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Deboogle!.
10-17-2005, 11:01 PM
Cool :)
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Tennis Channel Open Lands In Las Vegas

By Tennis Week
10/18/2005

One of the gaming capitals of the country is turning to tennis. The Tennis Channel Open has landed in Las Vegas. The Tennis Channel will officially announce the news on a conference call on Tuesday that will include Tennis Channel founder and president Steve Bellamy, Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman and Chris Clouser, CEO, ATP Properties.

The 32-player draw ATP hard-court tournament, which had been staged at the Fairmont Scottsdale Princess in Scottsdale, Arizona, for the past 16 years, will be staged in Vegas starting on February 27th, 2006.

The tournament is expected to be staged at Summerlin Park, which features a 24 courts, including a stadium court.

Tennis Channel executives have told Tennis Week in the past the Channel is interested in acquiring a WTA event and staging a combined men's and women's Tennis Channel Open. The Channel envisions establishing a multi-faceted event that could conceivably grow in scope and size, featuring junior and senior tournaments, wheelchair tournaments and other sports, including beach volleyball, clinics, concerts and entertainment that would present players and fans with an abundance of activities and The Tennis Channel with hours of potential programming as well as new revenue streams from advertisers and potential sponsors.

Las Vegas' most notable tennis personality, Tennis Channel investor Andre Agassi, is not expected to play the tournament in his hometown next February. Agassi is entered into the Dubai Tennis Championships, contested the same week as The Tennis Channel Open.

NicoFan
10-17-2005, 11:06 PM
Wow...this is great news!!! :woohoo:

I never had any desire to go to Scottsdale, but Vegas...definitely yes!!!!

Jogy
10-17-2005, 11:10 PM
I hope Haas is winning there next year :) :D

:angel:

Deboogle!.
10-17-2005, 11:13 PM
Wow...this is great news!!! :woohoo:

I never had any desire to go to Scottsdale, but Vegas...definitely yes!!!!Really??? Scottsdale is a wonderful place to visit, my family used to go there every year for our vacation and we just adored it. The food and culture are quite unique in this country :) I went to the tourney there a couple years ago and it was so much fun, it was much much smaller than any of the other tourneys I'd been to so the player access and seating in the stadium and whatnot were just awesome.

But it's leaving now so I guess it doesn't matter. I'm sure the Vegas one will be nice too :yeah:

Scotso
10-17-2005, 11:23 PM
Now can they work on getting everyone the Tennis Channel? :p

LaTenista
10-17-2005, 11:26 PM
Viva Las Vegas! :cool:

:ras: No Agassi.

Think I'd still prefer to attend Acapulco that week, given the opporunity. :o

Deboogle!.
10-17-2005, 11:27 PM
Think I'd still prefer to attend Acapulco that week, given the opporunity. :oMe too :D I feel like I'm the only person in the world who is not excited at the thought of Vegas. :lol:

NYCtennisfan
10-17-2005, 11:29 PM
Well, looks like Vegas has a tourny again and not a challenger event. Greats like Connors and Borg have won titles in Vegas back in the late 70's and early 80's. Should be an interesting event.

Deboogle!.
10-17-2005, 11:33 PM
I'm sure it'll be attractive to a lot of guys, considering how close it is to IW with relatively similar climate conditions... and just a bit closer than Dubai ;) (granted, I'm sure they have a LOT less money to give out :lol: )

shotgun
10-17-2005, 11:49 PM
Hmm.. will be the money prize equal to Scottsdale ($ 380,000) ?

tangerine_dream
10-18-2005, 12:27 AM
Yeeeessssss! Vegas baby :smoke: Agassi Country. Thank god it's out of Scottsdale (and nowhere in California :p )

cobalt60
10-18-2005, 12:33 AM
I'm with you Deb- Vegas doesn't do it for me although I bet there will be a lot more interesting players going.

michelleg
10-18-2005, 12:45 AM
Me too :D I feel like I'm the only person in the world who is not excited at the thought of Vegas. :lol:

Come hang with me in Acapulco, one of the rare "roll out of bed and walk less than 100 yards to the tennis" tourneys.

