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Players You Shouldn’t Like But Like Anyway

gillian
10-11-2005, 02:38 PM
We’ve all got our favorites, and some of them may be unpopular – either with fans or other players.

Mine: Guillermo Coria. Choker? Cheater? Doper? All-around surly troublemaker? Yes and maybe to most of those, but I still like him. I’d been a fan of his for a while, but his Davis Cup antics vs. Australia and his dust-up at the USO with Nicolas Massu sealed it. When he mocked Massu’s injury, I thought “what a little jerk,” and was smitten for good. How wrong is that-LOL.

Who’s yours?

PaulieM
10-11-2005, 02:49 PM
yup coria for me too, he's one of the few guys that when he's a douche i'm like yup that's just the way he is and i love it. :)

Julio1974
10-11-2005, 03:23 PM
Mine is also Coria. I like him, despite his on-court behaviour (he's is improving though and he and Hewitt are not the only ones, as some people tend to believe !!!).

But he did not mock Massu's injury. Coria didn't believe Massu was injured. Remember that Cañas also had the same problem with Nico in Dusseldorf.

Truc
10-11-2005, 03:37 PM
Obviously Coria for me too. I'm not blind, I know how he is, but I love it, you explained it better than I could, Gillian.

Hewitt for the same reasons.

Maybe also Pimpim for me. Normally I can't stand players with a big serve, Pimpim's game is incredibly boring to me, but I can't help liking him, he is kind of touching (especially when he plays on clay and really sucks).

jazz_girl
10-11-2005, 04:01 PM
Coria without a doubt :lol:

Fumus
10-11-2005, 04:22 PM
Yea, I used to hate Coria but now I love him. He's one of the most interesting/fun people to watch on the tour and I like watching him work his magic or magia as it were ;)

Winston's Human
10-11-2005, 04:22 PM
For me, it's Vince Spadea.

Sure he is whiny and annoying, but how can you not like someone who overcame a twenty-one match losing streak and got back into the top 25.

Fumus
10-11-2005, 04:23 PM
For me, it's Vince Spadea.

Sure he is whiny and annoying, but how can you not like someone who overcame a twenty-one match losing streak and got back into the top 25.


I think it's easy for alot of people...:haha:

Dirk
10-11-2005, 04:25 PM
Coria for me as well. He is very magical on the court.

gillian
10-11-2005, 04:30 PM
(But I'm not sure he was mocking Massu when he was limping.)

Hmmmm, maybe I should edit my original post to say "Massu's alleged injury" :) I remember Jim Courier being pretty miffed at Coria's antics during that match, which, of course, made me love Guillermo even more.

NicoFan
10-11-2005, 04:42 PM
I was at the Nico/Guillermo match. Were any of you at the match that are posting about Nico's injury?????

I was not only at that match, but I saw Nico about 18 days during August.

Before the match he was stretching much more than he usually does. And stretching continously throughout the match.

He has been have problems with his upper thigh. When it happened again in DC against Pakistan, he said it has been bothering him for about 3 months.

About Dusseldorf - Nico had a hernia operation late last year, a stress fracture in his foot at the Oz Open, and injured his ankle badly before Miami. So his first match this year was Houston.

Do you think that maybe it would take time for his body to come back from all that? Hmmm...yeah maybe. Do you think that maybe just maybe that trying to physically come back would lead to other physical problems??? Hmm....yeah maybe.

Unless you know the full story, save us all the bother of having to read your opinions on a situation that you obviously know nothing about.

Sparko1030
10-11-2005, 04:45 PM
Mine is also Coria. I like him, despite his on-court behaviour (he's is improving though and he and Hewitt are not the only ones, as some people tend to believe !!!).

But he did not mock Massu's injury. Coria didn't believe Massu was injured. Remember that Cañas also had the same problem with Nico in Dusseldorf.

:rolleyes: Yes, Nico has been "faking" injuries all year...He went so far as to miss practically the first half of the year. What he won't do for attention. C'mon...

NicoFan
10-11-2005, 04:50 PM
:rolleyes: Yes, Nico has been "faking" injuries all year...He went so far as to miss practically the first half of the year. What he won't do for attention. C'mon...

LOL Sparko!!!

That Nico...just wants attention. Faked his hernia. Faked the stress fraction. Faked the ankle injury. The little faker... ;)

And anyone that says that they like a player more because they mock another player's injury - says a lot about them, doesn't it????

Baseline
10-11-2005, 04:54 PM
Hmmmm, maybe I should edit my original post to say "Massu's alleged injury" :) I remember Jim Courier being pretty miffed at Coria's antics during that match, which, of course, made me love Guillermo even more.

Ditto. When John McEnroe was commentating, without Courier around, he brought up Massu as being like Mary Pierce in taking an unecessary gamesmanship time out. Courier loves Massu - made a point of gushing over him which is probably why USA showed his 1R match v. Gambill although both players were in a significant slump at the time. Courier was extremely rude to one of his co-hosts during the Open coverage, told him in a mean way to stick to the point, so I don't care for him in general.

There were a lot of reasons for the animosity between Massu and Coria that weren't mentioned by Courier. I was at the match itself, which gives and takes away insight, so some of this I found out later, can't verify accuracy.

- I belive it was after Massu took the second trainer break, Coria said then he needed a trainer for his lost toenails, and Massu questioned whether that was a real injury. IMO lost toenails are excrutiating and can really limit mobility, so I find it ironic/wrong if Massu really questioned it. Could understand Coria being miffed after Massu took not one, but 2 trainer breaks which Coria didn't question. That doesn't excuse making fun of a leg injury if it was real, but might explain why he was annoyed enough to do it. It was obvious Coria's toes were hurting him when he changed socks - also at DC, the toes seemed to hurt more than the left leg e.g.

- Time it took to serve - Coria complained to ump about the extremely long time Massu was taking to serve - toward beginning of match I think.

- Man in the crowd was screaming "double" during a critical phase of Coria's service action. I could hear the man very clearly from across the stadium and it was coming from the vicinity of Massu's box, but couldn't tell exactly who was screaming. Read in some sources that Coria said the man was in Massu's box and that Coria spoke to him about it, and that Massu thought Coria was criticizing Massu's own father.

NicoFan
10-11-2005, 05:00 PM
- Man in the crowd was screaming "double" during a critical phase of Coria's service action. I could hear the man very clearly from across the stadium and it was coming from the vicinity of Massu's box, but couldn't tell exactly who was screaming. Read in some sources that Coria said the man was in Massu's box and that Coria spoke to him about it, and that Massu thought Coria was criticizing Massu's own father.

That's so ludicrous that I'm shouldn't even be responding to it.

The place was packed...as you know since you said you were there.

So Coria could tell that someone yelling "double" came from Nico's box????

And Coria is known for causing trouble during matches (and I do like Guillle). He does it just to upset his opponents.

Put it this way: Coria's fellow players dislike him. Nico's fellow players like him. End of story.

Julio1974
10-11-2005, 05:00 PM
:rolleyes: Yes, Nico has been "faking" injuries all year...He went so far as to miss practically the first half of the year. What he won't do for attention. C'mon...

I did not say Nico faked the injury. I simply explained that Coria thought so. I can't really tell from the TV box whether an injury is real or not.

In any case, you have to admit that Nico is no saint either...

NicoFan
10-11-2005, 05:03 PM
Ditto. When John McEnroe was commentating, without Courier around, he brought up Massu as being like Mary Pierce in taking an unecessary gamesmanship time out. Courier loves Massu - made a point of gushing over him which is probably why USA showed his 1R match v. Gambill although both players were in a significant slump at the time. Courier was extremely rude to one of his co-hosts during the Open coverage, told him in a mean way to stick to the point, so I don't care for him in general.


And have to respond to this too.

You really believe that Jim Courier is the one that tells the networks which matches to watch. Really - get real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They showed Gambill because USA Network always shows the Americans!!!!!!!

And Nico has always been slow...always. That's his style of playing just like Andre likes to play fast. As one of the guys on the international feed said - Nico is a very deliberate player. And he should play the way he feels most comfortable playing.

NicoFan
10-11-2005, 05:08 PM
I did not say Nico faked the injury. I simply explained that Coria thought so. I can't really tell from the TV box whether an injury is real or not.

In any case, you have to admit that Nico is no saint either...

He's not a saint...but don't make him into a monster either. Coria and Hewitt have reputations for causing trouble on court. Nico does not. So don't make him into something that he's not.

As I said - Coria is disliked immensely by the players. Nico is very much liked. And that says it all.

The fans take on things is generally unreliable. They see these guys for 5 minutes or watch them once a year on TV, and they think they "know" them.

Well...NOT.

You go by the people that know them best. And I rarely hear players complaining about Nico like they do with other players....and that includes Coria. How many players has he pissed off - Gaston, Andre, Luis, and now Nico. And I'm sure I've missed many others.

And btw - why is this coming up again? It was debated endlessly at the time. Old news...is this a slow tennis week??? lol!

gillian
10-11-2005, 05:11 PM
And btw - why is this coming up again? It was debated endlessly at the time. Old news...is this a slow tennis week??? lol!

I brought up the Coria/Massu match in passing in my original post. Certainly not my intention to have this turn into a Coria vs. Massu thread.

Julio1974
10-11-2005, 05:15 PM
He's not a saint...but don't make him into a monster either. Coria and Hewitt have reputations for causing trouble on court. Nico does not. So don't make him into something that he's not.

As I said - Coria is disliked immensely by the players. Nico is very much liked. And that says it all.

The fans take on things is generally unreliable. They see these guys for 5 minutes or watch them once a year on TV, and they think they "know" them.

Well...NOT.

You go by the people that know them best. And I rarely hear players complaining about Nico like they do with other players....and that includes Coria. How many players has he pissed off - Gaston, Andre, Luis, and now Nico. And I'm sure I've missed many others.

And btw - why is this coming up again? It was debated endlessly at the time. Old news...is this a slow tennis week??? lol!

Of course he is not a monster... I don't have anything against Nico. Since the first poster said that Coria was mocking Nico's injury I simply tried to explain that Coria thought it was not a real injury. That's all.

And I know Coria pissed off many other players. Nico also did (cañas was not the only one), but he can't be compared with Coria in that regard ( I concede that).

PaulieM
10-11-2005, 05:15 PM
hewitt is also growing on me slowly. i try to think that he's not as much of a dick as he seems to be sometimes, because aside from the stuff he says i actuallly quite like to watch him play.

NicoFan
10-11-2005, 05:21 PM
Of course he is not a monster... I don't have anything against Nico. Since the first poster said that Coria was mocking Nico's injury I simply tried to explain that Coria thought it was not a real injury. That's all.

And I know Coria pissed off many other players. Nico also did (cañas was not the only one), but he can't be compared with Coria in that regard ( I concede that).

Explanation accepted...lol!...but all players piss off other players at time...I'm sure Nico has on a number of occassions - Sargsian being one that I witness for myself, and I've always hoped that Nico apologized for it to Sarge but doubt it and wish he had.

But Coria and Hewitt have made annoying other players on court an art form...just putting that here for the record... ;)

Baseline
10-11-2005, 05:22 PM
LOL Sparko!!!

That Nico...just wants attention. Faked his hernia. Faked the stress fraction. Faked the ankle injury. The little faker... ;)

And anyone that says that they like a player more because they mock another player's injury - says a lot about them, doesn't it????

These are good points. I can appreciate the irony here as in the past it was Coria getting blamed for faking injuries. Maybe it's because I'm a fan, but IMO most if not all of Coria's trainer calls were for real injuries. You can't always tell how much pain a player is in, some are good at hiding it. Coria rarely calls for trainers anymore. I suspect he's been playing with pain rather than call trainers when he needs them, because of all the criticism. So, instead of continuing to bash, I'd rather give the benefit of the doubt to the player. Injuries on tour are rampant and real.

As for mocking a leg injury, that's also ironic as I thought Coria complained about Gaudio doing that to him in the past. Instead of continuing a cycle of mockery, it's better to learn from the bad things done to us by not repeating them. I thought I read that Coria said he wasn't mocking Massu in his limping, but was having a problem of his own - maybe the toenails? I don't know if he was or not, but many thought it was clearly mockery, which is IMO wrong. If Coria did it, I certainly don't approve or like him better for it, but I could excuse it somewhat if Coria was upset Massu questioned Coria's need for a trainer to treat lost toenails.

They were both emotional and it was a long! and hot match, in more ways than one, with both having physical problems. Coria was also trying to recover from the flu and with the ATP anti-doping vigilantes, unable to take any drugs for it. What makes me a little sad about it is that I had thought Coria and Massu got along well together in the past. I hope it was a misunderstanding and they are able to work it out between themselves.

Eclectic Goddess
10-11-2005, 05:27 PM
Sorry to drag this thread back on course, but some of my unwilling favorites are:

Lleyton Hewitt - He's a little bastard, even swore at me once during a match in which I was rooting for the other guy. It was great! I just love his passion and determination.

Arnaud Clement - He's surly and mean to ball kids, but so freakin' cute! Plus, he's so much fun to watch on the practice courts (particularly with the other Frenchmen).

Mark Philippoussis - Well...he sucks and he has a bad attitude, but I just can't resist his so flamingly obvious gay-ness. I so want to be his beard.

NicoFan
10-11-2005, 05:33 PM
These are good points. I can appreciate the irony here as in the past it was Coria getting blamed for faking injuries. Maybe it's because I'm a fan, but IMO most if not all of Coria's trainer calls were for real injuries. You can't always tell how much pain a player is in, some are good at hiding it. Coria rarely calls for trainers anymore. I suspect he's been playing with pain rather than call trainers when he needs them, because of all the criticism. So, instead of continuing to bash, I'd rather give the benefit of the doubt to the player. Injuries on tour are rampant and real.

As for mocking a leg injury, that's also ironic as I thought Coria complained about Gaudio doing that to him in the past. Instead of continuing a cycle of mockery, it's better to learn from the bad things done to us by not repeating them. I thought I read that Coria said he wasn't mocking Massu in his limping, but was having a problem of his own - maybe the toenails? I don't know if he was or not, but many thought it was clearly mockery, which is IMO wrong. If Coria did it, I certainly don't approve or like him better for it, but I could excuse it somewhat if Coria was upset Massu questioned Coria's need for a trainer to treat lost toenails.

They were both emotional and it was a long! and hot match, in more ways than one, with both having physical problems. Coria was also trying to recover from the flu and with the ATP anti-doping vigilantes, unable to take any drugs for it. What makes me a little sad about it is that I had thought Coria and Massu got along well together in the past. I hope it was a misunderstanding and they are able to work it out between themselves.

Well, I like Guille too - despite it all. There's something about him that I get a kick out of... :) And I figure that since Carla adores him, there's something we're all missing...lol! ;) Plus I don't blame him for having a chip on his shoulder...he was wrongly accused and they've pretty much said that he was wrongly accused. I'd be totally pissed off all the time if I was him - all that time wasted. And he sees the South Americans as being not treated as well - and agree with him on that too. I give him credit for having the guts to say it too!

Actually Nico and Guille did get along...I think they will work it out if they already haven't done so already. That's why I couldn't understand all the re-hash here - I'm sure Nico and Guille are well beyond this.

Sparko1030
10-11-2005, 05:43 PM
I did not say Nico faked the injury. I simply explained that Coria thought so. I can't really tell from the TV box whether an injury is real or not.

In any case, you have to admit that Nico is no saint either...

Sorry that I misunderstood you Julio. You're right, we can't tell from the TV if an injury is real not but I do stand by the fact that Nico has been plagued with injuries the first half of the year. And Nico a saint? No, but what player is? And I have to agree with Nicofan's observation that Coria is unpopular with players while Nico seems to get along with most.

mandoura
10-11-2005, 05:48 PM
For me it is Hewitt. His passion on court is just too much for me. I think at times he is arrogant and rude to his opponents. Then, I watch his interviews and can't resist liking him. He is very objective and gives credit where it is due.

As for Coria, I like him a lot even if he is labelled a "weasel". For me, he is rather El Mago.

Baseline
10-11-2005, 05:53 PM
That's so ludicrous that I'm shouldn't even be responding to it.

The place was packed...as you know since you said you were there.

So Coria could tell that someone yelling "double" came from Nico's box????


I didn't say Coria could tell who was yelling it, I couldn't tell exactly who, but I very clearly heard it as during the service itself the crowds were generally silent. Coria could have made up that it was coming from Nico's box, I have no idea about that, but it's equally plausible "he thought" it was someone in the box.

I don't know why you are questioning whether I was there. You can quiz me if you want. I took pictures if you want/need proof?

As for all the players hating Coria and no one liking him, that's as untrue as the complaints about Massu. Quite a few players get along well with Coria, like Guga, Ferrero, Sanguinetti, Moya, Safin who went to a concert with him too I heard. And players have said nice things about him. Andy Murray said Coria is his favorite player, Djokovic was impressed how nice Coria was to him at RG, and I remember one player telling how when Coria accidently hit a ball girl with the racquet he threw at a ball, he said Coria wasn't required to forfeit because "he's a nice guy." The nice compliments don't get repeated as much as the negative ones, however, building upon the negative image. Just after the Massu match, Courier couldn't believe Coria was congratulating Ginepri and giving him a high five in the QF. IMO some of the negative perception of Coria comes from his being very shy - that doesn't come across on court, but from accounts of people who know him the best, he is.

As for Andre, there are a lot of issues the press doesn't comment upon that explain what I thought was Andre's extreme overreaction at Coria questioning one call in Rome this year - such as Agassi's trainer wanting to work with Coria and Agassi's irritation at losing to Coria on clay. Andre doesn't get upset with Coria during matches on hard courts when Andre is winning, just on clay when he is losing. At Houston Clay this year, Andre threw his racquet down in anger and disgust. I like Andre, but he's not exactly perfect himself.

And as for Hewitt, the US press never mentions the incident during a junior competition when Hewitt stood on his balcony with a sign telling the Argentines (Coria and Nalbandian) to go home, and using a derogatory slang for Argentinean. There is a lot of history and personal stuff we fans don't know about.

NicoFan
10-11-2005, 05:57 PM
And Nico a saint? No, but what player is?

And do we want any of them to be saints? lol!!! No, no, no...saints are boring... (*wink*) (can't get my smilies to work..). Bad boys are more fun...lol! Which is why some of us like the Guille's, Marat's, Nico's, etc. etc.

Sparko1030
10-11-2005, 06:02 PM
And do we want any of them to be saints? lol!!! No, no, no...saints are boring... (*wink*) (can't get my smilies to work..). Bad boys are more fun...lol! Which is why some of us like the Guille's, Marat's, Nico's, etc. etc.

:yeah: Ironically I think that's what this thread is really about!!!

Chloe le Bopper
10-11-2005, 06:04 PM
Maybe also Pimpim for me. Normally I can't stand players with a big serve, Pimpim's game is incredibly boring to me, but I can't help liking him, he is kind of touching (especially when he plays on clay and really sucks).

Dent is one for me, for similar reasons to this. I don't enjoy his type of game at all usually, but I make an exceptions for the Denthead. I think it goes back to the couple times that I've seen him live and he's been a really good sport both times. I'm aware that this probably isn't the case ALL the time, but impressions like that stick.

Baseline
10-11-2005, 06:04 PM
Sorry for helping turn this into a Coria/Massu thread. I'll reform.

I love watching the players who express themselves on court, whether positive or negative, it's exciting and often improves the play. The zen out of body approach might win more games, but it's not as interesting from a fan's perspective.

I also like Hewitt a lot and didn't like seeing him quiet after the DC match with Coria. Hewitt is much more fun when he is pumped up.

Safin is great to watch whether smashing his racquet into a chair, talking to himself, tanking, or playing in top form. Mercurial? Keep it up Marat, it's working.

Socket
10-11-2005, 06:05 PM
Mark Philippoussis - Well...he sucks and he has a bad attitude, but I just can't resist his so flamingly obvious gay-ness. I so want to be his beard.
Ditto. Mark reminds of a big, dopey dog with soulful eyes and nothing between the ears. It makes me overlook the fact that he's made approximately 3 intelligent decisions on the court since the start of his career.

mangoes
10-11-2005, 06:08 PM
Yea...............I have to go with Coria too.

NicoFan
10-11-2005, 06:08 PM
I didn't say Coria could tell who was yelling it, I couldn't tell exactly who, but I very clearly heard it as during the service itself the crowds were generally silent. Coria could have made up that it was coming from Nico's box, I have no idea about that, but it's equally plausible "he thought" it was someone in the box.

I don't know why you are questioning whether I was there. You can quiz me if you want. I took pictures if you want/need proof?

As for all the players hating Coria and no one liking him, that's as untrue as the complaints about Massu. Quite a few players get along well with Coria, like Guga, Ferrero, Sanguinetti, Moya, Safin who went to a concert with him too I heard. And players have said nice things about him. Andy Murray said Coria is his favorite player, Djokovic was impressed how nice Coria was to him at RG, and I remember one player telling how when Coria accidently hit a ball girl with the racquet he threw at a ball, he said Coria wasn't required to forfeit because "he's a nice guy." The nice compliments don't get repeated as much as the negative ones, however, building upon the negative image. Just after the Massu match, Courier couldn't believe Coria was congratulating Ginepri and giving him a high five in the QF. IMO some of the negative perception of Coria comes from his being very shy - that doesn't come across on court, but from accounts of people who know him the best, he is.

As for Andre, there are a lot of issues the press doesn't comment upon that explain what I thought was Andre's extreme overreaction at Coria questioning one call in Rome this year - such as Agassi's trainer wanting to work with Coria and Agassi's irritation at losing to Coria on clay. Andre doesn't get upset with Coria during matches on hard courts when Andre is winning, just on clay when he is losing. At Houston Clay this year, Andre threw his racquet down in anger and disgust. I like Andre, but he's not exactly perfect himself.

And as for Hewitt, the US press never mentions the incident during a junior competition when Hewitt stood on his balcony with a sign telling the Argentines (Coria and Nalbandian) to go home, and using a derogatory slang for Argentinean. There is a lot of history and personal stuff we fans don't know about.

Sorry...was annoyed about people picking on Nico and took it out on you. My apologies.

Wasn't questionning whether you were there, just questionning whether Guille could tell in such a large crowd where a shout came from.

And rewatched the match over the weekend taping it for someone and was surprised all over again how packed it was which made it a really fun match to watch because everyone was into it - even with Nico losing, it was one of my favorite matches of the tournament because they were both so passionate and getting on each other - when Nico stood up during the changeover, I was cracking up. Knew nothing would happen, but it was entertaining! lol! That's why I was surprised when I came back on MTF after my last day at the USO and saw all the controversy - two guys in a passionate moment...no biggy.

Agree about the fans not knowing everything. That's why I rarely diss a player. If I don't like a player, I keep it to myself. And go by how the other players feel about them.

Guille does have players that like him...Tim is another one. And players that hate him - Gaston for example. But as I said before, I usually give him the benefit of the doubt - he's young, he's had crappy things happen to him, etc. And like you said, there's the Hewitt incident against him.

Again, apologies. I'm just tired of the hate threads on the board. Not just against Nico. But against Andy, Rafa, the list goes on. Unless we're involved in tennis and really have the inside info (which means we wouldn't be posting here! lol!), we should keep the hate messages to a minimum for something really bad.

mandoura
10-11-2005, 06:11 PM
Nicofan, Massu must be very lucky to have you as his fan. You seem to know him well. Tell me sweetie, is he nice in person? Did you talk to him personally? How would you describe your encounters with him? :)

NicoFan
10-11-2005, 06:12 PM
:yeah: Ironically I think that's what this thread is really about!!!

So true...

So here's my list:

1) Safin - so lovable even though he s/b #2 at least and doesn't seem to be able to get it together. I like that he's a headcase...he makes the game fun.

2) Guille - s/b nothing to like about him - but do.

That's it. Most players I like. They are what they are. :)

mandoura
10-11-2005, 06:16 PM
Sorry for helping turn this into a Coria/Massu thread. I'll reform.

I love watching the players who express themselves on court, whether positive or negative, it's exciting and often improves the play. The zen out of body approach might win more games, but it's not as interesting from a fan's perspective.

I also like Hewitt a lot and didn't like seeing him quiet after the DC match with Coria. Hewitt is much more fun when he is pumped up.

Safin is great to watch whether smashing his racquet into a chair, talking to himself, tanking, or playing in top form. Mercurial? Keep it up Marat, it's working.

Me too. I love a player who makes me react. The type of reaction is really irrelevant. :lol:

Sparko1030
10-11-2005, 06:19 PM
Nicofan, Massu must be very lucky to have you as his fan. You seem to know him well. Tell me sweetie, is he nice in person? Did you talk to him personally? How would you describe your encounters with him? :)


:topic: Do you know Nico Mandoura? Thought this thread just got back on track??? Perhaps you'd like to start another thread for this...Just have a feeling this could go on a bit..

Scotso
10-11-2005, 06:21 PM
Lleyton Hewitt :p

NicoFan
10-11-2005, 06:29 PM
Nicofan, Massu must be very lucky to have you as his fan. You seem to know him well. Tell me sweetie, is he nice in person? Did you talk to him personally? How would you describe your encounters with him? :)

Nico seems very nice in person. I've been watching him since 2002 - so see him every year at the US Open. This year, I saw him 18 days - in DC, Cincy, Pilot Pen, and USO. And he was nice to the fans, give lots of autographs, had his picture taken with fans almost every practice. Chilean fans ask him for a lot of things...like racquets, shirts, etc., but there's so many of them, he can't give them to all of them, so he always patiently explains why he can't. (Ditto with Fernando who has to do the same). He's very popular with the Chilean fans when I've seen him in person. Yes, he doesn't always sign, but it was always when he lost. And very few players sign autographs when they lose.

Like one of the Chilean fans said - yes, he can be tempermental on court, but he's funny about it. Something that you realize when you see him in person, but that is lost on TV.

I don't believe in bothering players so I've never tried to talk to him. Especially never off court - I don't believe that fans should try to talk to them outside the tournament grounds for any reason whatsoever. They get what they get when they do that. lol!!!

But since I can't "know" him being a fan, I do know someone involved in tennis that does see him frequently and asked him to tell me the truth about Nico! lol! I wanted to make sure that he was as nice as he seemed - and he said that Nico was very nice, very well liked by all the players. And met a coach this summer - said that both Nico and Fernando were great guys, very nice.

That's why I don't go by fans reports - they see a player once not sign autographs and they freak out. You can't tell anything about a person by 5 minutes or 5 days. You have to be in their inner circle, knowing them for months and months, seeing them daily.

We wouldn't want to be judged by someone that's only known us briefly...and its not fair to judge them either that way.

Plus we have to really know the person who is judging the player. Are they nice? Can their opinion be trusted?

BTW - seeing many fans behavior over my 18 days this summer - Nico spent a lot of time doing autographs, but a lot of players hide from the fans. I actually don't blame them. A lot of fans don't behave very well. I heard some of the nicest players dissed by fans. It was unreal. And a lot of these "fans" were older - in their 30s and 40s - should know better than that.

gillian
10-11-2005, 06:39 PM
Safin is great to watch whether smashing his racquet into a chair, talking to himself, tanking, or playing in top form. Mercurial? Keep it up Marat, it's working.

I think everyone here knows how I feel about Mr. M. Safin. Missing him terribly right now.

joyk
10-11-2005, 06:46 PM
Coria-although he`s not as bad as people say(compare him to Nastase :worship: :worship: :worship: ).Safin isn`t an angel either(he breaks everything,he fights with umpires and there`s also the incident with the pregnant lady incident) but people seam to forgive him,while players like Coria or Hewitt get bashed for every single gesture.

NicoFan
10-11-2005, 06:48 PM
Coria-although he`s not as bad as people say(compare him to Nastase :worship: :worship: :worship: ).Safin isn`t an angel either(he breaks everything,he fights with umpires and there`s also the incident with the pregnant lady incident) but people seam to forgive him,while players like Coria or Hewitt get bashed for every single gesture.

Nastase was so funny too. Yeah, he was crazy on court, but it was totally entertaining.

tennischick
10-11-2005, 06:51 PM
i didn't used to like Hewitt but now i find myself rooting for him in matches. except if he's playing Federer of course, and even then i don't want him to be embarassed. i've developed quite a soft spot for the guy after ragging on him hard for years. it must be the eye-candy factor. that and the fact that he came out of the break-up with Clijsters looking like a gentleman while she has been impressing me less and less. there's a serious bitch under that sweet surface IMO.

DhammaTiger
10-11-2005, 07:15 PM
I was at the Nico/Guillermo match. Were any of you at the match that are posting about Nico's injury?????

I was not only at that match, but I saw Nico about 18 days during August.

Before the match he was stretching much more than he usually does. And stretching continously throughout the match.

He has been have problems with his upper thigh. When it happened again in DC against Pakistan, he said it has been bothering him for about 3 months.

About Dusseldorf - Nico had a hernia operation late last year, a stress fracture in his foot at the Oz Open, and injured his ankle badly before Miami. So his first match this year was Houston.

Do you think that maybe it would take time for his body to come back from all that? Hmmm...yeah maybe. Do you think that maybe just maybe that trying to physically come back would lead to other physical problems??? Hmm....yeah maybe.

Unless you know the full story, save us all the bother of having to read your opinions on a situation that you obviously know nothing about.

You tell 'em NicoFan. Some people just post rubbish. What do they think players are not human just automaton who don't get injured. Do You doubters actually think that it easy to play day in and day out without getting injured? I suggest you try it for awhile, then you can qualify to judge whether a player is faking or not. Also you must check the players history before you make such allegations. I have watched Nicolas Massu play fantasticallycompetitive matches and cannot believe that he will pretend to have an injury. As for Coria all I can say is i hope he grows up because some of his antics really put me off, and seem to also affect his own play.

Baseline
10-11-2005, 07:32 PM
I'm just tired of the hate threads on the board... we should keep the hate messages to a minimum for something really bad.

I so agree with that. No need to apologize, the Nico bashers should be doing that instead. I really like Nico too - he's a powerful and exciting player, and that match was amazing. Nico played fabulous tennis, especially toward the beginning. The Chilean fans were incredible - and impossible to drown out! Kind of like a Davis Cup atmosphere. And you're right it wasn't so much about who won and lost. Even though my favorite won, it took me hours to recuperate from - partly the dehydration and sunburn, but mostly the intensity.

Maybe that's something the controversial players have in common - the suspense of impending conflict and of outcome. It isn't as exciting when you know in advance who is going to win.

DhammaTiger
10-11-2005, 07:37 PM
I must add something. I really like Coria. I like the way heplays, the magic he does on court. I do however think that some of his antics or intensity, questioning calls etc does affect his own play. But I tend to try and understand him because he is so young. All of us tend to want players to be robots or whatever rather than human. Like us, like all humans everyone of them has many sides which some like and someone doesn't like. Going back to the thread, I didn't like Roddick, because I don't like his style of play, but i changed my mind when he was sporting in Rome in the Verdasco match. Also some statements he made this year, i don't remember exactly what he said, but I thought he was fair.

