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Will spanish baseliners can beat serve&volley guys ??

Galaxystorm
10-14-2005, 07:35 PM
I see a final Stepanek-Ljubicic , and you ??

El Legenda
10-14-2005, 07:41 PM
ljubicic serve and volley? what :haha: Ljubicic is power serve and blasting FH and BH from line.

2005 Dubai, Hard, S
U.A.E. Hard S Ljubicic 4 6 3 6
2004 Monte Carlo AMS, Clay, R64
Monaco Clay R64 Ljubicic 4 6 6 7

H2H Robredo vs Ljubicic

my pick: Ivan 6-3 6-4. still has not dropped a set in Vienna or Serve i think

Fumus
10-14-2005, 07:45 PM
I like Stepanek's game, he's very efficient.

Loremaster
10-14-2005, 07:48 PM
no Way
this tournamnet is for Juan Carols Ferrero :) he will beat Ljubicic in final, after beating so easily Nalbandian
and Ferrero is one of the best returners when he is in form so Ljubicic will lose serve and not only once !:) and I thing even Robredo could sneak his serve once

El Legenda
10-14-2005, 07:50 PM
no Way
this tournamnet is for Juan Carols Ferrero :) he will beat Ljubicic in final, after beating so easily Nalbandian
and Ferrero is one of the best returners when he is in form so Ljubicic will lose serve and not only once !:) and I thing even Robredo could sneak his serve once

Davydenko is Top 10 or Top 5 in all of the return stats. 6-1 6-4 last time vs Ivan indoor

Fumus
10-14-2005, 07:52 PM
Davydenko is Top 10 or Top 5 in all of the return stats. 6-1 6-4 last time vs Ivan indoor

That just cuz Davydenko plays alot on clay. Anyones return stats rock if they play on alot on the dirt.

Fergie
10-14-2005, 07:55 PM
I see a final Stepanek-Ljubicic , and you ??
Me too ;)

El Legenda
10-14-2005, 07:55 PM
That just cuz Davydenko plays alot on clay. Anyones return stats rock if they play on alot on the dirt.

well i still likes Ivan almost 100% serve hold :lol: indoor and 24-3 record :)

Galaxystorm
10-14-2005, 07:56 PM
ljubicic serve and volley? what :haha: Ljubicic is power serve and blasting FH and BH from line.

2005 Dubai, Hard, S
U.A.E. Hard S Ljubicic 4 6 3 6
2004 Monte Carlo AMS, Clay, R64
Monaco Clay R64 Ljubicic 4 6 6 7

H2H Robredo vs Ljubicic

my pick: Ivan 6-3 6-4. still has not dropped a set in Vienna or Serve i think

In the strict sense of the expression we couldn't consider Ivan as a serve-volley player like Dent , Mirnyi ... are

But sometimes simplifying playstyles , players are divided in two groups ( baseliners and serve-volley players ) and making this simplification a lot of players are inserted incorretly in one of these groups when surely it would be necessary more groups than two to differentiate playstyles . Then i was only making a simplification with Ljubicic's playstyle.

Sjengster
10-14-2005, 08:16 PM
It would be easier to differentiate them as big servers vs groundstrokers, because they all primarily play from the baseline with the exception of Stepanek. As for the matches tomorrow, I really can't call Ferrero v Stepanek - despite what some people say above, the return on a fast surface is not exactly Ferrero's forte and never will be, so Radek has a chance if he serves well, blankets the net immediately and gets into tiebreaks as he did today. He can't possibly break down Ferrero from the baseline considering the respective quality of their groundies, especially on the forehand side.

I'm hoping Ljubo will repeat his easy win over Robredo in the Dubai semis earlier this year, but you never know if fatigue might play a factor or whether Roboro has a good return day, I think he can play well against big servers not named Roddick. If we do get that all-Spanish final, check out the Ferrero-Robredo head to head and you can see who the clear favourite should be.

TheBoiledEgg
10-14-2005, 08:16 PM
Ljubicic, only time he comes to net is to shake hands or change ends

ClaycourtaZzZz.
10-14-2005, 08:16 PM
I can see a Ferrero-Ljubicic Final.

Sjengster
10-14-2005, 08:19 PM
Ljubicic, only time he comes to net is to shake hands or change ends

You just need to watch him play from the back to see that he was brought up on clay, his strokes are very loopy off both sides. Mind you, he can obviously volley, from what I've seen of him in doubles with Ancic he comes in behind his serve just as much as his younger partner. Put it this way, he knows what he's doing up there more than, say, Johansson the Younger.

marcelwks
10-14-2005, 08:21 PM
Stepanek - Ljubo for me :)

Fumus
10-14-2005, 08:21 PM
well i still likes Ivan almost 100% serve hold :lol: indoor and 24-3 record :)

Agreed. With a serve like that, it's down right homoerotic to say he won't be holding 90% of the time.

adee-gee
10-14-2005, 08:25 PM
JCF - Hurricane Ivan final

KoOlMaNsEaN
10-14-2005, 09:27 PM
I've seen it a ton of times before!

cecilija
10-14-2005, 10:50 PM
radek-ivan the final with radek winning his first title :)

Jimnik
10-15-2005, 12:21 AM
I see a final Stepanek-Ljubicic , and you ??
Unfortunately, so do I.
In fact, without Federer and Safin, I think these two are among the favourites at AMS Madrid next week.

Jimnik
10-15-2005, 12:29 AM
no Way
this tournamnet is for Juan Carols Ferrero :) he will beat Ljubicic in final, after beating so easily Nalbandian
and Ferrero is one of the best returners when he is in form so Ljubicic will lose serve and not only once !:) and I thing even Robredo could sneak his serve onceYes :worship: My wish is your prediction.

But don't you think that Stepanek's game is so much more effective on an indoor court than JC? What I have to admire about Radek is that he makes the game look so simple. He doesn't have any big weapons but he uses his brain very well. He seems to always play the right shot at the right time - shot selection is so important on this surface.

It always looks like he comes into his matches with a game plan that him and his coaches have discussed the previous day. Did anybody see their match in Rotterdam this year? I hope JC has learned from that experience.

Sjengster
10-15-2005, 12:36 AM
Doesn't have any big weapons? He's a serve-volley player with very good touch and a ridiculous propensity for dropshots, which don't always work but they can be a very useful tactic when deployed effectively (see: the first set against Nadal in Rome this year). His serve is extremely well placed and he varies it well, it keeps a lot of opponents guessing.

It's on the return that I can see what you're talking about, he seems to suck players into errors by floating the ball back and then from nowhere manages to bluff a break of serve. He guides his groundies rather than hitting them, that's just about the only way he can be effective on the forehand side, but the two-hander is a quality shot - on matchpoint against Mirnyi in Paris last year, he hit a fairly soft backhand short in the court but perfectly placed down the line, drawing the big man out wide and leaving an easy volley putaway into the open space for the match.

El Legenda
10-15-2005, 12:37 AM
7 total games for Robreto tomorrow :)

Neely
10-15-2005, 01:01 PM
Ferrero is currently playing well. Looks like he will make the final and not Stepanek. Stepanek has after the first set 18 errors from the baseline, Ferrero just 3. Easy to say that Stepanek's game plan does not work so far.

RogiFan88
10-15-2005, 02:52 PM
Yep, Juanqui beat Radek 76 63...