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Arrese on his farewell as Spain DC captain

Deivid23
10-04-2005, 06:08 AM
http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/tenis/es/desarrollo/571463.html

Basically, Arrese acknowledges (almost with tears in his eyes) his family, friends and Avendaño for being such a good partner, and complaints about the lack of compromise from Muñoz, as they didn´t want to follow in charge after DC final in Seville if they were not given the chance of working for the next two years. Muñoz gave both Arrese&Avendaño his word and as we have seen he´s not more than a liar and a fucking clown. :o

Gracias por todo Jordi & Juan :yeah:


PD: As Jordi said in his last press conference, time will give reasons and history will give everyone the place that they deserve. Muñoz :retard:

Scotso
10-04-2005, 06:38 AM
I'm still mad for him not putting Tommy on the team :shrug:

Deivid23
10-04-2005, 06:49 AM
I'm still mad for him not putting Tommy on the team :shrug:

Different people have different opinions, and Spain has such a great bunch of players that you will never be able to satisfy everybody, but I honestly think over 90% of their decisions were the right ones (without a doubt) and some of them were just brilliant

Scotso
10-04-2005, 06:57 AM
Oh I agree he's mostly made good decisions, but I still think that picking Feliciano over Tommy was a big mistake.

Deivid23
10-04-2005, 07:07 AM
Oh I agree he's mostly made good decisions, but I still think that picking Feliciano over Tommy was a big mistake.

If Tommy had gone to Bratislava instead of reaching Dubai SF, he would have probably gone to Italy also. I would have done the same as Arrese, it´s too easy to make oneself unavailable to play on carpet in Slovakia and be ready to play on clay months later, but things shouldn´t go that way, and I think that was the reason why he didn´t play doubles in last tie

Action Jackson
10-04-2005, 07:14 AM
Gracias Muñoz, you weasel this is a great decision for sure and he might as well pick the sides as well and I wonder if we will be able to see the strings in the background when Sanchez talks to the media.

G2, were very good at their job and overall results can't be a reason for them to be sacked, well they made the right decision with Robredo, though in a way Ferrero should have had the same treatment, the only thing that is different is in Bratislava was Ferrero wasn't ranked highly at the time, whereas Robredo was and chose the desert.

Scotso
10-04-2005, 07:44 AM
Well I don't agree in punishing a country for the actions of one person. If Nadal had refused to play the first round, would they have kept him out of the tie with Italy? No, of course not, they would have lost without him. Just because a person doesn't want to play at one time, it doesn't mean you should ostracize them from the team.

Action Jackson
10-04-2005, 07:49 AM
Well I don't agree in punishing a country for the actions of one person. If Nadal had refused to play the first round, would they have kept him out of the tie with Italy? No, of course not, they would have lost without him. Just because a person doesn't want to play at one time, it doesn't mean you should ostracize them from the team.

Nadal wasn't the highest ranked Spaniard at the time of the tie in Bratislava? You know the answer to that question? Was he expected to be # 1 in Spain now at the start of 2005 I highly doubt it.

Was Nadal there in the team? He didn't refuse the call, that's the difference. Robredo made his choice at the time and he got what he deserved. I mean it's not like he is as important to the team as Federer is to Switzerland for example.

Scotso
10-04-2005, 07:50 AM
Well, if Federer refused to play a tie in Davis Cup (which has happened) should he be kicked off the team?

Scotso
10-04-2005, 07:53 AM
What I'm trying to say is it doesn't matter who the person is, if they refused to play once it doesn't mean they should never be allowed to play again.

It's not as though they're committing a crime or anything.

Action Jackson
10-04-2005, 07:54 AM
Well, if Federer refused to play a tie in Davis Cup (which has happened) should he be kicked off the team?

Look at context. Ok, here is a concept is one players ego more important than the overall team? Spain and Switzerland there is a slight difference in depth isn't there, this is the same thing as Söderling decided to be injured for India, and played in a tournament the day after you defended that action, yet you are complaining when Robredo did exactly the same thing.

Scotso
10-04-2005, 07:56 AM
Look at context. Ok, here is a concept is one players ego more important than the overall team? Spain and Switzerland there is a slight difference in depth isn't there, this is the same thing as Söderling decided to be injured for India, and played in a tournament the day after you defended that action, yet you are complaining when Robredo did exactly the same thing.

So we're going to have double standards here just because Spain has more depth?

I didn't complain when Soderling didn't play and I didn't complain when Tommy didn't play, so I don't understand how I was inconsistant.

Deivid23
10-04-2005, 08:01 AM
Well I don't agree in punishing a country for the actions of one person. If Nadal had refused to play the first round, would they have kept him out of the tie with Italy? No, of course not, they would have lost without him. Just because a person doesn't want to play at one time, it doesn't mean you should ostracize them from the team.

It´s not like Robredo is someone who has a secure spot in DC team as he´s not good enough, simply. When you have several players like Verdasco, Ferrer, LaLo or Tommy who one can safely say they are at the same level, you can safely choose those who have shown a bigger compromise with what DC spirit means (ie, Tommy was the only one Arrese could have a problem with bc of this, as himself declared after Slovakia kicked our ass). Therefore G2 decision was perfectly understandable

Action Jackson
10-04-2005, 08:02 AM
So we're going to have double standards here just because Spain has more depth?

I didn't complain when Soderling didn't play and I didn't complain when Tommy didn't play, so I don't understand how I was inconsistant.

Ok, how is it double standards when Federer basically carries the Swiss side? Or is this incorrect? Do Spain have more depth and that they can cover Robredo not being in the side and keep their World Group status? In theory Federer should not have been selected, but in practice that is not going to happen for the reasons even we can agree on.

What is your stance then? You weren't happy that Arrese left out Robredo, it was clear the reasons why he did it, whether you agree or not.

Scotso
10-04-2005, 09:15 AM
I never said the reasons weren't clear. And I made my stance pretty obvious.

propi
10-04-2005, 09:24 AM
Bye bye Arrese, hope you do fine in your life but your last choice for Italy was simply horrible :wavey:

Galaxystorm
10-04-2005, 10:28 AM
Bye bye Arrese, hope you do fine in your life but your last choice for Italy was simply horrible :wavey:

You're right, Feliciano should have played two singles matches :devil:

Action Jackson
10-04-2005, 10:36 AM
I never said the reasons weren't clear. And I made my stance pretty obvious.

Yes, you're upset about Robredo being dropped, when there was no reason to be, if he didn't put himself in a position to be dropped.

Action Jackson
10-04-2005, 10:37 AM
Bye bye Arrese, hope you do fine in your life but your last choice for Italy was simply horrible :wavey:

What they should have played Tati Rascon instead?

Deivid23
10-04-2005, 10:40 AM
What they should have played Tati Rascon instead?

Bet and win, these are the same people who wanted JCF in the DC final in Sevilla ;)

Galaxystorm
10-04-2005, 10:43 AM
What they should have played Tati Rascon instead?

I think Tati Rascon would be a great weapon against Belarus :lol: , in fact he's one of the few spanish pure serve-volley players :bowdown:

The problems is that he's almost retired :sobbing:

propi
10-04-2005, 10:44 AM
What they should have played Tati Rascon instead?
No, they should have played old stilish Emilio Álvarez and his impressive hand made T shirts :worship:
I've already made my points on the other thread and I've heard people's arguments... I disagree in his team this time, but that doesn't mean he stinks, it's just my opinion whether people can deal with it or not... :p

Action Jackson
10-04-2005, 10:44 AM
Bet and win, these are the same people who wanted JCF in the DC final in Sevilla ;)

Those days and the arguments with the JCF deciples about why Nadal should have been in the team for Sevilla. One thing I will give JCF, after he had that episode in Sevilla, he was able to move on from that and seemed to be able to work with G2.

Maybe Robredo and Muñoz are having a relationship of some sort?

propi
10-04-2005, 10:45 AM
Bet and win, these are the same people who wanted JCF in the DC final in Sevilla ;)
I wanted Ferrero in Seville and Ferrer + Robredo in Torre del Greco so?? :confused:

Action Jackson
10-04-2005, 10:48 AM
No, they should have played old stilish Emilio Álvarez and his impressive hand made T shirts :worship:
I've already made my points on the other thread and I've heard people's arguments... I disagree in his team this time, but that doesn't mean he stinks, it's just my opinion whether people can deal with it or not... :p

The great Emilo Benfele Alvarez :worship: :worship: :worship:

Actually I never said about the Italy tie, I actually thought Ferrer should have played on the first day against Seppi, but that didn't happen, the thing was fortunately it was Bracciali is the number 2 for Italy and not someone who can play on clay like Starace.

It's not G2s fault that Ferrero didn't respect Seppi or couldn't adjust to the better game.

Action Jackson
10-04-2005, 10:49 AM
I think Tati Rascon would be a great weapon against Belarus :lol: , in fact he's one of the few spanish pure serve-volley players :bowdown:

The problems is that he's almost retired :sobbing:

Bring back Joan Balcells and Julian Alonso they'd be good for the tie on the Minsk ice rink.

Deivid23
10-04-2005, 11:02 AM
Those days and the arguments with the JCF deciples about why Nadal should have been in the team for Sevilla. One thing I will give JCF, after he had that episode in Sevilla, he was able to move on from that and seemed to be able to work with G2.

Maybe Robredo and Muñoz are having a relationship of some sort?


I´ve been refreshing my memory and have just had a look at 2004 DC draw and I have the conviction Spain would not have won the Cup without these captains, they took a lot of risky decisions and all turned to give the desired outcome:

1st round: Czech Rep. (Brno) -> No Moyá and no Ferrero so they had to trust on youngsters Tommy, Nadal, LaLo. Very smart move at throwing LaLo against Novak (finally it was Berdych bc Jiri´s injury) and letting the kid Nadal all the pressure of a deciding rubber after his loss against Novak the first day as they knew he was good enough to handle that. Brilliant decisions.

QF: Netherlands (Spain) -> Not much of a headache as Moyá and JCF were ready and on clay there was not much of a problem at winning this tie.

SF: France (Spain) -> Moyá put all the pressure on JCF and after being 1 all, Spain had the feeling that tie was gonna be much harder than expected, Moyá looked bad against Mathieu and Ferrero didn´t look sharp either. Doubles team took the 3rd point (Nadal and Robredo are a good couple despite what all these clowns say about Spain lacking of a decent doubles team) and they had the guts to throw Nadal instead of JCF in the 4th rubber which was another very good decision as the kid played an unbelievable match and blew off court Clement to clinch the finals.

Finals: Nadal above Ferrero and Robredo in a decision most of the "experts" in my country were against and which resulted to be another brilliant one. They didn´t fight for the doubles point as they wanted to give rest to Nadal if a deciding rubber was happening.

Conclusion: Other captains wouldn´t have led Spain to win their 2nd DC trophy

After losing to eventual finalists (if not champions) the year after and keep the team in the World Group, the team is sacked after being promised they would work for 2 years.

Conclusion 2: This only can be done by a clown, Muñoz :retard:

Deivid23
10-04-2005, 11:04 AM
I wanted Ferrero in Seville and Ferrer + Robredo in Torre del Greco so?? :confused:

I betted and won, simple ;)

Action Jackson
10-04-2005, 11:08 AM
I´ve been refreshing my memory and have just had a look at 2004 DC draw and I have the conviction Spain would not have won the Cup without these captains, they took a lot of risky decisions and all turned to give the desired outcome:

1st round: Czech Rep. (Brno) -> No Moyá and no Ferrero so they had to trust on youngsters Tommy, Nadal, LaLo. Very smart move at throwing LaLo against Novak (finally it was Berdych bc Jiri´s injury) and letting the kid Nadal all the pressure of a deciding rubber after his loss against Novak the first day as they knew he was good enough to handle that. Brilliant decisions.

QF: Netherlands (Spain) -> Not much of a headache as Moyá and JCF were ready and on clay there was not much of a problem at winning this tie.

SF: France (Spain) -> Moyá put all the pressure on JCF and after being 1-1 all, Spain had the feeling that tie was gonna be much harder than expected, Moyá looked bad against Mathieu and Ferrero didn´t look sharp either. Doubles team took the 3rd point (Nadal and Robredo are a good couple despite what all these clowns say about Spain lacking of a decent doubles team) and they had the guts to throw Nadal in the 4th rubber which was another very good one decision as the kid played an unbelievable match and blew off court Clement to clinch the finals.

Finals: Nadal above Ferrero and Robredo in a decision most of the "experts" in my country were against and which resulted to be another brilliant one. They didn´t fight for the doubles point as they wanted to give rest to Nadal if a deciding rubber was happening.

Conclusion: Other captains wouldn´t have led Spain to win their 2nd DC trophy

After losing to eventual finalists (if not champions) the year after and keep the team in the World Group, the team is sacked after being promised they would work for 2 years.

Conclusion 2: This only can be done by a clown, Muñoz :retard:

I want to disagree with this, but I can't.

I remember the tie in Brno and they did the right thing and selected the right players for that match, especially the 4th rubber. Too many people think it's about final glory, when it's about the whole year.

LaLo, Robredo, Ferrero, Nadal all contributed to the team winning the Davis Cup and G2 made tough decisions, but at least they don't play to the gallery.

Galaxystorm
10-04-2005, 11:19 AM
Bring back Joan Balcells and Julian Alonso they'd be good for the tie on the Minsk ice rink.

Tonight i will call Jordi Burillo and maybe he's also avaliable ..

Can you imagine a team composed by : Tati Rascon, Balcells, Alonso and Burillo :eek: :eek: :bowdown: :bowdown:.

Surely Mirnyi would be shit-scared :haha:

Action Jackson
10-04-2005, 11:22 AM
Tonight i will call Jordi Burillo and maybe he's also avaliable ..

Can you imagine a team composed by : Tati Rascon, Balcells, Alonso and Burillo :eek: :eek: :bowdown: :bowdown:.

Surely Mirnyi would be shit-scared :haha:

How is Burillo these days? I am going to have a Burillo avatar, and that would be a team that even that nasty dictator Lukashenko would be scared of.

amierin
10-04-2005, 11:55 AM
Arrese's statement (translated from the Spanish)
IF this has already been posted excuse me.

Arrese thinks that Pedro Muñoz went back on his word, but that "time will put each one in his place"

Oct 3 · BARCELONA

Jordi Arrese, one of the ex captains of the Spanish Davis Cup team, said today that he was far from happy with the president of the Real Federación Española de Tenis (RFET), Pedro Muñoz, and that he considered Muñoz had gone back on his word that he would continue with the so-called G-2, duo of captains, formed by Arrese and Juan Bautista Avendaño.

The former Catalan tennis player gave a press conference in the Club Tenis Barcino to make known his views on the decision announced last week by Pedro Muñoz, when the president of the RFET made public the changes in the Davis Cup team at a ceremony in Barcelona at which Avedaño but not Arrese was present.

Arrese read out a statement to put his point of view - without answering questions afterwards so as to avoid any polemic - and became very emotional towards the end, especially when talking about Avendaño, and stated that "time would put each one in his place". Before that, he explained that he had heard of Muñoz's decision "in the press".

"Avendaño and I heard that we were not going to continue from the press and the day after the news broke, we were summoned to a meeting," he explained. Arrese also said that he was not at all pleased because Muñoz had "promised" them that they would be two more years with the team and that was the reason they had decided to continue after winning the Davis Cup in 2004 in Seville.

"OUR INITIAL IDEA WAS NOT TO RENEW AFTER WINNING IN SEVILLE"

Our initial idea was not to renew after having won in Seville, if they did not offer us two more years. We were quite happy to leave the post at that moment if we were only offered one year," he said, revealing that Muñoz asked them to trust in his word, as they had done before in that of the former president Agustí Pujol.

"Both Juan and I considered that a project like the Davis Cup at this new stage, and with such a complicated draw, needed a period of two years," added Arrese referring to the draw that meant Spain playing Slovakia in the first round, when they were defeated by a team which, he reminded us, is now one of the finalists.

Jordi Arrese then went on to thank the players, whom he considers to be principally responsible for the success of the last five years (two Davis Cups and one runners up), as well as all the technicians who have formed part of the team, his family, ex president Agustí Pujol and all the fans.

He paid special thanks to his wife, for all the help she had given him "in the background", and to Juan Bautista Avendaño, highlighting the "help, friendship, professionalism and understanding" that he had shown for the five years and above all in 2005, when they had acted "as if they were a G-1," he said.

"I am aware that it will be difficult to find another companion with the honesty, complicity and great human worth of Juan Avendaño, although I trust that life will give me another opportunity to work with him again," said Arrese, who joined the Davis Cup team in 2001 and always worked with Avendaño.

Jordi Arrese ended his farewell appearance by saying that "there are people who like to be talked about, whether what's said is good or bad" but that was not his case. "I prefer not to be talked about."

"You can be quite sure that time will put each one in his place," the former player emphatically concluded.

I posted this yesterday on the old thread for the DC tie and am reposting it here. I couldn't find it in Spanish.

RogiFan88
10-04-2005, 02:29 PM
Look at context. Ok, here is a concept is one players ego more important than the overall team? Spain and Switzerland there is a slight difference in depth isn't there, this is the same thing as Söderling decided to be injured for India, and played in a tournament the day after you defended that action, yet you are complaining when Robredo did exactly the same thing.

What about Volandri not playing DC last month? :p

Action Jackson
10-04-2005, 02:30 PM
What about Volandri not playing DC last month? :p

Volandri, well at least he didn't fake an injury to duck DC duty, he wanted more money, the Italians told him va fanculo and that was it.

revolution
10-04-2005, 02:35 PM
International footballers aren't paid to play for the national teams, so why do some of these mercenaries get picked for DC? Drop Volandri, drop Arazi, drop anyone holding their country team to ransom.

Galaxystorm
10-04-2005, 02:40 PM
International footballers aren't paid to play for the national teams, so why do some of these mercenaries get picked for DC? Drop Volandri, drop Arazi, drop anyone holding their country team to ransom.

I disagree , usually international footballers are paid to play representing their nation . I didn't call it as a fee, but a monetary prize . ( Maybe in english national team this fact doesn't happen )

RogiFan88
10-04-2005, 02:47 PM
Volandri, well at least he didn't fake an injury to duck DC duty, he wanted more money, the Italians told him va fanculo and that was it.


And then he went to Palermo, made the final, bagelled Andreev, then choked away a title... :p

So, what's happening w ESV??

I think Balcells and Corretja s act as part-time dbles coaches for all the Spanish doubles-playing guys. ;) Impart some of their expertise.

Action Jackson
10-04-2005, 02:51 PM
And then he went to Palermo, made the final, bagelled Andreev, then choked away a title... :p

So, what's happening w ESV??

I think Balcells and Corretja s act as part-time dbles coaches for all the Spanish doubles-playing guys. ;) Impart some of their expertise.

ESV you mean the stooge I am not sure what he will be doing.

Joan and Alex well that would be good, but one can never tell what they will do.

Alvarillo
10-04-2005, 04:37 PM
Bye Bye Arrese :D

Deivid23
10-04-2005, 10:43 PM
Bye Bye Arrese :D

It´s a shame you support all Spanish players no matter their style or character and you´re happy bc Arrese is leaving DC National team :o

Action Jackson
10-05-2005, 07:49 AM
Bye Bye Arrese :D

:wavey: Tomas Roncero.

Galaxystorm
10-05-2005, 12:27 PM
Muñoz suffered an anxiety attack and tachycardia after an argument with Arrese yesterday in Barcelona when both met by chance .Muñoz had to go to the Hospital, but after several hours he was discharged from Hospital.

New in spanish : http://www.marca.es/edicion/marca/tenis/es/desarrollo/571926.html

Alvarillo
10-05-2005, 02:14 PM
It´s a shame you support all Spanish players no matter their style or character and you´re happy bc Arrese is leaving DC National team :o

and why? i prefer other captains for the team, can't I?

Deivid23
10-05-2005, 02:54 PM
and why? i prefer other captains for the team, can't I?

If you´re such a big supporter of Spanish tennis, you should be a grateful person and not just say bye as if Arrese was a burden or sth. :retard:

Alvarillo
10-05-2005, 03:02 PM
If you´re such a big supporter of Spanish tennis, you should be a grateful person and not just say bye as if Arrese was a burden or sth. :retard:

sorry i can't stand him! ;)

RogiFan88
10-05-2005, 04:03 PM
Muñoz suffered an anxiety attack and tachycardia after an argument with Arrese yesterday in Barcelona when both met by chance .Muñoz had to go to the Hospital, but after several hours he was discharged from Hospital.

New in spanish : http://www.marca.es/edicion/marca/tenis/es/desarrollo/571926.html

This is true? Sorry, it SO sounds like a bad joke... or perhaps just divine intervention

LaTenista
10-05-2005, 04:13 PM
This is true? Sorry, it SO sounds like a bad joke... or perhaps just divine intervention

I was thinking it was turning into a real life Spanish soap opera :o

propi
10-05-2005, 04:22 PM
I was thinking it was turning into a real life Spanish soap opera :o
Spanish soap operas suck big time in comparison to this :p
This is at the level of a good Venezuelan or Colombian soap :bounce:

Action Jackson
10-06-2005, 04:28 AM
Muñoz suffered an anxiety attack and tachycardia after an argument with Arrese yesterday in Barcelona when both met by chance .Muñoz had to go to the Hospital, but after several hours he was discharged from Hospital.

New in spanish : http://www.marca.es/edicion/marca/tenis/es/desarrollo/571926.html

I hope this is true, but this is getting silly.