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onewoman74
10-07-2005, 06:53 PM
what's a guy to do?....


Nadal withdrawal angers Vienna officials

By Barry Wood

FILDERSTADT, Germany, Oct 7 (Reuters) - Top seed and world number two Rafael Nadal has pulled out of next week's ATP event in Vienna after injuring his knee in practice.

There had been media speculation the young Spaniard would not appear but his management confirmed on Friday morning that he would be playing. They then announced his withdrawal in the afternoon.

"This is the biggest affront in the history of this tournament," said furious tournament director Peter Feigl.

The remaining seeds in the event after Argentine Guillermo Coria also withdrew are David Nalbandian, Gaston Gaudio, Radek Stepanek, Ivan Ljubicic, Tommy Robredo, Fernando Gonzalez and Juan Carlos Ferrero.

cecilija
10-07-2005, 06:56 PM
I am with Nadal, if he is injured then he can not play.

at least the injuriy is fake

curlgirl3
10-07-2005, 06:56 PM
he has to safe his energy for that other tournament

El Legenda
10-07-2005, 06:59 PM
Ljubicic is not playing.

MisterQ
10-07-2005, 07:00 PM
"This is the biggest affront in the history of this tournament," said furious tournament director Peter Feigl.


:eek:

That's one angry Wiener.

RickDaStick
10-07-2005, 07:07 PM
Ljubicic is not playing.


Where did you hear that? Im pretty sure he is.

El Legenda
10-07-2005, 07:13 PM
Where did you hear that? Im pretty sure he is.

According to him Admin on his Offical site: Metz. Madrid. Lyon. Paris. but they might of changed it.

TheBoiledEgg
10-07-2005, 07:13 PM
The remaining seeds in the event after Argentine Guillermo Coria also withdrew are David Nalbandian, Gaston Gaudio, Radek Stepanek, Ivan Ljubicic, Tommy Robredo, Fernando Gonzalez and Juan Carlos Ferrero.

omg look at seed lists :lol:

this event used to one of the BEST a few years ago, plenty of top 20 used to be unseeded.

it was up against Tokyo outdoor
now its got Moscow and Stockholm at same time.

peteslamz
10-07-2005, 07:16 PM
I'm pretty sure he's really really exhausted but i do not think he's injured. :confused: but i guess he deserves a rest. he played a LOT of tournaments this year. Pity for the Vienna officials

peteslamz
10-07-2005, 07:27 PM
But you cannot also blame the vienna official for not being frustrated because the Nadal camp already confirmed that Nadal will participate on Friday morning then pulled out at the afternoon... he was expected to be the main attraction of the tournament

Baseline
10-07-2005, 07:31 PM
Nadal and Coria went all the way to China between US Open and Davis Cup, presumably for appearance money

Coria chose to play China in large part because he had committed in 2005, but had to back out due to the shoulder surgery. He also had personal reasons - he said many times this year that he was looking forward to touring China with his wife, which they did. Not sure, but heard his wife might have been sitting with her father in the stands - if so, they might have planned a family trip around it, which would make it even harder to skip.

It's easy to say a player chooses a tournament for the appearance money, but top players aren't necessarily needy in that way, often earning far more money in their company contracts than from tournaments. Appearance fees exist, and might make a difference sometimes, but they aren't always the determining factor.

As for playing so close to Davis Cup, in retrospect it wasn't a great idea, but Nalbandian and Hrbaty were on the Entry list too - except that Hrbaty mysteriously witdrew with an "injury" just before Davis Cup. Didn't see any sign of that injury during DC, so I guess the rest helped. Can't help wondering if that was a tactic to lure the Argentines to China thinking that court surface was a good preparation for DC - no proof of that, just something that I thought would be a clever tactic.

Galaxystorm
10-07-2005, 07:40 PM
Coria chose to play China in large part because he had committed in 2005, but had to back out due to the shoulder surgery. He also had personal reasons - he said many times this year that he was looking forward to touring China with his wife, which they did. Not sure, but heard his wife might have been sitting with her father in the stands - if so, they might have planned a family trip around it, which would make it even harder to skip.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Coria , Nadal, Nalbandian, Ferrero , Johansson , Youzhny etc , all those players had to play the next week a DC tie on a different surface and besides in Europe ( except for Johansson ), but all of them went to China only searching the appearance money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$.

Nobody can believe Coria's silly excuses..

The 90% of ATP players are just mercenaries and it's funny when they tell the joke about Davis cup and to represent their nation are the most important things :haha:

Scotso
10-07-2005, 07:44 PM
"This is the biggest affront in the history of this tournament," said furious tournament director Peter Feigl.

