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DC Final. Karlovic or Ancic?

adee-gee
10-19-2005, 10:03 PM
The way the 2 are performing I'd be tempted to play Karlovic in the singles with Ljubicic, and playing Ancic/Ljubicic in the doubles. The lightning quick court will make him close to unbreakable. Also throw in the fact that there are question marks over Mario's ability to perform under pressure and you've got to think Karlovic would be the more sensible pick. Who would you have?

gooner88
10-19-2005, 10:05 PM
The reasons given for Karlovic not being selected to play is that he doesn't thrive as well in a team environment and is too shy.
On current form, I would play Karlovic in singles ahead of Ancic.

RickDaStick
10-19-2005, 10:06 PM
Ancic will most likely play, but i rather see Karlo, he will be unbreakable also he cant do worse then Ancic, who hasnt won a live singles match this year in DC.

lilfairyprincess
10-19-2005, 10:06 PM
well would they rather they had a *sociable* player or one who may help them win the title..i think, unless mario gets his act together soon, that they shud play ivo!

tennismaster882001
10-19-2005, 10:07 PM
At this moment Karlovic is better option, but there is still a lot that can happen till DCF!

croat123
10-19-2005, 10:16 PM
karlo is better, mario will get the spot though

but it doesn't matter because ivan is gonna get us three points anyways

adee-gee
10-19-2005, 10:18 PM
6-0 Ivo :eek: I bet thats the first time he's won anything 6-0, I can't imagine he's dished out too many bagels in his life with his returning ability :p

Clara Bow
10-19-2005, 10:18 PM
The reasons given for Karlovic not being selected to play is that he doesn't thrive as well in a team environment and is too shy.
I have heard a good number of reports about Ivo being really shy. Is it because he stutters?

lilfairyprincess
10-19-2005, 10:20 PM
I have heard a good number of reports about Ivo being really shy. Is it because he stuttters?

i would have thot he stutters because he is shy..who knows :shrug:

RickDaStick
10-19-2005, 10:49 PM
I say if Karlo beats the Dom tomorrow then he should play

revolution
10-19-2005, 10:59 PM
Karlovic is unbreakable, but he can lose tie breakers, and he is a lottery when he plays, so there are no guarantees, and if it goes the marathon in a fifth set he's doomed.

Scotso
10-19-2005, 11:00 PM
Karlovic has been broken before... and how do you think he'll respond to 4,500 people cheering against him?

Puhleeze... to play Karlovic instead of Ancic is DC suicide.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
10-20-2005, 12:17 AM
Vote for Ivo. :rocker2: Even though he probably won't be picked in DC final,next year he should play instead of Mario. :boxing: It's sad but true that Mario can't win a single match in DC at all,why won't have a change? :shrug:

Fergie
10-20-2005, 12:24 AM
karlo is better, mario will get the spot though

but it doesn't matter because ivan is gonna get us three points anyways
I agree with you ;)

Jimnik
10-20-2005, 12:49 AM
How convenient! Ivo is due to play Hrbaty tomorrow and I wonder how interested the Croatian captian will be in this match.

Unfortunately, I think it is very unlikely to happen. Maybe he's played dead rubbers before but he hasn't got any real competitive DC experience and to make him play in the final would be to throw him in at the deep end. Besides, inspite of his recent results, Mario is ranked a lot higher than Ivo so it wouldn't make sense.

But I would love to see it happen.

edit: also, Mario has winning H2H records against both Hrbaty and Beck.

Horatio Caine
10-20-2005, 10:33 AM
The reasons given for Karlovic not being selected to play is that he doesn't thrive as well in a team environment and is too shy.
On current form, I would play Karlovic in singles ahead of Ancic.

Maybe the other players should make him feel more welcome :shrug:

I would play Karlovic in singles and Ancic in doubles with Ljubo ;)

Ancic has been hopeless in DC singles this year - the situation can't be any worse by playing Karlovic. Why aren't the Slovaks hosting it on indoor clay? :confused:

Action Jackson
10-20-2005, 11:06 AM
Maybe the other players should make him feel more welcome :shrug:

I would play Karlovic in singles and Ancic in doubles with Ljubo ;)

Ancic has been hopeless in DC singles this year - the situation can't be any worse by playing Karlovic. Why aren't the Slovaks hosting it on indoor clay? :confused:

Why aren't hosting the tie on indoor clay? Are you serious with that question? Think about the make up of the teams that should make it fairly clear as to why.

