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Federer wants Masters Series event in Asia

nobama
10-03-2005, 11:20 AM
Federer in China to launch hi-tech tennis stadium (http://www.newkerala.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=29487)

Bangkok: Non-stop Swiss Roger Federer landed in Shanghai Monday for a full day of ceremonial duties as he dedicates the new lotus-roofed stadium that will host the season-ending Masters Cup next month.

Only hours after lifting his 11th title of the season with a repeat victory at the Thailand Open, the world number 1 boarded an overnight flight to China for a full schedule of off-court activities.

The Nov 13-20 Masters Cup will feature the top eight players in the world in the ATP, based on results obtained during 2005.

Federer, who booked his own spot atop the field in July, heads to China with the season-ending world number 1 ranking sewn up for 2005 after another trophy week in Bangkok, where he beat Briton Andy Murray 6-3, 7-5 in Sunday's final.

"I want to defend my Masters Cup title - it's one of my goals this year," said Federer, who was hosting a dinner for Chinese government and tennis officials Monday evening.

The player's 24-hour visit to Shanghai was highlighted by the dedication of the Qi Zhong stadium complex, built in record time at an estimated cost of $200 million.

With the fast approaching 2008 Beijing Olympics an opportunity to impress the world, China's sport mandarins have spared no expense in turning out a state-of-the art facility on the western side of the metropolis of 13 million people.

He will return to Europe Tuesday to prepare for a season-ending run of tournaments - Madrid, his hometown of Basel, Paris-Bercy and finally Shanghai.

"I remember playing in Shanghai," Federer said. "The crowds were fantastic. I love playing in Asia and I look forward to November.

"It would be great to have a [regular season] Masters Series event in Asia. There are a number of them in Europe and North America, and it would be great for one of them to come over here."

Shanghai next month will be the two-time defending champion's fourth-consecutive appearance in the final after winning back-to-back in Houston in 2003 and 2004.

The player's lone loss at any Masters Cup came in Shanghai in 2002 when he was beaten by Lleyton Hewitt in the semifinals.

This is cool, but I hope it's not Indian Wells that goes over there... :sad:

skel1983
10-03-2005, 11:24 AM
I think in the next couple of years the atp need to look at a full rescheduling so more events are around the world, like Africa and especially Asia!!!

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 11:28 AM
And If Federer played a tournament in South America he would say it would be great a Masters series there ...

When a player visits a country he always try to be pleasant making this kind of comments . I'm not telling Fed is a liar, because maybe he really would love a Masters Series in Asia, but i don't usually pay much attention to these comments because they are very opportunist.

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 11:31 AM
Besides Asia has the Masters Cup , which is more important than a Masters series

skel1983
10-03-2005, 11:33 AM
And If Federer played a tournament in South America he would say it would be great a Masters series there ...

When a player visits a country he always try to be pleasant making this kind of comments . I'm not telling Fed is a liar, because maybe he really would love a Masters Series in Asia, but i don't usually pay much attention to these comments because they are very opportunist.


Totally agreed, it's funny to watch when a player wins an event it's all of a sudden the best event since slice bread, it's just being respectful to the event.

But i do feel Asia is a great market as the economy's are growing tenfold, and i think it's the same with most sport's they are trying to eploit the huge potential over there, the ATP would be stupid to not look into bigger events over there as the intrest is and will be bigger and will bring more talent from over that side of the world.

skel1983
10-03-2005, 11:35 AM
Besides Asia has the Masters Cup , which is more important than a Masters series


That's different though that event could be held anywhere, and that proves the intrest and potential over there as the organisers have invested lots of $$$ to bring an event like that over there. I think that a TMS on a yearly basis would be a huge success.

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 11:38 AM
Totally agreed, it's funny to watch when a player wins an event it's all of a sudden the best event since slice bread, it's just being respectful to the event.

But i do feel Asia is a great market as the economy's are growing tenfold, and i think it's the same with most sport's they are trying to eploit the huge potential over there, the ATP would be stupid to not look into bigger events over there as the intrest is and will be bigger and will bring more talent from over that side of the world.

For example , 4 Masters Series in North American continent i think they are too many. Surely one of them should be moved to Asia.

I also consider that 3 clay Masters series in Europe are too many and it would be appropriate to move one of them to Argentina ...( According to my opinion Hamburg is the saddest masters series )

nobama
10-03-2005, 11:41 AM
And If Federer played a tournament in South America he would say it would be great a Masters series there ...

When a player visits a country he always try to be pleasant making this kind of comments . I'm not telling Fed is a liar, because maybe he really would love a Masters Series in Asia, but i don't usually pay much attention to these comments because they are very opportunist.True, but I do think he likes Asia. I've heard him and Mirka mention that in interviews before and I think they do vacation there at the end of the year - I think last year they went on holiday in the Maldives.

bad gambler
10-03-2005, 11:43 AM
And If Federer played a tournament in South America he would say it would be great a Masters series there ...



:lol:

nobama
10-03-2005, 11:45 AM
Totally agreed, it's funny to watch when a player wins an event it's all of a sudden the best event since slice bread, it's just being respectful to the event.Roger made these comments in China not Thailand. Of course if someone asks him should there be more events in Asia he's not going to say no. But I do think he's fond of Asia and Asian culture and that's why he chooses to vacation there rather than some place in Europe or North America.

skel1983
10-03-2005, 11:45 AM
For example , 4 Masters Series in North American continent i think they are too many. Surely one of them should be moved to Asia.

I also consider that 3 clay Masters series in Europe are too many and it would be appropriate to move one of them to Argentina ...( According to my opinion Hamburg is the saddest masters series )

Yes good point:

I think the two in March would be the best to move, i do understand these two TMS are big Indian Wells and Miami, so poosibly push these back to the slot's Cinncy and Toronto have (just a suggestion) then maybe have one TMS in China and the other in some nesrby country (otherwise to far to travel)

Also the clay point is a good idea, the big events need to be spread out worldwide, to climitize to the traveling i would say the third TMS in europe should be moved to South America where the surface and the tennis is dominated by Clay which would be great for the South American's to see players Like Roger, Hewitt, Safin and similar superstars on a yearly basis.

skel1983
10-03-2005, 11:48 AM
Roger made these comments in China not Thailand. Of course if someone asks him should there be more events in Asia he's not going to say no. But I do think he's fond of Asia and Asian culture and that's why he chooses to vacation there rather than some place in Europe or North America.


I wasn't being specific with Roger, he obviously loves Asia i was being more general when players win events it is funny when it sounds as if it's the best event ever, for that weekend only!!!

nobama
10-03-2005, 11:52 AM
I wasn't being specific with Roger, he obviously loves Asia i was being more general when players win events it is funny when it sounds as if it's the best event ever, for that weekend only!!!Yeah, it's true. When I saw Roger in Indian Wells he said that was one of the best ever, one of the biggest stadiums, blah, blah, blah. I'm sure he said the same thing in Miami too.

1sun
10-03-2005, 12:06 PM
good idea,its time to exploit that asian market

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 12:10 PM
And what about a TMS on grass ?? Halle would be my preference

Dirk
10-03-2005, 12:45 PM
There is no way players would go to China or Asia for one event then go back to Miami for that Master. All the events in the US would have to be scrapped to. Same with Hamburg. If they moved it to South America then all the players would go down there for one event then back to Europe for RG. I don't see that happening. There are some smaller events that might pop up more in the Asian and in Africa but of course that depends on the success of current smaller events.

nobama
10-03-2005, 01:00 PM
Yes good point:

I think the two in March would be the best to move, i do understand these two TMS are big Indian Wells and Miami, so poosibly push these back to the slot's Cinncy and Toronto have (just a suggestion) then maybe have one TMS in China and the other in some nesrby country (otherwise to far to travel)

Also the clay point is a good idea, the big events need to be spread out worldwide, to climitize to the traveling i would say the third TMS in europe should be moved to South America where the surface and the tennis is dominated by Clay which would be great for the South American's to see players Like Roger, Hewitt, Safin and similar superstars on a yearly basis.Why couldn't they replace Cincy with a TMS elsewhere and have it at a different time of the year. Now that they have the co-ed Pilot Pen, they could move that up one week so there's still a week off before the US Open and maybe then bigger stars would play. Of all the Masters Series events in North America I would say Cincy is the lowest ranked/least important.

Dirk
10-03-2005, 01:12 PM
Cincy I think has been around longer than any of the big events in US. They will not move one master event in a country and have no smaller events near it to support it. The schedule will stay the same as it should.

nobama
10-03-2005, 01:15 PM
Roger sure does clean up nicely!

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/t/p/2005-10-03/U574P6T12D1802175F44DT20051003175248.jpg

amierin
10-03-2005, 01:23 PM
I'm not as cynical as some regarding Roger's statement. He is also talking up an event on the continent of Africa south of the Sahara.

I may be reading too much into this but I think what he's doing is trying to move the tennis world from it's Euro-centric, American view and by doing so grow the sport. I know in the States the major players rarely ever go to the South American events dismissing them as something not worthy of their attention which is why some challenge Nadal's number two ranking. Some events may move from the States to other locales. So be it. Canada and Pilot Pen come close enough to the Open to count as warm ups and if Pilot Pen is moved up a week more top players would enter.