Baseline
10-11-2005, 07:39 PM
As for Coria all I can say is i hope he grows up

He has matured a lot in the past year or so, through marriage, surgery, a new team, and hardships. He challenges calls far less, almost never calls for a trainer, and compliments his opponents all the time. It's an uphill battle overcoming a negative reputation and he's not mastered this maturity thing fully (several glaring examples of that), but he's really improved and making great progress, IMO anyway.

NicoFan
10-11-2005, 07:40 PM
Dtiger - thanks! I tried to good rep, but its says I can't - I good rep'd too recently. And I owe you a pm - will do that tonight!

ATennisFan - it took me hours to recuperate too!! lol! I was on the edge of my seat - thought Nico had it there for awhile, but then saw in the 4th, that physically he didn't have anything left. Not much playing time this year, and it was too much.

Aren't the Chilean fans great? And I can say that because even though I have a Chilean flag, I'm form NY - I'm just an "honorary" Chilean cuz I like Nico....lol!

Must be something in the air in NY...lol!...everytime Nico is here, controversy strikes! Last year, the 5 hour marathon match with Sargsian, and this year with Coria. :-) Loco...but fun!

prima donna
10-11-2005, 07:43 PM
Coria. I used to hate him but now I enjoy him. I like the fact that he's so small and yet so fiesty.

I guess he is overwhelmingly the popular vote of this thread.

Vamos, Guillermo! :)

Angle Queen
10-11-2005, 07:44 PM
Hewitt.

hewitt is also growing on me slowly. i try to think that he's not as much of a dick as he seems to be sometimes, because aside from the stuff he says i actuallly quite like to watch him play.He didn't have to grow on me, I liked him from the get-go...even with all his c'mons and blah-blah-blah. Absolutely love his all-out-go-for-broke style of play.

Lleyton Hewitt - He's a little bastard, even swore at me once during a match in which I was rooting for the other guy. It was great! I just love his passion and determination.Yep.

For me it is Hewitt. His passion on court is just too much for me. I think at times he is arrogant and rude to his opponents. Then, I watch his interviews and can't resist liking him. He is very objective and gives credit where it is due.Un-huh.

And I'll add...that he is committed to DC play. Hope it stays that way after the tater tot arrives.

Clara Bow
10-11-2005, 07:45 PM
I adore Coria. I think he is a stinker because he cares so much and that endears him to me. He does have his antics, but I also think that he is perhaps the most entertaining player to watch out there between points. He is so reactive to points. And I do think that he is always targeted as being a villian, that people just gloss over when he is sporting such as the high-five to Robby. (I also think that he has really done quite well on non-clay courts and that has not been commended enough). I just really hope that one day he wins a GS because I think it would mean so much to him.

I like Hewitt too- even though he can be a jerk to linespeople on court and he plays innocent way to much when he is jerky on court. Don't like if he did act the way he did towards the Argies during the junior days as is rumored. Don't like other things he has done by any means. But yet- still like his fighting attitude on court- like that you can also tell that it means a lot to him. Also love that he takes his cap off whenever he goes to the net and was very classy during the Kim break-up. Considering his father is supposed to be a flat-out bastard I think Hewitt is actually nicer than one would expect.

I'm also a big fan of Gaston Gaudio even though I tend to get turned off by players who tank matches or get that hang-dog look about themselves when things aren't going well. I should be disgusted by the fact that he told his coach that he didn't want to be out there during the RG final and yet am not really. If GG was all there mentally he would have many more titles in my opinion. I do think that he is one of the rawest/most sensitve players out there. And I think that a lot of that sensitivity is because he just thinks about things to much. I've read a good number of his interviews and he really seems to be pretty darned bright with an inquisitive mind. If he wasn't a tennis player I could see him being one of those folks who was in school for a long time because they liked learning about lots of stuff but maybe didn't like to work. He also seems to have a good sense of humor. Plus- lovely backhand!

One reason why I really like Coria, Hewitt, and Gaudio is that they are all very interesting characters with very interesting personalities who tend to say and do what they want. Tennis needs characters.

mandoura
10-11-2005, 07:47 PM
:topic: Do you know Nico Mandoura? Thought this thread just got back on track??? Perhaps you'd like to start another thread for this...Just have a feeling this could go on a bit..

:confused:

gillian
10-11-2005, 07:49 PM
Coria. I used to hate him but now I enjoy him. I like the fact that he's so small and yet so fiesty.

I guess he is overwhelmingly the popular vote of this thread.

Vamos, Guillermo! :)

I know. He's like a little spark plug. Plus, he's capable of coming up with some amazing shots!

mandoura
10-11-2005, 07:52 PM
I think everyone here knows how I feel about Mr. M. Safin. Missing him terribly right now.

Yes gillian, me too.

PaulieM
10-11-2005, 07:52 PM
I adore Coria. I think he is a stinker because he cares so much and that endears him to me. He does have his antics, but I also think that he is perhaps the most entertaining player to watch out there between points. He is so reactive to points. And I do think that he is always targeted as being a villian, that people just gloss over when he is sporting such as the high-five to Robby. (I also think that he has really done quite well on non-clay courts and that has not been commended enough). I just really hope that one day he wins a GS because I think it would mean so much to him.
the high-five with robby was really sweet. one of my favorite clips from the uso. i also really hope he wins a slam one day, he really wants it so bad.

I like Hewitt too- even though he can be a jerk to linespeople on court and he plays innocent way to much when he is jerky on court.

that's what bothers me about hewitt too, it's better just to own the fact that you were a bum and and try not to do it, which he can't really do in his position i guess. other than that i like him. :)

mandoura
10-11-2005, 07:54 PM
He has matured a lot in the past year or so, through marriage, surgery, a new team, and hardships. He challenges calls far less, almost never calls for a trainer, and compliments his opponents all the time. It's an uphill battle overcoming a negative reputation and he's not mastered this maturity thing fully (several glaring examples of that), but he's really improved and making great progress, IMO anyway.

In mine too. :)

KoOlMaNsEaN
10-11-2005, 07:58 PM
Andy Murray

Sparko1030
10-11-2005, 08:02 PM
:confused:

:unsure: Sorry, I thought I was pretty straight forward in my post.

Julio1974
10-11-2005, 08:03 PM
And do we want any of them to be saints? lol!!! No, no, no...saints are boring... (*wink*) (can't get my smilies to work..). Bad boys are more fun...lol! Which is why some of us like the Guille's, Marat's, Nico's, etc. etc.

I couldn't agree more with this statement !!!

mandoura
10-11-2005, 08:04 PM
Nico seems very nice in person. I've been watching him since 2002 - so see him every year at the US Open. This year, I saw him 18 days - in DC, Cincy, Pilot Pen, and USO. And he was nice to the fans, give lots of autographs, had his picture taken with fans almost every practice. Chilean fans ask him for a lot of things...like racquets, shirts, etc., but there's so many of them, he can't give them to all of them, so he always patiently explains why he can't. (Ditto with Fernando who has to do the same). He's very popular with the Chilean fans when I've seen him in person. Yes, he doesn't always sign, but it was always when he lost. And very few players sign autographs when they lose.

Like one of the Chilean fans said - yes, he can be tempermental on court, but he's funny about it. Something that you realize when you see him in person, but that is lost on TV.

I don't believe in bothering players so I've never tried to talk to him. Especially never off court - I don't believe that fans should try to talk to them outside the tournament grounds for any reason whatsoever. They get what they get when they do that. lol!!!

But since I can't "know" him being a fan, I do know someone involved in tennis that does see him frequently and asked him to tell me the truth about Nico! lol! I wanted to make sure that he was as nice as he seemed - and he said that Nico was very nice, very well liked by all the players. And met a coach this summer - said that both Nico and Fernando were great guys, very nice.

That's why I don't go by fans reports - they see a player once not sign autographs and they freak out. You can't tell anything about a person by 5 minutes or 5 days. You have to be in their inner circle, knowing them for months and months, seeing them daily.

We wouldn't want to be judged by someone that's only known us briefly...and its not fair to judge them either that way.

Plus we have to really know the person who is judging the player. Are they nice? Can their opinion be trusted?

BTW - seeing many fans behavior over my 18 days this summer - Nico spent a lot of time doing autographs, but a lot of players hide from the fans. I actually don't blame them. A lot of fans don't behave very well. I heard some of the nicest players dissed by fans. It was unreal. And a lot of these "fans" were older - in their 30s and 40s - should know better than that.

Thanks. :)

From your previous posts, I thought you knew him personally. My misunderstanding. ;)

My interest in Massu started from the Masters in Madrid 2 (or maybe 3 :scratch: ) years ago. I liked him a lot, was thrilled he won the gold medals in the Olympics. Lately, however, I will not say I dislike him because I like all the players now including Hewitt, but I'll just say I don't like him as much. So it is good to have the opinion of a fan.

We wouldn't want to be judged by someone that's only known us briefly...and its not fair to judge them either that way.

Plus we have to really know the person who is judging the player. Are they nice? Can their opinion be trusted?

Absolutely. But that works both ways, good and bad. :)

Thanks again sweetie. :)

Socket
10-11-2005, 08:17 PM
i didn't used to like Hewitt but now i find myself rooting for him in matches. except if he's playing Federer of course, and even then i don't want him to be embarassed. i've developed quite a soft spot for the guy after ragging on him hard for years. it must be the eye-candy factor. that and the fact that he came out of the break-up with Clijsters looking like a gentleman while she has been impressing me less and less. there's a serious bitch under that sweet surface IMO.
I'll risk starting a WTAW-type war, and getting loads of people angry at me, by saying I agree with you about Kim. I don't think she's any worse than most of the other women players, but her sainthood is vastly over-rated. (Luckily for her, her father does most of the dirty work for her.)

Having said that, I find her much more interesting when she and JHH are feuding and trading all those barbed comments back and forth via husbands, fathers, agents, and their respective websites. I prefer spice to sugar any day.

shotgun
10-11-2005, 08:17 PM
If he wasn't a tennis player I could see him being one of those folks who was in school for a long time because they liked learning about lots of stuff but maybe didn't like to work.

Interesting you said that. The other day I was thinking about how Coria would be if he was at the university. Probably he would be the kind of guy who gets the highest grades from the class, but also, during the tests, cheats a lot, and goes up to the front to talk to the teacher once in every five minutes to ask about a certain question of the test, to see if the teacher lets the answer slip. Just a thought.

We could create a whole thread about this. How would players act if they were at the university. :lol:

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-11-2005, 09:06 PM
Coria
He acts like a jackass but is an amazing player.

Julio1974
10-11-2005, 09:15 PM
and goes up to the front to talk to the teacher once in every five minutes to ask about a certain question of the test, to see if the teacher lets the answer slip.
:haha:

mandoura
10-11-2005, 09:21 PM
:confused:
:unsure: Sorry, I thought I was pretty straight forward in my post.

I wasn't really going to comment but thought I'll explain the confused smiley. :)


Nicofan, Massu must be very lucky to have you as his fan. You seem to know him well. Tell me sweetie, is he nice in person? Did you talk to him personally? How would you describe your encounters with him? :)

:topic: Do you know Nico Mandoura? Thought this thread just got back on track??? Perhaps you'd like to start another thread for this...Just have a feeling this could go on a bit..

- I did not understand the smiley: Is it for my post to Nicofan or is it for your reply to my post.
- I did not understand the question about knowing Nico and it's relevancy to my post to Nicofan.
- I did not understand how my post to Nicofan was taking the thread off track because I am still undecided about Massu (whether I should dislike him but still like him as the title of this thread suggests) and thought having a fan's opinion which I assumed knew him personally might, just might, help me decide.
- I did not understand how my post to Nicofan gave the impression I wanted to start another thread.
- I did not understand what "could go on a bit".

See the mess I was in. So instead of explaining all this, I just used the confused smiley. Sorry my bad. :D

adee-gee
10-11-2005, 09:22 PM
Hang on, is this thread serious or not?

Surely the comments about Massu aren't serious. An asshole if ever I've seen one, I can't believe people are defending him :rolleyes:

mandoura
10-11-2005, 09:26 PM
One reason why I really like Coria, Hewitt, and Gaudio is that they are all very interesting characters with very interesting personalities who tend to say and do what they want. Tennis needs characters.

As usual CB, :hatoff: .

mandoura
10-11-2005, 09:29 PM
Andy Murray

:lol: Of course, how can I forget him. I definitely like him. My son doesn't understand how I can like and dislike someone at the same time. :D

NicoFan
10-11-2005, 09:31 PM
Thanks. :)

From your previous posts, I thought you knew him personally. My misunderstanding. ;)

My interest in Massu started from the Masters in Madrid 2 (or maybe 3 :scratch: ) years ago. I liked him a lot, was thrilled he won the gold medals in the Olympics. Lately, however, I will not say I dislike him because I like all the players now including Hewitt, but I'll just say I don't like him as much. So it is good to have the opinion of a fan.

We wouldn't want to be judged by someone that's only known us briefly...and its not fair to judge them either that way.

Plus we have to really know the person who is judging the player. Are they nice? Can their opinion be trusted?

Absolutely. But that works both ways, good and bad. :)

Thanks again sweetie. :)

You're absolutely right - it does work both ways.

Never trust a fan's opinion! lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cuz I like him so I'm biased.

And people that don't are also biased.

From what I've meet of fan's that get sooooo crazed about hating a player...the players are lucky that the fan didn't like them!!!!!!!!!!!! They wouldn't want fans like that...lol!!!!!!!!! ;)

That's why on any player - not just Nico - I go by the people that know them the best, people that are with them day in and day out, the other players, people that work in tennis. And with them, Nico gets good marks - always is thought of as nice.

And to be honest...shouldn't MTF be about their tennis???? Not about whether they smile at the right time, or sign autographs for an hour at a time, or whether they are emotional on the court or not?

But that's just my humble opinion...

shotgun
10-11-2005, 09:36 PM
And to be honest...shouldn't MTF be about their tennis???? Not about whether they smile at the right time, or sign autographs for an hour at a time, or whether they are emotional on the court or not?

I think that MTF is a place where we can discuss everything related (directly or not) to tennis, including tennis itself. Come on, it would be such a bore if we discussed only back-hands, fore-hands,winners, swing volleys, stamina, etc... :yawn:

mandoura
10-11-2005, 09:41 PM
You're absolutely right - it does work both ways.

Never trust a fan's opinion! lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cuz I like him so I'm biased.

And people that don't are also biased.

That's why I almost never comment on Roger. :)

And to be honest...shouldn't MTF be about their tennis????

Well NF, in theory yes but in practise, it is very difficult. Besides, MTF has a lot of sections that should accomodate all tastes. :D

But that's just my humble opinion...

;)

Edit to add:

Thank you sweetie for taking the time. I know how you hate posting in GM. :)

NicoFan
10-11-2005, 09:49 PM
I think that MTF is a place where we can discuss everything related (directly or not) to tennis, including tennis itself. Come on, it would be such a bore if we discussed only back-hands, fore-hands,winners, swing volleys, stamina, etc... :yawn:

So true so true Shotgun!!

I just wish the hate part of the threads on non-tennis things would disappear.

Why can't we all just get along! lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

NicoFan
10-11-2005, 09:51 PM
I know how you hate posting in GM. :)

I do hate posting on GM. lol!

But when Nico is dissed, I'll be here...will always defend Nico. Always... :devil:

mandoura
10-11-2005, 09:51 PM
I do hate posting on GM. lol!

But when Nico is dissed, I'll be here...will always defend Nico. Always... :devil:

;) :lol:

shotgun
10-11-2005, 09:55 PM
So true so true Shotgun!!

I just wish the hate part of the threads on non-tennis things would disappear.

Why can't we all just get along! lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

:hug:

+alonso
10-11-2005, 09:55 PM
GM is full of haters.. :rolleyes:
for adeeegeeeeeee
the only thing i have to say.. if i like Nico it's my own problem.. ppl shouldn't tell you what you have to do!! leave me alone!

NicoFan
10-11-2005, 10:02 PM
GM is full of haters.. :rolleyes:
for adeeegeeeeeee
the only thing i have to say.. if i like Nico it's my own problem.. ppl shouldn't tell you what you have to do!! leave me alone!


Alonso - :hug:

Eclectic Goddess
10-11-2005, 11:28 PM
Why can't we all just get along! lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
Because then the world would be boring and uninspiring. Every thread would start with an opinion, and there would be 500+ replies all saying, "Yes, I agree." Who wants that?

On the other hand, I too get tired of people taking things very personally and getting offended (and offensive) in response. If only we could agree to disagree.

tennischick
10-11-2005, 11:31 PM
I'll risk starting a WTAW-type war, and getting loads of people angry at me, by saying I agree with you about Kim. I don't think she's any worse than most of the other women players, but her sainthood is vastly over-rated. (Luckily for her, her father does most of the dirty work for her.)

Having said that, I find her much more interesting when she and JHH are feuding and trading all those barbed comments back and forth via husbands, fathers, agents, and their respective websites. I prefer spice to sugar any day.
agree on both counts. in fact i like Kim very much, but that's bec i never actually bought the sweet act. and Daddy is clearly prepared to play the heavy so that her image remains sparklingly clean.

mandoura
10-11-2005, 11:38 PM
Because then the world would be boring and uninspiring. Every thread would start with an opinion, and there would be 500+ replies all saying, "Yes, I agree." Who wants that?

On the other hand, I too get tired of people taking things very personally and getting offended (and offensive) in response. If only we could agree to disagree.

:yeah: Specially the last sentence.

Sparko1030
10-12-2005, 12:20 AM
I wasn't really going to comment but thought I'll explain the confused smiley. :)



- I did not understand the smiley: Is it for my post to Nicofan or is it for your reply to my post.
- I did not understand the question about knowing Nico and it's relevancy to my post to Nicofan.
- I did not understand how my post to Nicofan was taking the thread off track because I am still undecided about Massu (whether I should dislike him but still like him as the title of this thread suggests) and thought having a fan's opinion which I assumed knew him personally might, just might, help me decide.
- I did not understand how my post to Nicofan gave the impression I wanted to start another thread.
- I did not understand what "could go on a bit".

See the mess I was in. So instead of explaining all this, I just used the confused smiley. Sorry my bad. :D

Looks like I need to apologize again Mandoura. I am sorry I misjudged where you were coming from. There has been a marked increase in Nico bashing lately and I'm a little trigger (or keyboard happy in this case) on the subject.
Please accept my sincere apology.

Baseline
10-12-2005, 12:40 AM
I have a Chilean flag, I'm form NY - I'm just an "honorary" Chilean cuz I like Nico....lol!

A New Yorker, that's great - maybe I should have an Arg flag? I like Coria best, but also all the Arg players who are generally especially expressive and passionate players.

I wish the US tennis media would be more accomodating to American tennis fans who do not only want to cheer for and watch US tennis players. I guess it was far fetched to think USA network would actually have chosen that match for Massu rather than Gambill - it's just that I think Dent was also playing at that time and I would have thought he'd be more popular than Gambill?

NicoFan
10-12-2005, 01:12 AM
A New Yorker, that's great - maybe I should have an Arg flag? I like Coria best, but also all the Arg players who are generally especially expressive and passionate players.

I wish the US tennis media would be more accomodating to American tennis fans who do not only want to cheer for and watch US tennis players. I guess it was far fetched to think USA network would actually have chosen that match for Massu rather than Gambill - it's just that I think Dent was also playing at that time and I would have thought he'd be more popular than Gambill?

lol! Definitely put up an Argentina flag! I really like most of the Argentine players - David, Gaston, Mariano. Guille - I like, but sometimes he makes me shake my head...lol! But he's had it rough and he's young, and I think he'll get more mature with time. Plus he's a River Plate fan - I love River Plate! - so he can't be all bad! lol!

About TV - I've given up on them showing my Chileans, Argentines or Spaniards. :sad:

I forgot about Dent playing. Yeah, that would be a more logical choice. Jim didn't have many nice things to say about Nico in the Olympics until the end...lol!...so not sure its love for Nico. Gambill was kind of high profile for awhile - who knows? I scratched my head in wonder on a number of matches they decided to show vs. not show.

oneandonlyhsn
10-12-2005, 01:51 AM
Guille I absolutely love him, he is so fiesty and his antics just make me laugh.

Hewitt, I dont remember when exactly I fell in love with the nutter, but I love his tenactity and fighting spirit. I hate how the media just try and make him into this monster, it makes me love him even more

Roddick :eek: I cant believe it but I am having a soft spot for the big server. I used to like him less when he was all boom bomm, but now that he is trying so hard to change his style and he isnt doing so well I cant help but wish him well when he is on court.

mandoura
10-12-2005, 01:58 AM
Looks like I need to apologize again Mandoura. I am sorry I misjudged where you were coming from. There has been a marked increase in Nico bashing lately and I'm a little trigger (or keyboard happy in this case) on the subject.
Please accept my sincere apology.

:hug:

Do I need to explain or is the smiley enough? ;) Just kidding. :lol:

Sparko1030
10-12-2005, 02:02 AM
:hug:

Do I need to explain or is the smiley enough? ;) Just kidding. :lol:

:hug: Back attcha! :hatoff:

MisterQ
10-12-2005, 02:18 AM
To a certain extent I could say this about all my favorites (including Agassi, who has done quite few things that I don't admire).

But the one that really fits this description is John McEnroe. His behavior on court was just inexcusable at times. But his game is so briliant, :worship: I like his sense of humor, and beneath his obnoxiousness there is an odd vulnerability. :cool:

shotgun
10-12-2005, 02:22 AM
Plus he's a River Plate fan - I love River Plate! - so he can't be all bad! lol!

The other day I was reading through a forum on an argentine sports site, and there was this question, "What should Argentina do to win the Davis Cup?". I laughed a lot when somebody (probably a Boca Jrs. fan) wrote that the main problem was Guillermo Coria, because he was a River Plate fan, and since River is not used to win international titles (they have only won the Copa Libertadores twice and the Toyota Cup once), Coria isn't useful on an international competition as Davis Cup as well. :lol:

El Legenda
10-12-2005, 02:23 AM
because of the troll nazi's in this forum, no one is suppose to be a fan of Ljubicic, but i love to give them shit when he wins like the DC in 2 months. to american troll nazi's- just say= CARSON :lol:

AntonyDupuis2005
10-12-2005, 02:26 AM
For me it would be Massu, he's never been very nice to me when I got his autograph and always looked kind of grumpy but he's still one of my favorite players.

tangerine_dream
10-12-2005, 02:30 AM
Brad Gilbert. Ugly game (when he was playing), annoying motor mouth, obnoxious demeanor--but behind the arrogant man who wears a cheesy Metallica hat and poses for the cover of his books in dark sunglasses trying a tad too hard to be cool (only to end up embarassing himself), lies an insecure person who just desperately wants to be loved and accepted. :lol:

Fergie
10-12-2005, 02:32 AM
Lleyton Hewitt and Nicolas Kiefer

liptea
10-12-2005, 02:33 AM
Lleyton Hewitt - He's a little bastard, even swore at me once during a match ....It was great!


:haha: :haha:

I like Roger. And I shouldn't, because EVERYONE likes him and it's not like Roger needs me to root for him, but Roger's sexy. And really cool.

jeanie_sin
10-12-2005, 02:40 AM
hewitt acting classy after the breakup? :rolleyes: i guessed everyone missed those days of december and during AO this year :o

Sparko1030
10-12-2005, 02:46 AM
because of the troll nazi's in this forum, no one is suppose to be a fan of Ljubicic, but i love to give them shit when he wins like the DC in 2 months. to american troll nazi's- just say= CARSON :lol:


Oh,no I like Ljubicic! I root mainly for the Chilean DC team so it didn't bother me in the least that he pretty much single handedly beat the US team. I thought that was a great underdog type win and I hope Croatia wins the title.

El Legenda
10-12-2005, 02:47 AM
Lleyton Hewitt - He's a little bastard, even swore at me once during a match in which I was rooting for the other guy. It was great! .

Did he tell you "go fuck yourself" like he told me at 2001 Cincy TMS

El Legenda
10-12-2005, 02:48 AM
Oh,no I like Ljubicic! I root mainly for the Chilean DC team so it didn't bother me in the least that he pretty much single handedly beat the US team. I thought that was a great underdog type win and I hope Croatia wins the title.

Not all Americans are Croatian Troll Nazi's,the AACTN :lol: :hug:

LaTenista
10-12-2005, 02:56 AM
Roddick - I cringe every time I hear him say something stupid but cannot forget he got me into tennis and always wish him well against Roger.

Spadea - Gotta love a comeback and even though he can grate nerves he always does something that amazes me.

Soderling - Commonly referred to around here as The Toad, I like his game and don't believe he's really that bad deep down, perhaps he just needs a princess to kiss him :lol:

Malisse - Okay so his anger management needs some help but he's one of the most talented guys on tour.

Puerta - kindred spirit, we're both about the same age and lefties. Not willing to pass judgement on doping allegations.

Cañas - A terrific fighter, my first live match ever he lost in 3 sets to Sampras. :awww: Despite the personal hell he's going through he tried to support his girlfriend Maria Emilia Salerni at the USO but was prohibited.

Deboogle!.
10-12-2005, 04:05 AM
Mardy Fish.... horrible work ethic, unfit, always injured, mental midget/choker, gets a bad attitude on court sometimes when the going gets rough.....

but I love his game, I can't help it, And he's fiery and hilariously funny and he was nice to me in LA :)

But even this is sort of a stretch for me. If I really thought there was a player I shouldn't like, well, then I wouldn't like him :p

Eclectic Goddess
10-12-2005, 04:16 AM
Did he tell you "go fuck yourself" like he told me at 2001 Cincy TMS
Nope. He said "Shut the fuck up, you stupid bitch!" Strangely enough, it WAS at TMS Cincy 2001, though. How weird! I guess that was his year for telling people off in Cincinnati.

(It's worth noting that, since then, he's been nice to me on more than one occasion, and I'm sure he never even realized I was the same person. That's why I like him. In the heat of the moment, you never know what's going to come flying out of his foul mouth!)

NicoFan
10-12-2005, 11:53 AM
The other day I was reading through a forum on an argentine sports site, and there was this question, "What should Argentina do to win the Davis Cup?". I laughed a lot when somebody (probably a Boca Jrs. fan) wrote that the main problem was Guillermo Coria, because he was a River Plate fan, and since River is not used to win international titles (they have only won the Copa Libertadores twice and the Toyota Cup once), Coria isn't useful on an international competition as Davis Cup as well. :lol:

LOL! Those Boca fans...such senses of humor... :D

Everytime I meet someone from Argentina they are a Boca fan... :eek: ...but I've seen River's stadium on TV, and its always packed with people. There has to be some River fans out there somewhere. ;)

Angle Queen
10-12-2005, 12:18 PM
To a certain extent I could say this about all my favorites (including Agassi, who has done quite few things that I don't admire).

But the one that really fits this description is John McEnroe. His behavior on court was just inexcusable at times. But his game is so briliant, :worship: I like his sense of humor, and beneath his obnoxiousness there is an odd vulnerability. :cool:emphasis mine

Yep...he's still got a great game. Uses the whole court and his entire body, including his brain. Too bad he sometimes just doesn't think before he says something. That said, I continue to find him one of the best commentators around these days...

So the McAttack is on my list too...just check my signature.

Turkeyballs Paco
10-12-2005, 02:03 PM
We’ve all got our favorites, and some of them may be unpopular – either with fans or other players.

Mine: Guillermo Coria. Choker? Cheater? Doper? All-around surly troublemaker? Yes and maybe to most of those, but I still like him. I’d been a fan of his for a while, but his Davis Cup antics vs. Australia and his dust-up at the USO with Nicolas Massu sealed it. When he mocked Massu’s injury, I thought “what a little jerk,” and was smitten for good. How wrong is that-LOL.

Who’s yours?

:lol: yeah, I was really impressed with Coria after the DC w/Australia, too. Obviously, Hewitt for similar reasons. It all goes back to the day Charles Barkley flipped the bird at somebody in my section at a basketball game a million years ago and he immediately became my favorite player. :shrug:

Socket
10-12-2005, 03:22 PM
Nope. He said "Shut the fuck up, you stupid bitch!" Strangely enough, it WAS at TMS Cincy 2001, though. How weird! I guess that was his year for telling people off in Cincinnati.

(It's worth noting that, since then, he's been nice to me on more than one occasion, and I'm sure he never even realized I was the same person. That's why I like him. In the heat of the moment, you never know what's going to come flying out of his foul mouth!)
One can only hope he's like that in bed. :devil: :devil:

(channeling alfonsojose for a moment)

I♥PsY@Mus!c
10-12-2005, 04:27 PM
Nice thread! :yeah:

Paul-Henri - Tell me,why do I like him that much even though he chokes and is whitewashed always?How can he always lose to his countryman too? :shout: But I quite feel for his situation,I still can't forget he looks so devastated after the defeat in DC final. :tears: That destroyed his confidence so long.In his Journal/interview his always says he is unlucky or he doesn't succee liberating mentally.He had injuries for a long time in 03 and had to operate a surgey on his left wrist in 04. :sad: Oh he doesn't deserve this penalty for his choke in DC. :crying2: Glad he comes back from injuries,he hasn't achieved a title for 3 years but at least he beat Moya in Spain and won the DC 5th rubber in March 05 :banana: and surprised people in Montreal. :bigclap: I've only watched his 2 matches.One is the dead rubber DC match against Robredo.The other is he vs Oli in Montreal - Great serve! ;) I still hate myself to fall asleep during his match against the duck! :banghead::banghead::banghead: God it's not enough,I hope Stars Sports will broadcast his matches in Madrid and Paris soon!Allez! :hearts::rocker2::clap2:

Juan Carlos - Recently he has no form at all, :help: his game is so boring for me,he still doesn't dismiss his old coach,doesn't change his skill, :yawn: loves his girlfriend too much but I still like him. :angel:

Ivan - His mouth complains too much,never wins more 3 matches in GS, :armed: he is lazy with his footwork often but nobody is perfect! :p His character is like me some so I can't hate my mirror lol! :kiss:

Turkeyballs Paco
10-12-2005, 08:30 PM
One can only hope he's like that in bed. :devil: :devil:

(channeling alfonsojose for a moment)

remember, he's a married man, now! ;) :wavey:

liptea
10-12-2005, 09:08 PM
Mardy Fish.... horrible work ethic, unfit, always injured, mental midget/choker, gets a bad attitude on court sometimes when the going gets rough.....

but I love his game, I can't help it, And he's fiery and hilariously funny and he was nice to me in LA :)



Plus, He's HOOTTT. :hearts: I love Mardy.

Federerhingis
10-13-2005, 12:04 AM
David Nalbandian and only because hes been and probably still is a big threat for Federer, despite his comfortable win over him at the past US open a month ago. I just love two handed backhands and David has probably if not the best one of the best, I would only put his behind Safins.

I cant help my self from admiring Nadals speed and defense, its just mind boggling how much he can run and run and still get to shots that many dont even try going for.