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The Oink Attack grunts his way past Rumplestiltskin 7-6(9),6-4

RonE
10-21-2005, 08:03 PM
http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/animal/animal0026.gif

Well done.

idolwatcher1
10-21-2005, 08:05 PM
:lol: wow, they were really neck-and-neck most of the way...

Fergie
10-21-2005, 08:05 PM
Wasn't Nadal injured? :lol:

mallorn
10-21-2005, 08:13 PM
Wow Ron, you went out of your way to find a Piggy smilie :lol:
That was such a nerve-wracking match to follow on the SB. Can someone who watched it tell me how the hell Rafa blew a 5-0 lead in the TB? :smash:
Anyway, well done Rafa :worship:

nobama
10-21-2005, 08:16 PM
Wasn't Nadal injured? :lol:I guess he's playing through the pain. :lol: Hopefully Ginepri will end it all tomorrow. I'm glad he's doing well outside the USA.

lilfairyprincess
10-21-2005, 08:19 PM
vamos rafa!!! :)

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-21-2005, 08:25 PM
Go Rafa :worship:

Saumon
10-21-2005, 08:34 PM
Wasn't Nadal injured? :lol:
and he is a claycourter :rolleyes: :lol:

MrExcel
10-21-2005, 08:37 PM
Wow Ron, you went out of your way to find a Piggy smilie :lol:
That was such a nerve-wracking match to follow on the SB. Can someone who watched it tell me how the hell Rafa blew a 5-0 lead in the TB? :smash:
Anyway, well done Rafa :worship:

Nadal got very tight, and Stepanek kept putting in good first serves to keep him in it. It was very nervy by both from about 4-4!

KoOlMaNsEaN
10-21-2005, 08:46 PM
Whos rumplestilstkin i thought he was sexyman of the ATP Tour :p

mp3junkie
10-21-2005, 08:48 PM
Please stop referring Nadal to a pig. It's not right. He does not even come close to resembling a pig. It's just ridiculous and mean. What if Nadal came on line and saw this. It's not a joke....it's just mean spirited.

mallorn
10-21-2005, 08:52 PM
Nadal got very tight, and Stepanek kept putting in good first serves to keep him in it. It was very nervy by both from about 4-4!
Thanks. Why would he get that tight with such a big lead, that's uncharacteristic :confused:
Whos rumplestilstkin i thought he was sexyman of the ATP Tour :p
I kinda like Sexypanek, although it's mean! :devil:

adee-gee
10-21-2005, 09:10 PM
Please stop referring Nadal to a pig. It's not right. He does not even come close to resembling a pig. It's just ridiculous and mean. What if Nadal came on line and saw this. It's not a joke....it's just mean spirited.
Ignore people like him, they don't realise how anyone could like a player other than Federer.

For the record, it was an extremely good match. Stepanek played his part in a high quality encounter. Congrats Rafa on the win.

Sjengster
10-21-2005, 09:13 PM
Despite what you may believe, RonE is not the stereotypical Federer junkie that you would like to paint him as. We can debate the merits of Nadal's porcine nickname, but I wouldn't try and use the argument that it's hurting his feelings. I think the millions of dollars in career earnings and the international adulation will provide ample recompense.

adee-gee
10-21-2005, 09:25 PM
Despite what you may believe, RonE is not the stereotypical Federer junkie that you would like to paint him as. We can debate the merits of Nadal's porcine nickname, but I wouldn't try and use the argument that it's hurting his feelings. I think the millions of dollars in career earnings and the international adulation will provide ample recompense.
Put it this way, if I posted a Federer score with a similarly "generous" nickname I'm sure he would respond to it.

Sjengster
10-21-2005, 09:28 PM
True. For the record, I don't agree with the nickname either - but that doesn't mean he "doesn't realise how anyone could like a player other than Federer." He may not realise how anyone could like Nadal, but that's not quite the same thing.

adee-gee
10-21-2005, 09:34 PM
True. For the record, I don't agree with the nickname either - but that doesn't mean he "doesn't realise how anyone could like a player other than Federer." He may not realise how anyone could like Nadal, but that's not quite the same thing.
The dig wasn't necessarily directed at him, he's just kind of taken the brunt of it because of the thread title. For the record, there are many worse around.

By the way, did anyone see the first 5 points in the tie break, it was almost perfect tennis from Nadal. His backhand has improved so much its ridiculous, Mr Roddick take note :rolleyes:

dkw
10-21-2005, 09:36 PM
Put it this way, if I posted a Federer score with a similarly "generous" nickname I'm sure he would respond to it.

Meaning if you said something like:

"Federer the Big Bore snoozed his way past Player XYZ" he might get a tad upset??

Sjengster
10-21-2005, 09:39 PM
The dig wasn't necessarily directed at him, he's just kind of taken the brunt of it because of the thread title. For the record, there are many worse around.

By the way, did anyone see the first 5 points in the tie break, it was almost perfect tennis from Nadal. His backhand has improved so much its ridiculous, Mr Roddick take note :rolleyes:

I know there are many worse around. Have you seen TenHound's theory that the arrival on the scene of Thuggy (yes, that's an even better Nadal nickname) has forced Federer to adopt Nazi/SS-coloured clothing with his red and black shirts, instead of his usual "Roger-white"? No, RonE was not particularly impressed by that.

I managed to miss the entire tiebreak because I was having a Trafalgar-themed dinner in the entire room. Sounds like both men blew their chances.

adee-gee
10-21-2005, 09:40 PM
Meaning if you said something like:

"Federer the Big Bore snoozed his way past Player XYZ" he might get a tad upset??
I'd say that isn't half as harsh as calling Rafa the oink attack, but yes similar to that.

star
10-21-2005, 09:43 PM
Please stop referring Nadal to a pig. It's not right. He does not even come close to resembling a pig. It's just ridiculous and mean. What if Nadal came on line and saw this. It's not a joke....it's just mean spirited.

Of course it is mean spirited. That's what RonE likes about it. :)

mallorn
10-21-2005, 09:43 PM
I hate the nickname too, and I’ve had an exchange or two about it with RonE. He says it’s not mean-spirited and that he actually thinks Nadal is a great player. Call me naïve but based on the tone of our conversations I tend to believe him. He's definitely not the only one to use the name, there was a poll about Rafa’s nickname some time ago, and actually quite a lot of people also voted for Piggy. :smash:

I can’t believe I’m actually standing up for you RonE! :lol:

adee-gee
10-21-2005, 09:44 PM
I know there are many worse around. Have you seen TenHound's theory that the arrival on the scene of Thuggy (yes, that's an even better Nadal nickname) has forced Federer to adopt Nazi/SS-coloured clothing with his red and black shirts, instead of his usual "Roger-white"? No, RonE was not particularly impressed by that.

I managed to miss the entire tiebreak because I was having a Trafalgar-themed dinner in the entire room. Sounds like both men blew their chances.
:lol: I didn't see that no. I think I prefer Thuggy to Piggy though :o

A trafalgar-themed dinner :eek: that sounds rather intriguing!

star
10-21-2005, 09:45 PM
I know there are many worse around. Have you seen TenHound's theory that the arrival on the scene of Thuggy (yes, that's an even better Nadal nickname) has forced Federer to adopt Nazi/SS-coloured clothing with his red and black shirts, instead of his usual "Roger-white"? No, RonE was not particularly impressed by that.

I managed to miss the entire tiebreak because I was having a Trafalgar-themed dinner in the entire room. Sounds like both men blew their chances.

You mean if we started calling Fed "Herr SS" RonE might take offense? ;) :lol:

star
10-21-2005, 09:47 PM
I hate the nickname too, and I’ve had an exchange or two about it with RonE. He says it’s not mean-spirited and that he actually thinks Nadal is a great player. Call me naïve but based on the tone of our conversations I tend to believe him. He's definitely not the only one to use the name, there was a poll about Rafa’s nickname some time ago, and actually quite a lot of people also voted for Piggy. :smash:

I can’t believe I’m actually standing up for you RonE! :lol:

I don't know about you, but to me actions speak louder than words. If he knows people take offense at the nickname and he keeps on using it, he means to offend.

I can think of several names RonE might find offensive if we directed them to him, and I can't imagine that my saying "oh... I really admire you and think you are great and I don't see anything offensive in what I said." would really make a hill of beans to him.

PaulieM
10-21-2005, 09:50 PM
Ignore people like him, they don't realise how anyone could like a player other than Federer.

yeah i'm sure that's exactly the case. :rolleyes: the piggy nickname is not any worse than calling roddick the duck or coria the weasel. both of which have made several appearances in match thread titles. and since radek also got quite a lovely nickname in the title, i think it's safe to say somebody is overreacting :shrug:

star
10-21-2005, 09:51 PM
I don't think those names are anything but mean spirited either.

Clara Bow
10-21-2005, 09:53 PM
I caught some of the match when I went home to check on my recovering pooch. It was not always the best quality- but some high excitement and some great shots. Radek and Nadal tend to have entertaining matches.


Nadal's post-match press conference:

Q. What a match against Stepanek. Proud?
Of course, I'm proud. It was a very, very tough match. I knew before I started that Stepanek is a very uncomfortable opponent that gives you no rhythm. I knew I had to resist and be consistent. It was an incredible match, a very high level, as we like to play, with fast rhythm.
I knew it was going to be difficult, but I fought as much as I could until 6-2, when it got complicated. But I'm very happy because now I reached the semifinals of another Masters Series at home.

Q. Ginepri, do you have references of him?
Well, the references are clear. Champion at New Haven, semifinals in Cincinnati and US Open. Very, very tough match. I'll need to play well.

Q. You started the tournament as a doubt, and now you're the only Spaniard. How do you feel? What are your hopes?
I'm looking forward to tomorrow's match. I'm very happy. The two first years I played here, I didn't do very well. I'm excited at the idea of playing a good tournament. This is a great indoor tournament. I wish I could reach the final. That would be great.

Q. During the tiebreak, what percentage of the victory belongs to the crowd? As a spectator I felt the crowd was great.
Yeah, I've been saying this all week. Once I decided to play, I knew I owed the crowd a lot. Every time I got on the court, I felt warmly welcomed. Thanks to their empathy in these very tough matches, where slight details are important.

Q. Differences between yesterday?
Today the crowd was incredible.

Q. The first question is about your knees. The second question, those black elastic bands, what are they? Are they miraculous?
Yes, of course, they come from Lourdes and are touched by Lourdes water. :lol: Seriously, it's to prevent the impact. It's not miraculous, but it soothes the pain.

Q. At 6 2, you suddenly lost four set points. You had two points against you. What did you think?
Well, I felt suddenly I was losing the match, when I was one point from winning the match. On his serve, 7-6, I was able to return. He won the following point. Then made a forehand on the line. I was brave. That was the victory of the tiebreak. However, I was a bit unfocused at 6-2.

Q. Stepanek was tough. Four matches, four victories. It seems like you know him.
Well, every match is different. All of them have been very tough. I've been feeling uncomfortable. This player makes a strange movement in his serve at the end which I cannot control. The truth is, this year I played twice on clay against him. 7-5, 6-3. I told you the other day about that match. Rome, I lost the first set 7-5, then I won 6-1, 6-2, or something like this.
Taking into account his performance on clay and how tough matches are what were the results 7-6 7-6 6-3, all those matches have been really difficult.

Q. Could you explain to us what difficulties you found?
It was a difficult match. Very tense moments. First set we were playing to the limit. I was able to recover in the tiebreak. 5-0, then suddenly it was 6-3, very difficult. Finally I was able to recover.

Q. How important was it not to go to three sets?
The first set I have two set points down, but I can win these points. So I am very happy because if I lost the first set, the match will be a little bit more tough, no?

Q. Can you talk us through the tiebreaker. You were 5-2 up, then two set points down. Can you describe that?
Yes. I was playing unbelievable the tiebreak, 5-0 in the tiebreak. 6-2, serve. 6-3, 6-5, and one point more with the serve. I can't win any point. I relaxed a little bit. In the 6-2, he played a good point. After that, he has two set points. That's difficult. But the public is very exciting in this moments, and very important for me, no?

Q. He's an unusual player. He sometimes plays up, sometimes back. He mixes it up. Does this make it difficult?
Yes, he's very difficult because he play very aggressive, goes to the net.

Q. For the tape?
He plays in the baseline. He plays very tough, too. It's very difficult. I never have good feelings around him.

Q. Do you think your standard has gone up in the three matches here?
Yesterday I play very well I think, too. Today I play good because is difficult opponent. But I am happy with my level every match, no?

adee-gee
10-21-2005, 09:57 PM
yeah i'm sure that's exactly the case. :rolleyes: the piggy nickname is not any worse than calling roddick the duck or coria the weasel. both of which have made several appearances in match thread titles. and since radek also got quite a lovely nickname in the title, i think it's safe to say somebody is overreacting :shrug:
When I think up a suitably derogatory nickname for Federer I'll stick it in a title, and I don't expect anyone to object to it. Yes?

Sjengster
10-21-2005, 09:59 PM
I don't think those names are anything but mean spirited either.

The difference being that those players are widely disliked on here, while Nadal is generally liked by the majority, hence the furore over this particular nickname.

star
10-21-2005, 10:00 PM
When I think up a suitably derogatory nickname for Federer I'll stick it in a title, and I don't expect anyone to object to it. Yes?

So if the next time Federer wins a match, I say "The SS Meister Blitzed Whoever" that will be ok? :lol:

PaulieM
10-21-2005, 10:01 PM
When I think up a suitably derogatory nickname for Federer I'll stick it in a title, and I don't expect anyone to object to it. Yes?
he was nicknamed the rabbit a while back, not exactly sure why :shrug: call him whatever you want, that doesn't change the fact that plenty of other players have nicknames like the one ron has given nadal, and nobody cries over it. being called a weasel like coria is far worse than a pig, but i'm pretty sure that both he and his fans sleep well enough at night.

Sjengster
10-21-2005, 10:01 PM
Given the current rumours circulating about his injury, I really don't care what anyone decides to call him in a match result thread, provided they get the chance to create such a thread.

mallorn
10-21-2005, 10:01 PM
I don't know about you, but to me actions speak louder than words. If he knows people take offense at the nickname and he keeps on using it, he means to offend.