Horatio Caine
10-20-2005, 11:32 AM
Why aren't hosting the tie on indoor clay? Are you serious with that question? Think about the make up of the teams that should make it fairly clear as to why.

Well Hrbaty could have a good advantage over the 2 Croat singles players and that just leaves the doubles :shrug:

Ivan isn't looking like losing either point for Croatia in singles. That heaps a whole lot of pressure on Beck who hasn't exactly set the world alight recently.

Galaxystorm
10-20-2005, 12:16 PM
I think the tie must be played on the same surface than the previous ties, that is on that carpet where slovak players are adjusted and besides Beck has a good return on it . And in fact the surface is already elected and i think it's a good decision

About Jez's thought of choosing indoor clay : None of the four players ( hrbaty, beck, ljubicic and ancic ) are good claycourters, and if we have to classify them by their level on clay, in my opinion : 1) Hrbaty 2) Ljubicic 3) Ancic 4) Beck ( horrible claycourter )..

Hrbaty has very good stats playing on clay in DC , with a record of 7 wins and 3 losses ( counting only singles matches ), even a victory over Kuerten in Brazil and maybe if we look it from this point of view Jez's thought could have more logic..but i wouldn't choose indoor clay at all if i was slovak

Anyway on clay i guess Beck wouldn't play no singles matches and he would be replaced by another player as for example Kucera ( being in form, obviously)

revolution
10-20-2005, 04:46 PM
Ljubicic and Ancic are better clay court players than Beck, in fact maybe even Karlovic is! Therefore a quick court is a must.

CocoT_Do
10-20-2005, 07:40 PM
MARIO !!!!!

mrki_tua
10-20-2005, 08:37 PM
Well It's hard to change anything now, I would put Ljubičić and Karlović for singles, simply cause when Karlović plays TB is almost safe, Ančić has head problems (also I don't know how Ivo would react?). I was working on Dc and I've watched every training, and on the training Ančić was best, he beat even Ljubičić (they were playing on 1 set, Ljubičić is totaly relaxed on training, making jokes all the time, while Ančić is 100% motivated. Karlović is mystery, very calm and quiet...) and Karlović 7:6 so that's the reason (and probably ATP ranking and so on...) why he's in front of Karlović... But for pairs definitly Ljubičić/Ančić cause Ančić is one of best voley players I've watched, he's great on net... Also Ivanišević is training hard for DC finals, who knows, If there is going to be 3:1 for Croatia, I would be glad to see Ivanišević against let's say Beck :)

Papakori
10-20-2005, 08:38 PM
Karlovic!

Jimnik
10-20-2005, 10:31 PM
I think the tie must be played on the same surface than the previous ties, that is on that carpet where slovak players are adjusted and besides Beck has a good return on it . And in fact the surface is already elected and i think it's a good decision

About Jez's thought of choosing indoor clay : None of the four players ( hrbaty, beck, ljubicic and ancic ) are good claycourters, and if we have to classify them by their level on clay, in my opinion : 1) Hrbaty 2) Ljubicic 3) Ancic 4) Beck ( horrible claycourter )..

Hrbaty has very good stats playing on clay in DC , with a record of 7 wins and 3 losses ( counting only singles matches ), even a victory over Kuerten in Brazil and maybe if we look it from this point of view Jez's thought could have more logic..but i wouldn't choose indoor clay at all if i was slovak
But if we classified them by their level on indoor courts, I think it would be: 1)Ljubicic 2)Karlovic 3)Hrbaty 4)Beck 5)Ancic

I understand Slovakia's decision but I still think they made a mistake.

Jimnik
10-20-2005, 10:33 PM
Ljubicic and Ancic are better clay court players than Beck, in fact maybe even Karlovic is! Therefore a quick court is a must.
That's interesting. I wonder who would win between Beck and Karlovic, on clay.

fanancic
10-21-2005, 12:08 PM
Mario must play!!!

Even if he lost a lot of singles in simple this year(he won a match it was agains Hanescu and it is important even if it had no importance because they had already won)
Mario is better than Karlovic and even if he has a lot of pressure when he plays on DC he has more experience than Karlovic...
I hope he will play...

joeb_uk
10-21-2005, 12:22 PM
Ivo is a pure legend! I knew he would make a big rise up the rankings when i saw him kicking ass at surbiton and queens! I am sure if ivo improves even more, he will rise to maybe 30 or so!

IVO - Best serve in tennis, no doubt about it.

Jim Jones
10-21-2005, 12:47 PM
The Slovaks made a big mistake in not choosing clay. Hrbaty is a decent clay court player and though beck sucks on clay, the Croats don't excel on that surface either. Since Ancic and Lujbicic will possibly be the only players playing on live ties, clay would be grueling on them physically and they would be more tired then if they would be playing on hardcourts. But maybe Slovaks have no indoor clay courts.
Now that the tie is on hardcourts, Karlovic should play the 1st single tie in place of Ancic since one player on Croat side needs to be fresh for doubles. The reverse singles can have Ancic play. Let the best team win!

Galaxystorm
10-21-2005, 01:20 PM
The Slovaks made a big mistake in not choosing clay. Hrbaty is a decent clay court player and though beck sucks on clay, the Croats don't excel on that surface either. Since Ancic and Lujbicic will possibly be the only players playing on live ties, clay would be grueling on them physically and they would be more tired then if they would be playing on hardcourts. But maybe Slovaks have no indoor clay courts.
Now that the tie is on hardcourts, Karlovic should play the 1st single tie in place of Ancic since one player on Croat side needs to be fresh for doubles. The reverse singles can have Ancic play. Let the best team win!

I disagree.

Hrbaty would win Ancic or Karlovic on clay but although Hrbaty is better claycourter than Ljubicic i don't see Hrbaty is so superior over Ljubo on clay to ensure with 100% accuracy that Hrbaty would win... Dominik could have a bad day and Ljubo beats him...The difference between both players on clay isn't so big... In fact i would say that Hrbaty would have the 60% chances of winning and Ljubicic the 40% playing both players at his best on clay

And another fact is that Croatia would win both matches against Slovak number two player . Ljubo and Ancic would beat Beck and Kucera ( who's off form )..

Slovaks are gonna choose a surface when they know with 100% accuracy that they have two points lost beforehand ? I think the answer is obvious..

Besides Slovak carpet isn't a Taraflex like Paris or Basel, is a unique court different from the others surfaces on tour. Hrbaty and Beck know all the secrets of that court because they have practised on it a lot of times..

Although Croatia is the fave, playing on that indoor carpet Slovakia has chances to win , on the other hand playing on indoor clay they would start the tie with two points already lost and that's a big disadvantage beforehand

croat123
10-21-2005, 01:27 PM
But if we classified them by their level on indoor courts, I think it would be: 1)Ljubicic 2)Karlovic 3)Hrbaty 4)Beck 5)Ancic

I understand Slovakia's decision but I still think they made a mistake.
actually, ancic beat beck easily indoors last week :p
so:
1)ljubo 2)ivo 3)hrbaty 4)ancic 5)beck

fedpras
10-21-2005, 02:42 PM
With Karlovic, it's almost guaranteed that it will come down to tiebreakers, which basically gives him a 50% chance to win. So the question is, does Ancic have better than a 50% chance to win? The answer should be YES, but the way he's been choking lately, and based on his DC singles record this year, I think the answer has to be NO. So by that logic, I guess Karlovic is the better choice.

El Legenda
10-21-2005, 02:43 PM
i dont really care which one plays, its not like Croatia is depending on any of those to win a match :p

Experimentee
10-21-2005, 03:13 PM
Who says it has to be a fast indoor court or a clay court anyway? I still think the best option would be to go in the middle and play on a slow hardcourt. Beck is decent on that surface, and Hrbaty favours mid-speed hardcourts. And it wouldnt give the Croatian serves any advantage.

About the main question, I'm not really sure. Ancic isnt very good under pressure, but Karlovic hasnt exactly proven his mental strength under pressure either. Karlovic is in better form, but Ancic has played singles all year, so it wouldnt be fair to kick him out for the final tie.