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Since we are Indoor for few weeks: Top 5 Indoor players?

El Legenda
10-08-2005, 03:44 PM
Who's on the list?

Grinder
10-08-2005, 03:47 PM
1. Federer
2. Marat Safin
3. Andy Roddick
4. Lleyton Hewitt
5. Andre Agassi
6. Radek Stepanek
7. David Nalbandian
8. Ivan Ljubicic
9. Thomas Johansson
10. Tim Henman/Taylor Dent/Max Mirnyi/Mario Ancic

From what I've seen, Nadal is worse on Indoor than he is on grass.

cecilija
10-08-2005, 03:48 PM
ommm it is difficult to say
my list is something like this:
1.Safin
2.Federer
3.Nalbandian
4.Ljubcicic
5.Ancic

i do not take care players injured or out in form with low rankings

Horatio Caine
10-08-2005, 03:59 PM
You little bugger! :haha:

1. R. Federer
2. M. Safin
3. I. Ljubicic
4. R. Stepanek
5. T. Henman

I am convinced Henman would beat Stepanek indoors again, (might see it on Wednesday / Thursday) but Sexy has done better than Tim this year at any rate.

RickDaStick
10-08-2005, 04:01 PM
1. Federer
2.Safin
3. Ljubicic
4.Joachim
5. Dent

El Legenda
10-08-2005, 04:08 PM
You little bugger! :haha:

1. R. Federer
2. M. Safin
3. I. Ljubicic
4. R. Stepanek
5. T. Henman

I am convinced Henman would beat Stepanek indoors again, (might see it on Wednesday / Thursday) but Sexy has done better than Tim this year at any rate.

:angel:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
10-08-2005, 04:12 PM
1. Federer
2. Ginepri
3. Agassi
4. Ljubicic
5. Murray

Aphex
10-08-2005, 04:33 PM
1:Safin
2.Federer
3.Ljubicic
4.Nalbandian
5.Hewitt

Action Jackson
10-08-2005, 04:39 PM
1. Volandri
2. Hernandez
3. A.Martin
4. Montañes
5. Saretta


1. Safin
2. Federer
3. T.Johansson
4. Ljubicic
5. Henman

In the old days Thomas Enqvist was an indoor monster.

Grinder
10-08-2005, 04:41 PM
1. Volandri
2. Hernandez
3. A.Martin
4. Montañes
5. Saretta


That was almost funny.

In the old days Thomas Enqvist was an indoor monster.

He's still decent on indoors, he had match point on Andy Roddick in San Jose earlier this year.

revolution
10-08-2005, 04:41 PM
Perhaps Robin Soderling as well, his two titles have come on the indoor surfaces.

Action Jackson
10-08-2005, 04:43 PM
He's still decent on indoors, he had match point on Andy Roddick in San Jose earlier this year.

If he hadn't been injured for a long time and even 2 years ago, he'd still be there and Rusedski was good under a roof.

Sandra
10-08-2005, 04:43 PM
1.Marat Safin :angel: cant think of others now :p

TheBoiledEgg
10-08-2005, 04:47 PM
Toad is a poor mans' Enqvist :p

Tompa indoors was lethal

still indoor tennis these days is no where near as good as it was.

Action Jackson
10-08-2005, 04:50 PM
Toad is a poor mans' Enqvist :p

Tompa indoors was lethal

still indoor tennis these days is no where near as good as it was.

As someone said the Toad is an uglier version of Enqvist, with less talent.

I remember Geneva's finest Rosset was a gun indoors, but the quality of the play indoors isn't what it used to be and Ivanisevic was good indoors as well.

revolution
10-08-2005, 04:56 PM
Pim-Pim as well is another, he has two indoor titles (is Memphis outdoor or indoor?)

Action Jackson
10-08-2005, 05:00 PM
Pim-Pim as well is another, he has two indoor titles (is Memphis outdoor or indoor?)

Memphis is indoors and yes in the Swedish production line of indoor players.

revolution
10-08-2005, 05:03 PM
I guess Vinciguerra and Bjorkman are exceptions, or is Bjorkman an indoor specialist? Always thought he was more of a grass player.

curlgirl3
10-08-2005, 05:06 PM
nadal!!!!!!!!!