I can think of several names RonE might find offensive if we directed them to him, and I can't imagine that my saying "oh... I really admire you and think you are great and I don't see anything offensive in what I said." would really make a hill of beans to him.
Well, as I said I hate the nickname, and as I said to RonE I find it derogatory. I wish people wouldn't use it, but I choose to believe RonE when he says he thinks it's funny and not mean. Maybe he has a screwed sense of humour, it's not uncommon. :shrug: I know, I'm naive :lol:

Sjengster
10-21-2005, 10:02 PM
he was nicknamed the rabbit a while back, not exactly sure why :shrug: call him whatever you want, that doesn't change the fact that plenty of other players have nicknames like the one ron has given nadal, and nobody cries over it. being called a weasel like coria is far worse than a pig, but i'm pretty sure that both he and his fans sleep well enough at night.

Come on - what's everyone's favourite mixed animation/live action film? ;)

adee-gee
10-21-2005, 10:02 PM
So if the next time Federer wins a match, I say "The SS Meister Blitzed Whoever" that will be ok? :lol:
Just call him Hitler, apparently nicknames don't matter :shrug:

PaulieM
10-21-2005, 10:02 PM
So if the next time Federer wins a match, I say "The SS Meister Blitzed Whoever" that will be ok? :lol:
i personally wouldn't care. although i think a nickname with a nazi reference is only slightly different than an animal name :shrug:

star
10-21-2005, 10:03 PM
he was nicknamed the rabbit a while back, not exactly sure why :shrug: call him whatever you want, that doesn't change the fact that plenty of other players have nicknames like the one ron has given nadal, and nobody cries over it. being called a weasel like coria is far worse than a pig, but i'm pretty sure that both he and his fans sleep well enough at night.

You are wrong. Coria's fans don't like him being called a weasel one bit.

And in some cultures being called a pig is one of the worst possible insults. I'm sure RonE is aware of that.

PaulieM
10-21-2005, 10:04 PM
Just call him Hitler, apparently nicknames don't matter :shrug:
yes that was exactly the point. i'm glad you're smart enough to distinguish between the levels of offence associated with nazis vs. pigs

star
10-21-2005, 10:05 PM
Just call him Hitler, apparently nicknames don't matter :shrug:




Well, ok then.

PaulieM
10-21-2005, 10:05 PM
You are wrong. Coria's fans don't like him being called a weasel one bit.

And in some cultures being called a pig is one of the worst possible insults. I'm sure RonE is aware of that.
perhaps he is aware of that i don't know. all i'm saying is that from what i know of ron i don't think he intends it to a huge insult.

star
10-21-2005, 10:07 PM
perhaps he is aware of that i don't know. all i'm saying is that from what i know of ron i don't think he intends it to a huge insult.

I repeat: If someone tells you a name is offensive, and you keep repeating it after you know it is offensive, you mean to be offensive.

RonE
10-21-2005, 10:37 PM
My my, getting a bit touchy are we?

Let's clarify a few things here:

1. As has been mentioned, other players get called names all the time yet for the most part I hardly recall people stirring up such a fuss every time the words 'Duck' 'Potato' or 'Weasel' are thrown around and yes those are very complimentary nicknames.

2. My favourite players have been called less than complimentary names by many but I never bother to respond to them and do you know why? They have had/ are having their successes, they do their talking with their racquet and I personally couldn't give a rat's ass if some people decide to call them certain names.

3. I enjoy handing out nicknames to players I like too- Rumplestiltskin comes to mind. To all you so eager to hand one out to Roger let me make a suggestion: Roger Fed-Up-Rer seeing as so many of you are fed up of him. Happy?

4. As for Nadal being insulted- you really think he gives a shit about what a bunch of shnooks on an internet message board type? He is laughing all the way to the bank. The only people who are so riled up are the over sensitive fans and if they want to rant and scream and moan about it be my guest.

5. For the umpteenth time I will again explain my views on Nadal: I do not like his style of play, but I admire his fighting spirit, he gets the results there is no arguing with that, and I admire the way he conducts himself with maturity years beyond his age. The nickname has to do with his facial expressions and grunts and what can I do if that is the association it brings up for me. If you want to spew all your froth and anger on me for that, go on right ahead.

Now to get the thread back on track: as I had predicted before the match Stepanek is the type of player who could give Rafa problems and he gave them more of his fair share. The first set was such a see-saw and Nadal losing the 5-0 lead in the tiebreak was unbelievable. To those who asked it was Radek who was hanging in there, taking his chances and mixing up the pace and managed to haul the score back to 6-6. What made the difference was Radek's inability to close out the important points (set points) where on a coule of occassions he floated high sitting volleys. Rafa was stronger mentally when it counted and all credit to him for that.

Second set was also tight but Rafa played a blinder of a game to break at 4-4 in the 2nd set and sealed the victory in his next service game.

Alvarillo
10-21-2005, 10:52 PM
just arrived from Madrid Arena, this match was really exciting, the tie-break was the best part of the match, was awesome ! the crowd really enjoyed and supported Rafa, this guy is unveliable!
the last point of the first set was :worship:

Radek, in this tournament you've won a new fan! friendly guy! ;)

Sjengster
10-21-2005, 10:55 PM
just arrived from Madrid Arena, this match was really exciting, the tie-break was the best part of the match, was awesome ! the crowd really enjoyed and supported Rafa, this guy is unveliable!
the last point of the first set was :worship:

Radek, in this tournament you've won a new fan! friendly guy! ;)

Hmm, friendliness... is this the way to Alvarillo? ;)

*Note: this appalling pun may only be appreciated by those familiar with the musical output of Tony Christie*

Scotso
10-21-2005, 10:55 PM
:banana:

star
10-21-2005, 11:13 PM
My my, getting a bit touchy are we?

Let's clarify a few things here:

1. As has been mentioned, other players get called names all the time yet for the most part I hardly recall people stirring up such a fuss every time the words 'Duck' 'Potato' or 'Weasel' are thrown around and yes those are very complimentary nicknames.

Those are NOT complimentary nicknames. And yes, people have objected to those nicknames, but just like you, the people who made them up didn't care.

2. My favourite players have been called less than complimentary names by many but I never bother to respond to them and do you know why? They have had/ are having their successes, they do their talking with their racquet and I personally couldn't give a rat's ass if some people decide to call them certain names.

Because your favorite players have been called nasty names, you should be more sensitive to it rather than less sensitive.

3. I enjoy handing out nicknames to players I like too- Rumplestiltskin comes to mind. To all you so eager to hand one out to Roger let me make a suggestion: Roger Fed-Up-Rer seeing as so many of you are fed up of him. Happy?

No, because YOU don't get to pick a name you are happy with and then say you are broad minded. How about calling him "The Blitzkrieg" or "SS Man" or simply "Nazi" Is that ok with you?

4. As for Nadal being insulted- you really think he gives a shit about what a bunch of shnooks on an internet message board type? He is laughing all the way to the bank. The only people who are so riled up are the over sensitive fans and if they want to rant and scream and moan about it be my guest.

I doubt that Nadal is reading this board or cares at all about you RonE. I do think that you are offending a lot of Nadal fans with your insistence on calling Nadal an insulting name

5. For the umpteenth time I will again explain my views on Nadal: I do not like his style of play, but I admire his fighting spirit, he gets the results there is no arguing with that, and I admire the way he conducts himself with maturity years beyond his age. The nickname has to do with his facial expressions and grunts and what can I do if that is the association it brings up for me. If you want to spew all your froth and anger on me for that, go on right ahead.

