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Nalbandian def. Karlovic 6-4 7-6 (7-4)

Julio1974
10-21-2005, 09:59 PM
Well done David !!!! Good luck tomorrow!!

Sjengster
10-21-2005, 10:00 PM
See Julio, there was no need to panic about Karlo's serve-dominant game ruining tennis, was there? He'll always lose eventually against a quality returner who isn't called Hewitt.

bad gambler
10-21-2005, 10:00 PM
vamos nalby :bounce:

adee-gee
10-21-2005, 10:00 PM
I applaud anyone that breaks Ivo's serve :bigclap:

adee-gee
10-21-2005, 10:01 PM
See Julio, there was no need to panic about Karlo's serve-dominant game ruining tennis, was there? He'll always lose eventually against a quality returner who isn't called Hewitt.
But he beat Roddick :confused:

disturb3d
10-21-2005, 10:03 PM
This match solidified David's status as the best returner of his generation.

Sjengster
10-21-2005, 10:04 PM
But he beat Roddick :confused:

Odd, isn't it? :scratch:

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 10:04 PM
the way he read the serve and went the right way even when he missed the return was very impressive. Hope he can make the final.

name_change
10-21-2005, 10:07 PM
wow!impressive from david!and lobbing a tall guy too!:yeah: and aced very few times. good job!

Sjengster
10-21-2005, 10:07 PM
the way he read the serve and went the right way even when he missed the return was very impressive. Hope he can make the final.

Debstah supporting Nalbandian? Is the apocalypse upon us? I suppose it could have something to do with the other great bete noire for Roddick fans, whom Nalby is playing tomorrow :p ;)

Actually, with those two plus Mr Personality in the other semifinal against Nadal, I guess you're running out of options a little bit. ;)

Viken01
10-21-2005, 10:09 PM
vamos david and take the title :D

marcelwks
10-21-2005, 10:09 PM
yes David make a final once again

cecilija
10-21-2005, 10:10 PM
poor ivo :sad: but well played by nalbandian
he is must be the best returner in the game :eek: or at least a top 3 returner

Clara Bow
10-21-2005, 10:10 PM
Well done David! In an odd way- matches like this can be frustrating for me as a fan of Nalby because I just have to wonder why he isn't like this all/more of the time. When he is on his game it just drives me bonkers that he only has three titles.

El Legenda
10-21-2005, 10:12 PM
This match solidified David's status as the best returner of his generation.

along with the worst server.

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 10:12 PM
Debstah supporting Nalbandian? Is the apocalypse upon us? I suppose it could have something to do with the other great bete noire for Roddick fans, whom Nalby is playing tomorrow :p ;)

Actually, with those two plus Mr Personality in the other semifinal against Nadal, I guess you're running out of options a little bit. ;)Uh, since when have I ever disliked Nalbandian? I'll answer for you. Never. I like Nadal too for that matter, so I fail to see your point. And regardless, I'm intelligent enough to recognize and applaud when someone has played well, which is more than many GM'ers can say.

sigmagirl91
10-21-2005, 10:13 PM
Debstah supporting Nalbandian? Is the apocalypse upon us? I suppose it could have something to do with the other great bete noire for Roddick fans, whom Nalby is playing tomorrow :p ;)

Actually, with those two plus Mr Personality in the other semifinal against Nadal, I guess you're running out of options a little bit. ;)

I guess David will have new "fans" tomorrow, eh? ;)

Sjengster
10-21-2005, 10:14 PM
Well, be honest Clara - if he or most other Top 10/15 players could play Karlovic in every tournament, they'd be a lot more successful. When he has to face someone who poses a more all-round challenge, like Ljubicic tomorrow, that is the true litmus test, and it's safe to say that Nalbandian has been undone by players with more complete games like Federer and Safin - ie, people who know how to serve as well as how to return.

Sjengster
10-21-2005, 10:17 PM
Uh, since when have I ever disliked Nalbandian? I'll answer for you. Never. I like Nadal too for that matter, so I fail to see your point. And regardless, I'm intelligent enough to recognize and applaud when someone has played well, which is more than many GM'ers can say.

Apologies, but equally, since when have you ever liked him? I've never seen any indication of it. :shrug: The same with Nadal, but I'll take you at your word. I wish I could have seen the match live, but I get highlights in about fifteen minutes.

Viken01
10-21-2005, 10:17 PM
I guess David will have new "fans" tomorrow, eh? ;)

yeah i think so :devil:

El Legenda
10-21-2005, 10:18 PM
ie, people who know how to serve as well as how to return.

Ljubo is not the best return in the world, but last 3 weeks, seems to get atleast a break per set and few more bp's with Nably weak serve and good return, ivan should be able to break few times and hope to hold in key pts

Julio1974
10-21-2005, 10:18 PM
Well, be honest Clara - if he or most other Top 10/15 players could play Karlovic in every tournament, they'd be a lot more successful. When he has to face someone who poses a more all-round challenge, like Ljubicic tomorrow, that is the true litmus test, and it's safe to say that Nalbandian has been undone by players with more complete games like Federer and Safin - ie, people who know how to serve as well as how to return.

Only Safin and Federer are undoubtedly better than David on fast courts. But he is quite close to Hewitt, Roddick and Nadal. But he lacks consistency.

Sjengster
10-21-2005, 10:21 PM
He's very evenly matched with Hewitt off the ground as the AO match showed, and obviously the DC demolition, but in those situations Hewitt's superior serve will make a difference. Equally he outplayed Roddick from the baseline for three sets at the US Open, but the lack of cheap points on his serve killed him in the last two sets whereas Roddick could remain physically fresh throughout. We still have no idea about how he matches up with Nadal... but if they meet in the final here, I can take a good guess, and it ain't pretty for Dave.

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 10:21 PM
Apologies, but equally, since when have you ever liked him? I've never seen any indication of it. :shrug: The same with Nadal, but I'll take you at your word. I wish I could have seen the match live, but I get highlights in about fifteen minutes.I'm indifferent to him. I was impressed with his play today. I don't dislike him, but he's not one of my favorites. Same with Rafa. Is this a crime to come into a thread about his win to say he played well? Or are some people so negative that they can't imagine just sort of following the sport as a whole and having favorites but not disliking many players? There are very few players I could say I dislike (Mr. Personality, as you so aptly named him, would indeed be one of those, however.). I hope those are the two in the final, I think it would be a great match. But anyway, there's no need to explain myself to you any further.

It's worse than I thought if people are so out of touch so as to flame others when they post something NICE.

Sjengster
10-21-2005, 10:23 PM
I hoped the tone of my initial response (with smilies, which I usually dislike) would have indicated that I didn't think it was a crime, but there's not much I can do when people completely overreact to my comments.

sigmagirl91
10-21-2005, 10:25 PM
I'm indifferent to him. I was impressed with his play today. I don't dislike him, but he's not one of my favorites. Same with Rafa. Is this a crime to come into a thread about his win to say he played well? Or are some people so negative that they can't imagine just sort of following the sport as a whole and having favorites but not disliking many players? There are very few players I could say I dislike (Mr. Personality, as you so aptly named him, would indeed be one of those, however.). I hope those are the two in the final, I think it would be a great match. But anyway, there's no need to explain myself to you any further.

It's worse than I thought if people are so out of touch so as to flame others when they post something NICE.

Wow....indifferent. How could you be "indifferent" to a player and roll up on a thread about him? You must have SOME feeling toward him, or why would you be here?

Julio1974
10-21-2005, 10:25 PM
the lack of cheap points on his serve killed him in the last two sets whereas

That his main problem. With those cheap points, he could be a top-5 and even win a GS. Whitout those cheap points, I doubt it.

Sjengster
10-21-2005, 10:28 PM
Well, exactly - I could see him getting through tomorrow by counterpunching off Ljubicic's big serve and being the reactive player, but I shudder at the thought of his prospects against Nadal without any cheap points on serve. You cannot beat Nadal without a good delivery, he hasn't lost to a guy with a weak serve since... ooh, Gaudio in Buenos Aires? Nalbandian has to share some of his compatriot's fortune.

NYCtennisfan
10-21-2005, 10:38 PM
Uh, since when have I ever disliked Nalbandian? I'll answer for you. Never. I like Nadal too for that matter, so I fail to see your point. And regardless, I'm intelligent enough to recognize and applaud when someone has played well, which is more than many GM'ers can say.

I've never seen Debstah actually rooting against anyone. I find her about as fair as anyone on GM.

jazz_girl
10-21-2005, 10:42 PM
I wish I could have seen this match :sad: Good luck tomorrow David!!! :yeah:

Clara Bow
10-21-2005, 10:44 PM
I've never seen Debstah actually rooting against anyone. I find her about as fair as anyone on GM.