Five pools and supposedly two have swim up bars. My kind of venue.

Jimnik
10-18-2005, 12:45 AM
Very good move :yeah:

To be honest, I don't understand why Vegas aren't already on the International Series calendar. This city should attract a lot of good players.

shotgun
10-18-2005, 01:00 AM
I don't know if there will be so many good players... This week of the calendar, the money is in Dubai and Acapulco, and that's what top players seem to care about these days!

Jimnik
10-18-2005, 01:02 AM
I think Andy will enter.

Deboogle!.
10-18-2005, 01:09 AM
I don't know if there will be so many good players... This week of the calendar, the money is in Dubai and Acapulco, and that's what top players seem to care about these days!Yeah, it'll get the Americans and the players living in America who care more about the travel and the proximity of Vegas to IW. So I imagine it will get a decent field nonetheless...

michelle, sounds good, I'm there :cool: :cool:

michelleg
10-18-2005, 01:14 AM
michelle, sounds good, I'm there :cool: :cool:

Well I'm easily located, one of two poolside dens of iniquity.

warmy
10-18-2005, 01:21 AM
:woohoo: Vegas is easy to fly into and I don’t have to visit relatives like I would in Scottsdale. YAY! :bounce:

nobama
10-18-2005, 01:21 AM
So did Andre already commit to Dubai before this was official? You'd think he'd want to play a hometown event, and especially one that doesn't include Roger Federer - considering he's lost to Roger now 8 times in a row (and Roger kicked his ass in Dubai this year). The $$ they get for playing in Dubai must be pretty sweet.

NicoFan
10-18-2005, 01:24 AM
I think Vegas is a great location because it offers something for everyone. Tennis geeks like myself can watch tennis from the time it opens until the last ball is hit, for people that aren't that geeky...lol!...there's the restaurants, bars, things to do with the kids, casinos, etc. etc.

Also there are always cheap plane fares to Vegas, and hotels there have some great deals sometimes. For someone on a budget (like myself...lol!), those are very valid reasons to like a place.

BTW - wasn't dissing Scottsdale - I'm sure its lovely. But think that Vegas can pull in more fans for the above reasons.

Don't know if more players will come. But they'll always get the Americans. And they'll definitely get Andre there (for as long as he plays and even afterwards I'm sure they'll get him doing promotional events).

NicoFan
10-18-2005, 01:30 AM
For those of you who said you would like to go to Acapulco.

Me too - I love clay courts but I've never been to a clay court tournament...kills me...and would love to go to Acapulco someday.

I checked the airfares from NY though for 2006 - $800 plus...ouch! Totally bummed because I would love to go to Acapulco...I keep hoping the fares go down.

Dream is to go to Acapulco and then head to IW.

Maybe someday.

Fee
10-18-2005, 01:31 AM
Dubai pays fat dollars in appearance fees, never mind the prize money. Andre must have already signed a contract but the official entries are not due until 6 weeks before the tournament. If Andre has signed with Dubai, he won't be in Vegas.

Acapulco may have money, but it's a clay tournament right before a hardcourt Masters, so only the hardcore clay guys will go. The entry list will look similar to last year, without Nadal. Vegas will probably get Hewitt though, along with Roddick, Ginepri and Blake. 4 guys in the top 30 isn't a bad place to start.

NicoFan
10-18-2005, 01:40 AM
Too bad if Andre signed up already for Dubai. Definitly he would rather play Vegas.

Deboogle!.
10-18-2005, 01:48 AM
Too bad if Andre signed up already for Dubai. Definitly he would rather play Vegas.Not if they're paying him a cool half-million ;) But no, he may have initially agreed, but players do that all the time. he hasn't officially entered the tourney or anything, he could surely play vegas if he really wanted to. He's Andre, he can pretty much do whatever he wants :p I suppose if he signed a contract, he'd be bound by it, but for example Hewitt was originally "committed" to LA, but never entered it b/c of his wedding and no one said anything and no one called it a 'withdrawal' b/c he never entered. And they'd advertised him and put him on the tickets and all that, so who knows what Andre will do now that there is a tourney in his very hometown.

Anyway, what's funny is that Scottsdale rather nicely fits into the description you set out for Vegas...except it's classy :p But that's fine by me, let people go to Vegas instead so that there's more room in Scottsdale for tourists like me ;) But I digress.

Andy might play, he might not. Scottsdale was always around and he only played it once and had a horrific experience there. So that's never been a week where he has played much. But I'm sure TTC would love to have him at their tourney esp for it's inaugural run in Vegas, so perhaps they'll make it worth his while. Plus it's Andy and Vegas. He doesn't need excuses to go there :o:p

Lee
10-18-2005, 01:51 AM
I'm sad that the city of Scottsdale willing to spend 47 millions to buy a piece of land to build a parking lot for PGA tournament and Barrett-Jackson Classic Car auction but give zero effort to keep the tournament.

Deboogle!.
10-18-2005, 01:57 AM
:eek: :eek: :eek: Wow, that really is sad. :(

NicoFan
10-18-2005, 02:00 AM
Not if they're paying him a cool half-million ;)

Anyway, what's funny is that Scottsdale rather nicely fits into the description you set out for Vegas...except it's classy :p But that's fine by me, let people go to Vegas instead so that there's more room in Scottsdale for tourists like me ;) But I digress.

Lol! So true...I'm being naive - always think of Andre being above those things, but obviously...not! ;)

And another lol! Should never have mentioned Scottsdale - I have never been there so have no idea what its like.

I'm sure most places on earth are classier than Vegas - but it is cheap. Again, for families on budgets, its a consideration.

Again, I'd rather go to Acapulco. Actually in dreamland, the tournament that I'd love to go to see Monte Carlo...but this time I digress...lol! :)

nobama
10-18-2005, 02:05 AM
Too bad if Andre signed up already for Dubai. Definitly he would rather play Vegas.But Vegas doesn't have the Burj-al-Arab seven star hotel (which I think is where Agassi and Fed stayed this year). I'm sure the financial incentives plus the location are enough to draw Agassi there again (if he's still playing). But he'd probably have a better chance of winning in Vegas.

http://www.nawal.com/data/506/burjalarab.jpg

Deboogle!.
10-18-2005, 02:06 AM
Andre loves Vegas, and if he plays at Vegas it would have nothing to do with whether he thinks he can win (IMO), it would be because of his loyalty to a city he talks about all the time as loving and the desire to play for those people. IMO. :)

NicoFan
10-18-2005, 02:08 AM
But Vegas doesn't have the Burj-al-Arab seven star hotel (which I think is where Agassi and Fed stayed this year). I'm sure the financial incentives plus the location are enough to draw Agassi there again (if he's still playing). But he'd probably have a better chance of winning in Vegas.

http://www.nawal.com/data/506/burjalarab.jpg


lol! But after 15 years on the road, I'm not sure if even a 7 star hotel would have as much appeal to him as being able to go to his own home at night - to his wife and kids.

Billabong
10-18-2005, 03:25 AM
Las Vegas:banana: It will be special:)!

buddyholly
10-18-2005, 04:04 AM
Is the average visitor to Vegas going to get his ass off the stool in front of the slots and go watch tennis? I think not.
I am not sure how many tennis fans would actually go to Vegas the week of the tournament, maybe more than I think.

shotgun
10-18-2005, 12:15 PM
Honestly, I can't see the fact that makes Las Vegas more attractive to players than Scottsdale (apart from Agassi, who will possibly not even play there). The court surface is the same, as is the distance to Indian Wells and the climatic conditions. The fact that it's a new tournament? No. The fact that it's full of Cassinos and night clubs around? No.

Probably Las Vegas will have a better field than Scottsdale had this year, because of one single reason: We won't have a Davis Cup week right after this and right before Indian Wells.

NicoFan
10-18-2005, 12:46 PM
Honestly, I can't see the fact that makes Las Vegas more attractive to players than Scottsdale (apart from Agassi, who will possibly not even play there). The court surface is the same, as is the distance to Indian Wells and the climatic conditions. The fact that it's a new tournament? No. The fact that it's full of Cassinos and night clubs around? No.

Probably Las Vegas will have a better field than Scottsdale had this year, because of one single reason: We won't have a Davis Cup week right after this and right before Indian Wells.

Hmmm...sorry shotgun blues but have to disagree. I think the players would love the casinos and night life. Lots of players love that stuff. They get really bored at tournaments. And the more things there are to do, the happier they are.

Deboogle!.
10-18-2005, 01:35 PM
Plus, I don't know what Vegas's weather that time of year is like but it's not the best time of year in Scottsdale. It's the one time of year it can rain there, and it's not that warm. The year I went there were rain problems in the middle of the tourney, and the night matches were in the upper 40s and it was miserable for players and fans alike, so I don't know if Vegas's weather is any better at that time of year, but that was probably the worst thing about Scottsdale for me.

ginny_legend
10-18-2005, 02:05 PM
good decision, didnt know agassi had events planned for next year.

Fee
10-18-2005, 04:39 PM
Yes Agassi is already working on his schedule for next year, as are most players. San Jose has already announced some of their players and it looks like Hewitt is coming back even though its the first tournament after Davis Cup.

I have a vague memory that someone commented on the weather a few months ago when it first looked like the tournament would move to Vegas. Pretty sure Vegas nights are pretty brutal in February and this may have to be a daytime only tournament.

Deboogle!.
10-18-2005, 04:40 PM
well scottsdale should've been day only too, but they still had a singles and doubles match every night :o

Scratch the thought that the better weather might draw more players, then :p

shotgun
10-18-2005, 05:02 PM
What's the point in having a tourney in Las Vegas if you can't have night sessions?? I must admit I've never been there, but the image I have from LV is that it's a night-life city.

Lee
10-18-2005, 05:20 PM
What's the point in having a tourney in Las Vegas if you can't have night sessions?? I must admit I've never been there, but the image I have from LV is that it's a night-life city.

In February, the night lives in LV are indoors. Basically, the climate in LV is more or less the same as Scottsdale. And during February and March, rain is brought by low pressure systems moving in from California and will affect both Las Vegas and Scottsdale.

I'm in the same opinion that there won't be people visit Las Vegas to watch a tennis tournament.

IMO, the problem in Scottsdale is the venue is TOO small with zero amenities. The tennis courts are part of the Princess Resort, thus, the parking and other amenities are not available to tournament visitors. When it rains, the parking lot was muddy plus the walk toward the entrance. The places for sponsor tents and food court are not paved too. When it rains, there's no place to high for visitors.

But as Deb said before, the main court is not too big that even you was standing outside waiting to get into the court, you won't miss watching the match as you still have a very good view. And all the seats have a pretty good view on the court.

RogiFan88
10-18-2005, 07:17 PM
Will it be called the Andre Agassi Open? ;) ...or perhaps just "Lucky Chance Open"... [I know, it's dumb but I'm a little bored this week... ]

Golfnduck
10-18-2005, 08:15 PM
VEGAS!!!! YEAH BABY!!!! :woohoo:

Grinder
10-18-2005, 08:23 PM
Dubai is the best for money and location. Don't get me wrong, I love Vegas, but accomodation at the Burj Al Arab is reason enough to go to Dubai.

Sugar Kane
10-18-2005, 08:24 PM
Dubai is the best for money and location. Don't get me wrong, I love Vegas, but accomodation at the Burj Al Arab is reason enough to go to Dubai.
Burj Al Arab :drool:

Deboogle!.
10-18-2005, 09:26 PM
Here's a longer article about it
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Tennis Channel Open Set For Vegas

By Richard Pagliaro
10/19/2005


The Tennis Channel is taking tennis back to the park — and you're invited to hit the court and the casinos in the process. A 110-acre public park outside of Las Vegas rather than Yasgur's Farm in upstate New York will serve as the stage for The Tennis Channel Open, the 32-player draw ATP tournament the Tennis Channel envisions as the centerpiece of its proposed Tennis Woodstock.

The Tennis Channel president and founder Steve Bellamy and Las Vegas mayor Oscar Goodman announced today The Tennis Channel Open will be staged at the newly-opened The Darling Memorial Tennis Center, a 23-court complex outside of Las Vegas, starting February 27th, 2006. A qualifying tournament, a junior tournament that would award the winner with a wild card into qualifying, a $75,000 USTA Women's Challenger event and a possible senior circuit tournament are all planned in the days leading up to the actual ATP tournament. The entire event could span 10 days.:yeah:

The hard-court tournament, which had been contested at the Fairmont Scottsdale Princess in Scottsdale, Arizona, for the past 16 years, will be be held at a 2,400-seat stadium court that will expand with bleachers to 3,000-3,500 capacity during the tournament. All 23 courts are lighted and there is space on the grounds for two additional smaller stadium courts which are currently being planned. The facility, which officially opened for public play in September, is the largest outdoor public tennis center in the state of Nevada.

It marks the first time Las Vegas has hosted a top-level professional tournament since the Alan King Tennis Classic in 1985. The Tennis Channel is seeking to eventually produce a multi-week, multi-entertainment event that will appeal to fans on several levels.

"The vision is to create a sort of ‘tennispalooza,’ an annual tennis destination with tournament action and other tennis-related entertainment activities, and televise the heck out of it," Bellamy said during today's conference call to announce the move to Vegas "Las Vegas is providing resources and efforts toward this end, and after an exhaustive selection process we’ve decided that the city presents the best opportunity to build something spectacular that people are going to travel to experience each year."

In addition to the tournament, Tennis Channel executives envision establishing a multi-faceted event that could conceivably grow in scope and size, featuring junior and senior tournaments, wheelchair tournaments and other sports, including beach volleyball, table tennis, clinics, concerts and entertainment that would present players and fans with an abundance of activities and The Tennis Channel with hours of potential programming as well as new revenue streams from advertisers and potential sponsors.

Imagine the Bryan Brothers playing doubles than playing a concert with other players and celebrities; attending clinics conducted by some of tennis top coaches, including Vic Braden and Wayne Bryan; seeing top players compete in a fast-serve contest, watching your favorite players face off in televised table tennis and air hockey games, attending a junior tournament with the winner receiving a wild card into The Tennis Channel Open and not only seeing all the action unfold on the Tennis Channel, but having the ability watch video streamed over The Tennis Channel.com web site.

The concept is to combine tennis and entertainment and transform tennis fans from passive spectators to active participants in The Tennis Channel Open, while providing the Channel itself with endless hours of programming, advertising and marketing opportunities. Organizers are attempting to redefine the standard tennis tournament experience with an entertainment spectacle staged at one of the gaming capitals of the country.

"The combination of professional tournament tennis; The Tennis Channel’s 24/7, 365 media brand; and the excitement of Las Vegas creates endless opportunities for redefining the way the sport is experienced," said Tennis Channel CEO Ken Solomon. "This decision is an integral part of our vision to synergize various tennis, lifestyle and entertainment activities across numerous outlets, be they television, Web, broadband, video on demand (VOD) or an actual top tour event, like the Tennis Channel Open."

There are complications that could pose initial challenges to the Tennis Channel's plans to construct an event that executives hope will eventually carry the prestige — if not the credentials — of a Masters Series event. The Dubai Tennis Championships, which lures some of tennis' top stars including Las Vegas resident Andre Agassi and world No. 1 Roger Federer with lucrative guarantees and inviting incentives, is staged the same week as The Tennis Channel Open. Federer and Agassi, who are both committed to playing Dubai next February, joined Marat Safin, Juan Carlos Ferrero and Tim Henman in Dubai last February. Additionally, the Tennis Channel Open will compete with the Acapulco Open, the only clay-court tournament staged the same week, for its prominent player pool. French Open champions Rafael Nadal, Gaston Gaudio and Carlos Moya all played the 2005 Acapulco event.

At the moment, there is not a WTA event available for The Tennis Channel to purchase meaning it will have to settle for hosting a women's Challenger and while Bellamy believes its Vegas location makes The Tennis Channel Open "extremely geographically desirable" for players planning to play the first Masters Series event of 2006 at Indian Wells the following week, there will certainly be players eager to take the week prior to the Pacific Life Open off to practice. While Las Vegas has a rapidly growing residential community it is still widely regarded as a tourist town where gambling remains the top draw. Will the tournament sell enough tickets and in turn draw enough visitors to Vegas to make the venture profitable for both the Tennis Channel and the city?

Tennis Channel executives and Las Vegas leaders declined to discuss financial terms of the deal. Las Vegas City Councilman Larry Brown said the city is anticipating a seven to 10-year commitment to the event and dismissed the financial risk the city is undertaking by hosting the event.

"The first two years have been approved by all of the respective boards; we are looking for a seven to 10 year commitment from the city and the community," said Brown, who represents the community where the Darling Memorial Tennis Complex is located. "Ideally, we're looking for a 15 to 20 year (commitment) from the city. (We are) absolutely not concerned about the risk. This is a one of a kind event."

Solomon said the exposure the world's first 24-hour a day channel devoted to tennis and racquet sports will provide to Vegas will certainly compensate the city's investment in the event. Essentially, the event will help serve as an ongoing competitive infomercial for Vegas throughout the first quarter of 2006.

"The partnership is predicated on our ability to deliver real media value in exchange for this partnership," Solomon said. "So it is truly unduplicatable to have a dedicated access for a quarter centered around your city and the sporting event in your city. Quite frankly, if the event never happened they will still get the value out of the exposure the city gets from this network and web site."

While ticket prices have not yet been set, Bellamy said he expects tickets for The Tennis Channel Open will go on sale in November.

cincy
10-18-2005, 09:42 PM
The $$ they get for playing in Dubai must be pretty sweet.

Both Andre and Roger got $500,000 plus Andre supposedly formed a few business partnerships in the area (per sportsbusinessjournal.com). So, I think Andre is committed to playing Dubai as long as he plays tennis. Las Vegas will have to wait.

I remember when Las Vegas hosted the Fed Cup a few years ago and NOBODY showed up!!! I was there the week before and they had posters all over the city and still couldn't sell tickets. It was held indoors, I believe. But the women don't draw as well anyway, I guess.

The weather in Vegas in February is a bit iffy, so I'm wondering if people will leave the comfort of the casinos for the cold of an outdoor tennis tournament. Personally, I'm saving my money for Miami. Great tournament and warm weather (except sometimes at night).

Jim Jones
10-18-2005, 10:29 PM
seven star hotels don't exist but yeah Burj al Arab is quite something

Fee
10-18-2005, 11:18 PM
Why do people feel the need to have 'entertainment' at a tennis tournament? Isn't the tennis entertaining enough? The USO does this, and besides being somewhat loud and disruptive during matches, I just wonder what the point is.

Oizo
10-18-2005, 11:20 PM
Will the WTA have it on the schedule again?

Grinder
10-18-2005, 11:51 PM
re are seven star hotels don't exist but yeah Burj al Arab is quite something
Yes they do, there are only two in the world and the Burj Al Arab is one of them.