Just because you associate him with a pig, does that make it ok to say it over and over again? If I associate Federer with a Nazi because that's how he looks in his red and black, is it ok if I say it over and over again?

nobama
10-21-2005, 11:18 PM
Hey, at least no one is whining about blue clay or Madrid being "the new clay". :lol:

Rogiman
10-21-2005, 11:21 PM
Fuck off, Star, who gives a fuck whether you do or do not like Ron's kind of humor.

If it were up to you humor would not even exist because someone might get "offended", and you are, of course, "considerate".

Spare your farts.

ExpectedWinner
10-21-2005, 11:30 PM
Just because you associate him with a pig, does that make it ok to say it over and over again? If I associate Federer with a Nazi because that's how he looks in his red and black, is it ok if I say it over and over again?


How low can we go? I hope people are just pretending that they don't get the difference between animal nicknames (no matter how offensive they may sound in some religions) and Nazi who are responsible for crimes against humanity.

jenanun
10-21-2005, 11:39 PM
How low can we go? I hope people are just pretending that they don't get the difference between animlal nicknames (no matter how offensive they may sound in some religions) and Nazi who are responsible for crimes against humanity.

you are right, but then, pigs can be really offensive to some religion and culture that you can never imagine! it may just sound the same as nazi to them! i know it sounds ridiculous (sorry no offence..... :rolleyes: ) but i guess we should respect people who have a different religion or culture to us...

Scotso
10-21-2005, 11:40 PM
Fuck off, Star, who gives a fuck whether you do or do not like Ron's kind of humor.

If it were up to you humor would not even exist because someone might get "offended", and you are, of course, "considerate".

Spare your farts.

Very angry. Were you a lonely child?

star
10-21-2005, 11:40 PM
Exactly, how low can we go? Who is to say what the next acceptable step is.

I picked something I knew was offensive because that's the only way to make the point with RonE who is very sure that what he does is all right no matter who is offended.

Rogiman
10-21-2005, 11:44 PM
Seeing as people's sense of humor has severely dwindled I guess we need to change the title of this site to www.church.com (although that joke about the virgin getting pregnant due to god was pretty good, I must admit :lol: ).

Castafiore
10-21-2005, 11:44 PM
Well, some people do find calling somebody a pig very offensive but we're not going to convince RonE to stop using it because that's his sense of humor regardless of how others perceive it.
I don't think he means to be that offensive actually but he sure as hell did not invent that nickname as a compliment either.

Calling somebody a Nazi is more offensive, in my opinion but then again, I was amazed to see somebody using the 'Nazi' nickname for another poster in here and they didn't seem to find that nickname over the top either. :shrug:


Anyway....Well done, Rafa. :)

Rogiman
10-21-2005, 11:53 PM
Very angry. Were you a lonely child?

Oh my god, you've just insulted the world's lonely children population - what would happen if one of them read this thread by any chance - has it ever occured to you?!?

And Star, I'm sooooo offended by Kim's cleavage in your avatar - could you please remove it...?

Bunch of hypocrites.

ExpectedWinner
10-21-2005, 11:55 PM
I've just noticed that NHL is not overly concerned about offending some groups of people. :lol:

New Jersey Devils

Pittsburgh Penguins

Florida Panthers

Chicago Blackhawks

Phoenix Coyotes

San Jose Sharks

Anaheim Mighty Ducks

Atlanta Trashers

No Pigs though.

Deivid23
10-21-2005, 11:56 PM
Radek, in this tournament you've won a new fan! friendly guy! ;)

He also won a lot of new dislikers after his stupid attitude in his match against Acasuso

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 12:03 AM
He also won a lot of new dislikers after his stupid attitude in his match against Acasuso

It's safe to say you weren't one of them, if you see what I mean. ;)

Alvarillo
10-22-2005, 12:13 AM
He also won a lot of new dislikers after his stupid attitude in his match against Acasuso

what happened?

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 12:18 AM
Read Deivid's Madrid recaps thread - one thing he mentions is Stepanek's homage to Agassi as he walked off court, which I assume was the same thing that he did tonight in hilariously inappropriate fashion (obviously the crowd appreciated his effort, but that shouldn't be the farewell of someone who's just lost in reasonably routine fashion).

Deivid23
10-22-2005, 12:28 AM
It's safe to say you weren't one of them, if you see what I mean. ;)

Quite safe, I can´t stand this guy since some years ago ;)

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 12:31 AM
He's my kind of player, I have to admit. When they showed the players warming up, the presenters on my TV channel talked for a long time over the shots of Nadal about his charisma, his presence on the court, the exciting package that he brings to the game with his looks and behaviour... and then they cut across to Stepanek, and one of them said flatly, "And then you have the complete opposite in this man." Brilliant stuff! Wherever shallow teenyboppers are to be found disliking someone entirely because of their looks (not that you dislike him for that reason, of course), without paying much attention to their tennis, I shall be there to support said player.

Deivid23
10-22-2005, 12:34 AM
He's my kind of player, I have to admit. When they showed the players warming up, the presenters on my TV channel talked for a long time over the shots of Nadal about his charisma, his presence on the court, the exciting package that he brings to the game with his looks and behaviour... and then they cut across to Stepanek, and one of them said flatly, "And then you have the complete opposite in this man." Brilliant stuff! Wherever shallow teenyboppers are to be found disliking someone entirely because of their looks (not that you dislike him for that reason, of course), without paying much attention to their tennis, I shall be there to support said player.

You will learn to dislike him after you witness more of his stupid behaviours on court ;)

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 12:40 AM
You will learn to dislike him after you witness more of his stupid behaviours on court ;)

I've watched him since mid-2002 and seen plenty of his behaviour, and it hasn't turned me against him yet, believe it or not. ;) So long as Nadal is down the other end bouncing around on his heels for the coin toss, then doing his best triple jump impersonation after winning important points, I will find nothing to object to in Stepanek's body language. And yes, I know you have told me that they are different things, but on the screen they're one and the same to me.

Deivid23
10-22-2005, 12:48 AM
I've watched him since mid-2002 and seen plenty of his behaviour, and it hasn't turned me against him yet, believe it or not. ;) So long as Nadal is down the other end bouncing around on his heels for the coin toss, then doing his best triple jump impersonation after winning important points, I will find nothing to object to in Stepanek's body language. And yes, I know you have told me that they are different things, but on the screen they're one and the same to me.

Respectable, that must be a difference between your character and mine, I´d like to punch Stepanek if I were his rival and I wouldn´t be bothered if some one triple-jumps and pumps himself up

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 12:53 AM
I'd feel like punching Nadal every time he leapt into the air and celebrated if I was across the net from him, so I know how you feel. Relentless, in-your-face positivity bothers me.

cecilija
10-22-2005, 02:20 AM
whats a weasel? :confused:
he was nicknamed the rabbit a while back, not exactly sure why :shrug: call him whatever you want, that doesn't change the fact that plenty of other players have nicknames like the one ron has given nadal, and nobody cries over it. being called a weasel like coria is far worse than a pig, but i'm pretty sure that both he and his fans sleep well enough at night.

