Massu got the WC for Madrid AMS

fenomeno2111
10-08-2005, 05:05 PM
The most important sport newspapers in Spain (Diario Marca) is making a survey to see who is the favourite player to get to the tourney as a WC you can go online and vote for your favourite and of course the one who gets more vote will be one of the WC...It's in spanish but i guess is not so hard there is a big picture and you just choose and hit Votar! here's the link:

http://www.marca.com/tenis/masters_series_madrid_05/encuesta.html

Vote NOW!!!!

vincayou
10-08-2005, 05:13 PM
I think that it's a very good idea to make vote people.

Chloe le Bopper
10-08-2005, 05:14 PM
Except that people can vote repeatedly :p

I voted for Monfils, but only twice :devil:

fenomeno2111
10-08-2005, 05:15 PM
yeah!
PS: VOTE FOR GAEL!!!
LoL

Nathaliia
10-08-2005, 05:15 PM
i voted for Gael :worship:

btw tomorrow in Poland we vote for a president ;) so it was a good warm-up

Chloe le Bopper
10-08-2005, 05:16 PM
Mind you, Monfils is probably going to get a WC into Paris anyways. I didn't think about that when I voted :p

fenomeno2111
10-08-2005, 05:19 PM
Mind you, Monfils is probably going to get a WC into Paris anyways. I didn't think about that when I voted :p
It's granted that he'll get one in Paris but you know, he's playing good now and if he goes into the last two AMS of the year that can make a big difference on his ranking...

Chloe le Bopper
10-08-2005, 05:20 PM
I'm guessing that Blake will win the popularity contest, but I may be mistaken.

Nathaliia
10-08-2005, 05:21 PM
WC for Paris, WC for Madrid... good WC is not bad :p
allez Gael go and take it!

+alonso
10-08-2005, 08:06 PM
:yeah: Massu :lol: :yeah:

cobalt60
10-08-2005, 08:16 PM
:yeah: Massu :lol: :yeah:
:lol: Are you stuffing the ballot box Alonso? ;) Hopefully whomever gets it will deserve it.

fenomeno2111
10-08-2005, 08:21 PM
I'm guessing that Blake will win the popularity contest, but I may be mistaken.
But remember this is a very popular spanish newspaper so i don't think so, spaniards don't like americans that much...I'm guessing is going to be Alberto Martin just because he is spaniard..sounds logical, no?
Thousands of people go to this website everyday it is VERY popular...

cobalt60
10-08-2005, 08:25 PM
Actually one can make a case for any of them to get the WC- they all deserve it in one way or another. It's been made a popularity case however. Something the Madrid organizers seem to like doing :rolleyes:

+alonso
10-08-2005, 08:29 PM
I can tell you !! Nicolas will get a lot of votes for sure. :lol: I've been voting a lot! 200.... today?? i think :p and yesterday.. i voted like 200 times too

cobalt60
10-08-2005, 08:33 PM
I can tell you !! Nicolas will get a lot of votes for sure. :lol: I've been voting a lot! 200.... today?? i think :p and yesterday.. i voted like 200 times too
:lol: Geez wish I could do that in a real election ;)

Deboogle!.
10-08-2005, 08:39 PM
Mind you, Monfils is probably going to get a WC into Paris anyways. I didn't think about that when I voted :pWell on that theory, don't vote for James either b/c he got into Paris directly :p

Saumon
10-08-2005, 08:56 PM
But remember this is a very popular spanish newspaper so i don't think so, spaniards don't like americans that much...I'm guessing is going to be Fernando Martin just because he is spaniard..sounds logical, no?
Thousands of people go to this website everyday it is VERY popular...
:secret: his 1st name is alberto ;)

NicoFan
10-08-2005, 08:59 PM
I can tell you !! Nicolas will get a lot of votes for sure. :lol: I've been voting a lot! 200.... today?? i think :p and yesterday.. i voted like 200 times too

The same here Alonso - I voted about 200 times today - and yesterday about 200. ;)

But there's still time left in the day! :crazy: I think I'll get in another 200!

I have no idea who will win - sometimes I think Martin because he's a spaniard but then again while Marca is a popular newspaper in Spain (bought it everyday myself when I was there), its all futbol futbol futbol and 1/2 page of tennis. And from what I got when I was there, I think people there only care about Rafa, Carlos, and JC. James is probably overall the most popular worldwide of the 4, but Americans are not well liked in Spain. Nico will get all the Chileans (and me! lol!) voting hours every day until its done. And Monfils has a lot of fans too.

Of the 4, the only one I will be disappointed in getting it is Martin. There already are 2 spaniards that have WCs, and Martin does not deserve any WC anywhere.

