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Will Federer break the win-loss ratio record by McEnroe in 1984?

TennisGrandSlam
10-06-2005, 12:36 PM
Federer (2005) : 77-3, 96.25%, running
http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity/default.asp?year=2005&query=Singles&player=F324&x=15&y=5

11 ATP Singles Titles [11 Finals] (running)

Doha,
Rotterdam,
Dubai,
TMS Indian Wells,
TMS Miami,
TMS Hamburg,
Halle,
Wimbledon,
TMS Cincinnati,
US Open,
Bangkok



McEnroe (1984) : 82-3, 96.47%
http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity/default.asp?year=1984&query=Singles&player=M047&x=15&y=3

14 ATP Singles Titles (Including World Team Cup in Clay) [15 Finals], also Davis Cup Runner-up, so totally 16 Finals

Philadelphia,
Richmond WCT,
Madrid,
Brussels,
Dallas WCT,
Forest Hills WCT,
World Team Cup,
Queens,
Wimbledon,
Toronto,
US Open,
San Francisco,
Stockholm,
Masters





GRASS
CLAY
OUTDOOR HARD/CARPET
INDOOR HARD/CARPET

jtipson
10-06-2005, 02:51 PM
He would have to win six or more matches to the end of the season, and not lose any. That's tough to achieve, if he plays as scheduled.

landoud
10-06-2005, 04:39 PM
i guess he will.... i hope he will actually

SUKTUEN
10-07-2005, 07:07 AM
I hope he will

TenHound
10-07-2005, 07:01 PM
If he wants to & picks his events to do so rather than just showing up 'cuz it's on schedule, no matter how tired he is, as he did w/MC. If he really plays Madrid, Paris, Basel & China, that's a ridiculous wipe out schedule & anything could happen.

SUKTUEN
10-09-2005, 10:53 AM
it will be too tired for him

jtipson
10-12-2005, 09:03 PM
Nope, he can't now. Best he can do is match it, if he wins the TMC undefeated. If he's fit for it.

Doris Loeffel
10-12-2005, 09:05 PM
Too bad - but main thing now is that Roger gets a 100% fit again!!

SUKTUEN
10-13-2005, 02:15 AM
yes

nobama
10-13-2005, 02:37 AM
Do we know for sure he's going to pull out of Paris too?

SUKTUEN
10-13-2005, 07:04 AM
Do we know for sure he's going to pull out of Paris too?

He said he are not sure, he need to see how recover of his leg after two weeks~

yanchr
10-13-2005, 07:51 AM
Ok, maybe he really can tie with the record this year ...but :sad::bigcry:

I don't care a shit about the records. Roger, pls recover soon.

SUKTUEN
10-13-2005, 08:54 AM
Ok, maybe he really can tie with the record this year ...but :sad::bigcry:
I don't care a shit about the records. Roger, pls recover soon.

Yes,~!!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

Roger You are the Best~!!!!!!!!! :hug: :hug: :hug:

bokehlicious
10-13-2005, 09:13 AM
Nope, he can't now. Best he can do is match it, if he wins the TMC undefeated. If he's fit for it.

First wait for Paris... If he's fit enough to play he can break McE's record !!

But that kind of record doesn't matter, what we want is that he recovers ASAP !!

SUKTUEN
10-13-2005, 09:24 AM
YES!~!!!!!!

GO Roger~!!!!!

the_natural
10-16-2005, 08:53 AM
He will break it. If he ties it this year he will break it next year

SUKTUEN
10-16-2005, 12:01 PM
IF he win RG~He will break many record again~!

the_natural
10-17-2005, 09:28 AM
When he wins Rolland Garros next year he will win the grandslam of tennis (all 4 majors in one year) because he will win the Aussie open with ease, its too obvious... He will probably enter 2006 with his best tennis

SUKTUEN
10-17-2005, 04:35 PM
you want Roger win AUS , Wimby and Rg ?

RonE
10-19-2005, 01:27 PM
He won't break it this year. McEnroe was 84-3 wasn't he? Rogi is currently 77-3. I don't see him playing before Shanghai so at best he can end the year with a record of 82-3 just one short of McEnroe's :crying:

Puschkin
10-19-2005, 01:36 PM
I don't see him playing before Shanghai so at best he can end the year with a record of 82-3 just one short of McEnroe's :crying:

If this happens, I won't be :sad:, but :) and :worship: .

SUKTUEN
10-19-2005, 01:41 PM
I am worry

the_natural
10-21-2005, 01:11 PM
Roger will win all four grandslam tournaments next year, and it probably wont be that interesting because he will demolish his opponents lol, they are quite pathetic when they verse him they are like little girls except for Nadal and Safin and Agassi, Hewitt wets himself and instead of calling "Come On" he has to call out "MOMMYY" boo hoo. Roger will dismantle him again and again

jtipson
10-21-2005, 01:29 PM
He won't break it this year. McEnroe was 84-3 wasn't he? Rogi is currently 77-3. I don't see him playing before Shanghai so at best he can end the year with a record of 82-3 just one short of McEnroe's :crying:

No, McEnroe's was 82-3, so the best he can do is match it.

I spent Davis Cup weekend hoping that the Swiss would lead 3-0 after the doubles so that Roger wouldn't have to play Murray in the reverse singles. Now I wish he had.

As a statsfreak this is disappointing for the records, but to be honest I don't really care now, only that Roger gets better soon and the ligament doesn't trouble him in the future. If he plays as he can I'm sure he'll have other chances to break/make records anyway.

SUKTUEN
10-22-2005, 04:14 PM
Roger if always health he can do it!!

TenHound
11-03-2005, 02:46 AM
Sorry to disagree w/you "the_natural", but The Grand Slam was Roger's for the taking this year, until his goddamn feet got in the way, not helped at all by PL coaching Safin. Next yr. it will be much tougher, and we'll have to see how his feet are. He was soo close this yr. I hope he's learned from Paris & watching other players to stand up more to umpires. He should have just walked off the court when the umpire in Paris tried to make him play when he told him he could no longer see. I think he didn't think he was playing that well anyway & he'd already lost Aus. to PL enhanced Safin.

NYCtennisfan
11-03-2005, 03:56 AM
77-3 OR 80-4 OR even 79-5 in today's game is greater than JMAC's year. It won't show up statistically but it is a greater year.

As for pure dominance, it will be hard to be as dominant as McEnroe was in '84. McEnroe lost 21 sets all that year. In 85 matches, he lost 21 sets out of 218 played. He won 5 tournaments without losing a set, he had streaks 35, 29, and 25 of sets played without losing a set, and went through Wimbledon and the USO dropping only 3 sets total to two players.

Oriental_Rain
11-03-2005, 04:14 AM
I hope he could but there still works to be done

SUKTUEN
11-03-2005, 06:09 AM
Roger most big trouble is Nadal in Shanghai now~~

the_natural
11-06-2005, 03:05 AM
Come on tenhound, Federer is gonna win the Grandslam of tennis! Hes the next man to do it and the only one with a slight chance after him is Nadal because he dominates clay and can win on Hard courts, and since hes 19 he still has time to adjust to grass. Federer will win it next year, or the year after that.

Even if it doesnt happen he will definatley win the Career grandslam like Andre Agassi, he will definatley win the French open and most likely more than once, he just barely lost to Nadal and Safin (who are actually up to his level) in the Semis of the Grandslams, next year they wont pose a threat, Safin hates himself too much, Nadal nearly got destroyed by Ljubicic but the crowd got behind him and saved him, Federer will adjust and beat Nadal on Clay probably at RG (even though id love to see Rafa Win win win).

TenHound
11-06-2005, 05:48 AM
NYC-, would you explain how 77-3 is greater than 82-3? I must be missing something. Though it's moot til we see how his feet & rust affect things @Year Ends. (On the upside, all the top guys are not in top shape physically. But then I'm not sure there isn't some politics involved - ie. talking up the routine pains of the game by way of lobbying for a shorter season.)

Natural, it would be great if he did. I'm only saying that as things look now, this would have been the easiest year to do it (w/respect to the competition) - had his damn feet not gotten in his way. Roger will certainly know more about playing RN, but RN will improve as well. He's not even 20 yet! Like Roger, that kid is a champion, however distasteful I find his tennis.

Does anyone know the records for Years Ends? I thght. winning 3 in a row was a record, til I discovered Lendl did that. So, I think if he won this year, again going undefeated, he'd be the first to do that. (I'm not counting chickens here...)

SUKTUEN
11-06-2005, 10:16 AM
If he will this 5 matches in Shanghai~~
How many matches he won this year?

NYCtennisfan
11-06-2005, 08:22 PM
NYC-, would you explain how 77-3 is greater than 82-3? I must be missing something. Though it's moot til we see how his feet & rust affect things @Year Ends. (On the upside, all the top guys are not in top shape physically. But then I'm not sure there isn't some politics involved - ie. talking up the routine pains of the game by way of lobbying for a shorter season.)

Simple. In today's game, 77-3 is greater than 82-3 of 1984 because of the depth of the game. Look at Berdych who has stayed around #35 all year. He has enormous talent but can't put together things mentally. This used to happen in 1984 too but not to the same degree. There were not many players in 1984 who could really even stay on the court with McENroe physically. Compare that to now. There are tons of payers who can beat Federer and match up physically but haven't been able to beat him. The depth of the game today is much, much grater and going 77-3 now is much more difficult than it was before.

If you look at all the gaudy records excluding Federer's this and last year, they all occur in the 70's and 80's. The MAC's, the Connor's, the Borg's, the Lendl's...all the crazy win years are not to be found about the mid 80's until one gets to Fed. There is a reason. The depth of the game has gotten much greater therefore making dominating harder.

SUKTUEN
11-07-2005, 03:35 PM
77 ADD 5~~~ IS 82 matches

NYCtennisfan
11-13-2005, 07:16 AM
78-3 now. Keep it coming Fedster.

wimbledonfan
11-13-2005, 10:23 PM
You cannot compare different generations . The only thing you can compare is their respective dominance to the mens field during that particular year . For instance , when Babe Ruth hit 60 home runs , no one was even close to half that amount .In the modern world of baseball it means almost nothing if a player hits 73 home runs and a couple other players hit over 60 .

NYCtennisfan
11-13-2005, 10:58 PM
You cannot compare different generations . The only thing you can compare is their respective dominance to the mens field during that particular year . For instance , when Babe Ruth hit 60 home runs , no one was even close to half that amount .In the modern world of baseball it means almost nothing if a player hits 73 home runs and a couple other players hit over 60 .

Yes, it is futile to do so, but someone who has seen the game evolve cannot help but notice the changes in depth and competition. :)

TenHound
11-14-2005, 03:33 AM
Thanks for the clarification.

Drink a Fine bottle of Wine to Roger's 78-3 record tonight, or tomorrow night. From Roger's comments after his match, he wouldn't be a dime on beating Ljub, and watching him now I can see why. Seems he's playing at far closer to 100% capacity than Roger. He's been playing so much lately - has most Indoor wins on tour - so he has his consistency...for starters. Too bad Roger can't play Coria before Ljub :)

the_natural
11-14-2005, 10:54 AM
Yeh but Ljubicic is also slightly fatigued, hes played way more, All Federer has to do is hit him off the court, easier said than done i admit but still, its not impossible

NYCtennisfan
11-15-2005, 04:46 PM
80-3 now...incredible. There are simply no words to describe this man.

mishar
11-15-2005, 05:34 PM
Isn't it still 79-3 until he beats Coria?

In sets, Rogelio is 189-27 this year, if I counted correctly. 6 more sets lost than Mac!

Too bad he didn't play Murray in reverse singles... but otoh it gives him something to shoot for in 2006!

TheMightyFed
11-16-2005, 02:47 PM
Isn't it still 79-3 until he beats Coria?

In sets, Rogelio is 189-27 this year, if I counted correctly. 6 more sets lost than Mac!

Too bad he didn't play Murray in reverse singles... but otoh it gives him something to shoot for in 2006!
Yeah I think he's still 79-3, for the number of sets I think you push it a little too much. As was said before, Masters Series make the current schedule much more tougher in terms of competition, so the 6 more sets don't really count...
Just for information, Steffi Graf lost an average 6.4 matches per year during her 18 years career... pretty incredible...

pesto
11-16-2005, 07:31 PM
If he's an undefeated winner at TMC, he will also have a 36 match winning streak, passing Muster's 1995 35 match streak, and Borg's 1978 35 match streak, to record the 4th longest winning streak in history.

He'll only have another 2 to go to equal Borg's 1979-1980 38 match steak.

R.Federer
11-16-2005, 07:57 PM
I sure hope so.

It would hurt me very badly if he came within one match and GOD FORBID it did not work then. But I really do have faith in Roge, and I think that there is some "Divine" meaning in the fact that he will have EXACTLY 85 matches this year, and has had EXACTLY 3 losses so far, which EXACTLY equal Mcenroe's record! :)

NYCtennisfan
11-16-2005, 10:01 PM
Isn't it still 79-3 until he beats Coria?

In sets, Rogelio is 189-27 this year, if I counted correctly. 6 more sets lost than Mac!

Too bad he didn't play Murray in reverse singles... but otoh it gives him something to shoot for in 2006!

Yep, only 79-3 still. I think I was subliminally counting the match agianst Croia against a win but he could be dangerous.

36 in a row and a chance to get to 40+ next year at Doha if he keeps winning. In this day and age of depth and all the top players facing each other, that would be incredible.

SUKTUEN
11-17-2005, 06:22 AM
He Can~!

NYCtennisfan
11-17-2005, 05:27 PM
Now he's 80-3 and he's got a good chance at tying the record and keeping the winning streak going.

TenHound
11-18-2005, 02:35 AM
If he does, he will have only lost 3 matches not this yr, but since Athens Olympics. Wonder if Sjengster, or someone else so inclined would compare JMac's record back over equal span??? :) :)

NYCtennisfan
11-18-2005, 03:50 AM
If he does, he will have only lost 3 matches not this yr, but since Athens Olympics. Wonder if Sjengster, or someone else so inclined would compare JMac's record back over equal span???

Tenhound, take look at my best records over a 100 match span and you will have your answer. :)

In any case, JMAC was 23-1 in his last 24 matches before the 1984 season and was 20-0 in his first 20 matches in 1985. That comes out to a staggering 125-4 over 129 matches. Federer is 114-5 over his last 119 matches.

TenHound
11-18-2005, 06:42 AM
Love to, NYCt-. But could you leave directions on how to get there?

But Never forget when looking at those numbers that you posted here, that JMac said during one of Roger's matches - his '04 NYC final, i think - that "Roger plays the way I only dreamed of playing".

nobama
11-18-2005, 07:07 AM
Ok, I know we're doing a lot of comparisons to JMac, but what about Lendl and Sampras? Did either one of them put up stats like Roger has the past two years? Did either one of them have a year where they won 80 or more matches? Or had that record in finals (what is it now 24-0)?

jtipson
11-18-2005, 09:52 AM
Ok, I know we're doing a lot of comparisons to JMac, but what about Lendl and Sampras? Did either one of them put up stats like Roger has the past two years? Did either one of them have a year where they won 80 or more matches? Or had that record in finals (what is it now 24-0)?

Lendl certainly had multiple years with similar stats, but forget about Sampras for these kinds of domination records - he probably never had a year where he didn't lose less than 10 matches.

Sjengster I think put up some numbers in the Statistics forum about yearly win-loss records, but there may be some missing (sometimes it's not always the best player in the year that has the best stats).

The finals record is something "new" in that nobody really thought about it until Roger went on this long streak. Both Borg and McEnroe had 12 (although I counted more for Borg I think in the ITF database).

jtipson
11-18-2005, 09:55 AM
Tenhound, take look at my best records over a 100 match span and you will have your answer. :)

In any case, JMAC was 23-1 in his last 24 matches before the 1984 season and was 20-0 in his first 20 matches in 1985. That comes out to a staggering 125-4 over 129 matches. Federer is 114-5 over his last 119 matches.

Roger is 125-5 over his last 130 matches (starting with Halle 2004).

pesto
11-18-2005, 09:56 AM
Mirkaland, Sjengster's thread on the statistics thread ( Top 10 match wins/winning percentage in one year) lists a number of players with more than 80 wins in a season - Lendl did it several times. What is outstanding about Mcenroe's record is how few matches he lost.

R.Federer
11-19-2005, 01:21 PM
One more to go Sweet Roge!!!!

And today:
Federer's 35th consecutive win took 49 minutes Saturday. His streak is equal fifth in the Open era, level with the marks set by Bjorn Borg in 1978 and Thomas Muster in 1995.

nobama
11-19-2005, 02:12 PM
Roger is 125-5 over his last 130 matches (starting with Halle 2004).Ok this stat is just... :eek:

NYCtennisfan
11-19-2005, 03:57 PM
If you combine these stats of Roger, you really get a good idea of unprecedented domination:

-5 slams in 2 years
-22 or 23 titles in 2 years
-29 or 30 titles in 3 years
-only player other than Nastase and Connors to win 10+ titles in back-to-back years and there were two tours at that time.
-a 81-4 or 82-3 year
-a 97-3 stretch over a 100 match stretch.
-36 in a row on grass.
-40 in a row on outdoor/indoor hardcourts
-24 or 25 finals won in a row
-24 won in a row over top 10 opponents and a staggering overall record agains the top 10 in the last two years.
-14 in a row at the TMC against the best (or close to the best) in the world.

nobama
12-05-2005, 12:57 AM
Interesting....out of the top 50 Roger's #6 in terms of least amount of tournaments played, yet is #1 by a mile in terms of match wins, W/L ratio and prize money. Even coming runner-up in TMC netted him over $800,000 USD which is more than a lot of guys earned the entire year! How amazing is that!?!

2005 YEAR ENDING (prize money includes doubles)

Player # Played # Won W/L % Prize Money
Federer 15 11 0.953 6,110,468
Nadal 21 11 0.888 3,874,751
Roddick 19 5 0.808 1,798,635
Hewitt 10 1 0.804 1,459,437
Davydenko 31 1 0.651 1,628,299
Nalbandian 21 2 0.698 2,273,486
Agassi 13 1 0.760 1,629,596
Coria 28 1 0.671 1,285,726
Ljubicic 26 2 0.704 1,491,474
Gaudio 26 5 0.724 1,358,024
Gonzalez 26 3 0.681 1,167,015
Puerta 27 1 0.587 1,075,903
Safin 12 1 0.711 1,288,115
Johansson 26 1 0.658 1,076,266
Ferrer 29 0 0.597 951,772
Ginepri 24 1 0.617 812,626
Gasquet 12 1 0.738 653,373
Ferrero 27 0 0.630 727,673
Hrbaty 26 0 0.623 831,766
Robredo 24 0 0.647 811,883
Stepanek 26 0 0.634 798,710
Ancic 28 1 0.620 702,670
Kiefer 23 0 0.596 732,898
Blake 23 2 0.625 617,989
Berdych 30 1 0.540 914,846
Grosjean 23 0 0.566 622,809
Andreev 33 3 0.559 678,645
Rochus, O. 27 0 0.578 603,668
Nieminen 22 0 0.600 482,818
Dent 21 0 0.611 499,240
Monfils 23 1 0.532 473,892
Moya 21 1 0.608 449,483
Verdasco 28 0 0.556 568,607
Lopez 28 0 0.525 630,354
Mirnyi 25 0 0.583 1,140,131
Hanescu 25 0 0.510 448,198
Henman 18 0 0.561 434,472
Rusedski 22 1 0.580 457,519
Volandri 28 0 0.500 460,942
Chela 26 0 0.519 460,832
Acasuso 26 0 0.509 486,692
Rochus, C. 28 0 0.391 419,327
Srichaphan 31 0 0.523 484,139
Youzhny 23 0 0.500 527,096
Sanguinetti 25 0 0.500 402,389
Haas 24 0 0.579 495,823
Mathieu 29 0 0.491 438,455
Malisse 21 1 0.524 412,732
Novak 26 0 0.447 477,360
Serra 11 1 0.500 250,204

SUKTUEN
12-05-2005, 02:46 PM
Good Luck for Roger to back this record in 2006~!