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 02:21 AM
A long furry rodent, somewhat akin to a stoat or ferret.

tennischick
10-22-2005, 04:23 AM
Tennis

The Times October 20, 2005

Spanish pirate out to make Federer walk the plank
By Neil Harman

Our correspondent on Rafael Nadal’s plan to be master in Madrid
ALTHOUGH Andy Murray may contend differently, there is only one man in tennis who gives Roger Federer the quivers. Rafael Nadal won a match yesterday on one good leg, which rather gets to the heart of the 19-year-old and the impact he is having on a sport that used to be known for its genteel, garden-party environment.

Ask Nadal to a garden party and he will greet the hosts graciously, for he is polite to the point of bashfulness, but do not ask him to play a tennis match because the grass would be torn to shreds, the neighbours would wonder what his curdling cry of “vamos” meant and, if they were enticed to peer over the fence, they would be confronted by a piratical leviathan who is actually not half as chilling as he looks.

Chilled would be more appropriate, for Nadal has one simple desire in life. He is about winning tennis matches and the chances are that he is going to be doing a lot more of that as the years pass. While he is about it, Nadal is attracting to his chosen sport youngsters who want to be like him. In deepest Berkshire, at my own club, when the junior co-ordinator asks youngsters with rackets that are often bigger than them who they are going to be today, it is a toss-up between Nadal and Murray.

Tennis cannot buy that. What it has to do is make sure that it does not run him into the ground, that tournament directors who lose him to legitimate injuries do not promulgate absurd untruths about his withdrawal, that he develops (look at his physique and it looks as if he has developed already) at a pace that suits with a minimum of intrusion and a maximum of support. That is easier said than done, given that there are 34 weeks on the ATP Tour, 54 tournaments to squeeze into that timeframe and everyone wants Nadal.

He actually felt compelled to hold a press conference here in Madrid a few days ago, just to reassure the local public and a sceptical press that he was playing. Seeing was believing. All of Spain is in raptures, which brings a different kind of problem because there are those — Juan Carlos Ferrero to the fore — who have become a bit miffed that the youngster receives so much acclaim.

But Ferrero, nice man that he is, is not a Nadal and never will be. He was never a crowd-rouser, he does not have the mannerisms, exhibit the sheer joy of playing or show off the prominent muscles which just add to the allure of the teenager. Ferrero is a muck-and-nettles player who, although a grand-slam champion, cannot disguise the fact that an autograph session for him would speedily disband when Nadal came into view.

That is the way it goes. If Nadal can overcome his niggling knee problem and reach the final here, not only would Spain rejoice, but he would then have overcome Federer, the world No 1 from Switzerland, in one significant detail — 78 wins this year to 77.

“But you mean that Federer has still won more matches than me this year — how does he do that?” Nadal asks. He knows, though, that he is the one player living who can get under Federer’s skin, as the French Open semi-final this year showed with a famous victory for Nadal. Of the seven Masters events this year, Federer has won four, Nadal three.

“For me, what I have done already this year is unbelieveable,” Nadal said. “I never expected this to happen for me so fast, but I am ready for what comes next. I know I have a lot of expectations on me but that is the way tennis is. Coming back to the tour after three weeks off and to play in front of a Spanish crowd, it is a little bit crazy.

“When I am at home in Majorca, I can do the usual things and still no one takes much notice of me, I can be normal. Here it is a little bit different (as he found when he took his seat at the Bernabéu for Real Madrid versus Rosenborg last night), but so many people want to come and watch me practise, to be near to me. It is unbelieveable support and it is a reason to improve, which is what I need to do.”

For the final three tournaments of the year, here, in Paris and at the Masters Cup in Shanghai, the “pirata” three-quarter length trousers have been left in the cupboard. In discussions with Nike, his clothing sponsor, Nadal proposed that he tried more normal shorts for a while. “I just wanted to see how the shorts felt again, I like them,” he said. “Just a change, nothing permanent. The piratas will be back in Australia (for the Australian Open in January).”

England will be seeing more of Nadal close up, which cannot be a bad thing for those marketing men who should use his decision to play at Queen’s Club, West London, in the Stella Artois Championships for the next two years (“it is the perfect preparation for Wimbledon, I hear it is a lovely tournament”) as reason to utilise the freshness and vitality that he brings to the game. He is what tennis needs and what tennis wants. We can only cherish him.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5205-1834100,00.html

VingaRafel
10-22-2005, 04:24 AM
http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/animal/animal0026.gif

Well done.

You sure can hate. That's alright. All the things you do in life end up coming back to you.

tennisinparis
10-22-2005, 05:08 AM
so basically you are a fan of the emotionless?? just wondering.

I'd feel like punching Nadal every time he leapt into the air and celebrated if I was across the net from him, so I know how you feel. Relentless, in-your-face positivity bothers me.

NYCtennisfan
10-22-2005, 06:08 AM
I've watched him since mid-2002 and seen plenty of his behaviour, and it hasn't turned me against him yet, believe it or not. So long as Nadal is down the other end bouncing around on his heels for the coin toss, then doing his best triple jump impersonation after winning important points, I will find nothing to object to in Stepanek's body language. And yes, I know you have told me that they are different things, but on the screen they're one and the same to me.

There's a reason why most players on tour do not like Stepanek. Yes, Nadal doing his bit would bother me as an opposing player. Not as a fan but as an opposing player for sure.

TennisLurker
10-22-2005, 06:11 AM
Why are this trousers called pirates?

That is insensitive to all the spaniards who died defending the Spanish Treasure Fleet from English, French, Dutch pirates.

I demand his pants be renamed "Convoy Captain"

Action Jackson
10-22-2005, 06:14 AM
There's a reason why most players on tour do not like Stepanek. Yes, Nadal doing his bit would bother me as an opposing player. Not as a fan but as an opposing player for sure.

It depends on the individual, if a player is trying to hook and influence line calls and umpires, someone like McEnroe is definitely an individual whose head would need to meet a fist with his shenanigans.

oneandonlyhsn
10-22-2005, 08:09 AM
You sure can hate. That's alright. All the things you do in life end up coming back to you.

OMG people here are too sensitive at times, anyway well done Rafa :yeah:

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 11:44 AM
Hmm, friendliness... is this the way to Alvarillo? ;)

*Note: this appalling pun may only be appreciated by those familiar with the musical output of Tony Christie*

:rolls:

Clara Bow
10-22-2005, 01:51 PM
It depends on the individual, if a player is trying to hook and influence line calls and umpires, someone like McEnroe is definitely an individual whose head would need to meet a fist with his shenanigans.

I personally think that that is much worse than cheering after points. In a way I think if players are bothered by Hewitt's lawnmowers, Nadal's fist pumps, or Radek's skip-aroos they need to get a better focus because I don't see how that would affect any outcome of any point. Cheering after points doesn't bother me as a fan and I don't think would bother me as a professional player.

On the other hand, what does bother me is when players berate or yell at the linespeople/umpires. In particular if it is done in a way to really disrupt the match and/or in an attempt to start getting calls your way. That's one think that I really hated about Connors (about the only player that I have ever flat-out disliked). It bugged me with Johnny Mac -his tirades during his infamous match against one of the Gulicksons (sp?) were about the worst ever and he should have been yanked out of the match. And although I like Hewitt's fight on court- he can be a real ass to the umps, linespeople which bugs.

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 01:55 PM
so basically you are a fan of the emotionless?? just wondering.

I thought this would have been obvious with a glance at my username and avatar. Stepanek is something of an exception, but then I like him for his game, not his demeanour.

tennisinparis
10-22-2005, 02:10 PM
ha ha....do you enjoy watching billiards on television? wouldn't that have to be like your favorite sport.


I thought this would have been obvious with a glance at my username and avatar. Stepanek is something of an exception, but then I like him for his game, not his demeanour.

RonE
10-22-2005, 02:12 PM
Those are NOT complimentary nicknames. And yes, people have objected to those nicknames, but just like you, the people who made them up didn't care.


The proof of the eating is in the pudding- they still get called those names and eventually people learned to accept it and ignore the Duck Hunt or Weasel Popping and even Rabbit Hunting threads.


Because your favorite players have been called nasty names, you should be more sensitive to it rather than less sensitive.


Perhaps you need to read my last post again- I couldn't give a hoot about what some haters call my favourite players they are entitled to do so, I just ignore them and move on which for some reason you and a few other people seem to be unable to do.


No, because YOU don't get to pick a name you are happy with and then say you are broad minded. How about calling him "The Blitzkrieg" or "SS Man" or simply "Nazi" Is that ok with you?


As I said, you can call him whatever you like I don't care. If it turns your buttons on go right ahead.


I doubt that Nadal is reading this board or cares at all about you RonE. I do think that you are offending a lot of Nadal fans with your insistence on calling Nadal an insulting name


It is only the over-sensitive fans who are kicking up such a fuss over the whole thing with you spearheading them.


Just because you associate him with a pig, does that make it ok to say it over and over again? If I associate Federer with a Nazi because that's how he looks in his red and black, is it ok if I say it over and over again?

As I said before you can call him whatever you like- just keep in mind you will probably get much harsher responses by others for doing so than I have gotten for calling Nadal Piggy.

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 02:17 PM
ha ha....do you enjoy watching billiards on television? wouldn't that have to be like your favorite sport.

Nope, because billiards (snooker on this side of the Channel) is not an interesting sport to me. Strange though it may seem to you, I follow tennis so I can watch tennis, not "personalities".

tennisinparis
10-22-2005, 02:22 PM
ah ok, just seemed like a logical conclusion, i mean i find the sports somewhat similar, it is about placing the ball, it is about keeping the opponent away from the ball, etc. And it is low emotion, so I just thought it fit. I understand watching tennis for the tennis. But something else I love about tennis is the refined emotions of the game. It isn't utterly boring nor is it so out of control. It is a great middle ground of emotions. Anyway, guess I was just kind of wondering. Let me ask you one last question, does personality play any factor in who you like as a tennis player?

Nope, because billiards (snooker on this side of the Channel) is not an interesting sport to me. Strange though it may seem to you, I follow tennis so I can watch tennis, not "personalities".

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 02:29 PM
They're similar in a tactical sense, but tennis has the athleticism that snooker will never have - in fact, a PE teacher once told me that the latter isn't really a sport in the same sense as football, rugby, tennis et al because it doesn't involve dynamic movement. Anyway, of course personality plays a factor - every tennis player has one, despite what naysaying journalists would have you believe. I like people who try hard and get on with it without being ostentatious, the kind of people everyone else would label boring.

tennisinparis
10-22-2005, 02:34 PM
yes the dynamic movement is the biggest difference. and i love people who try and argue sports are not sports(i am not talking about you, i am just talking in general), because how do you label a sport a sport? i understand what you mean by the 'boring' labeled player. I guess I am a fan of one of those 'boring' players, Lindsay Davenport, and I guess you could consider Kim Clijsters too. Anyway, sorry I was just kind of being a little nosy trying to learn some stuff about how you think, who you support, etc.


They're similar in a tactical sense, but tennis has the athleticism that snooker will never have - in fact, a PE teacher once told me that the latter isn't really a sport in the same sense as football, rugby, tennis et al because it doesn't involve dynamic movement. Anyway, of course personality plays a factor - every tennis player has one, despite what naysaying journalists would have you believe. I like people who try hard and get on with it without being ostentatious, the kind of people everyone else would label boring.

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 02:36 PM
No problem. Now you see, I find Davenport boring too, but that's because of her game, not her personality (although I do dislike it when she goes into whining, self-critical mode when she's losing, but that's a different subject).

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 02:38 PM
No problem. Now you see, I find Davenport boring too, but that's because of her game, not her personality (although I do dislike it when she goes into whining, self-critical mode when she's losing, but that's a different subject).
Roger does that as well by the way ;)

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 02:41 PM
Roger does that as well by the way ;)

Not really. The only ones this year that I can really think of are the two matches against Nadal, when he got rattled during both. If he kept up a running commentary to himself after every lost point and bad error, and moped around the court hanging his head and looking like a taciturn and surly adolescent (which I'm sure is exactly how he behaved a few years ago), I would not be a fan.

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 02:42 PM
Not really. The only ones this year that I can really think of are the two matches against Nadal, when he got rattled during both. If he kept up a running commentary to himself after every lost point and bad error, and moped around the court hanging his head and looking like a taciturn and surly adolescent (which I'm sure is exactly how he behaved a few years ago), I would not be a fan.
He does his little 'aaaaaaaaaaaay' when he hits a bad shot when he's playing badly. Personally I think its worthy of a ban from tennis.

tennisinparis
10-22-2005, 02:44 PM
understandable, her game is not the greatest game in the world, and i do find her a little boring to watch in the same way i find federere a little boring to watch(don't mistake that as meaning they have the same game). i find them sometimes both boring to watch because they somehow most of the times overpower people and it just doesn't lead to great points, etc. and the thing i love about lindsay davenport is how she plays tennis, wins or loses, and doesn't make a big deal of tennis like some other people, i just like that she is low profile. as far as her whining goes, i do think she beats herself up too much. when momentum shifts from her, she starts to beat herself up and ends up just falling apart. i find her mental part of the game to be the weakest, but it is spotty, sometimes it is strong and sometimes it is just really weak. anyway, maybe this is too much information. And I enjoy Kim in the same way I enjoy Nadal, they are both scrappy players that just have an overwhelming desire to win. I mean a lot of times they are outmatched, but somehow put up a fight. Just another side note, i rarely like a player because of their personality to start off with, but I will dislike a player right off the bat because of their personality. Is that contradictory maybe?

No problem. Now you see, I find Davenport boring too, but that's because of her game, not her personality (although I do dislike it when she goes into whining, self-critical mode when she's losing, but that's a different subject).

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 02:46 PM
He does his little 'aaaaaaaaaaaay' when he hits a bad shot when he's playing badly. Personally I think its worthy of a ban from tennis.

At the moment his feet seem to be agreeing with you.

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 02:47 PM
On the subject of personalities, the players I like have to be charismatic. Nadal, Murray, Coria etc are all very entertaining to watch. Roddick used to be great when he first came onto the scene, but he seems to have gone into an 'I don't really care much anymore' mode.

nobama
10-22-2005, 02:47 PM
He does his little 'aaaaaaaaaaaay' when he hits a bad shot when he's playing badly. Personally I think its worthy of a ban from tennis.But not after every shot. Still, what Davenport does is no where near as annoying as the shrieks coming from Sharapova and V Williams. That Wimbledon match was embarrassing to watch.