Still think its a stupid way to decide who should get a wildcard but the Madrid tournament is a joke anyway with the models so why not? :rolleyes:

Nathaliia
10-08-2005, 09:10 PM
exactly NicoFan. and their attempts to cancel doubles event... i'm ROTFL'ing. and they want to be a serious tournament. oh come on!
WC for Monfils. i voted a couple of times :tape:

NYCtennisfan
10-08-2005, 09:18 PM
WC for Gael.

Daniel
10-08-2005, 09:23 PM
Masssu

mishar
10-08-2005, 09:33 PM
Won't Gael get in anyway when Safin, Hewitt and Agassi withdraw?

NicoFan
10-08-2005, 09:45 PM
By the way they have an IP tracker so the vote only counts once from your computer. So even if it says thank you for voting it will only count the one vote regardless of how many times you did it. Nice try guys, lol.

And how do you know that? Do you work at marca? Or is this an attempt to get the Chilean fans to stop voting so James will win... ;)

Deboogle!.
10-08-2005, 09:45 PM
Won't Gael get in anyway when Safin, Hewitt and Agassi withdraw?Well, Agassi is supposed to play. But chances are good there will indeed be a third withdrawal in the next few days that would get Monfils in directly.

NicoFan
10-08-2005, 09:48 PM
Well, Agassi is supposed to play. But chances are good there will indeed be a third withdrawal in the next few days that would get Monfils in directly.

I didn't think about that...that 3rd withdrawals is a definite possibility. We'll have to see what happens there.

Galaxystorm
10-08-2005, 09:49 PM
Won't Gael get in anyway when Safin, Hewitt and Agassi withdraw?

Gael only needs 3 withdrawals or 2 plus the special exempt vacant , therefore Gael has a lot of chances to be a direct acceptance , then the WC would be for one of the others 3 players

Chris Seahorse
10-08-2005, 09:54 PM
It is in a Spanish magazine and the vast majority of people who vote will be Spanish. As only one of the four candidates is Spanish I would say it is a bit of a no-brainer who is going to win. If they wanted to have a competitive vote they could simply have made it a battle between four Spaniards. Most countries give their wild cards to home players anyway and Spain certainly is not short of players they could give wild cards to. As it is the vote seems a bit rigged and I really can only see one guy winning it.

Galaxystorm
10-08-2005, 10:00 PM
Unless all the chileans vote, and unless spanish soccer brains vote , the WC will be for Blake .( i'm not counting Gael because surely he will enter thanks for the withdrawals...)

NicoFan
10-08-2005, 10:11 PM
It is in a Spanish magazine and the vast majority of people who vote will be Spanish. As only one of the four candidates is Spanish I would say it is a bit of a no-brainer who is going to win. If they wanted to have a competitive vote they could simply have made it a battle between four Spaniards. Most countries give their wild cards to home players anyway and Spain certainly is not short of players they could give wild cards to. As it is the vote seems a bit rigged and I really can only see one guy winning it.


Definitely agree - it does seem rigged. Especially if it is true that its only one vote, it will be Martin for sure. Obviously far more spaniards know about Marca than the rest of the world combined probably 10 times over. Again, very popular paper. And someone like Blake as an American wouldn't stand a chance. It would probably then be Martin, Massu (spanish speaking so people may vote for him on that - and he was well supported there as a finalist in 2003), Monfils, and last, James. Or Martin, Monfils, Nico, and Blake.

Galaxystorm
10-08-2005, 10:14 PM
Definitely agree - it does seem rigged. Especially if it is true that its only one vote, it will be Martin for sure. Obviously far more spaniards know about Marca than the rest of the world combined probably 10 times over. Again, very popular paper. And someone like Blake as an American wouldn't stand a chance. It would probably then be Martin, Massu (spanish speaking so people may vote for him on that - and he was well supported there as a finalist in 2003), Monfils, and last, James. Or Martin, Monfils, Nico, and Blake.

Lagrimas de cocodrilo :o

+alonso
10-08-2005, 10:24 PM
hey!! why don't you tell her that in english!!?? i know what this mean perfectly ..

DhammaTiger
10-08-2005, 10:25 PM
I voted for Nico Massu, and I hope he will win. He is such a fine competitor. So,I hope all my chilean friends will be happy.

NicoFan
10-08-2005, 10:41 PM
Gracias dtiger!!! You're a sweetie!

Alonso - doesn't it say crocodile tears? Didn't know if s/he was making fun of me or not. lol! I don't know why s/he would. I like James - just don't think he would win a WC in a vote for a tournament in Spain, that has a Spaniard in the list, in a poll in a Spanish sports newspaper. Nico and Gael don't stand a chance either. It will be the Spaniard...lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which does deserve HUGE crocodile tears because Martin is the only one on the list that doesn't deserve it. And there are already two Spaniard getting WCs, and there s/b one for a foreign player - tennis is an international sport after all.

shotgun
10-08-2005, 10:44 PM
Gracias dtiger!!! You're a sweetie!

