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A title holder who's denied a WC : has it happened before ?

TheMightyFed
10-03-2005, 02:37 PM
Jérôme Haehnel didn't receive a WC in Metz (his native region...) as he was 96 when the draw was made, as Ascione (95) and Philipoussis (203) both received one... should have been a minimum to invite the 2004 winner IMO... :rolleyes:
Do you know a tournament where it happened before ?

Purple Rainbow
10-03-2005, 02:40 PM
Ridiculous, in his home country even... :rolleyes:
What's up with giving Phillippoussis wild cards all the time anyway?

skel1983
10-03-2005, 02:44 PM
Jérôme Haenel didn't receive a WC in Metz (his native region...) as he was 96 when the draw was made, as Ascione (95) and Philipoussis (203) both received one... should have been a minimum to invite the 2004 winner IMO... :rolleyes:
Do you know a tournament where it happened before ?


THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought the French were passionate about there tennis, if that was in Britain and one of are guys had won the event he would of been given a WC for life!!!

No but honestly that is unbelievable!!!!!

bad gambler
10-03-2005, 02:46 PM
flip should never receive a wc again until he goes back and proves himself in the challengers

what a joke

oneandonlyhsn
10-03-2005, 02:48 PM
Not another WC for Flip :help:

Scotso
10-03-2005, 02:59 PM
This makes me want to launch a boycott of Metz or something. Poor Jerome... I can't understand this at all.

Why in God's name does Flip deserve a WC?

This is stupefying.

Truc
10-03-2005, 03:06 PM
Did he ask for a WC?
He's playing the Mons challenger, maybe he didn't want to play in Metz for some reason we don't know.
Or did he say in an interview they didn't want to give him a WC?

Experimentee
10-03-2005, 03:21 PM
Maybe he didnt want to play. But I cant see why he wouldnt want to defend his title!
If he did ask for one and Flip got it instead, that is a disgrace :fiery:

TheMightyFed
10-03-2005, 03:37 PM
Maybe he didnt want to play. But I cant see why he wouldnt want to defend his title!
If he did ask for one and Flip got it instead, that is a disgrace :fiery:
Yes he asked a WC one month ago and organisers said there were other French players ahead of him, and they picked up Ascione as the latest WC, who happened to be 1 rank above him... stupid organisers ! :mad:

Alvarillo
10-03-2005, 03:39 PM
:tape: ridiculous

Truc
10-03-2005, 04:00 PM
You're right, mdhubert, I've found an article where he says he's very disappointed and he entered the Mons challenger only as a precaution.
http://fr.sports.yahoo.com/02102005/26/tennis-sept-francais-metz-mais-pas-jerome-haehnel.html:
"Je suis défait, je ne comprends pas", a déclaré Jérôme Haehnel samedi à Reuters.
"Il y a six semaines, j'avais appelé Yvon Gérard, le directeur du tournoi, pour savoir si j'avais une chance d'obtenir une des quatre invitations. J'ai senti à sa réponse que ça allait être dur. Par précaution, je m'étais inscrit au Challenger de Mons, en Belgique."
"Jeudi, j'ai rappelé les organisateurs et j'ai eu la confirmation que Thierry Ascione était devant moi sur une liste apparemment fournie par la Fédération. Je n'ai rien contre Thierry, qui est un copain, mais je trouve cette décision un peu dure. L'an dernier, ça s'était super bien passé et j'espérais vraiment revenir dans les Arènes de Metz."

(As usual, I can't translate it, sorry.)

TheMightyFed
10-03-2005, 04:04 PM
(As usual, I can't translate it, sorry.)
Because you're lazy... ;)
Got the info in L'Equipe, always a good source !

silverwhite
10-03-2005, 04:10 PM
Oh dear. :sad: The organisers deserve a :smash: .

SwissMister1
10-03-2005, 04:22 PM
This is a really big slap in the face to Jerome. Maybe the French Federation is punishing him for not flying to other tournaments or something.

Horatio Caine
10-03-2005, 04:25 PM
You're right, mdhubert, I've found an article where he says he's very disappointed and he entered the Mons challenger only as a precaution.
http://fr.sports.yahoo.com/02102005/26/tennis-sept-francais-metz-mais-pas-jerome-haehnel.html:
"Je suis défait, je ne comprends pas", a déclaré Jérôme Haehnel samedi à Reuters.
"Il y a six semaines, j'avais appelé Yvon Gérard, le directeur du tournoi, pour savoir si j'avais une chance d'obtenir une des quatre invitations. J'ai senti à sa réponse que ça allait être dur. Par précaution, je m'étais inscrit au Challenger de Mons, en Belgique."
"Jeudi, j'ai rappelé les organisateurs et j'ai eu la confirmation que Thierry Ascione était devant moi sur une liste apparemment fournie par la Fédération. Je n'ai rien contre Thierry, qui est un copain, mais je trouve cette décision un peu dure. L'an dernier, ça s'était super bien passé et j'espérais vraiment revenir dans les Arènes de Metz."

(As usual, I can't translate it, sorry.)

;) Sorry if I make a few mistakes...

"I have been left out...I don't understand" declared Jerome Haehnel at Reuters on Saturday. "Six weeks ago I called Yvon Gérard, the tournament director, to find out if I had a chance to obtain one of the four wildcards. I sensed from his reply that it would be very tough (to get one). As a precaution, I signed myself up for the Mons challenger, in Belgium. "On Thursday I called back the organisers and I was given confirmation that Thierry Ascione was before me on the list of appearances for the tournament by the Federation. I have nothing against Thierry, woh is a friend of mine, but I find this decision to be a little harsh. Last year, this had been a great time for me (?) and I really had hoped to return to Metz.

Hope this helps :bigwave:

Horatio Caine
10-03-2005, 04:28 PM
It is a bit harsh that he hasn't been given the chance to defend his title, BUT, maybe the Federation is also doing him a favour. He has had a horrible year results-wise and he was unlikely to mount much of a challenge this week so he might end up defending more of his points in the Challenger.

TheMightyFed
10-03-2005, 04:30 PM
It is a bit harsh that he hasn't been given the chance to defend his title, BUT, maybe the Federation is also doing him a favour. He has had a horrible year results-wise and he was unlikely to mount much of a challenge this week so he might end up defending more of his points in the Challenger.
You never know what he'd have done, last year he wasn't on a winning streak either... there is truth in what you say... but remember Goran... and he wasn't the title holder !

mandoura
10-03-2005, 04:35 PM
:eek:

delsa
10-03-2005, 04:35 PM
I heard he himself refused to be offered a WC when i knew he hadn't and wanted to know how come since i thought that was stupid but now with the articles you posted...:fiery:
:rolleyes: No scoreboard on their site, and now this?
Julien Boutter spends more time being in restaurants and socializing as a co-organisator of the tournament than occupying of such matters correctly it seems... (really i don't know what he does actually but this is becoming a joke...It's really disappointing. ).

Papakori
10-03-2005, 04:42 PM
Jerome :crying2:

ys
10-03-2005, 04:44 PM
Scud deserves wildcard.. That other guy should have gone and played qualies..

Horatio Caine
10-03-2005, 04:48 PM
Scud deserves wildcard.. That other guy should have gone and played qualies..

Absolutely not. I have lost all respect for that man tennis-wise. He is just not motivated enough. Andy Murray has had plenty of WC but he could do more with Scud's WC than Scud will actually do with it. Give it to talent or someone who has missed out on many tournaments through injury. Not wasters.

Horatio Caine
10-03-2005, 04:49 PM
In fact - do a swap. Scud's WC goes to Murray. Murray's place in the Mons challenger (which he has grown out of) goes to Scud. I'll bet Scud couldn't get past R2.

ys
10-03-2005, 04:54 PM
Absolutely not. I have lost all respect for that man tennis-wise. He is just not motivated enough.

When someone who has two GS finals on his resume asks for a wildcard in a mickey mouse tournament like Metz, it is automatic, not even disputable, regardless of their current results, as long as the superstar bothers to show up.. They don't get many of superstars anyway..

Experimentee
10-03-2005, 05:18 PM
Scud gets even more WCs than Murray :rolleyes:
He should go back to the challengers.

revolution
10-03-2005, 05:23 PM
Wildcards should go by a few things, but Scud doesn't seem motivated enough to go in challengers. Andy has shown that commitment and effort puts them to good use.

Is he ever going to climb the rankings again?

Horatio Caine
10-03-2005, 05:28 PM
When someone who has two GS finals on his resume asks for a wildcard in a mickey mouse tournament like Metz, it is automatic, not even disputable, regardless of their current results, as long as the superstar bothers to show up.. They don't get many of superstars anyway..

Sure, he used to be talented and motivated and got great results. However, like a law statute, once it is updated, the previous statutes are no longer referred to. Many fans of tennis, including me, don't give a stuff about his past results when it comes to his recent performances...

Also, one more thing to note. He said that he was determined to get his career back on track and that he would travel to the other ends of the earth on the challenger tour in order to get his ranking back up....then why is he still requesting WC? I think his fake personality shines through...

Aphex
10-03-2005, 05:38 PM
Hyung-Taik Lee won Sydney 2003. Had to qualify 2004, I think.

Chloe le Bopper
10-03-2005, 05:41 PM
ys is right. Nobody every said that WCs were "fair". It's the Ascione WC that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

ys
10-03-2005, 05:42 PM
Also, one more thing to note. He said that he was determined to get his career back on track and that he would travel to the other ends of the earth on the challenger tour in order to get his ranking back up....then why is he still requesting WC?

Because he is given them.. Why should he take a harder way? He has enough problems already. Sure, if he is not given those WCs he'll go and play Challengers.. But who would refuse an entry to a superstar to give a spot to a nobody?

Chloe le Bopper
10-03-2005, 05:42 PM
Hyung-Taik Lee won Sydney 2003. Had to qualify 2004, I think.
But if he were an Aussie I htink it's unlikely that he would have been in qualies ;)

ETA - Just to clarify, I realize that you're just answering the question :p

ys
10-03-2005, 05:46 PM
But if he were an Aussie I htink it's unlikely that he would have been in qualies ;)

ETA - Just to clarify, I realize that you're just answering the question :p

Problem is .. there are like 3 or 4 Aussies remotely capable of that. There are like 20 French players who are as good or better than Haehnel.. If you are an organizer of a tournament in France, the last thing you want is to have one half of draw consisting of Frenchmen and another half of the draw some journeymen with very little international recognition.. Because without big names it is becoming effectively a challenger..

silverwhite
10-03-2005, 05:58 PM
ys is right. Nobody every said that WCs were "fair". It's the Ascione WC that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Yes, but there's something not right about refusing to give the defending champion a WC, especially when he is ranked higher than some of the WCs. :(

Scotso
10-03-2005, 07:56 PM
ys is right. Nobody every said that WCs were "fair". It's the Ascione WC that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Of course they're not fair, but not giving a WC to a defending FRENCH champion ins a FRENCH tournament?

And Ascione is French :shrug:

Scotso
10-03-2005, 07:58 PM
Oh and the words "right" and "ys" should never be in the same post.

revolution
10-03-2005, 08:11 PM
Oh right, so ys has a point then.

Chloe le Bopper
10-03-2005, 10:58 PM
Of course they're not fair, but not giving a WC to a defending FRENCH champion ins a FRENCH tournament?

And Ascione is French :shrug:
I'm aware of that. But giving a WC to Ascione over the defending Champ, who is also French, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. At least not on the surface. If people are going ot get upset over one of the WCs, it should be that one.

Scotso
10-03-2005, 11:00 PM
I disagree, it should be the one they gave to the 200-something ranked player who makes it pretty obvious that he really doesn't care.

Horatio Caine
10-03-2005, 11:01 PM
...and Haehnel was going to beat Hrbaty??!!!!

I think they did Hahenel a favour. I haven't seen the Mons draw, but if he wins 1 match then he will get more points than he would have done for a R1 defeat in Metz.

Also, Ascione has done well at challenger level on indoor hard all year...Haehnel hasn't done well all year on any particular surface

Horatio Caine
10-03-2005, 11:03 PM
I disagree, it should be the one they gave to the 200-something ranked player who makes it pretty obvious that he really doesn't care.

Agree with you there mate :yeah:

Can't be bothered re-typing my argument - see previous page. ;)

adee-gee
10-03-2005, 11:06 PM
Oh and the words "right" and "ys" should never be in the same post.

:haha:

There's also a bit of irony in your statement, given the fact that he despises "left"

Scotso
10-03-2005, 11:15 PM
:haha:

There's also a bit of irony in your statement, given the fact that he despises "left"

;)

NYCtennisfan
10-04-2005, 01:00 AM
This is a truly unbelieveable thing to have happen.