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 02:51 PM
But not after every shot. Still, what Davenport does is no where near as annoying as the shrieks coming from Sharapova and V Williams. That Wimbledon match was embarrassing to watch.
I'm finding more ways to dislike him, give me time :o

Sharapova's shrieks aren't actually as bad as they seem on tv I find. When I actually went to watch her, I found another habit of hers a lot more annoying that I had never previously realised. Just before she's about to return a serve she'll slap her thigh with her hand. No idea why, but every time she does it without fail and it really, really annoyed me.

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 02:52 PM
On the subject of personalities, the players I like have to be charismatic. Nadal, Murray, Coria etc are all very entertaining to watch. Roddick used to be great when he first came onto the scene, but he seems to have gone into an 'I don't really care much anymore' mode.

See my signature for more of my opinions on charisma.

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 02:54 PM
I'm finding more ways to dislike him, give me time :o

Sharapova's shrieks aren't actually as bad as they seem on tv I find. When I actually went to watch her, I found another habit of hers a lot more annoying that I had never previously realised. Just before she's about to return a serve she'll slap her thigh with her hand. No idea why, but every time she does it without fail and it really, really annoyed me.

Sometimes, you can try a little too hard to find ways to hate someone. ;) I dislike Nadal's strangled yelps of "Vamos!", for instance. :p

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 02:54 PM
See my signature for more of my opinions on charisma.
Did Rafa=Fed Killa influence your signature :o

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 02:55 PM
A touch. ;)

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 02:56 PM
Sometimes, you can try a little too hard to find ways to hate someone. ;) I dislike Nadal's strangled yelps of "Vamos!", for instance. :p
I dislike when Federer pretends to be overcome with emotion when he wins. See:
1) US Open 2004 vs Hewitt
2) Wimbledon 2005 vs Roddick
3) US Open 2005 vs Agassi

Hewitt he was 6-0 7-6 5-0 up, I hardly think he hadn't thought about winning the match. Surely it wasn't necessary to collapse in a heap of emotion.

ExpectedWinner
10-22-2005, 02:58 PM
He does his little 'aaaaaaaaaaaay' when he hits a bad shot when he's playing badly. Personally I think its worthy of a ban from tennis.

I'm not in the greatest mood today. What the hell is this? An attempt to be witty?

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 02:59 PM
I'm not in the greatest mood today. What's the hell is this? An attempt to be witty?
It wasn't 100% serious no.

tennisinparis
10-22-2005, 02:59 PM
don't you find it interesting that there is always this war of words between roger and whoever number 2 is? like roger vs. hewitt, roger vs. andy, roger vs. nadal, etc. i mean it is understandable, because some people don't want anyone to come close to federer, and some people are just waiting for someone to dethrown him. It just makes me laugh, it is like a fad. Who is next up for war of words with Roger?

nobama
10-22-2005, 03:00 PM
I dislike when Federer pretends to be overcome with emotion when he wins. See:
1) US Open 2004 vs Hewitt
2) Wimbledon 2005 vs Roddick
3) US Open 2005 vs Agassi

Hewitt he was 6-0 7-6 5-0 up, I hardly think he hadn't thought about winning the match. Surely it wasn't necessary to collapse in a heap of emotion.These are quite pathetic. Keep trying.

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 03:03 PM
I dislike when Federer pretends to be overcome with emotion when he wins. See:
1) US Open 2004 vs Hewitt
2) Wimbledon 2005 vs Roddick
3) US Open 2005 vs Agassi

Hewitt he was 6-0 7-6 5-0 up, I hardly think he hadn't thought about winning the match. Surely it wasn't necessary to collapse in a heap of emotion.

I agree, three-quarter Slams are nothing special after all considering that someone manages them once every fifteen years.

I understand you are not being serious, so I offer this in response: ;)

On the other hand, if you are being serious, then you are being an arseclown.

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 03:03 PM
These are quite pathetic. Keep trying.
:sad: how about.......
I hate the fact that he says 'come on' when he's playing at Wimbledon, and 'allez' when he's playing anywhere else. He's clearly only doing it to try and connect with the crowd.

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 03:05 PM
:sad: how about.......
I hate the fact that he says 'come on' when he's playing at Wimbledon, and 'allez' when he's playing anywhere else. He's clearly only doing it to try and connect with the crowd.

Nadal's hair is an awful, straggly mess. My word, how can one ever be a great of the future with hair like that?

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 03:08 PM
Nadal's hair is an awful, straggly mess. My word, how can one ever be a great of the future with hair like that?
Nadal has nice slick straight hair. Federer's is all over the place, curly, messy, basically a mop.

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 03:10 PM
In actual fact, I think this year they are both tied in the bad hair stakes. Federer looked so much better with the ponytail, but no one seems to agree with me.

This is an amusing diversion, but if I keep it up then I am no better than the people who post crotch pics of an afternoon in GM.

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 03:13 PM
In actual fact, I think this year they are both tied in the bad hair stakes. Federer looked so much better with the ponytail, but no one seems to agree with me.

This is an amusing diversion, but if I keep it up then I am no better than the people who post crotch pics of an afternoon in GM.
:haha: I'm waiting for mirkaland's thoughts on my 'come on' argument

ExpectedWinner
10-22-2005, 03:14 PM
:sad: how about.......
I hate the fact that he says 'come on' when he's playing at Wimbledon, and 'allez' when he's playing anywhere else. He's clearly only doing it to try and connect with the crowd.

Isn't Safin great then? :p All over the world he screams "eб твою мать", which means " f**k your mother". :devil:

dkw
10-22-2005, 03:30 PM
I hate the fact that he says 'come on' when he's playing at Wimbledon, and 'allez' when he's playing anywhere else. He's clearly only doing it to try and connect with the crowd.

:haha: :haha: :haha: Clearly, clearly!

Either that or he's trying to prove he's an international man of mystery, you know speaking all those languages and such. Ohh Roger! you're so sexy!

dkw
10-22-2005, 03:45 PM
:haha: :haha: In fact this is my new personal nickname for him... Roger Sexbomb as in the Bomb drops in Shanghai!!

Yeah I'm cracking myself up.

star
10-22-2005, 03:48 PM
The proof of the eating is in the pudding- they still get called those names and eventually people learned to accept it and ignore the Duck Hunt or Weasel Popping and even Rabbit Hunting threads.

Exactly my point. You are attempting to get the "pig" name to stick on Nadal just as those other names have stuck. This to me is an amazing goal to have, and I just can't fathom your motive.



As I said before you can call him whatever you like- just keep in mind you will probably get much harsher responses by others for doing so than I have gotten for calling Nadal Piggy.

But, I don't want to call Federer names anymore than I want to call any other player names, because it is simply bully boy behavior.

star
10-22-2005, 03:49 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: Clearly, clearly!

Either that or he's trying to prove he's an international man of mystery, you know speaking all those languages and such. Ohh Roger! you're so sexy!