Alonso - doesn't it say crocodile tears? Didn't know if s/he was making fun of me or not. lol! I don't know why s/he would. I like James - just don't think he would win a WC in a vote for a tournament in Spain, that has a Spaniard in the list, in a poll in a Spanish sports newspaper. Nico and Gael don't stand a chance either. It will be the Spaniard...lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which does deserve HUGE crocodile tears because Martin is the only one on the list that doesn't deserve it. And there are already two Spaniard getting WCs, and there s/b one for a foreign player - tennis is an international sport after all.

And don´t forget that Spain hosts 3 ATP tournaments a year. This shows how unfair and unkind it would be to give the 3 wild-cards to spaniards.

mishar
10-08-2005, 11:02 PM
Why not Almagro? Isn't he more of a young "prospect" than Martin?

+alonso
10-08-2005, 11:04 PM
If I wanted Blake to win that desperately, I would have sat in front of my PC and voted a couple hundred times....
:shrug: What's the problem in that :shrug: that shows who much i want Nico to get it!

shotgun
10-08-2005, 11:11 PM
Why not Almagro? Isn't he more of a young "prospect" than Martin?

Yeah, I agree. Martin has a better ranking but he has already played a dozen AMS events. Anyway, both are good clay-courters but are likely to lose in the first round at an indoor event as Madrid.

Deboogle!.
10-08-2005, 11:32 PM
And there are already two Spaniard getting WCs, and there s/b one for a foreign player - tennis is an international sport after all.Since when is there supposed to be a foreign WC in a turney? Some of the slams have deals, but that's not out of courtesy to the global aspect of the sport, that's through agreements between the federations. It seems to me that most tourneys give WCs to the home country players, regardless of much else. There will be players like Flip who used to be top 10 who get a lot of attention who will get WCs all over the world and other more special circumstances of that type, but most tourneys give WCs to their home players. It seems to be a general across-the-board practice that almost every tourney follows, regardless of how many tourneys are in that country overall.

NicoFan
10-09-2005, 12:11 AM
Since when is there supposed to be a foreign WC in a turney? Some of the slams have deals, but that's not out of courtesy to the global aspect of the sport, that's through agreements between the federations. It seems to me that most tourneys give WCs to the home country players, regardless of much else. There will be players like Flip who used to be top 10 who get a lot of attention who will get WCs all over the world and other more special circumstances of that type, but most tourneys give WCs to their home players. It seems to be a general across-the-board practice that almost every tourney follows, regardless of how many tourneys are in that country overall.

You're right. But since there are already 8 Spaniards in a field of 48 (2 of which were given WCs), I thought it might be a nice gesture if they gave one to someone from outside of Spain. They don't have to - my humble opinion is that it would be nice. And I'm not saying this just because of Nico. I would be happy if James got it cuz he's a sweetipie. (Though definitely not as happy as if Nico got it...lol!...and James has gotten so many WCs this year, he must have set a record...give someone else a chance.)

I only like WCs if they are given to formerly high ranked players who for whatever reason - injury, etc. - have fallen in the rankings. I might even be talked into one WC being given for nationalistic purposes. ;) But that's it. Since I don't make the rules, however, that will never happen. And some may argue that its a good thing that I don't make the rules...lol!!!!!!!

Sparko1030
10-09-2005, 12:27 AM
Well, yes it is the tradition to give WC to players from the host country but then why make it a poll since there would be really little chance of others winning. Seems to be just a gimmick then. Of course, these are the people who brought us models for ball kids...

shotgun
10-09-2005, 12:34 AM
You're right. But since there are already 8 Spaniards in a field of 48 (2 of which were given WCs), I thought it might be a nice gesture if they gave one to someone from outside of Spain. They don't have to - my humble opinion is that it would be nice. And I'm not saying this just because of Nico. I would be happy if James got it cuz he's a sweetipie. (Though definitely not as happy as if Nico got it...lol!...and James has gotten so many WCs this year, he must have set a record...give someone else a chance.)

I only like WCs if they are given to formerly high ranked players who for whatever reason - injury, etc. - have fallen in the rankings. I might even be talked into one WC being given for nationalistic purposes. ;) But that's it. Since I don't make the rules, however, that will never happen. And some may argue that its a good thing that I don't make the rules...lol!!!!!!!

Agreed. The thing is that tournament directors don't have to give one WC out of three to a foreign player. But it's nice and it's kind. Its like giving a friend of yours a birthday present. You don´t have to, but it´s a good practice. And I think that the most number of tournaments a nation hosts, more responsability it has to give WC´s not only to fellow players. In Brazil we only host one tournament (Costa do Sauípe), and this year they gave WCs to Andre Sá, Julio Silva and Felix Mantilla.

PaulieM
10-09-2005, 12:37 AM
1 vote each for james and gael :)

NicoFan
10-09-2005, 01:03 AM
Agreed. The thing is that tournament directors don't have to give one WC out of three to a foreign player. But it's nice and it's kind. Its like giving a friend of yours a birthday present. You don´t have to, but it´s a good practice. And I think that the most number of tournaments a nation hosts, more responsability it has to give WC´s not only to fellow players. In Brazil we only host one tournament (Costa do Sauípe), and this year they gave WCs to Andre Sá, Julio Silva and Felix Mantilla.

I was thinking the same thing...like you said if the country only has one tournament, you would want to give WCs to fellow countrypersons.

And also how big the tournament is. If its a smaller tournament with mostly regional players, WCs aren't a big deal, give it to local players.

But a Master's Series event should have a certain prestige and more international feel. Ditto a Grand Slam. Do what's good for the sport as whole, not just what's good for the host country.

NicoFan
10-09-2005, 01:09 AM
Nope, almost any website that has a poll that determines something significant will have an IP tracker to aviod mass voting by a group or people or one person. If I wanted Blake to win that desperately, I would have sat in front of my PC and voted a couple hundred times...

Blake would have no problem with qualiying anyways. For the record, I voted once.

Ahhh...you're a better person than we are...lol! ;)

I only care about getting Nico the WC...me bad! :devil: And I'm willing to sit in front of my computer for 5 hours straight every day to do it for days on end. :D

I'm going to keep voting in the hopes that marca isn't that sophisticated...hope springs eternal. :cool:

Deboogle!.
10-09-2005, 01:25 AM
I was thinking the same thing...like you said if the country only has one tournament, you would want to give WCs to fellow countrypersons.

And also how big the tournament is. If its a smaller tournament with mostly regional players, WCs aren't a big deal, give it to local players.

But a Master's Series event should have a certain prestige and more international feel. Ditto a Grand Slam. Do what's good for the sport as whole, not just what's good for the host country.This is all nice in theory, it's just not the typical practice or custom in the sport at this point. And based on this TD in particular, I would say he could give jackshit about the global nature of the game - all he $ee$ is Money and publicity, and the 4 choices reflect that - a Spaniard, a Frenchman getting a ton of attention, an American with a great story who has been one of the hottest players on tour the past few months, and a former finalist of the tourney. And I'm willing to sit in front of my computer for 5 hours straight every day to do it for days on end. :D I'm quite jealous that you have that kind of time to spend... care to share some of those hours with me so I can get all my projects done? :) :smooch:

Leo
10-09-2005, 01:28 AM
What if one of the players finds this link? I'd spend the entire day hitting my button. :p

Go Alberto!

cecilija
10-09-2005, 01:40 AM
i beleive u can vote just once
they check your ip number ;) so ure wasting ur time :p
Ahhh...you're a better person than we are...lol! ;)

I only care about getting Nico the WC...me bad! :devil: And I'm willing to sit in front of my computer for 5 hours straight every day to do it for days on end. :D

I'm going to keep voting in the hopes that marca isn't that sophisticated...hope springs eternal. :cool:

shotgun
10-09-2005, 01:52 AM
This is all nice in theory, it's just not the typical practice or custom in the sport at this point. And based on this TD in particular, I would say he could give jackshit about the global nature of the game - all he $ee$ is Money and publicity, and the 4 choices reflect that - a Spaniard, a Frenchman getting a ton of attention, an American with a great story who has been one of the hottest players on tour the past few months, and a former finalist of the tourney.I'm quite jealous that you have that kind of time to spend... care to share some of those hours with me so I can get all my projects done? :) :smooch:

Do you really think that Alberto Martin can get past the first round in Madrid? This is what I mean, TD's may be thinking about the money, but I don't think that a spaniard who is more likely to fall on Monday (therefore playing only once) would bring more attention than, for example, Blake who has the potential for making it to, let's say, quarter-finals. It happens quite often that TD's give the 3 WC's to countrymen who are badly ranked or don't feel comfortable playing in the tournament's surface and all of them happen to fall on very first round. I don't think that this is an intelligent commercial decision.

NicoFan
10-09-2005, 02:01 AM
This is all nice in theory, it's just not the typical practice or custom in the sport at this point. And based on this TD in particular, I would say he could give jackshit about the global nature of the game - all he $ee$ is Money and publicity, and the 4 choices reflect that - a Spaniard, a Frenchman getting a ton of attention, an American with a great story who has been one of the hottest players on tour the past few months, and a former finalist of the tourney.I'm quite jealous that you have that kind of time to spend... care to share some of those hours with me so I can get all my projects done? :) :smooch:

Unfortunately you're right about the money and publicity - sadly its that way with everything in life. :sad:

I actually don't have the time - I work full time, and go for my master's at night. I should be working on research papers, but I adore Nico, so he gets this long weekend...lol! ;) I'm sure the poll will be over by early next week so the guys can plan travel arrangements.

Deboogle!.
10-09-2005, 02:01 AM
Do you really think that Alberto Martin can get past the first round in Madrid? This is what I mean, TD's may be thinking about the money, but I don't think that a spaniard who is more likely to fall on Monday (therefore playing only once) would bring more attention than, for example, Blake who has the potential for making it to, let's say, quarter-finals. It happens quite often that TD's give the 3 WC's to countrymen who are badly ranked or don't feel comfortable playing in the tournament's surface and all of them happen to fall on very first round. I don't think that this is an intelligent commercial decision.I'm not saying I diagree with you (in fact, I don't disagree with you!). I'm just saying what's the normal practice, or so it seems, and just that I don't see any reason why this tourney would do anything any differently. If they do, then more power to them. I'm just saying that if they had given it to some low-ranked spaniard like uh, say, Montanes (first name to pop into my head), I personally wouldn't have thought twice about it or cared at all, even though sure I'd rather one of my faves James get it.


NicoFan: Darn, I was hoping you could donate a couple hours a day to me :(

Peoples
10-09-2005, 11:21 AM
And how do you know that? Do you work at marca? Or is this an attempt to get the Chilean fans to stop voting so James will win... ;)
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that you can't vote more than once with 1 IP address. So don't waste your time.

Papakori
10-09-2005, 11:22 AM
I voted Martin :)

uNIVERSE mAN
10-09-2005, 11:45 AM
Costa? who gives a shit about Costa!

Action Jackson
10-09-2005, 11:49 AM
Costa? who gives a shit about Costa!

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Galaxystorm
10-09-2005, 11:59 AM
Gracias dtiger!!! You're a sweetie!

Alonso - doesn't it say crocodile tears? Didn't know if s/he was making fun of me or not. lol! I don't know why s/he would. I like James - just don't think he would win a WC in a vote for a tournament in Spain, that has a Spaniard in the list, in a poll in a Spanish sports newspaper. Nico and Gael don't stand a chance either. It will be the Spaniard...lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which does deserve HUGE crocodile tears because Martin is the only one on the list that doesn't deserve it. And there are already two Spaniard getting WCs, and there s/b one for a foreign player - tennis is an international sport after all.

I was just being ironic about some chilean comments when they are talking about the WC is already known, Beto Martin is spaniard then the WC will be for him bla bla blah .. You remind me whining girls

I think americans and french persons could complain about this fact.... but chileans complaining ????.

Massu and all the chileans should be very grateful to Madrid's organization because objectively i don't see no reason to understand why Massu is in this poll .
I know that he was the finalist two years ago, but we are talking about TWO years, not last year .

I think players like Ginepri, Malisse...would deserve more to be in this poll , because they can show better things in indoor courts than Massu .This spot in the poll is a Christmas present for him

By the way, i'm not sure that the WC will be for Beto Martin.

DhammaTiger
10-09-2005, 12:20 PM
To help my beleagured Chilean friend Nicofan, who is being dumped on unfairly IMO.I voted 3 times for Nico Massu ( from 3 different locations and IP addresses.) I also asked all my friends to do the same thing. Do you know the cutoff date for the poll? By the way, I like Alberto Martin and prefer him to blake.

NicoFan
10-09-2005, 12:49 PM
To help my beleagured Chilean friend Nicofan, who is being dumped on unfairly IMO.I voted 3 times for Nico Massu ( from 3 different locations and IP addresses.) I also asked all my friends to do the same thing. Do you know the cutoff date for the poll? By the way, I like Alberto Martin and prefer him to blake.


Thanks dtiger!!! :) You're a sweetie!

Unfortunately, I don't know the cutoff date.

These people don't bother me...lol!....they are clueless about Nico. Takes him awhile to do well indoors but after awhile (like at the Olympics), he kicks it in.

And the reasons he's gone down so low this year is because of 3 injuries. So he may not be able to do anything this year, but hopefully next year, he'll be back 100%.

And Blake et al don't do well on clay but you never hear anyone diss them the way they do the clay courters when they don't do as well on hardcourts.

So let them talk talk talk... ;) ... they just reveal how little they know. :devil:

The only thing that annoys me is that we had a nice thread here going actually talking about interesting things when the usual MTF nonsense posts have to come in and ruin it.

BTW - I'm not Chilean. I've just made myself an "honorary" Chilean because I like Nico so much. I'm actually from New York. :) So in Galaxystorm's opinion, as an American, I have a right to complain...lol! :devil:

Billy Moonshine
10-09-2005, 01:15 PM
Martin gets my vote, being from the host nation and all.

Galaxystorm
10-09-2005, 01:18 PM
Thanks dtiger!!! :) You're a sweetie!

Unfortunately, I don't know the cutoff date.

These people don't bother me...lol!....they are clueless about Nico. Takes him awhile to do well indoors but after awhile (like at the Olympics), he kicks it in.

And the reasons he's gone down so low this year is because of 3 injuries. So he may not be able to do anything this year, but hopefully next year, he'll be back 100%.

And Blake et al don't do well on clay but you never hear anyone diss them the way they do the clay courters when they don't do as well on hardcourts.

So let them talk talk talk... ;) ... they just reveal how little they know. :devil::

Well , if you were " Volandrifan " instead of "Nicofan " you would say that Filippo is an amazing indoor player .
I think the persons that we aren't fanatics of Massu , Monfils, Martin or Blake we can offer a more objective opinion in comparison with a person called " Nicofan ".

I respect your opinion but i don't share it at all , by the way maybe you forgot to check the " amazing " Nico's indoor record .... ;)

CooCooCachoo
10-09-2005, 02:09 PM
James should get it.

NicoFan
10-09-2005, 02:11 PM
Well , if you were " Volandrifan " instead of "Nicofan " you would say that Filippo is an amazing indoor player .
I think the persons that we aren't fanatics of Massu , Monfils, Martin or Blake we can offer a more objective opinion in comparison with a person called " Nicofan ".

I respect your opinion but i don't share it at all , by the way maybe you forgot to check the " amazing " Nico's indoor record .... ;)

Where in any of my posts have I said that Nico has an amazing indoor record? He's a talented clay player, but hardcourts really aren't his surface. But he's had some success on hardcourts however limited...Olympics, Madrid....which I'm proud of considering that basically he's a clay court player. At least he tries to improve his game there.

And don't think I'm being biased here in the least. He's accomplished more overall than the others...you can't possbly dispute that. And as I said, James must have set a record for WCs this year. Give someone else a chance.

Unlike the American players, the South Americans aren't handed everything. They actually have to work for it.

Raging Bull
10-09-2005, 02:20 PM
Blake and Massu are both great "Headliners". They will give theri all and provide good entertainment to the crowds. It is a stalemate arguement really.

However, if I was in the tournament I would be more worried of Blake in my half of the draw than Massu. Oh its a tough one.....

DhammaTiger
10-09-2005, 04:16 PM
Well, Nicofan you have the right to be what ever you please to be, and to like/ support whom ever you want, without being dumped on and criticised for your choice. I agree with you that if Spanish/ Latin Americans are always treated unfairly and no one gives them credit when they play on hard/ fast courts. I remember watching Nico's match at TMS madrid 2 years ago, I think it was Chela( I am not sure) he was playing against, it was so exciting and wonderful. Posters who are overtly critical of others choices should just shut up.

NicoFan
10-09-2005, 05:40 PM
dtiger - I going to pm you - anything I say will be totally made fun of.

But just for the record - I agree! lol! :)

Peoples
10-09-2005, 08:13 PM
I think WCs should go to young players from Spain and not to any of the candidates actually.

shotgun
10-09-2005, 08:22 PM
I think WCs should go to young players from Spain and not to any of the candidates actually.

For this kind of players there are already WC's for Futures, Challengers, IS events (don't forget Spain already hosts Valencia and Barcelona) and for qualifying tournaments. We're talking here about an AMS event!!

Peoples
10-09-2005, 10:44 PM
For this kind of players there are already WC's for Futures, Challengers, IS events (don't forget Spain already hosts Valencia and Barcelona) and for qualifying tournaments. We're talking here about an AMS event!!
I know it's AMS. Albert Costa and Fernando Verdasco already got theirs and I think there's a very good reason to give the 3rd to Almagro and not make a stupid poll.

lilfairyprincess
10-09-2005, 11:06 PM
i voted james blake..im interested to see how he will back up his us open at this tms! also i think he is a better player than what his ranking suggests at the minute so i wanna see him get his ranking up!

Deboogle!.
10-09-2005, 11:14 PM
I know it's AMS. Albert Costa and Fernando Verdasco already got theirs and I think there's a very good reason to give the 3rd to Almagro and not make a stupid poll. and I am willing to bet that if this is what the tourney had just gone and done like most other tourneys do, that no one would've said anything - Almagro has clearly shown some promise and would be deserving of a WC I think.

But at the same time, I suppose the fact that they set up the poll and opened it up left it open for this debate.

propi
10-09-2005, 11:32 PM
Alberto or Nicolás :worship: the others have much more chances of getting WC
And I agree, Almagro should have been taken into consideration :p

shotgun
10-10-2005, 12:30 AM
I know it's AMS. Albert Costa and Fernando Verdasco already got theirs and I think there's a very good reason to give the 3rd to Almagro and not make a stupid poll.

OK, If you're talking about Almagro, I agree. I thought you were talking about lower ranked and more unknown players.

DhammaTiger
10-10-2005, 11:58 AM
Almagro is a wonderful player. I saw him last year in Stuttgart. Very exciting and has a very smart play. I think he will go up the rankings fast once he gets his confidence.

+alonso
10-10-2005, 04:58 PM
For those people who said Martín doesn't deserve to in the poll.. I have something

Stockholm-1st Round
Martín d (2)Ferrer 2-6 6-3 6-2

shotgun
10-10-2005, 05:24 PM
For those people who said Martín doesn't deserve to in the poll.. I have something

Stockholm-1st Round
Martín d (2)Ferrer 2-6 6-3 6-2

So??

+alonso
10-10-2005, 06:39 PM
So what!?!

I wanted to show them Beto is working hard and is beating top players , SO! he deserves to be in the poll.. just that.. there's no science

keqtqiadv
10-10-2005, 06:47 PM
Beto!!

Galaxystorm
10-10-2005, 06:50 PM
For those people who said Martín doesn't deserve to in the poll.. I have something

Stockholm-1st Round
Martín d (2)Ferrer 2-6 6-3 6-2

It has been his sixth victory in 27 indoor matches :worship: :worship: , he's the next big thing in indoors :rocker2:

Galaxystorm
10-10-2005, 06:54 PM
A rational poll would be : Blake , Ginepri, Monfis and ( Malisse or Srichaphan ). :)

Massu and Martin :o

shotgun
10-10-2005, 07:27 PM
So what!?!

I wanted to show them Beto is working hard and is beating top players , SO! he deserves to be in the poll.. just that.. there's no science

Sure. But we all know that he must do a lot more than that to be side by side with the likes of Blake, Monfils and even Massú.

+alonso
10-10-2005, 07:31 PM
Hey Ok Ok, isn't nesessary to be ironic.. I'm not saying he's the best but at least he can defeat someone like Ferrer who is in the Top 20...Same for Massu.. you never know
Of course there are many players who deserve a place in here but if you have Martín you should know he can make some damage..

Galaxystorm
10-10-2005, 07:37 PM
Hey Ok Ok, isn't nesessary to be ironic.. I'm not saying he's the best but at least he can defeat someone like Ferrer who is in the Top 20...Same for Massu.. you never know
Of course there are many players who deserve a place in here but if you have Martín you should know he can make some damage..

Well, Ferrer is off form in the last weeks and besides he has never been a good indoor player in spite of his semifinal in Lyon last year , thus i think this Beto's victory hasn't too much merit

+alonso
10-10-2005, 07:50 PM
You're right; I agree!

But! this hasn't been his (Beto) year either.. I think He deserves a place in the poll, but i can't deny you there are more players better than him and Massu; They're in the poll and they seems to be the favourites.. (I know all chileans are voting, and spaniards too)

Galaxystorm
10-10-2005, 07:57 PM
You're right; I agree!

But! this hasn't been his (Beto) year either.. I think He deserves a place in the poll, but i can't deny you there are more players better than him and Massu; They're in the poll and they seems to be the favourites.. (I know all chileans are voting, and spaniards too)

I doubt a lot that the most part of spanish tennis fans are voting for Beto, because the " real " tennis fans prefer more to see Blake or Monfils than Beto Martin because Beto has few good things to show in indoors . The danger is that a lot of spanish soccer brains are voting , and as i said some days ago, unless the spanish soccer brains are voting and unless a lot of chileans are voting night and day , the poll winner should be Blake ( i'm not counting Monfils, because he is already inside of the main draw due to the withdrawals ), i think this is the most logical result .

+alonso
10-10-2005, 08:16 PM
Well I predicted Martin & Massu because sadly for you all those spanish soccer brains are voting too .. but i agree with you with Blake.. he should get a lot of votes .. it will be hard for sure..
If Blake wins.. I'll be happy.. he's great! he has had a great summer season.. (i'm not these types of guys who is trashing other players,BTW)
But If Massu or Martin wins Isn't only because spanish soccer brains as you called them are voting everyday.. They're people who would like to see them playing like tennis fans, chileans and spaniards

Kiara
10-10-2005, 09:45 PM
MOntanes is not on the poll this time :sad:

Deivid23
10-10-2005, 09:59 PM
I voted Beto :lol:

Kiara
10-10-2005, 10:01 PM
I voted Beto :lol:

nice avatar :yeah:

Alvarillo
10-12-2005, 05:53 PM
Nicolás Massu won the poll, recieves the 3rd WC!