Action Jackson
10-08-2005, 05:07 PM
I guess Vinciguerra and Bjorkman are exceptions, or is Bjorkman an indoor specialist? Always thought he was more of a grass player.

Björkman and Vinci are not, though they have won indoor titles before, it's just the other ones these days are indoor players at the extreme level like Söderling or in between.

RickDaStick
10-08-2005, 06:20 PM
Ljubicic is actually 19-3 this year indoors counting davis cup.

Saumon
10-08-2005, 06:22 PM
I love carpet indoor because it's a surface where Marat had better results than Roger :devil: :p

TheMightyFed
10-08-2005, 06:30 PM
FYI, Federer indoor:124-39 (76%)
Marat indoor : 89-51 (64%)
Just as a reference, Lendl was 347-72 (83%) :worship:

Deivid23
10-08-2005, 06:38 PM
Safin
Federer
Ljubicic
Nalbandian
Roddick

Galaxystorm
10-08-2005, 06:48 PM
According to the criterion of percentage of wins in indoor matches among the main mentioned active players in the previous messages :

1) Roddick.......78.08 %
2) Federer.......76.07
3) Hewitt ........75.95
4) Nalbandian ...70.27
5) Agassi .........70
6) Henman .......67.68
7) Ljubicic....... 63.64
8) Safin...........63.57
9)Enqvist.........62.95
10)Dent.......... 61.91
11)T.Johansson 60.4
12)Mirnyi ........59.32
13)Stepanek ....51.92
14)Ancic .........50

Saumon
10-08-2005, 06:50 PM
FYI, Federer indoor:124-39 (76%)
Marat indoor : 89-51 (64%)
Just as a reference, Lendl was 347-72 (83%) :worship:
Marat won 3 times in Bercy :p

curlgirl3
10-08-2005, 06:50 PM
NADAL!!!
BECAUSE OF HIS ASS(K)

Action Jackson
10-08-2005, 06:51 PM
According to the criterion of percentage of wins in indoor matches among the main mentioned active players in the previous messages :

1) Roddick.......78.08 %
2) Federer.......76.07
3) Hewitt ........75.95
4) Nalbandian ...70.27
5) Agassi .........70
6) Henman .......67.68
7) Ljubicic....... 63.64
8) Safin...........63.57
9)Enqvist.........62.95
10)Dent.......... 61.91
11)T.Johansson 60.4
12)Mirnyi ........59.32
13)Stepanek ....51.92
14)Ancic .........50

Well Roddick for example has won more clay titles than Federer, no one would seriously suggest that he is better on this surface.

These percentages don't always tell the full story and Roddick for example has never won an indoor title in Europe, where the biggest ones have been played. No doubting he is capable indoors, just the percentages only tell it partially.

revolution
10-08-2005, 06:53 PM
Those putting Henman as a great indoor player, yes he won a TMS, but he hasn't the serve really or enough indoor titles to be classed as one of the best.

BlackSilver
10-08-2005, 06:56 PM
1) Safin
2) Federer
3) Hewitt
4) Nalbandian
5) Ljubicic

Galaxystorm
10-08-2005, 07:01 PM
Well Roddick for example has won more clay titles than Federer, no one would seriously suggest that he is better on this surface.

These percentages don't always tell the full story and Roddick for example has never won an indoor title in Europe, where the biggest ones have been played. No doubting he is capable indoors, just the percentages only tell it partially.

I just posted a statistic of % of wins and if you realize i didn't make no value judgement. Obviously is just one of the several criterions that should be considered .

And about Roddick % of wins on clay is funny, one day i made an statistic about this fact and he's among the best 10 players , but this Roddick's statistic is very deceptive because of his wins of clay in north america, that is the former Atlanta and the current Houston tournaments where he has an amazing record ( if i'm not wrong his % is over the 90 % ) but on the other hand in matches on clay played out the States he isn't one of the top claycourters .. The key is that in north american tournaments on clay the best european and south american players don't go there , then the level is poor and Roddick can build his deceptive %

Action Jackson
10-08-2005, 07:05 PM
I just posted a statistic of % of wins and if you realize i didn't make no value judgement. Obviously is just one of the several criterions that should be considered .

And about Roddick % of wins on clay is funny, one day i made an statistic about this fact and he's among the best 10 players , but this Roddick's statistic is very deceptive because of his wins of clay in north america, that is the former Atlanta and the current Houston tournaments were he has an amazing record ( if i'm not wrong his % is over the 90 % ) but on the other hand in matches on clay played out the States he isn't one of the top claycourters .. The key is that in north american tournaments on clay the best european and south american players don't go there , then the level is poor and Roddick can build his deceptive %

I am not saying you did, but with the percentages alone it can be misleading while not taking into account other factors.

Galaxystorm
10-08-2005, 07:14 PM
1) Federer
2) Roddick and Safin ( same level )
3) Hewitt
4) Agassi
5) Nalbandian / Ljubicic ( depending on the day )

cecilija
10-08-2005, 07:45 PM
plus a final (lost to agassi in 1999)! he is untouchable in paris bercy :eek: :worship:
Marat won 3 times in Bercy :p

Saumon
10-08-2005, 07:47 PM
plus a final (lost to agassi in 1999)! he is untouchable in paris bercy :eek: :worship:
plus the davis cup :aplot:

Grinder
10-08-2005, 07:48 PM
I think a lot of people choose to leave Roddick out of their lists, not because they don't feel he's up there with the top indoor players, but simply because of their dislike for him.

Action Jackson
10-08-2005, 07:52 PM
I think a lot of people choose to leave Roddick out of their lists, not because they don't feel he's up there with the top indoor players, but simply because of their dislike for him.

I gave clear reasons as to why I left him out.

Action Jackson
10-08-2005, 08:06 PM
I didn't say you left him out because of dislike.

Always accused of doing it, even though stated clearly as to why I left him out.

The Safinator
10-08-2005, 08:08 PM
1. Safin
2. Soderling
3. Henman
4. Agassi
5. Federer

Grinder
10-08-2005, 08:08 PM
Once again, I never singled you out, hell, I didn't even include you. I said "a lot of people", unless you decided to include yourself in the majority.

curlgirl3
10-08-2005, 08:11 PM
nadal

PaulieM
10-08-2005, 08:13 PM
nadal
i think people got the idea after the first 3 or 4 times you posted that;)

Jennay
10-08-2005, 08:18 PM
According to the criterion of percentage of wins in indoor matches among the main mentioned active players in the previous messages :

1) Roddick.......78.08 %
2) Federer.......76.07
This stat obviously means that Roddick will be the #1 player in the world soon enough!

1) Safin
2) Federer
3) Ljubicic
4) Nalbandian
5) Roddick

bjorn4tennis92
10-08-2005, 08:19 PM
safin
ancic
ivan
nalbandian
hrbaty

curlgirl3
10-08-2005, 08:25 PM
1. nadal
2. nadal
3. nadal
4. nadal
5. nadal

Fergie
10-08-2005, 08:38 PM
1.- Federer
2.- Safin
3.- Ljubicic
4.- T. Johansson
5.- Henman

curlgirl3
10-08-2005, 08:40 PM
1 NADAL
2 NADAL
NADAL
NADAL
NADAL
NADAL
NADAL

Phunkadelicious
10-08-2005, 08:48 PM
1 NADAL
2 NADAL
NADAL
NADAL
NADAL
NADAL
NADAL

oh my god get a grip :banghead:

Jimnik
10-08-2005, 09:08 PM
1 Safin
2 FedEx
3 Roddick
4 Hewitt
5 Ljubicic

curlgirl3
10-08-2005, 09:25 PM
NADAL!

Rex
10-08-2005, 09:28 PM
safin
federer
pimpim
roddick
ancic

curlgirl3
10-08-2005, 09:32 PM
FEDERERERERERERERERER SUCKS ON INDOOR COURTS

RickDaStick
10-08-2005, 09:36 PM
FEDERERERERERERERERER SUCKS ON INDOOR COURTS


Get lost kid.

curlgirl3
10-08-2005, 09:38 PM
OK I WILL

someday.........