Well, that and he has actually said in one of his interviews: "I am an international man." That cracked me up. :lol: :lol:

PaulieM
10-22-2005, 03:57 PM
:sad: how about.......
I hate the fact that he says 'come on' when he's playing at Wimbledon, and 'allez' when he's playing anywhere else. He's clearly only doing it to try and connect with the crowd.
yeah that's definitely it, he's totally a phony. anybody that speaks more than one language knows that different things come out in different languages sometimes at random, sometimes whether or not the people around you will understand that language. if i had a nickel for each time i've randomly said something in either german or french completely out of the blue despite the fact that english is my first language i'd be rich . you really try too hard. :shrug:

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 03:59 PM
I'll tell you what, you know you've been following Federer for too long when every time you make an error at work or home, you shout "Nein!" to yourself. :o

PaulieM
10-22-2005, 04:04 PM
I'll tell you what, you know you've been following Federer for too long when every time you make an error at work or home, you shout "Nein!" to yourself. :o
:haha:

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 04:06 PM
yeah that's definitely it, he's totally a phony. anybody that speaks more than one language knows that different things come out in different languages sometimes at random, sometimes whether or not the people around you will understand that language. if i had a nickel for each time i've randomly said something in either german or french completely out of the blue despite the fact that english is my first language i'd be rich . you really try too hard. :shrug:
A natural reaction would be to say it in your mother tongue, no doubt about it. I don't hear Hewitt shouting Vamos or Nadal shouting C'mon.

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 04:08 PM
Oh, big deal. Is it natural for Federer as a European to follow cricket, to the bemusement of his fellow Swiss players? Maybe that, rather like his use of English on the court, is the result of having a South African mother.

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 04:10 PM
Oh, big deal. Is it natural for Federer as a European to follow cricket, to the bemusement of his fellow Swiss players? Maybe that, rather like his use of English on the court, is the result of having a South African mother.
I'm only messing around. But that was a shocking comparision :tape:

PaulieM
10-22-2005, 04:11 PM
A natural reaction would be to say it in your mother tongue, no doubt about it. I don't hear Hewitt shouting Vamos or Nadal shouting C'mon.
your mother tongue might be more natural but that doesn't mean you don't get random impulses to use other languages you speak. it also depends on the situation, for me a least if i'm mad sometimes german just expresses that better than english or french. as for hewitt, does he even speak spanish? i'm not talking about shouting stuff in random languages, i'm talking about languages you speak fluently.

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 04:12 PM
I'm only messing around. But that was a shocking comparision :tape:

Yes, your comparison with Nadal and Hewitt was shocking.

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 04:15 PM
your mother tongue might be more natural but that doesn't mean you don't get random impulses to use other languages you speak. it also depends on the situation, for me a least if i'm mad sometimes german just expresses that better than english or french. as for hewitt, does he even speak spanish? i'm not talking about shouting stuff in random languages, i'm talking about languages you speak fluently.
I'll take your word on it, I've never had those impulses myself....

Anyway, enough Federer-bashing from me, I noticed I have a long awaited clash with the Croatians on the cards :D

nobama
10-22-2005, 04:20 PM
:haha: I'm waiting for mirkaland's thoughts on my 'come on' argumentNot much better, but at least you're trying. ;)

I've got one for both....I hate it when Rafa messes with his socks, ala Rusedski, before a point, but I also hate it that Roger has decided to go with the old man look and pull his socks up practically to his knees. My dad does that but then he's 67 years old and doesn't know any better.

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 04:21 PM
Not much better, but at least you're trying. ;)

I've got one for both....I hate it when Rafa messes with his socks, ala Rusedski, before a point, but I also hate it that Roger has decided to go with the old man look and pull his socks up practically to his knees. My dad does that but then he's 67 years old and doesn't know any better.
:haha: not bad

nobama
10-22-2005, 04:22 PM
In actual fact, I think this year they are both tied in the bad hair stakes. Federer looked so much better with the ponytail, but no one seems to agree with me.

This is an amusing diversion, but if I keep it up then I am no better than the people who post crotch pics of an afternoon in GM.Roger's hair is fine if he keeps it short enough but when he's constantly pushing it behind his ears to keep it out of his eyes that gets annoying. You think he would get annoyed by that and get it trimmed.

PaulieM
10-22-2005, 04:23 PM
Not much better, but at least you're trying. ;)

I've got one for both....I hate it when Rafa messes with his socks, ala Rusedski, before a point, but I also hate it that Roger has decided to go with the old man look and pull his socks up practically to his knees. My dad does that but then he's 67 years old and doesn't know any better.
:lol: i like roger's old man sock look. it's better than the no sock look that mardy fish tried for a while.

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 04:24 PM
Roger's hair is fine if he keeps it short enough but when he's constantly pushing it behind his ears to keep it out of his eyes that gets annoying. You think he would get annoyed by that and get it trimmed.
Now if he had beautifully straight hair like the perfect young Spaniard then the problem would be solved.

nobama
10-22-2005, 04:26 PM
:lol: i like roger's old man sock look. it's better than the no sock look that mardy fish tried for a while.Ok, that would be worse...or as bad as Gaudio's blue socks. :tape:

nobama
10-22-2005, 04:28 PM
Now if he had beautifully straight hair like the perfect young Spaniard then the problem would be solved.Problem would be solved, but his hair would look like sh*t. But then I never cared for the ninja look either.

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 04:30 PM
Problem would be solved, but his hair would look like sh*t. But then I never cared for the ninja look either.
He doesn't suit the greasy look I suppose. He couldn't pull off the capris or the skin-tight top look either. Rafa is clearly vastly superior.

PaulieM
10-22-2005, 04:33 PM
He doesn't suit the greasy look I suppose. He couldn't pull off the capris or the skin-tight top look either. Rafa is clearly vastly superior.
if only roger could be half as awesomely wonderful as rafa. he really needs some help, maybe the condom shirt is a place to start.

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 04:35 PM
if only roger could be half as awesomely wonderful as rafa. he really needs some help, maybe the condom shirt is a place to start.
If only........

nobama
10-22-2005, 04:37 PM
He doesn't suit the greasy look I suppose. He couldn't pull off the capris or the skin-tight top look either. Rafa is clearly vastly superior.In the physique department, yes.

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 04:38 PM
In the physique department, yes.
In every way :)

adee-gee
10-22-2005, 04:39 PM
Ok, I'm going to stop now. I think people might be beginning to think I'm being serious now.

PaulieM
10-22-2005, 04:41 PM
In the physique department, yes.
nah i like my men a little "skinnier" like roger, nice muscles but not bigger than his head. :)

RonE
10-22-2005, 04:45 PM
I can't believe this thread is still going :rolls:

Exactly my point. You are attempting to get the "pig" name to stick on Nadal just as those other names have stuck. This to me is an amazing goal to have, and I just can't fathom your motive.

Not that it ever has been a 'goal' of mine as you so put it but even if it were, I wouldn't have to work too hard when I have you doing all the work with your categorical whining :)



But, I don't want to call Federer names anymore than I want to call any other player names, because it is simply bully boy behavior.

Then don't. As I said I don't care either way.

Federer looked so much better with the ponytail, but no one seems to agree with me.


You have my concurrence ;) In fact I have been advocating the return of the ponytail for quite some time now as many people will attest :p

PaulieM
10-22-2005, 04:47 PM
You have my concurrence ;) In fact I have been advocating the return of the ponytail for quite some time now as many people will attest :p
join the club! :)
if the new vcash rules are still there, you must be collecting quite a bit. :p

Deivid23
10-22-2005, 05:47 PM
A natural reaction would be to say it in your mother tongue, no doubt about it. I don't hear Hewitt shouting Vamos or Nadal shouting C'mon.

Nadal has said "Come on!" during a match a lot of times :shrug: