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French Players & Finesse: What beauty.

prima donna
10-07-2005, 02:03 AM
The French have such a reputation for producing great players, that are able to compete and perform on such a graceful level.

Both Male & Female.

It started with Suzanne Lenglen, my god, ballet & tennis mixed together. Absolutely breathtaking and she was a superb champion. I watch a little footage of her and view photographs, some of the poses are absolutely unbelievable. What a stylish woman, drinking brandy in-between points. Great attire, great game, she beat you with her mind. The closest thing to Suzanne ever produced in the modern era would have to be Martina Hingis.

Then, Amelie Mauresmo. Beautiful game.
Yannick Noah, once again, such charisma and finesse. Serve & Volley.
Now, look, Richard Gasquet. The boy plays absolutely breathtaking tennis, seriously, the french have not produced a great champion in quite some time; but they know how to win in style. I'll tell you that much.

Which means a lot to a superficial guy like me, better to lose pretty than to win ugly. :)

The only french player with a less than desirable game if Sebastian Grosjean, he's a little guy, so hustles a bit more ... but when it comes to attacking and movement, the French are absolute masters. Richard Gasquet's backhand winners are even more beautiful than some shots produced by Fedex.

I guess their play is a reflection of the country. :)

NYCtennisfan
10-07-2005, 03:25 AM
You didn't mention Leconte who also played pretty tennis. Gasquet is indeed beautiful to watch.

rofe
10-07-2005, 03:31 AM
As JMac aptly put it - "It is against the law to play tennis without flair in France". :D

Grinder
10-07-2005, 03:38 AM
Grosjean's game is stylish as well.

It's amazing if you think about:
Clement - good on grass, hard and clay
Grosjean - good on grass, hard and clay
Gasquet - good on grass, hard and clay
Monfils - good on grass, hard and clay
Escude - good on grass, hard and clay
Santoro - equally above average on all surfaces
Llodra - good on grass and hard
Paul Matheiu - good on hard and clay, decent on grass

What's more is that they are all good at doubles as well.

Phunkadelicious
10-07-2005, 03:47 AM
Gasquet's game is more beautiful to watch then Fed's IMHO. That backhand is the most gorgeous shot I've seen. :worship:

rofe
10-07-2005, 03:58 AM
Gasquet's game is more beautiful to watch then Fed's IMHO. That backhand is the most gorgeous shot I've seen. :worship:

Overall no. Backhand - without a doubt.

Phunkadelicious
10-07-2005, 04:09 AM
Overall no. Backhand - without a doubt.
I think Fed has a much more fluid and gorgeous service motion, but other than that...we can agree to disagree

Federerhingis
10-07-2005, 04:55 AM
The French have such a reputation for producing great players, that are able to compete and perform on such a graceful level.

Both Male & Female.

It started with Suzanne Lenglen, my god, ballet & tennis mixed together. Absolutely breathtaking and she was a superb champion. I watch a little footage of her and view photographs, some of the poses are absolutely unbelievable. What a stylish woman, drinking brandy in-between points. Great attire, great game, she beat you with her mind. The closest thing to Suzanne ever produced in the modern era would have to be Martina Hingis.

Then, Amelie Mauresmo. Beautiful game.
Yannick Noah, once again, such charisma and finesse. Serve & Volley.
Now, look, Richard Gasquet. The boy plays absolutely breathtaking tennis, seriously, the french have not produced a great champion in quite some time; but they know how to win in style. I'll tell you that much.

Which means a lot to a superficial guy like me, better to lose pretty than to win ugly. :)

The only french player with a less than desirable game if Sebastian Grosjean, he's a little guy, so hustles a bit more ... but when it comes to attacking and movement, the French are absolute masters. Richard Gasquet's backhand winners are even more beautiful than some shots produced by Fedex.

I guess their play is a reflection of the country. :)

Well Goolagong also had a gorgeous game, so balanced on her movement and Mandlikova to a certain extent her net game was quite exquisite. Nevertheless Hingis hands are just so gifted :worship:

oneandonlyhsn
10-07-2005, 05:33 AM
Gasquet's game is more beautiful to watch then Fed's IMHO. That backhand is the most gorgeous shot I've seen. :worship:

I love Gasquet and his BH is exquisite but nobody comes close to Guga's BH that was a gift from God himself :worship:

Lee
10-07-2005, 05:37 AM
I love Gasquet and his BH is exquisite but nobody comes close to Guga's BH that was a gift from God himself :worship:

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to oneandonlyhsn again.

Phunkadelicious
10-07-2005, 05:43 AM
I love Gasquet and his BH is exquisite but nobody comes close to Guga's BH that was a gift from God himself :worship:
i dunno... thats a close one, but i have to give a slight edge to gasquet's...

oneandonlyhsn
10-07-2005, 05:46 AM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to oneandonlyhsn again.

:hug: :inlove:

Federerhingis
10-07-2005, 06:21 AM
I love Gasquet and his BH is exquisite but nobody comes close to Guga's BH that was a gift from God himself :worship:

No doubt that backhand is what won him those Roland Garros titles, and what got him to number 1, well of course the whole package but its what either set him up for a winner or most of the time was a clean winner. Thats what you call a backhand, mmm just divine. :worship:

Puschkin
10-07-2005, 06:23 AM
I guess their play is a reflection of the country. :)

From your smilie, I conclude that you are not serious about this, are you? While I totally agree with your justified praise of many French players, Gasquet in particular, I don't think that this has anything to do with their nationality. Stylish players come from all parts of the world: Guga's BH has been mentioned and Stefan Edberg's BH volley still has to be topped, I feel.

TheMightyFed
10-07-2005, 06:45 AM
From your smilie, I conclude that you are not serious about this, are you? While I totally agree with your justified praise of many French players, Gasquet in particular, I don't think that this has anything to do with their nationality. Stylish players come from all parts of the world: Guga's BH has been mentioned and Stefan Edberg's BH volley still has to be topped, I feel.
True... and despite their talent and pretty game, unfortunately French players have been pretty weak in the mental department, except Noah maybe... let's hope Gasquet is made in a different material...

FrogBurger
10-07-2005, 09:23 AM
Of course, zis is most certainly reflections of my home country, the land of wine and snails, froglegs and womens with hairy armpits. Finesse come naturally to us, because we reject all capitalism and revolt against tyranny, and choosing more a finesse lifestyle and attitude towards sport.

rommel99
10-07-2005, 02:39 PM
here in the philippines everyone plays with finesse and with sooooo much beauty.. too bad no one is in the top 1000!!!

prima donna
10-07-2005, 03:13 PM
From your smilie, I conclude that you are not serious about this, are you? While I totally agree with your justified praise of many French players, Gasquet in particular, I don't think that this has anything to do with their nationality. Stylish players come from all parts of the world: Guga's BH has been mentioned and Stefan Edberg's BH volley still has to be topped, I feel.
The French by far have had the most stylish players, I'm being completely serious. :)

R.Federer
10-07-2005, 03:49 PM
Yes players talk about this frequently . I recall Marat saying during this season (he was about to play some French person) that he knew what to expect because the player was French, would play very beautiful tennis.

I like to watch some graceful tennis. But ultimately, whatever wins the match is what they should have, not the most beauty all the time, sometimes they need brute power and ugly winning shots

Dokicfan
10-07-2005, 04:20 PM
Can anyone tell me what is beautiful tennis concretely? Personally I think Dokic plays (used to) great entertaining tennis that was impressive to watch. So thats what I would call beautiful tennis but ppl seem to think players who use many different shots and who dont hit that hard do? Why? why does that make it beautiful tennis? And also what the hell is a beautiful shot? For me everyshot that goes in with power is a beautiful shot.

prima donna
10-07-2005, 04:36 PM
So thats what I would call beautiful tennis but ppl seem to think players who use many different shots and who dont hit that hard do? Why? why does that make it beautiful tennis? And also what the hell is a beautiful shot? For me everyshot that goes in with power is a beautiful shot.
Deceptiveness.
That's the beauty of a delicate shot.

It requires precise timing and absolute placement.

A power shot can go anywhere in the court, you could hit right back to your opponent and outpower them. Not only does it require imagination to place a shot delicately, but it requires brainwork. Everyone has had this discussion at one time or another, finesse players vs power players, who is smarter ... I think we all need to look at the World #1 and realize Roger hardly ever hits a serve over 125mph. His placement is so impeccable.

Marine
10-07-2005, 04:41 PM
I thought this thread was ironical...I'm quite surprised.
Well, finesse, flair...I've always thought it's just a cliché. :confused:

MisterQ
10-07-2005, 05:31 PM
The french have produced a lot of players who have unique styles. Another one is Françoise Durr. And Santoro of course is one-of-a-kind. I like that about the French players in general.

As for the beauty argument, however, I'm not sure I agree. Finesse is only one manifestation of beauty in the game. :)

Sjengster
10-07-2005, 08:50 PM
Grosjean's game is stylish as well.

It's amazing if you think about:
Clement - good on grass, hard and clay
Grosjean - good on grass, hard and clay
Gasquet - good on grass, hard and clay
Monfils - good on grass, hard and clay
Escude - good on grass, hard and clay
Santoro - equally above average on all surfaces
Llodra - good on grass and hard
Paul Matheiu - good on hard and clay, decent on grass

What's more is that they are all good at doubles as well.

You make a good point about surface variety among the French players, but you're really, REALLY stretching it by enthusing about Clement and Escude's claycourt prowess. ;)

Sjengster
10-07-2005, 08:52 PM
Can anyone tell me what is beautiful tennis concretely? Personally I think Dokic plays (used to) great entertaining tennis that was impressive to watch. So thats what I would call beautiful tennis but ppl seem to think players who use many different shots and who dont hit that hard do? Why? why does that make it beautiful tennis? And also what the hell is a beautiful shot? For me everyshot that goes in with power is a beautiful shot.

I like to think that my tastes encompass a number of different players whom I could class as playing beautiful tennis, but one thing's for sure: I have never, ever put Dokic in that bracket, and never will do. :p

cecilija
10-07-2005, 09:00 PM
ummmmmmm clement is average on clay
monfils is not good on both grass and clay
escude not good on clay by far!
santoro not good on grass
matheiu is bad on grass

Grosjean's game is stylish as well.

It's amazing if you think about:
Clement - good on grass, hard and clay
Grosjean - good on grass, hard and clay
Gasquet - good on grass, hard and clay
Monfils - good on grass, hard and clay
Escude - good on grass, hard and clay
Santoro - equally above average on all surfaces
Llodra - good on grass and hard
Paul Matheiu - good on hard and clay, decent on grass

What's more is that they are all good at doubles as well.

Sjengster
10-07-2005, 09:09 PM
Monfils is good enough on clay to have won his first career title on the surface, and he reached the third round at Wimbledon, admittedly without a big grass-court scalp. Santoro should have done more on grass with his slice and net game, to be honest.

Eclectic Goddess
10-07-2005, 10:39 PM
It must be the wine.

delsa
10-08-2005, 11:00 AM
:rolleyes: I think it hasn't anything to do with nationality but with development and how they develop their players. So then the public followed and asked for what you call "finesse" in all of them. But they're changing now. :rolleyes: They're teaching differently because they'd like to have some winners. Even if it requires to win "ugly"...They're falling in that trap.
The way they teached tennis they didn't want you "to learn the techinique to do a shot perfectly, they wanted you to find your own game and then develop it perfectly" or something like that. Something like that could be read and heard at the time if i remember correctly. :rolleyes:
But today, they're changing this and making them all play the same...What a pity! :sad:
But they keep the will to make them very versatile. And sorry cecilija but most of them are. That's the only thing they truely have left going for them so please don't rob them of that. (:o ) There are no surface where they're truely definitely unconfortable and can't develop their own tennis. Let's put it that way.

chicky841
10-09-2005, 03:53 AM
arnaud isnt that great on clay. to quote him: clay makes me sick

howardean
10-09-2005, 04:07 AM
would you attribute jhh's backhand to the fact that she speaks french?

Scotso
10-09-2005, 04:19 AM
They have some really BEAUTIFUL players, too.

Mary Pierce
Virginie Razzano
Nathalie Dechy
Camille Pin
Severine Bremond (Beltrame)
Aravane Rezai
Paul-Henri Mathieu
Richard Gasquet
Gilles Simon
Jean-Christophe Faurel
Sebastien De Chaunac
Nicolas Renavand
Jeremy Chardy
Olivier Patience

and I'm sure I'm forgetting a billion more! :drool:

howardean
10-09-2005, 04:36 AM
golovin? bartoli? i think richard is worth mentioning again :drool:

not sure about razzano though...

Scotso
10-09-2005, 04:38 AM
omg Golovin! :drool:

I forgot. And Razzano is pretty so deal with it.

Marion... eh.

howardean
10-09-2005, 04:41 AM
ok, point taken

it must be the glasses...

thrust
10-09-2005, 11:51 AM
It is great to have a beautiful game, but winning is what makes a player great. Federer, Sampras, Goolagong, Bueno, Kuerten, Edberg were consistant winners. The French players do well but win few tournaments, especially the men. I am glad though that they were able to win a few Davis Cups lately.

Phunkadelicious
10-09-2005, 11:58 AM
It is great to have a beautiful game, but winning is what makes a player great. Federer, Sampras, Goolagong, Bueno, Kuerten, Edberg were consistant winners. The French players do well but win few tournaments, especially the men. I am glad though that they were able to win a few Davis Cups lately.

Seems to me like a lot of the French players, men and women, have a lot of mental lapses and chokes on the court. I wonder if this doesn't have something to do with the French tennis system, how they bring up their younger prospects, etc.

Scotso
10-09-2005, 02:18 PM
Seems to me like a lot of the French players, men and women, have a lot of mental lapses and chokes on the court. I wonder if this doesn't have something to do with the French tennis system, how they bring up their younger prospects, etc.

No, I don't think so. I just think it might have to do with being French in general :shrug: The French put a lot of pressure on their athletes.

Phunkadelicious
10-09-2005, 02:51 PM
No, I don't think so. I just think it might have to do with being French in general :shrug: The French put a lot of pressure on their athletes.

perhaps you are right. they have got to do something about it though, because they produce some incredible players there who are rarely able to fulfill their potential