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Will Ferrero Qualify for Shanghai?

iliketennis
10-16-2005, 03:03 AM
1 Federer 1245
2 Nadal 853
3 Roddick 548
4 Hewitt 498
5 Agassi 455
6 Coria 422
7 Davydenko 378
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8 Safin 346
9 Gaudio 344
10 Puerta 324
11 Ferrero 284
12 Nalbandian 278
13 Ferrer 274
14 Gasquet 274
15 Ancic 270
16 Gonzalez 270
17 Ljubicic 261
18 Johansson T 260
19 Robredo 258

I'm assuming Puerta won't be playing (drug allegations). That puts him out and immediately raises Ferrero to 10. If he can do well at the remaining events, he will maintain his position. I'm not sure if it is possible for him to overtake Gaudio.

Hewitt and Agassi may or may not be able to play. If more than one player from the top 8 in the race can't compete, Ferrero will be awarded a wildcard.

So, best case scenario, it is possible for him to qualify. Now I'm just wishing for some luck on JC's behalf :D

mangoes
10-16-2005, 03:08 AM
He'd have to win Madrid and do good in Paris....................that's a big order for Ferrero. He'd have to literally take that spot from Davydenko. I do not foresee Agassi missing the cup and as for Hewitt, I doubt he'd miss it too, but these day, who knows what's up with Hewitt.

iliketennis
10-16-2005, 03:16 AM
Or two players could withdraw.

mangoes
10-16-2005, 03:19 AM
Or two players could withdraw.


In that case............there's a possibility, but a doubtful one.

iliketennis
10-16-2005, 03:24 AM
In that case............there's a possibility, but a doubtful one.

Optimism is the only thing us Ferrero fans have :D

mangoes
10-16-2005, 03:28 AM
Optimism is the only thing us Ferrero fans have :D


Then I won't rain on the parade ;) Best of Luck. I do like Ferrero and I think he is a good player. I'd much rather see Ferrero there than Gaudio just because I think Ferrero would be mentally stronger than Gaudio if given the chance.

As for Coria, I'd give Ferrero his place in a sec. Why? I love Coria, but for some reason, he hasn't been able to close out matches lately, so I don't foresee him winning a single match there which in my opinion equals a wasted spot. During matches at the Masters Cup, I'd like to feel that each player has a solid chance of winning. I've lost my confidence in Coria.

iliketennis
10-16-2005, 03:34 AM
Then I won't rain on the parade ;) Best of Luck. I do like Ferrero and I think he is a good player. I'd much rather see Ferrero there than Gaudio just because I think Ferrero would be mentally stronger than Gaudio if given the chance.

I agree. The matches will be played indoors (corect me if I'm wrong) and Ferrero has a much better chance than Gaudio indoors. Just seeing what he did this week at Vienna proves that he can still play on every surface. I love Gaston, but I really can't see him winning any matches in the group stages.

I know this sounds terrible, but I hope two players are injured and have to withdraw :devil: After all, JC's goal was to qualify for Shanghai in 05.

Leo
10-16-2005, 03:41 AM
He's closer than I expected. Hopefully Juan Carlos avoids Nadal and Roddick in the Madrid draw and makes a good run there.

Are Safin and Federer not also question marks for Shanghai given their injuries? It'd be a shame to see any of the Top 8 have to pull out, but it may be a possibility considering how many of the leading contenders can't compete in Madrid, and that'd definitely benefit Ferrero.

shotgun
10-16-2005, 03:41 AM
Hmm.. I think Gaudio won't make it, he can't do anything on fast surfaces.
Coria shouldn't be underestimated, but who knows how his confidence is after the Davis Cup semifinals.
Davydenko is having a tough second semester, pledged by injuries, but he's dangerous indoors.
Puerta will be playing those tournaments, but I don't think he could go very far.
It depends on how well Ferrero and Nalbandian will do in Madrid and Paris. I think both still have small chances.
I don't think there will be any withdrawals. Agassi gave up playing Madrid because he wants to rest.

mangoes
10-16-2005, 03:44 AM
He's closer than I expected. Hopefully Juan Carlos avoids Nadal and Roddick in the Madrid draw and makes a good run there.

Are Safin and Federer not also question marks for Shanghai given their injuries? It'd be a shame to see any of the Top 8 have to pull out, but it may be a possibility considering how many of the leading contenders can't compete in Madrid, and that'd definitely benefit Ferrero.


Federer seems quite certain he's be ready for Shanghai. But, I think there is still a big question mark my Safin's name. I don't think we'd have any idea until we see if Safin plays Paris.

Is Hewitt injured or is he home to support his wife and await the birth of his child? I'm figuring it's the latter. But who really knows. I hope his toe isn't a serious matter.

iliketennis
10-16-2005, 03:57 AM
If anyone witdraws, I'm guessing it will be Safin, Agassi or both.

I can't find anything on wildcard entries, so I assume that it would just be the next highest ranked player in the race. If the wildcards aren't picked regarding race points, maybe they'd pick the best performed at Madrid and Paris?

Leo
10-16-2005, 05:59 AM
Alternates are the next highest players in the race. I think they generally pick 2 of them for the TMC.

And yes, I think Safin is the most likely to not play in Shanghai at this point. We'll see what happens with Paris.

Ferrero Forever
10-16-2005, 08:19 AM
yeah he can get in *hopefully*

its.like.that
10-16-2005, 08:39 AM
1 Federer - has been injured, and may not want to risk it getting worse, I mean what's more important, AO or Masters Cup?

2 Nadal - withdrew from Vienna due to injury? if it comes up prior to TMC, I'd say it he would forego TMC for AO.

3 Roddick - he'll be there for the money.

4 Hewitt - no chance of winning if the good players are there, hope he doesn't turn up - injury clouds also.

5 Agassi - only has so many matches left in him - if he feels up to it I'm sure he'll be there, otherwise he'll concentrate on his most successful slam - the AO.

6 Coria - I'm sure Carla would love a shopping holiday.

7 Davydenko - lots of Russians in China.

8 Safin - has a lot of points to defend from AO, and wouldn't want to risk missing it in 2006.

9 Gaudio - a likely starter.

10 Puerta - also deserves to start.

11 Ferrero & 12 Nalbandian - I wouldn't go making plans otherwise just yet if I was them.

Jimnik
10-16-2005, 08:57 AM
Well, JC is just under 100pts behind Davydenko, with Madrid and Paris still to come. It seems like a tall order but he has, at least, hit some form in Vienna.

I'd still like to know if he's going to be seeded in Madrid. He's currently ranked 22 and there have been 5 confirmed withdrawels: Federer, Hewitt, Safin, Agassi and Gasquet. That puts him at 17 so he needs one more withdrawel to be seeded. If he's not seeded, he won't get a bye to the 2nd round and he'll have to play on Tuesday already. I'm not sure if he has enough time to recover from a 5-setter against Ljubicic and a 3-hour flight from Vienna to Madrid.

With Federer, Safin, Agassi and Hewitt returning in Paris, he has to do well in Madrid to qualify. Reaching the semis is the minimum requirement if he's to stand a chance. Also, this is all assuming that Davydenko doesn't get a good run at one or both of these tournaments. If JC overtakes Safin it doesn't help him because Marat won the Aus Open and Agassi and Coria are already too far ahead.

Corinna
10-16-2005, 09:18 AM
i think it'll be very very difficult for jc

and nadal won't withdraw i think - as he is already playing again in madrid, so i don't think is injury would have been too serious :p

though good luck jc :) it would be so cool to see him in the masters :)

Scotso
10-16-2005, 10:08 AM
I really hope he makes it!

Loremaster
10-16-2005, 10:16 AM
I like Ferrero very much but I think he didn't deserve to play in Shanghai his performances this year were very poor - he was loosing to guys he never should loose, Played very bad in GS(ok Wimbledon was expection :)) and made only 2-3 finals and no title(I hope he will win one today) So I don't see him among 8 best players of the this season

iliketennis
10-16-2005, 11:46 AM
Saying that JC's performances were poor is incorrect in my opinion. Two finals (maybe one title if he wins today) three semifinals and four quarterfinals. Better than Safin's year if you ask me.

gooner88
10-16-2005, 11:50 AM
Saying that JC's performances were poor is incorrect in my opinion. Two finals (maybe one title if he wins today) three semifinals and four quarterfinals. Better than Safin's year if you ask me.

Didin't Safin win a Slam. :scratch:

iliketennis
10-16-2005, 11:52 AM
He's currently ranked 22 and there have been 5 confirmed withdrawels: Federer, Hewitt, Safin, Agassi and Gasquet. That puts him at 17 so he needs one more withdrawel to be seeded.

When the rankings are published tomorrow, Juan Carlos will be ranked 16, but the draw is decided based on this week's rankings if I'm correct.

iliketennis
10-16-2005, 11:53 AM
Didin't Safin win a Slam. :scratch:

Yeah, that's about all.

gooner88
10-16-2005, 11:58 AM
Yeah, that's about all.

Don't forget that injuries have virtually killed off his season. JCF's had a very good year and has been very consistent, but you're ultimately judged by how you perform at the big tourneys.
Winning a Slam is a very successful year in my opinion...

Billabong
10-16-2005, 12:03 PM
Everything is still possible for JC, and we know he really wants to go to Shanghai, so GOOOOOOO JCCCCCCC:bounce:!!!!!!!!

iliketennis
10-16-2005, 12:05 PM
Well, I agree that Ferrero and Safin have had successful seasons, but both are capable of much, much more.

Saumon
10-16-2005, 12:09 PM
Well, I agree that Ferrero and Safin have had successful seasons, but both are capable of much, much more.
you are always capable of much more thant what you are capable of when you are injured and have played only one tourney in over 3 months :(

iliketennis
10-16-2005, 12:12 PM
If you're honest with yourselves, Marat did have a form slump before the injury.

Saumon
10-16-2005, 12:13 PM
he was playing better in roland garros (remember the match vs ferrero? :devil: ) and halle :(

iliketennis
10-16-2005, 12:15 PM
It's a good thing Ferrero beat Safin two consecutive times to compensate then, isn't it? :devil:

Saumon
10-16-2005, 12:18 PM
it was a more important match in rg :devil:

iliketennis
10-16-2005, 12:21 PM
Maybe not considering Marat just lost in the next round anyway :devil:

croat123
10-16-2005, 03:26 PM
the problem is, out of hewitt, agassi, and safin, the only one who would actually pull out because he knows he's not ready is safin, there's no way agassi and hewitt would give their spots to someone else :(

Saumon
10-16-2005, 03:30 PM
I dont want safin to give his spot :hysteric:

Jimnik
10-16-2005, 03:32 PM
I actually think Ljubicic has a better chance of qualifying. He'll have an extra day of rest before his first match in Madrid and, on this form, he is arguably the best indoor player now that Federer and Safin have withdrawn.

Raquel
10-16-2005, 03:42 PM
JC just has to keep working hard over the next few weeks and he might make it as an alternate at least. The fact he even has a chance to make it is testament to his consistency, and being solid rather than spectacular (so far). Some players who are thought of highly here and perhaps have a better reputation here nowadays than JC are not in the chase here which shows he must be doing something right.

amierin
10-16-2005, 03:45 PM
Didn't Hewitt just have surgery on his foot? Is he even playing Shanghai?

Jimnik
10-16-2005, 03:56 PM
JC just has to keep working hard over the next few weeks and he might make it as an alternate at least. The fact he even has a chance to make it is testament to his consistency, and being solid rather than spectacular (so far). Some players who are thought of highly here and perhaps have a better reputation here nowadays than JC are not in the chase here which shows he must be doing something right.
His ranking is a perfect reflection of his season. Good but not great - that's exactly where he stands right now.

At least it shows that, even with today's players, JC just needs to find his old form to get a top 6 ranking. Not world no.1 but certainly 5-6 roughly.

RogiFan88
10-16-2005, 04:07 PM
Unless Juanqui wins one of the two remaining TMSes, which is highly unlikely [he faces Max in Madrid, a preview of the upcoming DC tie betw. ESP and BLR btw], there's no way he will make Shanghai. There are other players trying for Shanghai who are ranked higher than him [players w a real chance], like Gaudio, Puerta and Nalby [altho Nalby has finalist pts to defend in Madrid].

Unfortunately, only in his and your dreams.

nobama
10-16-2005, 05:44 PM
When will we know that Roddick has officially qualified for TMC? How in the world can he not at this point?

MariaV
10-16-2005, 05:50 PM
I dont want safin to give his spot :hysteric:
Don't be :hysteric: Gab, his managers won't let it happen. And as the great Jim Courier said at the AO, Marat's not as dumb as he looks. ;) :lol: :worship:

lalaland
10-16-2005, 05:51 PM
He is chasing the #7 spot which is current occupied by Davydenko at 378 pts, which is 95pts more than him. Then several players very close to him and play well indoor: JCF at 283, Nalbandian at 277, Ljubicic at 276, Ferrer 274, Gonzo & Ancic at 270, TJ 260.

So no, because I don't believe in miracle.

NYCtennisfan
10-16-2005, 06:01 PM
Madrid is his chance. Making it to Shanghai will do wonders for his confidence for next year.

iliketennis
10-18-2005, 11:05 AM
There are other players trying for Shanghai who are ranked higher than him [players w a real chance], like Gaudio, Puerta and Nalby

Ummm, actually, Ferrero is higher ranked in the Race than Nalbandian :rolleyes: and he hasn't been taking any performance enhancing drugs lately either :p

Exodus
10-18-2005, 11:34 AM
i hope that JCF won't make it i would rather see Ivan or David in Shanghai.

Julio1974
10-18-2005, 08:03 PM
JCF has just lost all his chances...

musefanatic
10-18-2005, 08:06 PM
I really hope he does but i don't think he will. Then again, what do i know, i thought tim would lose against dent yesterday and look what happened there!

Jimnik
10-18-2005, 08:23 PM
Will Ferrero Qualify for Shanghai?

Maybe he has a chance. If:
- he wins Basel
- he beats Hewitt, Roddick and Federer en-route to the Paris title
- about 3 players withdraw from Shanghai
then maybe he has a chance to still qualify.