There are posters on MTF from all over the world and from places where there is no real organized tennis which means tennis has the chance to become a world sport close to the status of soccer if it would just open its eyes. Asia is the most organized continent right now in terms of attracting events.

Federer is in a position to do something as the best male tennis player on the planet and apparently he is not going to waste his time at the top.

onewoman74
10-03-2005, 01:24 PM
With the Olympics in China in 08', the ATP will go all out to get more events in Asia...they want to increase their presence in that market...it's all about the money and making tons of it. I wouldn't doubt that a Masters event might makes its debut btw now and 08'.

nobama
10-03-2005, 01:45 PM
I'm not as cynical as some regarding Roger's statement. He is also talking up an event on the continent of Africa south of the Sahara.

I may be reading too much into this but I think what he's doing is trying to move the tennis world from it's Euro-centric, American view and by doing so grow the sport. I know in the States the major players rarely ever go to the South American events dismissing them as something not worthy of their attention which is why some challenge Nadal's number two ranking. Some events may move from the States to other locales. So be it. Canada and Pilot Pen come close enough to the Open to count as warm ups and if Pilot Pen is moved up a week more top players would enter.

There are posters on MTF from all over the world and from places where there is no real organized tennis which means tennis has the chance to become a world sport close to the status of soccer if it would just open its eyes. Asia is the most organized continent right now in terms of attracting events.

Federer is in a position to do something as the best male tennis player on the planet and apparently he is not going to waste his time at the top.Um, I don't doubt Roger's sincerity either, but when's the last time he or Safin or Hewitt have played in South America? It's not just US players that choose not to play in South America. I don't regard Roger's comments as a dis against America, Europe or any place else. He just wants to continue to grow the sport which is a good thing. You say some events may move from the States. Why just the States? It's not as if the US has a monopoly on tournaments. The US has three master series events, Europe has 4 (5 if you count Spain).

skel1983
10-03-2005, 01:48 PM
Um, I don't doubt Roger's sincerity either, but when's the last time he or Safin or Hewitt have played in South America? It's not just US players that choose not to play in South America. I don't regard Roger's comments as a dis against America, Europe or any place else. He just wants to continue to grow the sport which is a good thing. You say some events may move from the States. Why just the States? It's not as if the US has a monopoly on tournaments. The US has three master series events, Europe has 4 (5 if you count Spain).


Yes i think the two indoor would be the most sensible idea, but with the American TMS i just think the ones in March could be moved as there is no GS Leading in, but you could argue Europe and the us could be moved elsewhere.

amierin
10-03-2005, 01:54 PM
Um, I don't doubt Roger's sincerity either, but when's the last time he or Safin or Hewitt have played in South America? It's not just US players that choose not to play in South America. I don't regard Roger's comments as a dis against America, Europe or any place else. He just wants to continue to grow the sport which is a good thing. You say some events may move from the States. Why just the States? It's not as if the US has a monopoly on tournaments. The US has three master series events, Europe has 4 (5 if you count Spain).

Absolutely correct Mirkaland about players going to SA. And no, I don't see it as a dis against the States. I see it as trying to open the eyes of TPTB in tennis to other venues for making money.

I talked about events moving from the States because another poster brought up IW and Cincy. There is lots of room for movement when you look at it.

Federer's mother is South African. That country is no longer a pariah in some people's eyes and I'm sure a major tourney could be held there if there are facilities available. Roger does a lot of charity work there so I'm sure he could pull something off.

Puschkin
10-03-2005, 02:05 PM
Europe has 4 (5 if you count Spain).

Yes, Spain is indeed in Europe :p . I do hope that the Spaniards agree;).

I think that Roger is one of the few pros who have understood that the future of tennis is in Asia. This may coincide with his personal sympathy towards Asian countries. But he clearly wants to part of this development and get his share out of it.

Personally, I regret this shift to Asia, as it is impossible for me to visit a Master's Cup in Shanghai, but I am sure the players prefer to play in front of an enthusiastic crowd there, compared to the empty seats in Houston and also at the US Open.

Experimentee
10-03-2005, 02:13 PM
He obviously is genuine in saying it is a great crowd and a great place. Youcant deny the Shanghai Masters Cup crowd were fantastic, and he wouldnt keep playing in places like Bangkok if he didnt like it.

I agree with him that there should be a TMS event in Asia. IW could go there, and not necessarily in the same calendar spot, there could be an Asian hardcourt swing sometime after the US Open.
It would also be good to have one somewhere like South America and Africa, but I'm not sure if they have the tennis market and sponsors to support such big events. China already proved it does.

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 02:40 PM
Cincy I think has been around longer than any of the big events in US. They will not move one master event in a country and have no smaller events near it to support it. The schedule will stay the same as it should.

If one of these TMS ( Indian Wells, Miami , Cincy and Montreal/Toronto) had to be moved , i think Cincy would be the best candidate, because Cincy has no the glamour/power/epic of IW or Miami, and about the Canadian TMS i feel that canandian crowd supports the tennis more than Cincy's crowd..

Whistleway
10-03-2005, 02:49 PM
[OT] hey mirkaland, check ur pm !!

stuey87
10-03-2005, 02:51 PM
And what about a TMS on grass ?? Halle would be my preference


Holding a TMS in Asia (perhaps somewhere like India) on grass would be great but sadly it's never gonna happen.

wcr
10-03-2005, 02:56 PM
From Mirkaland's post:
"It would be great to have a [regular season] Masters Series event in Asia. There are a number of them in Europe and North America, and it would be great for one of them to come over here."

I certainly hope he's not hinting at moving the Indian Wells event to China.

ys
10-03-2005, 02:57 PM
South America does itself no justice by sticking with outdated surface that most of superstars try to avoid.

Masters Series should not be held in Asia until Asia manages to produce several world class players. No chicken before eggs..

landoud
10-03-2005, 03:01 PM
it would be great to have one in africa too

skel1983
10-03-2005, 03:05 PM
South America does itself no justice by sticking with outdated surface that most of superstars try to avoid.

Masters Series should not be held in Asia until Asia manages to produce several world class players. No chicken before eggs..


Firstly outdated surface???????????????????????????????????/

The reason the so called superstars don't travel to South America is because

1.it's not there favourite surface

2.The events are not big events

3.There are other events closer to home

4.the events on at the same stage are surfaces they are more happy on.

Do you really think Hewitt-Roddick-Federer would go to South America to play in International series events and have a harder time than playing events they are more comfortable on, no they won't if a TMS was held there in the clay court swing i would say over a period of a few years you will see all the top guys there. Out of date surface. ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!


Asia need to have players before they can hold events????????????????????????

Yes ok WE SHOULD TAKE WIMBLEDON AWAY FROM LONDON AS GB HAVE NOT HAD A WINNER FOR NEARLY A CENTURY AND ONLY HAVE HAD 2 PLAYERS IN THE TOP 100 IN THE LAST TEN YEARS!!!!

don't be stupid it's about what's best for the game, it will generate more investment, intrest and encourage Asian kids to pick up a raquet and this will benefit tennis as a whole!!!

star
10-03-2005, 03:05 PM
For example , 4 Masters Series in North American continent i think they are too many. Surely one of them should be moved to Asia.

I also consider that 3 clay Masters series in Europe are too many and it would be appropriate to move one of them to Argentina ...( According to my opinion Hamburg is the saddest masters series )

There are 5 TMS tournaments on the European continent (actually Europe isn't a continent since it is joined with what we call Asia -- Wouldn't it be better if that continent were called the Euroasia continent? Or even better the Asiaeuro continent? but I digress) and only four in North America. So, I think the self-described "International Man" should advocate donating a European TMS to Asia. :)

skel1983
10-03-2005, 03:09 PM
There are 5 TMS tournaments on the European continent (actually Europe isn't a continent since it is joined with what we call Asia -- Wouldn't it be better if that continent were called the Euroasia continent? Or even better the Asiaeuro continent? but I digress) and only four in North America. So, I think the self-described "International Man" should advocate donating a European TMS to Asia. :)


Europe's not a continent???
DO you mean in your opinion or do you actully think Europe is joined with Asia??

Timariot
10-03-2005, 03:11 PM
I like the idea of TMS event in Asia. The problem is, what event could be moved there?

-Spring HC season: no can do. Both IW and KB are well-estabilished events. Plus, there are no other events in Asia then to support it.

-Clay season: three TMS events sometimes do struggle to attract proper fields. However, again it would be impossible to move one of these events to Asia at the time when Tour is concentrated to Europe.

-Summer HC season: see above.

-Indoors TMS events: a real possibility. These events struggle, Stuttgart already died. If Madrid suffers same fate, perhaps it would be a time to start looking for a new TMS event, and given that there already are several Asian events post-USO which attract strong fields, it might be attractive.

-Tenth TMS event: not a good idea. Schedule is already crammed enough of high-profile events as it is.

-YEC permanently held in Asia: I like this event. Championship events have been at their most popular when they have become estabilished, annual events. WTA fans remember how much bigger event Chase Championships were when they were always held in MSG, NY. Attendance fell dramatically after it began to move around. A big mistake.

-TMS event on grass: I support this idea, but it is nigh impossible to execute. First of all, it is very difficult to fit on calendar. Wimbledon should be moved back at least 1 week. Second, there are no locations with both grass courts and sufficient infrastructure worthy of TMS event - other than Wimbledon. Halle is just a 32-draw and probably can't take bigger. Queens is struggling to accommodate 56-draw.

silverwhite
10-03-2005, 03:14 PM
I believe this has been discussed before and one of the ideas someone suggested involved moving a TMS to Asia before the AO which would solve the travel problems.

Timariot
10-03-2005, 03:18 PM
I believe this has been discussed before and one of the ideas someone suggested involved moving a TMS to Asia before the AO which would solve the travel problems.

But then you should start the season at around Christmas, or move AO back several weeks. Neither looks like a feasible option. Plus, Rebound Ace, not a good surface in tropical conditions...

Problem with many fan propositions is that you just can't decide "Hey, we don't have any tournaments played on snow, lets cancel some useless clay event and put Antarctica Open TMS into calendar instead". You need to have location, regional sponsorship, TV deals...

ys
10-03-2005, 03:20 PM
Do you really think Hewitt-Roddick-Federer would go to South America to play in International series events and have a harder time than playing events they are more comfortable on, no they won't if a TMS was held there in the clay court swing i would say over a period of a few years you will see all the top guys there. Out of date surface. ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!


Sure.. Take any South American event of February, switch it in time spot with Acapulco, put it on hardcourts similar to Indian Wells, and give it at least of a 1 million bucks ofprizemoney ( notice, none of these requests are outrageous ), and I guarantee that some of Hewitt/Roddick/Federer/Safin will chose it over Dubai, because it is practicailly the same timezone as IW/Miami..

Asia need to have players before they can hold events????????????????????????

Yes ok WE SHOULD TAKE WIMBLEDON AWAY FROM LONDON AS GB HAVE NOT HAD A WINNER FOR NEARLY A CENTURY

Can you even read? England had players before Wimbledon. And an English player won Wimbledon within last 30 years.. When an Asian player wins a Grand Slam then we talk..

don't be stupid it's about what's best for the game, it will generate more investment, intrest and encourage Asian kids to pick up a raquet and this will benefit tennis as a whole!!!

Don't be stupid.. Whatever interest was there was already waken up by Chang.. Japanese female players are competititve for ages.. Where are Japanese men? Chinese female players are a fast growing bunch.. Name me one Chinese male player. There is no much more interest hiding there. In three years Bejing Olympics are history, then what? Is Chinese Communist money is all you are looking for?

Margy
10-03-2005, 03:56 PM
The simple solution to giving Asia a Masters Series evnt is simpley to create a new one. There is no reason you can't add 1 more big event to the schedule. A TMS event is only 1 week long, the same as a regular tournament. You already have a bunch of events in Asia throughout the year and you do get a couple big names at each one. I'm pretty sure that most of the top players play at least 1 event in Asia each year.

Let the oficial TMS event rotate locations between whichever facilities are big enough to handle it and call it TMS Asia. Sort of like TMS Canada. It wouldn't be exactly the same since Canada bounces back and forth between Montreal/Toronto with the women/men switching locations. In Asia, the other events not designated as that year's TMS Asia site would just go on as a regular tournament. Unless, of course, you only have 2 sites capable of hosting the larger event in which case it could switch just like they do in Canada. I personally have no idea which sites in Asia are currently big enough to handle that size draw. Does anyone know?

And, yes, you'd have to designate which specific week in the schedule the official TMS would fall in, so that would affect other tournaments which would just have to shift a week up or back to accomodate it like they shift every 4 years for the Olympics. The effect on the smaller events would seem less of a problem than taking an existing TMS event away from anyone.

skel1983
10-03-2005, 04:02 PM
Sure.. Take any South American event of February, switch it in time spot with Acapulco, put it on hardcourts similar to Indian Wells, and give it at least of a 1 million bucks ofprizemoney ( notice, none of these requests are outrageous ), and I guarantee that some of Hewitt/Roddick/Federer/Safin will chose it over Dubai, because it is practicailly the same timezone as IW/Miami..



Can you even read? England had players before Wimbledon. And an English player won Wimbledon within last 30 years.. When an Asian player wins a Grand Slam then we talk..



Don't be stupid.. Whatever interest was there was already waken up by Chang.. Japanese female players are competititve for ages.. Where are Japanese men? Chinese female players are a fast growing bunch.. Name me one Chinese male player. There is no much more interest hiding there. In three years Bejing Olympics are history, then what? Is Chinese Communist money is all you are looking for?


I didn't know Asia was called CHINA!!! When did that happen, China this China that??? Wake up, why is the Masters Cup over there for the second time, that costs millions to win the location, because the organisers make millions and millions from advertisment, sponsers etc etc.The point is we need to get the superstars of the tennis game over there regular, for inspiration to these guys, ok there are a few women from Asia, but come on Women's tennis is not in the same league as men, look at SCrichapan he is a decent pro at best and he is seen as a king in his country, theres my point exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So for your info Asia is made up of more than just CHINA!

ys
10-03-2005, 04:02 PM
The simple solution to giving Asia a Masters Series evnt is simpley to create a new one. There is no reason you can't add 1 more big event to the schedule. A TMS event is only 1 week long, the same as a regular tournament. You already have a bunch of events in Asia throughout the year and you do get a couple big names at each one.

The problem is .. there is no timeslot for that.. By ATP unwritten rules, a month after a Grand Slam must be TMS-free.. And all other timespace is filled with TMSs.. The only remote possibility that I see is moving AO to be held one week later and then have a TMS in Asia on Rebound Ace during the second week of the season..

ys
10-03-2005, 04:04 PM
So for your info Asia is made up of more than just CHINA!

But I don't see any big ATP-related money from Asia coming from anywhere but China.. Show me the money..

Dirk
10-03-2005, 04:05 PM
I like the idea of TMS event in Asia. The problem is, what event could be moved there?

-Spring HC season: no can do. Both IW and KB are well-estabilished events. Plus, there are no other events in Asia then to support it.

-Clay season: three TMS events sometimes do struggle to attract proper fields. However, again it would be impossible to move one of these events to Asia at the time when Tour is concentrated to Europe.

-Summer HC season: see above.

-Indoors TMS events: a real possibility. These events struggle, Stuttgart already died. If Madrid suffers same fate, perhaps it would be a time to start looking for a new TMS event, and given that there already are several Asian events post-USO which attract strong fields, it might be attractive.

-Tenth TMS event: not a good idea. Schedule is already crammed enough of high-profile events as it is.

-YEC permanently held in Asia: I like this event. Championship events have been at their most popular when they have become estabilished, annual events. WTA fans remember how much bigger event Chase Championships were when they were always held in MSG, NY. Attendance fell dramatically after it began to move around. A big mistake.

-TMS event on grass: I support this idea, but it is nigh impossible to execute. First of all, it is very difficult to fit on calendar. Wimbledon should be moved back at least 1 week. Second, there are no locations with both grass courts and sufficient infrastructure worthy of TMS event - other than Wimbledon. Halle is just a 32-draw and probably can't take bigger. Queens is struggling to accommodate 56-draw.

I agree 100%. Replacing Madrid if it does fail with a Asia indoor masters is realistic. Grass master will never happen for the reasons you listed. This post is so good I wish I wrote it. :)

Margy
10-03-2005, 04:11 PM
The problem is .. there is no timeslot for that.. By ATP unwritten rules, a month after a Grand Slam must be TMS-free.. And all other timespace is filled with TMSs.. The only remote possibility that I see is moving AO to be held one week later and then have a TMS in Asia on Rebound Ace during the second week of the season..

Hmm, I guess I probably heard about that restriction somewhere but forgot about it. So how about the 1st week of the year. Open the year with a TMS event which guarantees everyone gets back right at the beginning. You already have Chennai and Doha that week, 2 "Asian" sites. The only other one scheduled that week is Adelaide. They can shift to a week later since everyone would be heading to Australia then anyway.

wcr
10-03-2005, 04:12 PM
-Indoors TMS events: a real possibility. These events struggle, Stuttgart already died. If Madrid suffers same fate, perhaps it would be a time to start looking for a new TMS event, and given that there already are several Asian events post-USO which attract strong fields, it might be attractive.

-Tenth TMS event: not a good idea. Schedule is already crammed enough of high-profile events as it is.

-YEC permanently held in Asia: I like this event. Championship events have been at their most popular when they have become estabilished, annual events. WTA fans remember how much bigger event Chase Championships were when they were always held in MSG, NY. Attendance fell dramatically after it began to move around. A big mistake.

The tournament folks in Paris were complaining loudly last year due to Roger's absence due to injury. A few other players no showed as well. Since the French aren't happy, move that one to China. I've attended that event a few times and it's certainly a lot easier for me to get there than to China but if the French aren't happy ......

Should the YEC be held anywhere permanently? Why shouldn't tournament locations be judged according to performance? By that I mean the players are satisfied making the trek (i.e., compensation is worthwhile); the location is hospitable to fans (reasonably priced hotels, easy transportation). The superbowl isn't held in a permanent location. The Olympics aren't held in a permanent location. Why should the YEC?

Shanghai is great for the local folks there who can watch matches live. For the rest of us tennis fans in the world we get to find out about match results via the internet and then how many actually tune in to watch a match (televised at a weird hour no less)?

nobama
10-03-2005, 05:59 PM
From Mirkaland's post:
"It would be great to have a [regular season] Masters Series event in Asia. There are a number of them in Europe and North America, and it would be great for one of them to come over here."

I certainly hope he's not hinting at moving the Indian Wells event to China.Me too....as that's the only place I get to see him. ;) But why do people assume he might be talking about IW? He could just as easily be talking about Cincy or one of the events in Europe...

Timariot
10-03-2005, 06:22 PM
Should the YEC be held anywhere permanently? Why shouldn't tournament locations be judged according to performance? By that I mean the players are satisfied making the trek (i.e., compensation is worthwhile); the location is hospitable to fans (reasonably priced hotels, easy transportation). The superbowl isn't held in a permanent location. The Olympics aren't held in a permanent location. Why should the YEC?


Why The Championships are always held at Wimbledon? Perhaps it should be moved around?

nobama
10-03-2005, 06:36 PM
Why The Championships are always held at Wimbledon? Perhaps it should be moved around?And the US Open is always held at Flushing Meadows, and the French is always heald at Roland Garros.

As far as moving a TMC, would it even be possible to move IW being that it's a co-ed event? Wouldn't the ATP and WTA have to agree on moving it to Asia or somewhere else?

Jimnik
10-03-2005, 06:56 PM
"It would be great to have a [regular season] Masters Series event in Asia. There are a number of them in Europe and North America, and it would be great for one of them to come over here."

Yes yes yes. :worship: Roger, I'm with you.
I've been debating the point for years now. Everybody seems to think it's impossible to move a slam to Asia - fine. But lets, at least, have an AMS event somewhere in this rapidly improving part of the world.

Western Europe and North America should cease their monopoly.

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 07:20 PM
There are 5 TMS tournaments on the European continent (actually Europe isn't a continent since it is joined with what we call Asia -- Wouldn't it be better if that continent were called the Euroasia continent? Or even better the Asiaeuro continent? but I digress) and only four in North America. So, I think the self-described "International Man" should advocate donating a European TMS to Asia. :)

I don't know what you learn in american ( north and south ) shools, but in Europe we learn that our continent is EUROPE NOT EURASIA ...

It's true that Europe has 5 MS and North American continent 4, but USA have 3, that is an unique country has 3 MS and the 5 MS in Europe are played in 5 different countries . I know USA are a huge country ( i guess bigger than Europe, if i'm not wrong ) but USA continue to be an unique country and i think it's very unfair that only a country has 3 MS , and if we count the number of international series that USA have :o

ys
10-03-2005, 07:28 PM
USA continue to be an unique country and i think it's very unfair that only a country has 3 MS , and if we count the number of international series that USA have :o

What's a problem? Just a question of money. Outside of Miami the right for any Masters event can be bought off for something like $10-15M.. Russian Federation used to consider buying the right from someone to get that status for Kremlin Cup, but they decided that it is too much money..

R.Federer
10-03-2005, 07:40 PM
More pictures here:

http://www.masters-cup.atponline.net/en/players/photogallery/default.asp

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 08:22 PM
What's a problem? Just a question of money. Outside of Miami the right for any Masters event can be bought off for something like $10-15M.. Russian Federation used to consider buying the right from someone to get that status for Kremlin Cup, but they decided that it is too much money..

Just a question of money ?? :o

ATP is a north american organization ( although in theory this should be a worlwide organization ) and benefits all the " north american " ..

There are a lot of cities in the world that would like to have a TMS and an internationat series event ( Have you counted how many international series USA have :eek: ?? )

You have just to visit ATP site to realize that it seems you are visiting almost the USTA site and not a worlwide site..( although in the last year ATP site made some changes improving the worlwide approach ).

For example when ATP site posts " ESPN will show this match at ..." ATP thinks that all ATP site visitors are north american ??? Why ATP site doesn't post the TV schedule for European , Asian countries etc ??.

Or for example Donald Young had a photo in his profile being the 700th in the world :eek: and some top 100 players hadn't it .

I could post hundred of examples showing that ATP is very little impartial..