Get over it :shrug:

croat123
10-07-2005, 07:46 PM
Ljubicic is not playing.
ivan is playing. the tournament that isn't listed on his website is metz

jzpyt06
10-07-2005, 08:06 PM
I'm pretty sure he's really really exhausted but i do not think he's injured. :confused: but i guess he deserves a rest. he played a LOT of tournaments this year. Pity for the Vienna officials


i totally agree with u on this one. Like i sadi on vamosrafa he shouldn't hav left it so late but has has played a lot this season and the seaon has not even ended. though rafa did state he really wanted to go so the injury must hav come about in his sleep. i thought it unfair for the tournement director to say wat he said it was unfair and unkind for him to heep on all the on one player. Its also a bit disrespectful for the other players who will entertain the people going next week. Plus rafa has qualifed for end season champs his really only playing for fun to b honest. The point system are unlikely to make roddick the number 2 by the end of the year so hey rest while u can.

Rafa is getting himself ready for madrid which is in his home country indoor hard which is something he is not really comfortable on.

Nathaliia
10-07-2005, 08:14 PM
all what I can say is to be sorry or Vienna's people... I love that city, along with Paris it's my favourite capital city of Europe :yeah:

Rex
10-07-2005, 08:14 PM
if he is injured he cant play-what do the y want him to do.

Truc
10-07-2005, 08:27 PM
i thought it unfair for the tournement director to say wat he said it was unfair and unkind for him to heep on all the on one player. Its also a bit disrespectful for the other players who will entertain the people going next week. Yes, the tournament of Vienna has been overhyping Nadal's coming for weeks now (although everybody knew he would probably withdraw from a few indoors events because his schedule was too heavy), it was incredible. Of course now it's a disaster for them, but it's their own fault, they were so exclusively focussed on him, it was ridiculous, really.

Nobody can believe Coria's silly excuses..In fact, I'm not sure Coria himself said this and made those excuses. I haven't read anything like this.
It's pretty obvious they all played in China because of the guarantees.

Paul Banks
10-07-2005, 09:07 PM
You know what I find funny, that "if you play, we'll kiss your feet and tell all week how amazing and wonderful you are, but if you withdraw, you are a disgusting piece of garbage" attitude by some tournament directors.

The only thing it does is hurting the tournament (who wants to play a tournament where the tournament director is rude?) , I doubt Nadal will lose sleep over the fact that the tournament director is pissed at him.

RogiFan88
10-07-2005, 09:39 PM
Every tournament wants Nadal now and if he is supposed to play and withdraws, the tourney director will go crazy... whatever. Rafa can't play ALL the tourneys he originally signed up for. This will continue to happen as long as there is such a heavy schedule and top guys like Rafa, who are THE draw, continue to go deep and win. Nothing one can do.

Sjengster
10-07-2005, 10:03 PM
The remaining seeds in the event after Argentine Guillermo Coria also withdrew are David Nalbandian, Gaston Gaudio, Radek Stepanek, Ivan Ljubicic, Tommy Robredo, Fernando Gonzalez and Juan Carlos Ferrero.

But hey, look at the list of seeds remaining! :D Provided Boredo doesn't screw things up by starting to play well indoors again, we're guaranteed a great winner from that list. Any tournament headlined by Naba and Gaudio as the top two seeds has to be worth something.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
10-07-2005, 10:53 PM
I see the reason they were so pissed off,I guess he needs rest and prepares for the AMS.
Show them you play great tennis,Feņa,Ivan,Juanqui and Gaston! ;)

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-07-2005, 11:52 PM
Its not like he is the first player to ever withdraw from a tournament.
Fatigue is the real factor here.

Deboogle!.
10-07-2005, 11:53 PM
It seems like what they are upset about is that his appearance was confirmed earlier in the day, then he withdrew. So I can see why they're upset if that is what happened. If he wasn't going to play, his people shouldn't have said he would just hours earlier. That seems only fair. Again, IF that is actually what happened.

Hurley
10-08-2005, 12:01 AM
might of

:hysteric:

NYCtennisfan
10-08-2005, 12:05 AM
If you read the build up

Nadal had said that he was "tired" and has made up a convenient injury at the last minute.

Nadal and Coria were the headliners and Vienna now has neither.
I am not surprised at the comments

Nadal and Coria went all the way to China between US Open and Davis Cup,
presumably for appearance money

No wonder they are now tired

Exactly. Nadal is not inured but he has nothing to gain in this tournament. He also apparently does not need the appearance fee money.

I don't blame Rafa at all but at the same time, I can see why the tourny director would be upset.

Deivid23
10-08-2005, 12:19 AM
Itīs all LaLoīs fault, Since his title there, that tourney wonīt ever be the same :sad:

Sjengster
10-08-2005, 12:30 AM
I see a great chance for LaLo to repeat here as champion, mark my words.

Deivid23
10-08-2005, 12:35 AM
I see a great chance for LaLo to repeat here as champion, mark my words.

Well, that would be the trophy I wouldnīt be pissed at LaLo winning as he has already achieved it bc of a weak draw and some good luck. Seeing the weak draw this year I wouldnīt be stunned if he defends his title, though I donīt care too much, he can win it 5 years in a row if he wants :lol:

wowfed
10-08-2005, 12:36 AM
So true..No wonder Nadal is tired... Who had asked him to have a horrible schedule and play 20 events.. Shame if he gets injured or performs below par at remaining big events..
If you read the build up

Nadal had said that he was "tired" and has made up a convenient injury at the last minute.

Nadal and Coria were the headliners and Vienna now has neither.
I am not surprised at the comments

Nadal and Coria went all the way to China between US Open and Davis Cup,
presumably for appearance money

No wonder they are now tired

Sjengster
10-08-2005, 12:38 AM
Well, that would be the trophy I wouldnīt be pissed at LaLo winning as he has already achieved it bc of a weak draw and some good luck. Seeing the weak draw this year I wouldnīt be stunned if he defends his title, though I donīt care too much, he can win it 5 years in a row if he wants :lol:

Will you edit your post in the thread about predictions for players' career achievements, then? ;)

Deivid23
10-08-2005, 12:44 AM
Will you edit your post in the thread about predictions for players' career achievements, then? ;)

ATP Vienna no longer exists since last year for me

RogiFan88
10-08-2005, 02:00 AM
I doubt Feli can defend his title... it is so rare that all the perfect conditions [as Deivid said: "weak draw and some good luck"] can come together in order for him to actually win a tournament. Probably will be his only title. One is better than none I guess. ;) So is he playing Vienna again this year?

Billabong
10-08-2005, 02:26 AM
:eek:

rue
10-08-2005, 03:39 AM
It is a good idea that he rest up because he has got the Masters Series tournaments coming up. He has played a lot of tennis lately too.

LaTenista
10-08-2005, 07:30 AM
I hope this was all worth it, i.e. Nadal does well in Madrid. Otherwise :rolleyes:. His team set his schedule ages ago, not knowing he was going to go so deep into so many tournaments.

I'm not so sure he'll play Basel either. In fact, I think he originally was going to play Lyon but switched :scratch:. He's got practically nothing to defend from this point on so Hewitt or Roddick would have to come up with some spectacular results to overtake Nadal's No 2 spot.

One player does not make or break a tournament. Two of the last 3 years Agassi has pulled out of Cincy at the last minute, didn't have much affect, attendance or otherwise.

Deivid23, what if Roger misses a Wimbledon and Feli accidently wins it? Will that GS no longer exist? Or do you already ignore it like Gaudio? :o

MariaV
10-08-2005, 08:10 AM
LOL guys, Rafa cannot play himself to death at this young age. It was a smart decision. :D

Puschkin
10-08-2005, 08:17 AM
ATP Vienna no longer exists since last year for me
It does for me ;). However, I would prefer another winner than in 2004, too.
I have tickets for three days and I will go and enjoy it. I would have liked to see Nadal, but that withdrawal was obvious in its coming. Maybe the way it was finally carried out justifies some embarassement from the organisers, confirming in the morning, and withdrawing in the afternoon. But I am not sure, if it is true. Newspapers write so much crap nowadays.

Deivid23
10-08-2005, 10:40 AM
Deivid23, what if Roger misses a Wimbledon and Feli accidently wins it? Will that GS no longer exist? Or do you already ignore it like Gaudio? :o

Please stop posting when drunk

Galaxystorm
10-08-2005, 10:41 AM
Deivid23, what if Roger misses a Wimbledon and Feli accidently wins it? Will that GS no longer exist? Or do you already ignore it like Gaudio? :o

IF Feliciano accidently reaches Wimbly final i will make sure Feliciano doesn't win :devil: .......For examlpe kidnapping his doggy :armed:

Deivid23
10-08-2005, 10:45 AM
I hope this was all worth it, i.e. Nadal does well in Madrid. Otherwise :rolleyes:. His team set his schedule ages ago, not knowing he was going to go so deep into so many tournaments.



This is well worth despite whatever Nadal achieves in Madrid (I donīt have too many hopes about nothing great, honestly) as his coaching team has led him in the right way, no reason to criticize this kind of decisions bc results have been excellent throughout the season

Action Jackson
10-08-2005, 10:52 AM
Sad for the Austrians, that they can't see Nadal play, but what's the point of him just going there through the motions, taking the guarantee and not being anywhere near his best.

Galaxystorm
10-08-2005, 10:57 AM
This is well worth despite whatever Nadal achieves in Madrid (I donīt have too many hopes about nothing great, honestly) as his coaching team has led him in the right way, no reason to criticize this kind of decisions bc results have been excellent throughout the season

I completely disagree . His team has no idea of making schedules..

1) He shouldn't have gone to Acapulco
2) He shouldn't have gone to Valencia
3) He shouldn't have played doubles in Barcelona
4) He should have gone to Wimbly a week before to practice on grass and not on the ridiculous synthetic grass where he practiced in Mallorca . The result : Bad perfomance in Wimbly .
5) After his defeat in Cincy he should have stayed in US preparing US Open on Flushing Meadows courts, but he deciced to return to Europe ( The result :he never got a good adjustment to Flushing meadows courts and balls and played a horrible grand slam )
5) He shouldn't have gone to China
6) In general terms, he should have played less doubles matches..

The result is : 1) He couldn't play two masters series ( IW and Hamburg due to a bad planning . 2) He reaches this end of season without his best form . 3) If he hand't played Acapulco maybe Spain hadn't lost against Slovakia , without no doubt if he hand't gone to China his petrol tank hadn't finished in the 3rd-4th set against Seppi.

Action Jackson
10-08-2005, 11:03 AM
I completely disagree . His team has no idea of making schedules..

1) He shouldn't have gone to Acapulco
2) He shouldn't have gone to Valencia
3) He shouldn't have played doubles in Barcelona
4) He should have gone to Wimbly a week before to practise on grass and not on the
4) After his defeat in Cincy he should have stayed in US preparing US Open on Flushing Meadows courts, but he deciced to return to Europe ( The result :he never got a good adjustment to Flushing meadows courts and balls and played a horrible grand slam )

5) He shouldn't have gone to China
6) In general terms, he should have played less doubles matches..

The result is : 1) He couldn't play two masters series ( IW and Hamburg due to a bad planning . 2) He reaches this end of season without his best form . 3) If he hand't played Acapulco maybe Spain hadn't lost against Slovakia , without no doubt if he hand't gone to China his petrol tank hadn't finished in the 3rd-4th set against Seppi.

Look where he is ranked at the end of the year, as to where he started from? Therefore job done successfully, next year the schedule will be done differently.

Like they expected Nadal to be # 2 at the start of 2005.

Deivid23
10-08-2005, 11:10 AM
I completely disagree . His team has no idea of making schedules..

1) He shouldn't have gone to Acapulco
2) He shouldn't have gone to Valencia
3) He shouldn't have played doubles in Barcelona
4) He shouldn't have gone to China
5) In general terms, he should have played less doubles matches..

The result is : 1) He couldn't play two masters series ( IW and Hamburg due to a bad planning . 2) He reaches this end of season without his best form . 3) If he hand't played Acapulco maybe Spain hadn't lost against Slovakia , without no doubt if he hand't gone to China his petrol tank hadn't finished in the 3rd-4th set against Seppi.

Well, letīs see.

Anyone who expected such an outrageous year by Nadal was not realistic. Many people here knew of his huge potential but none of us could forecast he would take ATP by storm so young. Season planning normally takes place at the beginning of the season and of course they couldnīt expect back to back titles in SA (i.e better skip IW and that paid off for sure -> BRILLIANT move), then a final in Miami. They went to Valencia bc it was an Spanish tourney but they assured Nadal didnīt make any extra effort, (not a big deal as you could prove later when claming titles in Montecarlo Roma and Barcelona).

About doubles matches, why not? In such an early age, those matches will help you to improve some aspects of your game, he pulled out from doubles competition when needed so I donīt see any mistakes there (only player in history at winning singles at doubles trophy in Godó, whatīs the bad thing about this? :shrug: )

About China, why not? He claimed another hc title and for sure got good money bc of that. His tank was empty against Seppi bc heīs the player with more matches in the season and had played 9 sets in less than 48 hours, this is not Beijingīs fault.

Sinceresly I donīt have a clue why you say this :o

Deivid23
10-08-2005, 11:19 AM
The result is : 1) He couldn't play two masters series ( IW and Hamburg due to a bad planning . 2) He reaches this end of season without his best form . 3) If he hand't played Acapulco maybe Spain hadn't lost against Slovakia , without no doubt if he hand't gone to China his petrol tank hadn't finished in the 3rd-4th set against Seppi.


1) He didnīt play IW as he won back-to-back titles in SA. At the beginning of the season his ranking was not good enough to enter in the main draw of a AMS so that planning makes perfect sense. The decision proved to be successful (see results later)

2) So what? Players peak at different stages and it makes perfect sense to peak where one is stronger. Nadalīs main weakness is playing at indoors. Smart they.

3) Nadal would have lost to Hrbaty as well and if that wouldnīt have happened, LaLo would have been demolished by Dominator, i.e. Slovakia would have won hands down.

4) answered in previous post.

Now, after writing all this, I say:

How the fuck can anyone criticise his planning? :retard:

Deivid23
10-08-2005, 11:24 AM
4) He should have gone to Wimbly a week before to practice on grass and not on the ridiculous synthetic grass where he practiced in Mallorca . The result : Bad perfomance in Wimbly .
5) After his defeat in Cincy he should have stayed in US preparing US Open on Flushing Meadows courts, but he deciced to return to Europe ( The result :he never got a good adjustment to Flushing meadows courts and balls and played a horrible grand slam.


He simply found two well capable players that were better than him on that day. Nothing to do with planning

Galaxystorm
10-08-2005, 11:25 AM
Look where he is ranked at the end of the year, as to where he started from? Therefore job done successfully, next year the schedule will be done differently.

Like they expected Nadal to be # 2 at the start of 2005.

The only thing i say is that it's very difficult to understand that a player can't play two AMS because previously he has played too many international series ..

For examle, i understand that when he had to pull of IW due to the fatigue it was the first time that this thing happened to him and he hadn't previous experience , then it was understandable..

But what i can't understand is why after reaching Miami final he went to Valencia ( where he had few things to win an a lot of to lose ) . Valencia's unnecessary effort plus Barcelona's unnecessary doubles tournament made that Nadal reached Rome very bad physically . When he played the semifinals against Ferrer his petrol tank was already slow, and the final against Coria ( it was a miracle that not even Rafa and his coach understand how he could beat Coria , because sunday mourning Rafa practiced playing a tiebreak with Muster, Muster won it , and Rafa realized that he was extremely tired and practically he hadn't hopes to win that final ...)

The result was that finally he couldn't play in Hamburg because according to his coach the week of rest between Barcelona and Rome he hadn't had a good physical recovery and this fact made that he arrived to Rome tired and finally he had to pull out of Hamburg.....

This was the second time he had to pull out a AMS due to a bad planning, not the first ..( He should learn of his mistakes ).

I just hope that the next season if he had to pull out of a AMS, it was due to injuries, but not due to a bad planning ( Now he's the second player in the world, and he must to make the typical schedule of a top 5, that is GS+MS+(5-8) International series , and he shouldn't waste his time playing some international series where he can't win more points, for example China, but money is money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ )

curlgirl3
10-08-2005, 11:27 AM
one, two three four five seks seven eight nine ten!!

Deivid23
10-08-2005, 11:34 AM
The only thing i say is that it's very difficult to understand that a player can't play two AMS because previously he has played too many international series ..

The result was that finally he couldn't play in Hamburg because according to his coach the week of rest between Barcelona and Rome he hadn't had a good physical recovery and this fact made that he arrived to Rome tired and finally he had to pull out of Hamburg.....

This was the second time he had to pull out a AMS due to a bad planning, not the first ..( He should learn of his mistakes ).



As you said, pulling out in IW is understandable (for me itīs pretty logical and it was a brilliant decision).

After winning Montecarlo, Barcelona and Rome in an epic final against Coria, do you think not going to Hamburg was due to playing in international series before?. If you have such a tough tourney in Rome and with RG coming up in 2 weeks it would have been a crazyness to play Hamburg. Which was the result? Winning RG at his first attempt. Fucking brilliant scheduling, mate, open your eyes.

Action Jackson
10-08-2005, 11:40 AM
The only thing i say is that it's very difficult to understand that a player can't play two AMS because previously he has played too many international series ..

For examle, i understand that when he had to pull of IW due to the fatigue it was the first time that this thing happened to him and he hadn't previous experience , then it was understandable..

Not at all, when everything is taken into consideration. Well as for the TMS events he pulled out of, both of the decisions made sense at the time. IW is agreed on.

As for Hamburg, well the field in Barcelona is to TMS standard and apart from Srichaphan, LaLo and Carlsen duds in the claycourt game don't usually play there, this being the case playing Barcelona and Rome made sense. Muster did the same thing in 95, he skipped Hamburg when he went on that run and maybe they spoke with Muster about it. He peaked at the one that counted.

Sure it'd be good if he played all TMS events, but IW and Hamburg made sense as to why he didn't play them.

uNIVERSE mAN
10-08-2005, 11:41 AM
Well, letīs see.

Anyone who expected such an outrageous year by Nadal was not realistic. Many people here knew of his huge potential but none of us could forecast he would take ATP by storm so young. Season planning normally takes place at the beginning of the season and of course they couldnīt expect back to back titles in SA (i.e better skip IW and that paid off for sure -> BRILLIANT move), then a final in Miami. They went to Valencia bc it was an Spanish tourney but they assured Nadal didnīt make any extra effort, (not a big deal as you could prove later when claming titles in Montecarlo Roma and Barcelona).

About doubles matches, why not? In such an early age, those matches will help you to improve some aspects of your game, he pulled out from doubles competition when needed so I donīt see any mistakes there (only player in history at winning singles at doubles trophy in Godó, whatīs the bad thing about this? :shrug: )

About China, why not? He claimed another hc title and for sure got good money bc of that. His tank was empty against Seppi bc heīs the player with more matches in the season and had played 9 sets in less than 48 hours, this is not Beijingīs fault.

Sinceresly I donīt have a clue why you say this :o

Outrageous? he wins 10 titles, 3 TMS, A Slam and has no chance for #1 at the end of Sept. This world is crazy heh

Galaxystorm
10-08-2005, 12:24 PM
1) He didnīt play IW as he won back-to-back titles in SA. At the beginning of the season his ranking was not good enough to enter in the main draw of a AMS so that planning makes perfect sense. The decision proved to be successful (see results later)

1) He didn't play IW because he was physically dead , in fact in Slovakia on sunday the captains had thought in Nadal to play one of those two matches when the tie was already decided, but Rafa asked for not playing because he was completely destroyed. ( This fact wasn't posted by mass media, it's a new that i have from a very reliable source )
After winning in Brazil, that is before playing in Acapulco he already knew that he had ranking enough to play european clay AMS , and although he didn't win more points the next weeks his points were enough , then this excuse isn't useful . I know that he decided to play in south american instead of Europe to make sure his participation in european clay AMS, but as i've said after Brazil victory he hadn't the necessity of playing in Mexico.
You say that as the results have been good then the schedule is good . I absolutely disagree, beucause making a rational schedule he would have now more points .
If you know how entry ranking works, you will know that just the 5 best " non-mandatory " events count , on the other hand if you don't go to a AMS you win O points. Not going to Acapulco without doubt he had could go to IW , if he hadn't gone to Valencia and hadn't played Barcelona doubles tournament surely he had could play in Hamburg ...
At the end of season he will have 6 international series titles and only 5 count , on the other hand IW and Hamburg "0 " points.


2) So what? Players peak at different stages and it makes perfect sense to peak where one is stronger. Nadalīs main weakness is playing at indoors. Smart they.:


Although i haven't talked nothing about going to south america instead of staying in Europe playing Rotterdam etc ... I'm very happy that the next season he will play less tournaments on clay because when one player is young the main goal has to be to improve your game and not to climb quickly the rankings and this season 2004 has been very positive for his ranking , but this season practically he hasn't improved his "very fast courts" game due to his schedule mainly on clay..

3) Nadal would have lost to Hrbaty as well and if that wouldnīt have happened, LaLo would have been demolished by Dominator, i.e. Slovakia would have won hands down.:

We will never know what had happened if Nadal had played singles on friday, this is to make futurology, but without no doubt playing Nadal spanish chances had raised because we all know the Feliciano's horrible perfomance..
Although i agree that it had been very difficult to beat Slovakia with or without Nadal .
But playing Acapulco and China before two DC ties and besides on a different surface , these facts dont' show a great commitment with your national team..




How the fuck can anyone criticise his planning? :retard:

You know what ?? . The 90% of fans used to analyze the things only watching the results, nothing else . I'm a person that i like a lot analyzing the things in great detail because i think that this is the best form to improve in your job, your life in your career etc et..

You say that Nadal started the year being approximately the 50th and now he's the second, therfore his schedule has been very good and just a retard could criticized it .
I'm just saying that making a rational schedule he had could play those two AMS and besides he had could keep his 5 best results in international series . And according to my opinion to make a schedule where you have to pull out of two AMS due to the fatigue, IMO this is a retard schedule.

Galaxystorm
10-08-2005, 12:44 PM
After winning Montecarlo, Barcelona and Rome in an epic final against Coria, do you think not going to Hamburg was due to playing in international series before?. If you have such a tough tourney in Rome and with RG coming up in 2 weeks it would have been a crazyness to play Hamburg. Which was the result? Winning RG at his first attempt. Fucking brilliant scheduling, mate, open your eyes.

The fact of not playing in Hamburg was due to a pile of incorrect decisions..

I'm quite sure that if after Miami he had rested a week in Spain preparing MonteCarlo and i'm sure if he hadn't played doubles in Barcelona , he had had a good recovery the week between Barcelona and Rome , then 1) He hadn't played as horribly as he played against Ferrer, against Ferrer played badly due to his physicial condition . If he had arrived to Rome in a good physical condition without no doubt he hadn't been as many hours on court as he had to be in semifinals and final because the two matches had been shorter . 2) He had could play in Hamburg ..I know that no player has been able to win both AMS since both are played in consecutive weeks, i know . I'm not saying that Nadal had won Hamburg, i'm only telling that making a rational schedule he could have been there maybe reaching QF....

Action Jackson
10-08-2005, 12:49 PM
The fact of not playing in Hamburg was due to a pile of incorrect decisions..

What was the point of him playing Hamburg when he won Barcelona and Roma in a row? Barcelona is not a weak tournament.

It worked for the very simple reason, he peaked for the tournament that he needed to at the time, which was RG?

Schedule for 2006 is what counts now.

Action Jackson
10-08-2005, 01:05 PM
If he pulled out of Hamburg wasn't to have more time to prepare Roland Garros, the main reason is that his gasoline tank was ended after Valencia-Barcelona-Rome . Although it's obvious that pulling out of Hamburg was very good for his physical condition in Roland Garros , but a player can perfectly play Hamburg and reach Roland Garros final , Federer won Hamburg and he had reached the final if Nadal had been in the other part of the draw...

It was the right choice for sure and did you miss the Muster point I made when he won RG in 95? Nadal did exactly the same thing as Muster did then. Why play the tournament for the sake of it, his body was refreshed won the tournament.

Can't use Federer as an example for the very simple reason, they didn't play similar schedules. Hamburg is the worst and clearly the worst guide of RG winners, within the last 20 years and yes I have a thread here which proves that.

I hope a more rational schedule , less international series and not pulling out of no AMS except for in case of injury.

Still you don't seem to realise he wasn't number 2 in the world at the start of the year. If he was and went on this schedule, then it would be more of an issue.

Deivid23
10-08-2005, 01:12 PM
1) He didn't play IW because he was physically dead , in fact in Slovakia on sunday the captains had thought in Nadal to play one of those two matches when the tie was already decided, but Rafa asked for not playing because he was completely destroyed. ( This fact wasn't posted by mass media, it's a new that i have from a very reliable source )
After winning in Brazil, that is before playing in Acapulco he already knew that he had ranking enough to play european clay AMS , and although he didn't win more points the next weeks his points were enough , then this excuse isn't useful . I know that he decided to play in south american instead of Europe to make sure his participation in european clay AMS, but as i've said after Brazil victory he hadn't the necessity of playing in Mexico.
You say that as the results have been good then the schedule is good . I absolutely disagree, beucause making a rational schedule he would have now more points .

Of course a bad scheduling leads to not optimum results if not bad ones, but I think theyīve done the best out Nadal this year. It looks like you wanted him after winning in Brazil to go to Davis Cup, IW, Miami, Montecarlo, Rome, Barna and Hamburg and then winning RG? Think about it, sounds unrealistic to say the least. And you are blaming their team heīs burnt out at this stage?
With your plans Iīm sure Nadal wouldnīt have had these results and would be more tired now.

If you know how entry ranking works, you will know that just the 5 best " non-mandatory " events count , on the other hand if you don't go to a AMS you win O points. Not going to Acapulco without doubt he had could go to IW , if he hadn't gone to Valencia and hadn't played Barcelona doubles tournament surely he had could play in Hamburg ...
At the end of season he will have 6 international series titles and only 5 count , on the other hand IW and Hamburg "0 " points.

So you wanted Nadal after winning Montecarlo Barcelona and Rome to go and play Hamburg with Rg being 2 weeks far (1 week far if he reached the finals there)? Sorry but I can only laugh at you being a person who analyze things carefully, sounds a big joke.



Although i haven't talked nothing about going to south america instead of staying in Europe playing Rotterdam etc ... I'm very happy that the next season he will play less tournaments on clay because when one player is young the main goal has to be to improve your game and not to climb quickly the rankings and this season 2004 has been very positive for his ranking , but this season practically he hasn't improved his "very fast courts" game due to his schedule mainly on clay..

Different rankings and achievements imply different scheduling. Nadal has done 11 points over 10 this season, so I wonder which is the next decision you will criticize (probably if Nadal doesnīt get good results in these last tourneys -which is the most likely thing to happen- you will blame it on his planning :rolleyes: )


We will never know what had happened if Nadal had played singles on friday, this is to make futurology, but without no doubt playing Nadal spanish chances had raised because we all know the Feliciano's horrible perfomance..
Although i agree that it had been very difficult to beat Slovakia with or without Nadal .
But playing Acapulco and China before two DC ties and besides on a different surface , these facts dont' show a great commitment with your national team..

LaLo would have played no matter Nadal was ready to play or not, so thatīs an invalid point.

And about Nadal not showing a great commitment with National team, pfff this makes me think you live in another planet. :retard:



You know what ?? . The 90% of fans used to analyze the things only watching the results, nothing else . I'm a person that i like a lot analyzing the things in great detail because i think that this is the best form to improve in your job, your life in your career etc et..

You say that Nadal started the year being approximately the 50th and now he's the second, therfore his schedule has been very good and just a retard could criticized it .
I'm just saying that making a rational schedule he had could play those two AMS and besides he had could keep his 5 best results in international series . And according to my opinion to make a schedule where you have to pull out of two AMS due to the fatigue, IMO this is a retard schedule.


I can only laugh at your "analyzing in great detail", if this is all you can get, either you should try harder or leave this issue as impossible :retard:

Galaxystorm
10-08-2005, 02:50 PM
I can only laugh at your "analyzing in great detail", if this is all you can get, either you should try harder or leave this issue as impossible :retard:

Unluckily my level of english doesn't let me to express
all what i would like....but in a spanish forum i doubt that you know more tennis than me ...

I'm not gonna waste my time with persons like you , an arrogant person who thinks that his comments are intelligent and the comments of other persons are retard ..

Venga, ya te puedes chulear delante de toda la peņa . Por cierto creo que estas enamorado de Nadal, haztelo mirar, porque si lo de ir a Acapulco y China en visperas de la Davis es estar comprometido con tu pais jajajaj, tu si que vives en Marte.

Deivid23
10-08-2005, 02:58 PM
Unluckily my level of english doesn't let me to express
all what i would like....but in a spanish forum i doubt that you know more tennis than me ...

Not my fault and Iīm not talking about knowing more about tennis than you, anyway Iīm not surprised you jumped on such a dumb conclussion after what Iīve read above :o

I'm not gonna waste my time with persons like you , an arrogant person who thinks that his comments are intelligent and the comments of other persons are retard ..

I may be arrogant when needed, so what?. Stupid comments are stupid comments in English or in Spanish, here or there. Learn not to make them.

Venga, ya te puedes chulear delante de toda la peņa . Por cierto creo que estas enamorado de Nadal, haztelo mirar, porque si lo de ir a Acapulco y China en visperas de la Davis es estar comprometido con tu pais jajajaj, tu si que vives en Marte.

Para nada, una vez más te confundes, ni pretendo chulear, y ya he aclarado que no soy fan de ningun jugador tal y como aqui se entiende. Y si realmente crees que Nadal no está comprometido con el equipo de Davis, solo decirte que no tienes ni puta idea, amigo. Salud ;)

Galaxystorm
10-08-2005, 03:04 PM
Not my fault and Iīm not talking about knowing more about tennis than you, anyway Iīm not surprised you jumped on such a dumb conclussion after what Iīve read above :o



I may be arrogant when needed, so what?. Stupid comments are stupid comments in English in Spanish, here and there. Learn not to make them.



Para nada, una vez más te confundes, ni pretendo chulear, y ya he aclarado que no soy fan de ningun jugador tal y como aqui se entiende. Y si realmente crees que Nadal no está compromedito con el equipo de Davis, solo decirte que no tienes ni puta idea, amigo. Salud ;)

Please, forget me .. and learn to be polite and the word " respect ".

PS : Cuando quieras quedamos en un foro espaņol y hablamos de tenis a ver cuanto sabes ..

Deivid23
10-08-2005, 03:12 PM
Please, forget me .. and learn to be polite and the word " respect ".

It will be easy, and thanks for the tips. ;)

PS : Cuando quieras quedamos en un foro espaņol y hablamos de tenis a ver cuanto sabes ..

Nada, te doy el combate por ganado campeón, enhorabuena :wavey:

its.like.that
10-12-2005, 07:13 AM
Beethoven would be rolling around in his grave for sure.

:lol:

Sam L (WTAW)
10-12-2005, 12:38 PM
This is so unprofessional. If this is the future of men's tennis, I don't want a part of this.

ginny_legend
10-12-2005, 12:51 PM
sam L you seriously need help.

Sam L (WTAW)
10-12-2005, 12:57 PM
sam L you seriously need help.
Why? Because I refuse to kiss "Rafa"s ass?

ginny_legend
10-12-2005, 01:01 PM
no, because you always chat so much crap whenever you post

its.like.that
10-12-2005, 01:17 PM
no, because you always chat so much crap whenever you post

you aren't much better

:kiss:

Sjengster
10-12-2005, 01:45 PM
Why? Because I refuse to kiss "Rafa"s ass?

Nope, because you prefer a certain webbed-footed fellow's posterior instead.

sweetiepiedoll
10-14-2005, 08:34 PM
Who cares about Vienna, anyway. I am sure that when the time is right, Rafa will play the event and win it. Rafael's priority is TMS Madrid and he has a good chance to win it because Roger isn't playing in the tournament (he could have won it even if Roger was in the draw).