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Who will win the Madrid AMS??

shotgun
10-16-2005, 01:41 AM
With Federer, Hewitt, Safin and Agassi pulling out, things are pretty uncertain here. What do you people think?

Jimnik
10-16-2005, 01:43 AM
No Hewitt and Agassi? When did they withdraw?
So many players seem to be always injured for this tournament. Last year, Henman was the no.1 seed.

Surely it will be Roddick v Nadal in the final.

Fergie
10-16-2005, 01:44 AM
Ljubicic! :angel:

Jimnik
10-16-2005, 01:45 AM
...and with Gasquet out, JCF only needs one more withdrawel to be seeded. Is Puerta allowed to play?

Deboogle!.
10-16-2005, 01:45 AM
:scratch: hard to know without seeing the draw first!


re: puerta, he has not been officially notified of anything, still just media speculation as far as I know, so yes he can play. You don't have to stop playing as a result of media rumors :rolleyes:

shotgun
10-16-2005, 01:46 AM
No Hewitt and Agassi? When did they withdraw?
So many players seem to be always injured for this tournament. Last year, Henman was the no.1 seed.

Surely it will be Roddick v Nadal in the final.

Thursday, I guess. Agassi wants to rest until Paris and the Masters. Hewitt has a problem with a toe.

bad gambler
10-16-2005, 01:48 AM
Other

shotgun
10-16-2005, 01:51 AM
Other

who?

Jimnik
10-16-2005, 02:03 AM
If JCF can be seeded, I think it will make a big difference. After playing in the Vienna final, he needs all the rest he can get so a bye to the 2nd round is absolutely crucial. If he doesn't have to play until Wednesday, he could be one of the favourites.

Flibbertigibbet
10-16-2005, 02:29 AM
Ancic! OK, that's highly unlikely... Probably Nadal - he'll show us what a clay-court specialist he is, that brat. :angel:

Billabong
10-16-2005, 02:30 AM
It would be totally awesome if Ferrero could win it:yeah: GOOO JC:banana:!!! But first he has to win Vienna:p

mangoes
10-16-2005, 02:53 AM
I'm going to say Andy. He is flying under the radar and I think he wants it really badly. This is his best chance to win a masters this year. On this surface, Nadal isn't so frightening, but I think Andy will definitely have to go through him to win and he will have to play one hell of a match.

mangoes
10-16-2005, 02:55 AM
Does anyone know when the draw will be done? It's rather late isn't it? I thought for sure on Saturday................hhhmmmmm

Scotso
10-16-2005, 03:02 AM
Rafael :D

shotgun
10-16-2005, 03:07 AM
Does anyone know when the draw will be done? It's rather late isn't it? I thought for sure on Saturday................hhhmmmmm

Tomorrow (sunday).

Federerhingis
10-16-2005, 03:10 AM
Assuming Roddick and Nadal will be in opposite sides of the draw that would be an interesting final. Its a tough tournie when my three favorites arent playing, No Fed, no Safin no Hewitt and sentimental favorite Agassi withdraws. Oh actually I saw Nalbi is playing but hes too much of a head case. Who knows?

mangoes
10-16-2005, 03:15 AM
Tomorrow (sunday).


Thanks :)

Polikarpov
10-16-2005, 03:24 AM
I have a feeling that the winner will be a complete surprise!

iliketennis
10-16-2005, 03:29 AM
The winner will surely be Juan Carlos Ferrero. Madrid 2003 was his last title, so it would be perfect if JC won it again! I am really confident that JC has the capacity to beat all of the players listed in the poll, except maybe Nadal.

And with the knowledge that a good performance here could mean competing in Shanghai, Ferrero is definitely the one to watch :cool:

mangoes
10-16-2005, 03:35 AM
Now what would really make me smile is if Ljubicic won Madrid. But he looks too tired.

El Legenda
10-16-2005, 04:41 AM
Go Ljubo defend the SF pts.

NYCtennisfan
10-16-2005, 04:42 AM
I'd love to see a Roddick vs. Nadal final.

El Legenda
10-16-2005, 04:43 AM
I'd love to see a Roddick vs. Nadal final.

Not as much i would love to see Ljubicic vs Roddick or Nadal final .

Federerhingis
10-16-2005, 05:14 AM
Not as much i would love to see Ljubicic vs Roddick or Nadal final .

These would be interesting matchups as well especially if Ljubo plays on his form of late and the way he was playing earlier this year even against Fed.

idolwatcher1
10-16-2005, 06:06 AM
I'm gonna be Miss America for a second, and answer this question something like this:

I think the winner of this tournament will be whoever is in great shape but is also mentally very tough and focused during each game, each set, each match...a player who knows where to place each of his serves, how to best play each return, and how to best control each game... :singer:

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-16-2005, 06:55 AM
Nadal has a good shot to win his home tourney. :D

Black Adam
10-16-2005, 08:46 AM
Hopefully Andy doesn't choke this golden oportunity to win a big tourney.

Ferrero Forever
10-16-2005, 09:40 AM
Ferrero *must remain optimistic*

Loremaster
10-16-2005, 10:08 AM
I hope Andy will win he needs big title badly and I think surface is ideal for him, and He will be very fresh I doubt Ljubicic could play so many weeks without break(especially when he was very tired in match against Robredo)
Nadal should not be a thread to Roddick on this surface (but still Roddick vs Nadal final would be great ) I rembember how Nadal was afraid of Roddick's serve during 2004 USOpen. Ferrero could have good run but I don't think he has so good form this year.

Corinna
10-16-2005, 11:32 AM
It would be totally awesome if Ferrero could win it:yeah: GOOO JC:banana:!!! But first he has to win Vienna:p
i totally agree with you :smooch:

its.like.that
10-16-2005, 11:38 AM
Nadal will be very hard to stop, especially with the crowd and what not.

Action Jackson
10-16-2005, 11:39 AM
If Roddick can't do well here, then some questions need to be asked for sure.

LaTenista
10-16-2005, 12:15 PM
I voted for Nadal, but I think Roddick has a good shot, esp. if Nadal doesn't reach the final.

My dark horses are Juan Carlos Ferrero and Nicolas Kiefer.

jenanun
10-16-2005, 12:23 PM
nadal FOR SURE!

eta

just seen the draw, nadal has a very very good chance to get into the final... plus the crowd effect, he is going to win this year!

~EMiLiTA~
10-16-2005, 02:28 PM
hopefully nadal

mangoes
10-16-2005, 02:52 PM
If Ljubicic plays as well as he has been playing, I think he has a more than solid chance to win Madrid.

Jimnik
10-16-2005, 03:03 PM
Looking at the draw Nadal should easily make it to the quarters. He then faces probably Radek Stepanek who'll provide his first test. I think Robby Ginepri or Max Mirnyi could beat him in the semis but Davydenko, Ferrer or Ferrero would probably loose.

As for Roddick, he has a much tougher draw. Anyone from Rusedski, Hrbaty or Nalbandian could beat him. And, off course, Ljubicic could meet him in the semis. That's a match no-body would want to miss.

QF prediction:
Nadal v Stepanek
Ginepri v Mirnyi
Ljubicic v Gonzalez
Nalbandian v Roddick

Viken01
10-16-2005, 03:04 PM
As a david fan, i vote for him ;) he was a finalist last year after all and he beat ljubicic there

purple_star
10-16-2005, 07:01 PM
I have a feeling that the winner will be a complete surprise!

to the contrary. i think the year would end with only fed and nadal winning the masters series events. since fed is not in this tournment, then it would be nadal... plus the fact that it is in spain. :smash:

MariaV
10-16-2005, 07:05 PM
Voted for Rafa!!!!!! Vamos!!!! :bigclap: :yippee: :bounce:

Merton
10-16-2005, 08:12 PM
Andy should win here. He will be rested and should be very motivated.

robinhood
10-16-2005, 08:18 PM
My head says Nadal, but my heart roots for Ljubicic.

Galaxystorm
10-16-2005, 08:24 PM
My head says Nadal, but my heart roots for Ljubicic.

and what says your arrow ??

ClaycourtaZzZz.
10-16-2005, 08:25 PM
Ferrero:yeah:

robinhood
10-16-2005, 08:36 PM
and what says your arrow ??

Without Federer, the arrow is spinning in all directions.

shotgun
10-16-2005, 08:37 PM
:haha:

Sugar Kane
10-16-2005, 08:38 PM
My head says Nadal, but my heart roots for Ljubicic.
My head says Nadal and my heart says Nadal :lol:

Clara Bow
10-16-2005, 08:38 PM
It sounds like the Nadal's knee pain that the Vienna organizers were bitching about as being fake is a true problem. :sad: He doesn't wound too confident going in because of his hampered movement and since it is not his favorite surface.

A tranlated article from Europsport as posted on vr.com:

Nadal's knee is bothering him and he would be content if it was "7 out of 10" on Wednesday

Sunday 16 oct, 5:15 PM CET

MADRID, 16 (EUROPA PRESS)

Rafael Nadal is top seed and the main attraction at the Masters Series Madrid that begins tomorrow. However, a problem he has been having with one of his knees after an extremely busy season threatens his ability to perform well. The player hopes to have recovered by Wednesday when he has his first match.

The Mallorcan player who has won ten titles this year, says that at this point in the season "it is normal to get up in the morning with pain somewhere", although he admits he is worried with the continuing bother in one of his knees which got worse after yesterday's training.

"It is more worrying because it hurts: If every time you run it hurts, in the end it will affect your performance," he said and went on to explain that in the next hours, "I'll cut down the number of practice sessions and their intensity so that I begin playing with it as rested as possible."

He admitted, however, that "not being a fortune teller", he did not know in exactly what condition he would find himself for the match on Wednesday. "I hope my knee 'is a 10' but that'll be difficult and if 'it's a 7', I'll be content," he added.

Nadal admitted that this stage of the season is physically hard. "I'm worse physically than mentally. I've demanded a lot of myself and I am physically very tired but mentally I am very well. I really want to play well in this particular tournament," he explained. A tournament where he has never got further than the second round.

Despite being the top seed, Nadal does not think that he is favourite to win as "that only happens when Federer who is extraterrestrial is playing." :lol: "Everyone in tennis knows that the first , second or third seed doesn't always win, that all the players are pretty even. It is a difficult tournament that has the 40 best players in the world with complicated matches, and it's not my best surface, either."

Well- I hope Nadal adjusts next year's schedule accordingly and not play as much and also that he pulls out of Basel if his knee is troubling him. As a fan who really enjoys having him on tour- I hope that he takes care of his knee.

As much as I would like Nadal to win, I don't think he will. Instead, I think it will either be Roddick- who will start to reassert himself after a not too great year for him or Ivan Ljubicic- who seems to once again be in the zone. Either win would make me happy. It could also be fun to have a surprise winner. I would be tickled pink if Coria would win because he is getting better and better on faster surfaces. I don't think he will win- but it would be a hoot.

idolwatcher1
10-16-2005, 09:30 PM
Anyone forsee an early upset for Nadal?? :unsure:

Sugar Kane
10-16-2005, 09:43 PM
Anyone forsee an early upset for Nadal?? :unsure:
http://yelims.free.fr/Groumph/Peureux04.gifHope not!

Horatio Caine
10-16-2005, 09:48 PM
It ia about time for Henman to save his season again... :rolleyes:

El Legenda
10-16-2005, 09:49 PM
Henman wins TMS Madrid.





i didnt know they had senior draw for it. :lol:

ServeAlready81
10-16-2005, 09:51 PM
This is Andy's chance to win a Masters, with Federer and Hewitt both out.

Bilbo
10-16-2005, 10:20 PM
My Grandmother, she has achieved a wild card. :D

Horatio Caine
10-16-2005, 10:29 PM
My Grandmother, she has achieved a wild card. :D

Her draw is fairly tough...she hasn't got Burgsmuller in R1...and Volandri has drawn Moya. :(

Good luck to her though! :lol:

Horatio Caine
10-16-2005, 10:31 PM
Henman wins TMS Madrid.





i didnt know they had senior draw for it. :lol:

:( :bigcry: - you hurt my feelings! :tears:

Ljubo couldn't reach the final of any AMS event, let alone a seniors event...or even over 65 ;) :lol:

El Legenda
10-16-2005, 10:34 PM
:( :bigcry: - you hurt my feelings! :tears:

Ljubo couldn't reach the final of any AMS event, let alone a seniors event...or even over 65 ;) :lol:

came close last year, even on clay :lol:

to tell you the truth, i think BYE has good shot this year.

croat123
10-16-2005, 10:47 PM
ivan will hopefully make it 17 in a row

btw, he's 2 wins away from tying the croatian record for most consecutive wins (goran at 14 - he then lost a match and then won 13 more straight before getting injured)

lilfairyprincess
10-16-2005, 10:51 PM
i really don't know who is gonna win..i'd luv for nadal to win and i hope that article ^ is just his way of trying to prove to the vienna officials that his knee problem is actually real *well u can always hope right....*

i doubt that ljubicic will win..i think even today in his final he looked tired on sum points and don't think he'd be able to play another full week of tennis with hardly any break!

i see lotsa upsets and a *random* winner...maybe...lol-like i sed i dont no!

landoud
10-17-2005, 09:15 AM
nadal

oneandonlyhsn
10-17-2005, 09:29 AM
Mathieu

Exodus
10-17-2005, 09:36 AM
i think Ivan has a pretty good chance

Loremaster
10-17-2005, 09:36 AM
Roddick :worship:

bokehlicious
10-17-2005, 09:39 AM
Ljubo !! :woohoo:

euroka1
10-17-2005, 01:38 PM
This is Andy's chance to win a Masters, with Federer and Hewitt both out.

Roddick, unless he tanks.

Loremaster
10-17-2005, 02:01 PM
Roddick has ideal game for this surface if he serves like during Davis Cup(30+ aces on slow clay court ) he should win this without any Bigger problems so he has games he is healthy, fresh and wants to win some big titles badly = perfect combination to lift first TMS trophy in 2005 :)

gillian
10-17-2005, 02:04 PM
How come Coria's not in the poll :devil: I'm a big Coria booster now!

shotgun
10-17-2005, 02:07 PM
How come Coria's not in the poll :devil: I'm a big Coria booster now!

Coria is a dark horse. He's included in "others".

gillian
10-17-2005, 02:11 PM
I picked Nalbandian just to be obtuse :)

TennisGrandSlam
10-17-2005, 02:14 PM
Ivan Ljubicic or Roddick


Nadal? No way!

This is not clay even though he is a host player

willie
10-17-2005, 03:53 PM
i think a-rod has a chance in this one:)

RogiFan88
10-17-2005, 03:53 PM
Rafa and the tournament organizers [and Santana] are hoping that there won't be any "surprises" on Wed.

Yes, Rafa's injury was a fake and so is Rogi's... and Marat's...

Deea
10-17-2005, 03:57 PM
Rafa will win! or Andy!

Galaxystorm
10-17-2005, 06:08 PM
Bad news for Nadal . Today morning he was submitted to a magnetic resonance which showed an acute tendinosis, but he is gonna play on wednesday come what may.

lilfairyprincess
10-17-2005, 06:11 PM
Bad news for Nadal . Today morning he was submitted to a magnetic resonance which showed an acute tendinosis, but he is gonna play on wednesday come what may.

:eek:!!!!!

aw no..i was reali hoping it was just being exaggerated :sad: :sad: :sad:

MissMoJo
10-17-2005, 06:15 PM
Nalby? *hopes*

Clara Bow
10-17-2005, 06:16 PM
Bad news for Nadal . Today morning he was submitted to a magnetic resonance which showed an acute tendinosis, but he is gonna play on wednesday come what may.

Darn! :sad: But not expected. He has said repeatedly in his past few interviews that his knee has become more constantly painful. I thought that he was being legit in these assertions and not just saying things to hold off the screechings of the Vienna organizers or play mind games.

Heal soon Rafa! I have to think that he will not play Basel and/or Paris.

Castafiore
10-17-2005, 06:32 PM
Bad news for Nadal . Today morning he was submitted to a magnetic resonance which showed an acute tendinosis, but he is gonna play on wednesday come what may.
:sad:

he's going to play come what may?
OK...I hope he knows what he's doing :unsure:

Galaxystorm
10-17-2005, 06:39 PM
:sad:

he's going to play come what may?
OK...I hope he knows what he's doing :unsure:

In the last days he practises not much and is spending a lot of hours with physiotherapy treatment . He hopes to improve his knee before the first match

If it was other tournament he had alredy withdrewn , but as he has never got to make a great performance in Madrid the two previous years he is looking forward this tournament

Clara Bow
10-17-2005, 10:42 PM
More information about Nadal’s knee. It really does not sound good. I hate that he will be playing through the pain so as not to disappoint the tournament but I would imagine that is in large part since it is home-country tournament. I also wonder if over-the-top reaction of the Vienna tournament directors when he withdrew because of his knee is also causing him to play.
Nadal to 'play through pain'
From correspondents in Madrid
October 18, 2005

RAFAEL Nadal has promised not to let organisers down, vowing to play through any pain as top seed and major drawcard at this week's Madrid Masters.

"I'm a bit injured," said the teen French Open champion, one of the few household names remaining in a field which is missing Roger Federer, Andre Agassi, Lleyton Hewitt and Marat Safin.

The absent quartet of injured stars means that Nadal is being chased by American second seed Andy Roddick, with Argentines and Spaniards populating the draw for a Spanish-speaking tennis-mad public.

"I thought my knee was getting better, but yesterday I started feeling pain," said Nadal, who has withdrawn from doubles with Feliciano Lopez in order to conserve energy.

"I had an MRI and it showed severe tendinitis in one knee. But my will to play will be there no matter what happens."

Nadal, who begins after a second-round bye against Romanian Victor Hanescu, who defeated Czech Tomas Zib 6-1 6-4, said that he will have to refrain from training in order not to aggravate his knee more.

"It's not the best thing to keep my tennis level up, but it's best for my knee."

Boy- the number of injured players by the end of the season in both the ATP and WTA is getting worse every year. It reminds me of that panoramic scene in Gone With the Wind where Scarlett O’Hara is walking amongst the hundreds of injured soldiers. Only this time it is the poor tennis players writhing on the ground and clutching their knees, feet, shoulders, etc. They really need to ease up on the tennis calendars. It is getting ridiculous.

jenanun
10-17-2005, 11:58 PM
oh no! please...

Castafiore
10-18-2005, 07:15 AM
I hate that he will be playing through the pain so as not to disappoint the tournament but I would imagine that is in large part since it is home-country tournament. I also wonder if over-the-top reaction of the Vienna tournament directors when he withdrew because of his knee is also causing him to play.

The Vienna organizers were almost screaming bloody murder after Nadal pulled out of their tournament because of his knee. They are even going to one of the ATP meetings at the end of this month with the request to punish him for withdrawing at the last minute because they believed that his knee injury was fake. :rolleyes:

I hope that some of these players (ATP and WTA) are going to make a stand at one point to demand a more healthy schedule.


Yesterday, I read an article about the organizers in Madrid getting into a state of panic because of rumors that Nadal was going to withdraw (after getting results from the medical tests). At that moment, Rafael was in the dressing room, sitting on a chair, very relaxed, watching the match Grosjean vs Lopez when the president of the Spanish ATP and the PR responsible (at least, I think it was them...) came storming into the dressing room urging Rafa to give a press conference right now to calm the nerves of people.
I can understand the organizers of Madrid and Vienna and the effect his withdrawal might have on their tournament (certainly after Federer, Safin and Hewitt had to pull out) but his health has to come first.
So, I hope we can trust his good judgement and that of his uncle and his doctors and he makes the right decision.

Plenty of tournaments left, Rafa...take care of that body of yours!

nobama
10-18-2005, 11:35 AM
I don't think Nadal should play. He played a lot this year, a lot more than he needed to I think. You can't blame that on anyone but Nadal and his team. I mean why was he playing clay events in Europe before the US Open? He could've taken more time off after Wimbledon and just played Canada and Cincy and the the US Open. I believe even his coach Toni said he didn't want Rafa to play so much, but he couldn't talk him out of it. Of course Federer took 6 weeks off after Wimbledon and still managed to injure himself. Can't blame that on anything other than bad luck. I think if Nadal was smart, he'd pull out. This tournament isn't so important that he needs to play through the pain. He'll have plenty of chances to win this event in the future (when maybe his schedule isn't so crazy and he's not exhausted by the time Madrid comes around).

shotgun
10-18-2005, 12:26 PM
I don't think Nadal should play. He played a lot this year, a lot more than he needed to I think. You can't blame that on anyone but Nadal and his team. I mean why was he playing clay events in Europe before the US Open? He could've taken more time off after Wimbledon and just played Canada and Cincy and the the US Open. I believe even his coach Toni said he didn't want Rafa to play so much, but he couldn't talk him out of it. Of course Federer took 6 weeks off after Wimbledon and still managed to injure himself. Can't blame that on anything other than bad luck. I think if Nadal was smart, he'd pull out. This tournament isn't so important that he needs to play through the pain. He'll have plenty of chances to win this event in the future (when maybe his schedule isn't so crazy and he's not exhausted by the time Madrid comes around).

I totally agree with you. Federer, Safin and Hewitt have played less tournaments than any other player this year and they still managed to be injured in the last weeks of the calendar. So you can't blame the calendar, but their bad luck. As for Nadal, you should blame him for playing an unnecessary number of tournaments for a player who gets to the final (and therefore plays 5 matches a week) on almost every tournament he enters. IMO, the ATP calendar is ok.

nobama
10-18-2005, 01:08 PM
Well hopefully he won't risk it and will pull out. Of course the tournament director in Madrid will be po'd, but who cares. I'd rather have that than Rafa be seriously injured and not fit for TMC or AO. Players should know when their bodies need rest and when it's not a really important tournament. This one certainly isn't for Nadal. He can't catch Roger this year any more.

lilfairyprincess
10-19-2005, 09:04 PM
who does everyone think now after more of the people on the poll have lost their matches?

giocab
10-19-2005, 10:59 PM
i was gonna vote for andy, but he lost already :(
so i'm going with nadal

mangoes
10-19-2005, 11:27 PM
Well, I'm sticking with Ljubicic. He has the best opportunity to win this if he can reach the finals.

Jimnik
10-20-2005, 12:13 AM
It was possible before the tournament started but now I think it's very likely that somebody completely random is going to win this tournament. Nadal is the only player left who has already won Masters Series events but with his injury it looks like we'll see somebody win their first ever AMS event.

Maybe Ljubicic is the fav but has he got the nerve to win a big tournament like this? He hasn't yet performed in the major tournaments but, off course, this could be his big breakthrough. Davydenko and Nalba are next on the list but their form has been very inconsistent recently. I have a sneaky suspicion that Ginepri could make it to the final here. And what about Hrbaty, on the other side of the draw? He's proven he can get good results at the major tournaments on hard/indoor courts. Why not Karlovic? It wouldn't be the first time we've seen somebody come from nowhere to winning a major tournament (ie Gaudio RG 2004).

mangoes
10-20-2005, 12:38 AM
If Ljubicic doesn't choke, I think he has the best opportunity to close this one out..........FINALLY! As much as I respect the talent of Nadal, I really do think Ljubicic can beat him on this surface.

safdem
10-20-2005, 01:13 AM
nadal would have been able to win this, but because of his injury i think ljubicic has a great chance

RogiFan88
10-20-2005, 01:43 AM
Rafa Nadal, of course! Who else? Who's to stop him?

roddick#1tome
10-20-2005, 01:52 AM
does anyone know the stats for andy's match today? he was leadinggg :((((I((

lucashg
10-20-2005, 02:56 AM
If it wasn't for his injury, I'd say Nadal - but I don't really know how bad it is, and just caught a bit of his match, so couldn't really see him being so bothered by it. Of course, there were some limitations, but will this be something big to take him out of the tournament?

I also think Ljubicic has a great chance, considering his form ever since the DC tie. He's on a roll like he was at the beginning of the year and this time, there's no Federer stopping him, but he's yet to do something big in an AMS event, hopefully he can pull off a nice result, at least.

I'm hoping this could also be a big breakthrough to some players like Nalbandian, Robredo or even Ljubicic himself, but I'll be on Coria's bandwagon for this tournament :p

niko
10-20-2005, 04:29 AM
David Nalbandian, hopefully!

MIRE
10-20-2005, 12:36 PM
does anyone know the stats for andy's match today? he was leadinggg :((((I((
Roddick lost .

revolution
10-20-2005, 12:42 PM
Ljubicic, Nalbandian I guess are contenders, maybe Nadal as well.

Jimnik
10-20-2005, 05:28 PM
David Nalbandian, hopefully!
I hope so too. Now that my 2 favs are out ( :mad: ) I'll be rooting for Nalba.