PaulieM
10-03-2005, 08:42 PM
There are 5 TMS tournaments on the European continent (actually Europe isn't a continent since it is joined with what we call Asia -- Wouldn't it be better if that continent were called the Euroasia continent? Or even better the Asiaeuro continent? but I digress) and only four in North America. So, I think the self-described "International Man" should advocate donating a European TMS to Asia. :)
the "self-described international man" never said anything about moving one of the american tournaments specifically. ;)
"It would be great to have a [regular season] Masters Series event in Asia. There are a number of them in Europe and North America, and it would be great for one of them to come over here."

tennis is growing in popularity in asia especially with the olympics coming up etc. and i don't doubt that there will be a masters series event there in the near future. there are a lot of ways that they could rework the schedule but so far they haven't really bothered to do that.:shrug:

ys
10-03-2005, 09:01 PM
Just a question of money ?? :o

Everything is a question of money .. I thought you knew..

ATP is a north american organization ( although in theory this should be a worlwide organization ) and benefits all the " north american " ..


ATP is a commercial organization and will gladly give its services to any well paying customer..

There are a lot of cities in the world that would like to have a TMS and an internationat series event ( Have you counted how many international series USA have :eek: ?? )


As soon as they are capable of financially supporting the event on the level competitive to financial support it gets in USA or Europe, they will be getting those events.. Consider this.. ATP is a commercial organization that is selling its product - tournaments, and there are limited quantities of that prodct available. Meaning, that it's those who offer more will be getting it.. As soon as there will be more money in the sport and there will be more offers, they will bump the prizemoney of the sport to cut off those extras..

You have just to visit ATP site to realize that it seems you are visiting almost the USTA site and not a worlwide site..( although in the last year ATP site made some changes improving the worlwide approach ).

Do you know that tennis equipment producing industry is one biggest sponsor of the tour? And that it uses tournaments to advertise itself and sell that equipment.. I think that USA far outnumbers anyone else in the world by the number of recreational players who are a sport's major support base.

Whether you like it or not.. ATP is not USA-based.. It's just money-biased..

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 09:07 PM
Everything is a question of money .. I thought you knew..



ATP is a commercial organization and will gladly give its services to any well paying customer..



As soon as they are capable of financially supporting the event on the level competitive to financial support it gets in USA or Europe, they will be getting those events.. Consider this.. ATP is a commercial organization that is selling its product - tournaments, and there are limited quantities of that prodct available. Meaning, that it's those who offer more will be getting it.. As soon as there will be more money in the sport and there will be more offers, they will bump the prizemoney of the sport to cut off those extras..



Do you know that tennis equipment producing industry is one biggest sponsor of the tour? And that it uses tournaments to advertise itself and sell that equipment.. I think that USA far outnumbers anyone else in the world by the number of recreational players who are a sport's major support base.

Whether you like it or not.. ATP is not USA-based.. It's just money-biased..

I continue to think that ATP is the USTA's cousin . ATP is obviously based on money but also on 50-Star flag

Daniel
10-05-2005, 05:08 AM
Roger sure does clean up nicely!

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/t/p/2005-10-03/U574P6T12D1802175F44DT20051003175248.jpg


:drool:

nkhera1
10-05-2005, 05:12 AM
Moving TMS to South America and Asia is difficult travel wise and you will see less players showing up for these events unless you maybe get rid of the clay series in Europe or the indoor series in Europe and move it. Plus you also have to think about which places have a good market. I think Asia can have a good market, but they don't have the facilities. Same with South America. As for what Fed said I think he was just playing the crowd.

jacobhiggins
10-05-2005, 06:49 AM
Federer wants to change tennis history! He could do a lot for tennis, not only for himself but for the sport. He's a different type of champion then some we've seen in the past. He's taking a Front Seat to change Tennis!

monicain
10-05-2005, 08:57 AM
Madrid and Bercy and be moved to asia. Asia (and maybe together with Moskva) could create it's carpet indoor swing of the year, even leading to permanent year-end in Shanghai. Japan has been holding PanPacific which is a tier I for years. Eventhough it's right next to the Oz we still saw Graf, Hingis, Davenport, Sharapova and so on. Yonex has been with loads of #1 players and I don't think you'd considered Japan weak in term of financial support. China has proved to be an upcoming very successful market and also lots of good players. (to which kim's only loss go to?) I'm no Chinese nor japanese but I still cant understand why Madrid is still there with such a pathetic status. A spanish event on hardcourt indoor? Sounds very incompatible at the very beginning!

My wish for TMS: Indian Wells, Miami, Montecarlo, Roma, somewhere in spain, Canada, Cincinnati (we're about to go to NY, where else can we stop?), Moskva, Tokyo and end it up with Shanghai.

If Shanghai can create its facilities that good, why can't any grasscourt countries do so? :confused: