08 PM
:worship:

I cannot believe how sensitive people are to this claycourter tag. Look at ATP's calendar and Nadal's titles, it's people who think he isn't a claycourter who need some help. :retard:

I know the claycourter tag is often a pejorative term, but really, should it be? Nadal has been big off clay and has proved to be a threat winning titles and getting to the finals on hard this year, he obviously knows how to play on it. Is he a hardcourter because of that? It's the same if people called Federer a "claycourter". Meh. If you don't like it, still Nadal and Federer are hardcourter and claycourter respectively, but mainly claycourter and hard/grass-courter.

And it's almost always Nadal's over-protective fans that start this crap of new clay, blue clay, spanish clay, whatever. They wanna get back at those who didn't believe in Nadal at first when he was clearly unproved on this surface. Childish.

Of course there are some idiots that are still dismissing his results, well.. if all of the drama is directed to them, fine then. They're all already categorized as trolls anyway...

Dent and Fish are hardcourters, period. :yeah:

Chloe le Bopper
10-22-2005, 09:08 PM
Who's saying that? :confused: I only brought up the clay reference as a joke, because during Montreal some Nadal fans kept going on about how everyone would be referring to Montreal as "blue clay" or "the new clay" (which didn't happen).

if it didn't happen it was because we nipped that BS in the butt before it had a chance to happen. There were still people that rambled about how SLOW Montreal was, which was close enough.

I have yet to hear anyone talk about a weak field or Roger's absense. :shrug:

You just did :shrug:

Chloe le Bopper
10-22-2005, 09:10 PM
I can't believe at this time, after all Rafa's accomplished this year there's still this paranoia amongst some of his fans that he's not getting the credit he deserves. During Montreal it was some of Rafa's fans that were joking about it being "blue clay", in anticipation that non-fans would use that argument if he won (which didn't happen). As far as I know no one here has said Rafa is lukcy to be in the finals, or he's only there because the field is weak.

It's not paranoia. "As far as you know" is clearly not very far ;)

It's improper to label something as "paranoia" when you don't have the facts straight.

And again, another babble from you about how the field was weak :retard:

Chloe le Bopper
10-22-2005, 09:11 PM
But to be fair- I have seen recent posts such stating that Nadal really just wins on clay/is lucky/doesn't win matches just the other players lose them on other forums such as the gawdawful ESPN forums (why do I ever stick my head in there?)

And also- for a good while, Nadal's accomplishments on faster surfaces and frankly on clay were diminished by some people as not being legit if you will. So if some of Nadal's fans are a bit sensitive, I think it is understandable since as of quite recently (and in some spots even currently), Nadal's accomplishments were dismissed by a number of people on a number of forums.

...and still are, unbelievably :eek: Of course, it's gotten better. And some of us like to point and laugh at the people who used to make those comments earlier in the year, hence the snarky remarks. The only people who seem to have a real problem with them tend to be those who are being snarked on. Imagine that :devil:

nobama
10-22-2005, 09:13 PM
It's not paranoia. "As far as you know" is clearly not very far ;)

It's improper to label something as "paranoia" when you don't have the facts straight.

And again, another babble from you about how the field was weak :retard:Re-read what I said. I never said the field was weak. Show me a poster who has, or one that has diminished Rafa's results this week. You won't find one.

nobama
10-22-2005, 09:14 PM
if it didn't happen it was because we nipped that BS in the butt before it had a chance to happen. There were still people that rambled about how SLOW Montreal was, which was close enough.



You just did :shrug:Where did I say the field in Madrid was weak? :scratch:

Chloe le Bopper
10-22-2005, 09:15 PM
Re-read what I said. I never said the field was weak. Show me a poster who has, or one that has diminished Rafa's results this week. You won't find one.
*this week*? Perhaps not on this board. I would be surprised not to find one over on tenniswarehouse :tape:

So many comments have been made over the year that it's irrelevant whether or not they said anything this particular week. The snarking has nothing to do with paranoia and everything to do with rubbing a few clowns faces in their own BS :p

Chloe le Bopper
10-22-2005, 09:16 PM
Where did I say the field in Madrid was weak? :scratch:
You made the suggestion twice in a row. Of course you made it to point out that other people hadn't been saying that (something which I can't verify, since I haven't read many madrid threads this week)... but you still said it, so it clearly occured to you :)

nobama
10-22-2005, 09:18 PM
if it didn't happen it was because we nipped that BS in the butt before it had a chance to happen. There were still people that rambled about how SLOW Montreal was, which was close enough.OMG someone said the courts in Montreal were slow :eek: Of course that translates to Rafa's only a claycourter and won't win on hc. Whatever. :rolleyes:

Castafiore
10-22-2005, 09:20 PM
I know the claycourter tag is often a pejorative term, but really, should it be?
No, it shouldn't be but some people do belittle the so-called claycourters or better yet the 'dirtballers'. It's a very silly thing to do IMO but some people can't help themselves, I guess. :shrug:


And it's almost always Nadal's over-protective fans that start this crap of new clay, blue clay, spanish clay, whatever. They wanna get back at those who didn't believe in Nadal at first when he was clearly unproved on this surface. Childish.
Well, in MTF...I think that some people are a bit quicker to nip the downplaying in the bud (by being ahead of the game) but you don't have to go far to see some serious downplaying.
Look at some other message boards, for example (ESPN is always good fun, tenniswarehouse, one of those tennis google groups,...) ...plenty of really silly :retard: posts to be found.

nobama
10-22-2005, 09:23 PM
You made the suggestion twice in a row. Of course you made it to point out that other people hadn't been saying that (something which I can't verify, since I haven't read many madrid threads this week)... but you still said it, so it clearly occured to you :)No it never occured to me. I was responding to Mallorn who said in this thread: "Madrid's on clay and if Nadal wins this we'll be hearing the "Roger was absent," "the field was weak" arguments again.

Once again, being paranoid/worried that Rafa won't get the credit he deserves when there's nothing to support it.

lucashg
10-22-2005, 09:25 PM
You made the suggestion twice in a row. Of course you made it to point out that other people hadn't been saying that (something which I can't verify, since I haven't read many madrid threads this week)... but you still said it, so it clearly occured to you :)

I thought that she was reffering to the "EXCUSES" made earlier in the year for some of Nadal's titles, NOT to this tournament in particular.

Madrid is far from a weak tournament, but still is weaker than most if not all TMS of 2005.

nobama
10-22-2005, 09:27 PM
No, it shouldn't be but some people do belittle the so-called claycourters or better yet the 'dirtballers'. It's a very silly thing to do IMO but some people can't help themselves, I guess. :shrug:



Well, in MTF...I think that some people are a bit quicker to nip the downplaying in the bud (by being ahead of the game) but you don't have to go far to see some serious downplaying.
Look at some other message boards, for example (ESPN is always good fun, tenniswarehouse, one of those tennis google groups,...) ...plenty of really silly :retard: posts to be found.Well my comments refer to this website only as I've heard enough bad things about the ESPN boards not to go there. And I'd say right now you'd be hard pressed to find someone downplaying Rafa's results here (even those that aren't fans). Maybe they were 6 or 9 months ago, but not now. Maybe they are over at ESPN, but that has nothing to do with MTF.

lucashg
10-22-2005, 09:29 PM
No, it shouldn't be but some people do belittle the so-called claycourters or better yet the 'dirtballers'. It's a very silly thing to do IMO but some people can't help themselves, I guess. :shrug:

Those "some people" are sick. It's alright to dislike a surface and its best/specialist players, but this clay-hating club sometimes goes way beyond tennis. The same happen for other surface-hatings clubs as well, such as grass and all, but clay is the biggest non-standard surface around with the biggest number of specialists, that's why it gets this bullshit.


Well, in MTF...I think that some people are a bit quicker to nip the downplaying in the bud (by being ahead of the game) but you don't have to go far to see some serious downplaying.
Look at some other message boards, for example (ESPN is always good fun, tenniswarehouse, one of those tennis google groups,...) ...plenty of really silly :retard: posts to be found.

If I think some things from MTF are bad enough, I'm staying away from these boards, thanks for telling.

nobama
10-22-2005, 09:33 PM
Madrid is far from a weak tournament, but still is weaker than most if not all TMS of 2005.This event is very similar to Montreal in that Roger, Lleyton and Marat aren't playing, and Andy goes out in R1. The only real difference is Andre played Montreal.

lucashg
10-22-2005, 09:42 PM
This event is very similar to Montreal in that Roger, Lleyton and Marat aren't playing, and Andy goes out in R1. The only real difference is Andre played Montreal.

OH NO! You said it!
Watch the paranoia unfold.

Lately, even facts have started, haven't they? :rolleyes:

Castafiore
10-22-2005, 09:47 PM
OH NO! You said it!
Watch the paranoia unfold.

Lately, even facts have started, haven't they? :rolleyes:
Using words like 'paranoia' doesn't exactly help.
Most of you know damn well why some of the Nadal fans are so sensitive and you really don't have to go back 6 to 9 months.

lucashg
10-22-2005, 09:49 PM
Maybe it was because I have a rather nasty hangover from our friend's birthday bash but I thought that the crowd and energy were not as fun today as they were during the Radek/Rafa match yesterday. I thought that yesterday's match was a bit more fun.

Rightfully so, Stepanek/Nadal was a far more impressive and entertaining match, IMO. Both had his lapses, but when they were on, they kept pulling each other and Stepanek either made some beautiful shots by himself or made Nadal go for those amazing almost-lost points he usually does now and then.

lucashg
10-22-2005, 10:07 PM
Using words like 'paranoia' doesn't exactly help.
Most of you know damn well why some of the Nadal fans are so sensitive and you really don't have to go back 6 to 9 months.

I'm sorry, but isn't it?

Not call it paranoia, but rather mocking of non-believers clowns doesn't exactly help, either. :rolleyes:

And just because we know why Nadal fans are so sensitive, doesn't mean we have to cope up with their "paranoia" when there's absolutely nothing happening. Sorry, but someone who starts in a clean thread "So, Madrid is the new clay, isn't it? LOL" or something of that extent is just asking for some arguing.

Oh, they wanna throw people's past BS in their butt? Trolling all the same. It's not like they were right about everything that's happened to him either, and most of all, to events related to other tennis players in which they've commented on. :lol:

It's normal to guess and miss, don't have to act like a prick about it. I understand most of it is directed to obvious trolling, but some to things far from it. Whatever.

Castafiore
10-22-2005, 10:18 PM
Every top player has oversensitive fans. You, as a big Federerfan should know that. I believe that the majority of Nadalfans and Federerfans (hey, some are even fan of both, right?) or other top players do keep their feet on the ground about these players. It's a bit over the top to talk about 'paranoia' and 'Nadal fans are so sensitive' IMO.

And some reactions against the rather innocent 'so, Madrid is the new clay, right?' remark are just as over the top as the comment itself. IMO.
Look at how far this thread has been going over that one line? :rolleyes:

nobama
10-22-2005, 11:24 PM
And some reactions against the rather innocent 'so, Madrid is the new clay, right?' remark are just as over the top as the comment itself. IMO. Look at how far this thread has been going over that one line? :rolleyes:So was my initial comment 'rather innocent' or 'over the top'? :confused:

nobama
10-22-2005, 11:33 PM
Sorry, but someone who starts in a clean thread "So, Madrid is the new clay, isn't it? LOL" or something of that extent is just asking for some arguing.I made that comment, and the Nadal fan who started this thread did laugh it off as they obviously knew it was a joke. Maybe paranoid isn't the right word, but there sure seems to be concern amongst some Nadal fans that he isn't getting the credit and respect he deserves, that everyone downplays his results, ect. I think it's unnecessary. Anyone right now who downplays Nadal's success or makes excuses for his wins, just doesn't know what they're talking about and shouldn't be taken seriously.

lau
10-22-2005, 11:57 PM
I think that all players have "sensitive" fans, but IMO some Nadal fans are sick of posts like this one (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=2546813&postcount=30) . Even when it`s so ridiculous that it`s funny (and maybe it`s not even serious), I`m sick of this kind of posts too and I`m not a Nadal fan. :p

nobama
10-23-2005, 12:16 AM
I think that all players have "sensitive" fans, but IMO some Nadal fans are sick of posts like this one (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=2546813&postcount=30) . Even when it`s so ridiculous that it`s funny (and maybe it`s not even serious), I`m sick of this kind of posts too and I`m not a Nadal fan. :pClearly that poster doesn't know what they are talking about and shouldn't be taken seriously. Maybe they were just joking, but you can't tell from the post. With the results Nadal's had this year there's nothing for his fans to be over-sensitive about. The results speak for themselves.

jenanun
10-23-2005, 12:38 AM
With the results Nadal's had this year there's nothing for his fans to be over-sensitive about. The results speak for themselves.

:yeah:

lucashg
10-23-2005, 12:38 AM
Every top player has oversensitive fans. You, as a big Federerfan should know that. I believe that the majority of Nadalfans and Federerfans (hey, some are even fan of both, right?) or other top players do keep their feet on the ground about these players.

Right. I know. Right.

It's a bit over the top to talk about 'paranoia' and 'Nadal fans are so sensitive' IMO.

No, according to some of them there isn't paranoia, it's just a little fun they having with the fools/tools/trolls. NOT. They believe whatever they want.

I don't know why it's over the top to question their sanity if others' are questioned and bothered by everyone else and them as well. And I'm talking about ALL of top players fanbases.


And some reactions against the rather innocent 'so, Madrid is the new clay, right?' remark are just as over the top as the comment itself. IMO.

Well, mirkaland's comment was rather innocent, but still intrigued some of his fans to talk about it seriously, didn't it? I didn't mean to pick on her comment as was more of a joke than a sarcasm-driven bit to make fun of some others other than trolls and the like.

I thought jananun made the comment, but he/she was actually the one who reply seriously to it. My bad, I don't remember if he/she was the one who said later that she had taken as joke instead. But that one post didn't look like had interpreted mirkaland's words correctly.

The comment, in general, is usually an over-the-top one.

Look at how far this thread has been going over that one line? :rolleyes:

Who's to blame?
You've read it, you know how it started.

safdem
10-23-2005, 08:19 AM
well done rafa :yeah:
good luck in the final

DhammaTiger
10-23-2005, 12:17 PM
Well played Rafa :worship: Now win the title :yeah: Vamos y buena suerte!!