Federerhingis
10-08-2005, 09:51 PM
1. Volandri
2. Hernandez
3. A.Martin
4. Montañes
5. Saretta


1. Safin
2. Federer
3. T.Johansson
4. Ljubicic
5. Henman

In the old days Thomas Enqvist was an indoor monster.

Yup, Sampras was never very fond of meeting Enqvist indoors with his monsterous serve.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-09-2005, 03:08 AM
RAFA....

no seriously Marat....

but my name will hold true. :D

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-09-2005, 03:11 AM
Curlgirl3 you made a big mistake.

Never say anything bad about JesusFed. :scared:

Now one of his disciples in going to find you and KARATE CHOP. :haha: :rolls:

shotgun
10-09-2005, 03:28 AM
Soederling is an indoor demon :devil: . He should be on every single list :lol: .

bad gambler
10-09-2005, 03:35 AM
safin
fedex
ljubicic
stepanek
soders

El Legenda
10-09-2005, 03:37 AM
Including Davis Cup, Ljubicic is 19-3 indoor this year

RickDaStick
10-09-2005, 03:29 PM
With Metz title, Ivan improves to 20-3

TheBoiledEgg
10-09-2005, 03:31 PM
Ljubicic when he wins a TMS then he can be counted.

bring back the days of

Ivanisevic, Krajicek, Enqvist, Sampras, Becker, Stich, Edberg, Lendl

not some wannabe's

El Legenda
10-09-2005, 03:32 PM
Ljubicic when he wins a TMS then he can be counted.

bring back the days of

Ivanisevic, Krajicek, Enqvist, Sampras, Becker, Stich, Edberg, Lendl

not some wannabe's

fine, i guess we will have to wait 2 weeks ;)

KarstenBraasch#1
10-09-2005, 09:38 PM
Boris.

El Legenda
10-09-2005, 09:41 PM
Boris.

right and does Boris play right now?

Horatio Caine
10-09-2005, 09:56 PM
Those putting Henman as a great indoor player, yes he won a TMS, but he hasn't the serve really or enough indoor titles to be classed as one of the best.

He has won many of his career titles indoors and he is at his most dangerous indoors so I think he should certainly be on the list!

His serve may not be the miost powerful but he gets the placement well...and of course he can serve and volley much more effectively and chip and charge when receiving. He is consistent indoors...maybe not for the rest of this year though :scared:

Peoples
10-09-2005, 11:52 PM
Federer
Safin
Roddick
Nalbandian
and Ljubicic

megadeth
10-10-2005, 01:23 AM
why would an outdoor expert have problems indoors?

effects should be minimal right?

lunahielo
10-10-2005, 01:38 AM
1) Federer
2) Safin
3) Ljubicic
4) Hewitt
5) Stefanek....

monicain
10-11-2005, 04:43 AM
why would an outdoor expert have problems indoors?

effects should be minimal right?

Lightings is of a factor, I supposed. Like those who can't play under the light of the US Open night sessions.

My lists:
Safin : TMP Bercy again and again and again...also the Australian Open :cool: though he did beat Roger open-roofed :o
Federer: Basel, Bangkok :angel: ,Rotterdam
Henman: Basel
Ljubicic
Roddick

tangerine_dream
10-07-2010, 11:36 PM
Time to bump up some old threads and update them.

I like how Jerry only made this thread so that he could talk about his hero. :lol:

Another one here (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=19776).

Sapeod
10-07-2010, 11:38 PM
When at their best, in no order:

Federer
Murray
Soderling
Nalbandian
Djokovic?

finishingmove
10-07-2010, 11:42 PM
how much different is it than outdoors nowadays?

not much i'd say.

Ibracadabra
10-08-2010, 12:06 AM
Nalbandian
Federer
Novak
Del potro
Davydenko in that order.

philosophicalarf
10-08-2010, 12:33 AM
how much different is it than outdoors nowadays?



Depends - Basel, Memphis, San Jose are still pretty quick. Marseille not far off either. Of outdoors hard courts only Tokyo and Cinci are comparable imo. Montpellier will likely be on the fastish end of things too.

On the other side of the coin, there are some really dog-slow indoors courts now: Moscow, Kuala Lumpur, Stockholm, possibly Valencia (was really cold last year cos stadium wasn't complete).

It's not one-way traffic to a slower destination though. For every Rotterdam (switched from Greenset to a slower Deco two years ago) and Stockholm (switched to slower balls last year), there's a Vienna or Metz, which have speeded up their surfaces quite noticeably over the last two years, going from slowish to medium. San Jose was also dramatically speeded up 2 or 3 years back.

abraxas21
10-08-2010, 12:40 AM
Hard to say these days.

Things are too unpredictable

finishingmove
10-08-2010, 01:17 AM
Depends - Basel, Memphis, San Jose are still pretty quick. Marseille not far off either. Of outdoors hard courts only Tokyo and Cinci are comparable imo. Montpellier will likely be on the fastish end of things too.

On the other side of the coin, there are some really dog-slow indoors courts now: Moscow, Kuala Lumpur, Stockholm, possibly Valencia (was really cold last year cos stadium wasn't complete).

It's not one-way traffic to a slower destination though. For every Rotterdam (switched from Greenset to a slower Deco two years ago) and Stockholm (switched to slower balls last year), there's a Vienna or Metz, which have speeded up their surfaces quite noticeably over the last two years, going from slowish to medium. San Jose was also dramatically speeded up 2 or 3 years back.

but, you said it yourself: if cinci can play as fast on a normal day, then we should be talking about 'which players have noticeable problems dealing with the weather' rather than success on indoor hardcourts as a separate surface.

Macbrother
10-08-2010, 02:17 AM
Yeah it's not just surface speed that make indoor hard/carpet unique; there are other factors as well which can bring out the best in certain players game: for instance, virtually zero wind/weather conditions which for example make people with not so great a ball toss (Soderling, Nalbandian) much more consistent. Also, there is usually less variation in bounces, which really help the timing of power baseliners.

rocketassist
10-08-2010, 02:33 AM
1 Federer
2 Nalbandian
3 Murray
4 Ljubicic
5 Davydenko

latso
10-08-2010, 08:04 AM
Federer
Murray
Davydenko
Djokovic
Gulbis

henke007
10-08-2010, 08:28 AM
Offcourse Soderking is a top 5 indoor player

philosophicalarf
10-08-2010, 08:59 AM
but, you said it yourself: if cinci can play as fast on a normal day, then we should be talking about 'which players have noticeable problems dealing with the weather' rather than success on indoor hardcourts as a separate surface.

Fair point. The only real differences then:

1) An indoor court of the same speed is easier to hold serve on, because of the lack of weather interference. You can see this from Bangkok vs Tokyo: numerous players have said the latter is much, much faster this year, but they have the same serve stats. Slightly different dynamic, more pressure on serve, more importance on tiebreak skills etc.

2) More indoor courts are slick, but with humidity or slow balls balancing things. Of the outdoor courts you have a lot more tournament playing fast simply cos they use fast balls. Same overall speed on average, but again a different dynamic.

FormerRafaFan
10-08-2010, 10:10 AM
Soderling, Djokovic etc. Players who are also good on indoors.

I also would have said Verdasco, but he kinda sucks lately, on ALL surfaces, lol

rocketassist
10-08-2010, 10:34 AM
Depends - Basel, Memphis, San Jose are still pretty quick. Marseille not far off either. Of outdoors hard courts only Tokyo and Cinci are comparable imo. Montpellier will likely be on the fastish end of things too.

On the other side of the coin, there are some really dog-slow indoors courts now: Moscow, Kuala Lumpur, Stockholm, possibly Valencia (was really cold last year cos stadium wasn't complete).

It's not one-way traffic to a slower destination though. For every Rotterdam (switched from Greenset to a slower Deco two years ago) and Stockholm (switched to slower balls last year), there's a Vienna or Metz, which have speeded up their surfaces quite noticeably over the last two years, going from slowish to medium. San Jose was also dramatically speeded up 2 or 3 years back.

Paris and London WTF are both slow as hell too.

philosophicalarf
10-08-2010, 10:59 AM
Paris isn't that slow, they speeded it up a bit last year. The bounce isn't traditional indoors low certainly, but it still gets through the court quite quickly - same number of service breaks there as on grass, for example.