NicoFan
10-12-2005, 05:55 PM
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

YEAY FOR NICO!!

YEAY FOR ALL OF US THAT VOTED!! :bigclap:

Sparko1030
10-12-2005, 06:00 PM
:banana: What great news!!!! :banana:

I'm so happy for Nico!!! :crazy:

Galaxystorm
10-12-2005, 06:41 PM
Unluckily Madrid won't can watch a player like Blake...

I wonder how many chileans have voted :scratch:, anyway congratulations for Nico, but i think that this is an unfair result talking tennistically .

DhammaTiger
10-12-2005, 10:57 PM
Wow!! That's great news for Nico fans everywhere, especially for NicoFan. I am happy because I can watch Massu on tv now and hope he plays like two years ago. That was great match with Chela.

shotgun
10-12-2005, 11:00 PM
Congrats to Nico and all his fans.

NicoFan
10-12-2005, 11:17 PM
Thanks dtiger and Shotgun Blues!!!

Fergie
10-12-2005, 11:19 PM
Congrats Nico :woohoo:

+alonso
10-12-2005, 11:26 PM
Obrigado, Shotgun Blues :hatoff:

*Viva Chile*
10-12-2005, 11:38 PM
Unluckily Madrid won't can watch a player like Blake...

I wonder how many chileans have voted :scratch:, anyway congratulations for Nico, but i think that this is an unfair result talking tennistically .
Congrats to Nico and thank you to all the chileans that had vote for Nico in this days. We demonstrated again that impossible is nothing!! :yippee:

And for your question... In chilean tv news, tv programmes, tabloids, radio and for many sites on internet it call to chileans who had internet for to vote for Nico. ;)

marcelwks
10-12-2005, 11:39 PM
Massu is playing badly now , really poor.
Sad that WC doesn't go to James :(

NicoFan
10-12-2005, 11:41 PM
Congrats to Nico and thank you to all the chileans that had vote for Nico in this days. We demonstrated again that impossible is nothing!! :yipee:

And for your question... In chilean tv news, tv programmes, tabloids, radio and for many sites on internet it call to chileans who had internet for to vote for Nico. ;)

And congrats to all of us non-Chileans who love Nico too!!! Patting ourselves on the back...lol! ;)

NicoFan
10-12-2005, 11:45 PM
Massu is playing badly now , really poor.
Sad that WC doesn't go to James :(

I feel bad for James....but he has received more WCs than any one person should get in a year. If he wasn't an American, he wouldn't have gotten most of them. I really like James so glad he was able to take advantage of them, but not many other players would have gotten that type of break.

And it doesn't matter how Nico is doing...win or lose, we love Nico and we got him in!!

fenomeno2111
10-13-2005, 02:38 AM
Masuu got the WC in the voting at WWW.MARCA.ES i think the votes of the chileans worked!!! LoL...Anyways i hope he does good and at least a third round so the time you guys spent voting is worth something...If you wanna check here's the link:

http://www.marca.es/edicion/marca/tenis/masters_series_de_madrid/es/desarrollo/574305.html

Galaxystorm
10-17-2005, 12:52 PM
Massu deserved the WC , while Blake didn't :yeah:

No comment... :rolleyes:

marcelwks
10-17-2005, 12:56 PM
Massu great play :devil:

cecilija
10-17-2005, 01:12 PM
really? that is impressive...
Congrats to Nico and thank you to all the chileans that had vote for Nico in this days. We demonstrated again that impossible is nothing!! :yippee:

And for your question... In chilean tv news, tv programmes, tabloids, radio and for many sites on internet it call to chileans who had internet for to vote for Nico. ;)

oneandonlyhsn
10-17-2005, 01:16 PM
Well Massu sure showed his gratitude against Chela

Sparko1030
10-17-2005, 01:39 PM
Well, I'm sure Nico's lackluster loss will give the Massu bashers foddder...gotta expect that I suppose...We all glean joy from different things...but I love ya Nico :inlove: and hope to see you back in the top 20 next year!

DhammaTiger
10-17-2005, 09:02 PM
sorry that Nico lost but Juan had the edge having gone through the qualies. Better luck next tournament nico.

adee-gee
10-17-2005, 09:04 PM
:bigclap: Nico, way to make the most of the 'deserved' wildcard :D