I agree. She roots for her favorites of course, but in a very positive way- with no hatefulness hurled at other players. And I don't ever really recall seeing her root against anyone. And I find that refreshing and very enjoyable. :)

Sjengster
10-21-2005, 10:44 PM
I've never seen Debstah actually rooting against anyone. I find her about as fair as anyone on GM.

Bully for her. I don't think it's necessarily unfair to root against/dislike a particular player - provided you're honest and realistic about that player's capabilities, which most people aren't when they're in slating mood.

shotgun
10-21-2005, 10:48 PM
Hope Nalbandian wins tomorrow. I can't stand this Jerry Seinfeld guy anymore. :lol:

Sjengster
10-21-2005, 10:50 PM
He was always overrated, Larry David was the man with genuine comic genius.

shotgun
10-21-2005, 10:53 PM
:haha:

revolution
10-21-2005, 11:02 PM
Well I thought it would be something like this, didn't I?

Sjengster
10-21-2005, 11:02 PM
Well I thought it would be something like this, didn't I?

As did I, in fact I got the scoreline exactly right for once. ;)

Deboogle!.
10-22-2005, 12:13 AM
I agree. She roots for her favorites of course, but in a very positive way- with no hatefulness hurled at other players. And I don't ever really recall seeing her root against anyone. And I find that refreshing and very enjoyable. :)Not where I know there is someone who likes the player, anyway (such as here). I at least try to be tactful and mindful of the opinions of others so I instead keep such conversations with smaller groups of people who I know will not be offended. That said, once again, there are very few players I dislike anyway, and they're for pretty specific reasons too. And there's also a difference between disliking a player and ignoring them and actually affirmatively hoping that person loses every time they step out on court, to the point of laughing at their misfortunes, injuries, etc. That I have never done, not even to myself. But we are all different, that's ok :)

In any case, nice of you guys to stick up for me but it's ok :) This is GM, I know what to expect here ;)

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 12:16 AM
Yes, we all know with bitter experience the baptism of fire that is GM. I don't laugh at the misfortunes and injuries of people I dislike, BTW, if that was the implication.

Jimnik
10-22-2005, 12:30 AM
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen somebody handle Karlovic's serve as well as David.

Forget Agassi and Hewitt, they never broke Ivo. For the best returner in the world, look no futher than Nalba.

NyGeL
10-22-2005, 12:33 AM
nalby just needs to improve his serve to get the top 5 again.

He is playing great in Madrid. He is not afraid of his volley anymore... at least in this tournament.

If he keep the level, I have no doubt that he will win this MS... but with nalby you never know.

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 12:34 AM
Hang on a mo, Hewitt has taken a set 6-1 off Karlovic, with a triple break no less (granted, some of this was down to Ivo's nerves in his first ever Slam match). And Agassi did manage a break at the US Open early in the second set, only to hand it straight back again. No doubt that Naba is a Top 5 returner though, I predicted that he would read the Karlovic serve out wide on the deuce side to his forehand very well since he loves to smack that return cross-court and early.

Jennay
10-22-2005, 12:44 AM
David :) :yeah:

tangerine_dream
10-22-2005, 01:04 AM
It's worse than I thought if people are so out of touch so as to flame others when they post something NICE.
Sjengster is a smug nitwit who got caught with his pants down again, what else is new? :shrug:

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 01:07 AM
Sjengster is a smug nitwit who got caught with his pants down again, what else is new? :shrug:

Half-right. I am a smug nitwit, true, and proud of it, but if downing of pants did occur, then 'twas not me. For one thing my comments were misinterpreted, not the other way round, and for another... well, I just don't do that sort of thing.

myggen
10-22-2005, 01:52 AM
Ljubo is not the best return in the world, but last 3 weeks, seems to get atleast a break per set and few more bp's with Nably weak serve and good return, ivan should be able to break few times and hope to hold in key pts

I think Nalbandian was serving quite well today, and very well to be him. He is in very good form and will certainly trouble Ljubicic.

silverwhite
10-22-2005, 05:09 AM
Nalby :worship: Win the tournament please! He's the only one I like in the semis. ;)

Black Adam
10-22-2005, 09:53 AM
Debstah supporting Nalbandian? Is the apocalypse upon us? I suppose it could have something to do with the other great bete noire for Roddick fans, whom Nalby is playing tomorrow :p ;)

Actually, with those two plus Mr Personality in the other semifinal against Nadal, I guess you're running out of options a little bit. ;)
C'mon Roddick owns the guy so i don't see why ppl think all of a sudden that he owns Roddick :p
If Nalby serves well today he will make Final............I would like tosee him face Nadal and see who comes out on top.