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What if puerta makes the masterscup in shanghai!!!!!

emile32
10-06-2005, 10:35 AM
Lets say that the story from l'equipe is right. That is very unfair for a player who misses the mastercup by one place for example Davidenko who is a good player, but it could be possible he never gets the chance again. I think the ATP/ITF should do a dopinghearing within two months and not 5/6 months like they do now. It is unfair to the tennisplayers who could miss out on the mastercup or lose against a cheater in a other event such as a grandslam,masterseries ect.

Jelena
10-06-2005, 10:44 AM
He won't do it to the Masters at all. In that moment when he's banned, he will lose every single point he won on the ranking lists including the RG points and he will be forced to pay back every single penny he earned on money. So the chapter "Puerta and the Masters Cup" is closed before it was ever opened. Similar thing happened to Cañas in July. When the judgement was valid, in the next week, the points he won since Acapulco were taken away from his ranking...

*Ljubica*
10-06-2005, 10:44 AM
And let's say it is wrong - he would deserve his place - especially if he gets there under all this pressure. Innocent until proven guilty I say.

emile32
10-06-2005, 10:49 AM
I heard the ruling is in December so if he has enough points he can go to masters in shanghai.

DhammaTiger
10-06-2005, 11:00 AM
I agree with Rosie, "innocent until proven guilty". Why is everyone so ready to condemn Puerta even before any official tatement? how dare you assume guilt even before charges are laid by the ITF? It would be funny if it wasn't tragic, the attitude of some people on this forum. Frankly, it's disgusting to condemn someone beforeeven any charges have been laid officially.

Jimnik
10-06-2005, 11:08 AM
"innocent until proven guilty"
Usually I would agree but in the case of a player, who has already been banned for drugs earlier in his career, it is harder to presume innocence.

Carlita
10-06-2005, 11:12 AM
And let's say it is wrong - he would deserve his place - especially if he gets there under all this pressure. Innocent until proven guilty I say.:yeah: amen

Carlita
10-06-2005, 11:13 AM
"innocent until proven guilty"
Usually I would agree but in the case of a player, who has already been banned for drugs earlier in his career, it is harder to presume innocence.although Im no fan of Puerta...I'd like to believe he's not stupid! Like he said in some articles, he's careful what he eats/drinks....so I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt....

yomike
10-06-2005, 01:49 PM
Doping is serious stuff and so is Puerta on keeping his career. Condemning him like his already guilty is :(

buzzy
10-06-2005, 02:58 PM
I heard the ruling is in December so if he has enough points he can go to masters in shanghai.

Is this December ruling a definite thing? I find it hard to believe that the ATP would be so stupid to allow someone under active investigation for doping to play this elite event( thereby excluding someone else who may actually deserve the spot) simply because they are too lazy to get their act in gear and hold the hearing in a timely fashion. And before people start yelling...I'm not saying they should summarily exclude Puerta. He is innocent till proven guilty. I'm saying the ATP should get a move on and settle the issue NOW not December!

Experimentee
10-06-2005, 04:21 PM
He is innocent until a positve test is confirmed. After that there is a presumption of guilt, and he must have a good excuse for why the drugs were in his system. For any player, a positive test means guilty until they can prove otherwise, but especially for Puerta since its his 2nd offence.

R.Federer
10-06-2005, 04:31 PM
He should play everything he is plan to play until ITF makes a statement. This could just be some error of big proportions that a journalist get confused between mariano puerta and mariano hood and all argentine players. etc.

In any case, if the positive result is confirmed he will have to give back money and points. And if it isn't, then why should he give up everything now because there perhaps,might be, some possibility, that there is a positive?

This is exactly why the lab should not permit any leaks and why news like this should first be heard from ITF and not media

Angle Queen
10-06-2005, 04:41 PM
Innocent until proven guilty I say.Agreed. But where's the speedy and public trial? The ITF shouldn't be dragging its feet here.

prima donna
10-06-2005, 04:41 PM
Puerta is a cheater, plain and simple. He's been caught once and he allowed it to happen again. Sure, he's not dumb and even if he were, there are people around him willing to accept the responsibility of applying conventional and rational thought to each scenario.

They simply did not expect to be tested during the time they were, juicers work in cycles and obviously Puerta was not the cool customer he believed that he was.

Advice: Next time, juice and take some time off. Do it like a professional, I won't say any names, but try skipping a GS or 2 then show up fresh.

Today's sport is more difficult than ever, I can guarantee you the likes of Laver & Borg didn't have to go up against this BS. Thank God Nadal won Roland Garros, the last thing we need is a fraud like Puerta hoisting anything other than positive results from his last steroid test.

<sigh>

prima donna
10-06-2005, 04:43 PM
Get rid of him, please do not allow him to participate in Shanghai with this looming over his head.

For sure, his spot should be given to a fair sport...

*Ljubica*
10-06-2005, 04:59 PM
he has just withdrawn from Moscow next week..

Maybe the attention is all too much ???

Guess he wants to go home to consult with his own lawyers - as well as see his family and try and get some peace.

alfonsojose
10-06-2005, 05:04 PM
Mariano :sad: