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Who will honestly come between Federer and More TMS Titles??

skel1983
10-03-2005, 10:28 AM
With Safin out of Madrid and lets face it a probable unfit Marat at Paris (if he does play)

Can we really see anyone even taking a set off Federer never mind beating him,what players have any chance if any???

Ljubicic for me is the only one who has a big enough game and the only one with the indoor pedigree, what do you think?

bad gambler
10-03-2005, 10:29 AM
federer won't lose another match this year

Chloe le Bopper
10-03-2005, 10:33 AM
federer won't lose another match this year
Probably true.

Yawn.

Doris Loeffel
10-03-2005, 10:39 AM
He still has to play and win these matches - any contender in the early rounds has a good chance...
And who knows he may have one of these rare bad days - which I hope he won't have;)

Even though I'm quite a big fan of him I wouldn't hand him these titles just like that.

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 10:39 AM
federer won't lose another match this year

I think Federer can be defeated before end of season and this loss would be on carpet..

The problem on carpet is that if your is opponent is a big server it's almost impossible to break him and when Federer faces a big server it exists the danger of reaching tie breaks and that the big server continues to serve amazingly.

I'm not telling Federer isn't a good carpet player at all, i'm only saying that on surfaces very fast like carpet ( not including grass ) Federer has more chances to fall than on hard , because on hard Federer has a lot of time during the set to break, but on carpet is quite difficult to break against a big server..

TennisGrandSlam
10-03-2005, 10:40 AM
With Safin out of Madrid and lets face it a probable unfit Marat at Paris (if he does play)

Can we really see anyone even taking a set off Federer never mind beating him,what players have any chance if any???

Ljubicic for me is the only one who has a big enough game and the only one with the indoor pedigree, what do you think?

Ljubicic lost to Federer in 3 Finals in early 2005 (Doha, Rotterdam, Dubai)

skel1983
10-03-2005, 10:43 AM
Ljubicic lost to Federer in 3 Finals in early 2005 (Doha, Rotterdam, Dubai)


Did you see those matches????

They were very close, correct me if i am wrong but at least one or maybe two went to 3rd set tiebreaks,Ljubicic was probably the closest to beating Federer in all his finals this year.

Laura12
10-03-2005, 10:56 AM
Did you see those matches????

They were very close, correct me if i am wrong but at least one or maybe two went to 3rd set tiebreaks,Ljubicic was probably the closest to beating Federer in all his finals this year.

The first one in Doha was in straight sets (6-3,6-1), the second one in Rotterdam was very tight (5-7, 7-5, 7-6) the third one in Dubai was also tight (6-1, 6-7, 6-3). They also met in Indian Wells in the round of 16 and Federer won 7-6,7-6. Ljubicic was the closest to winning a set of Federer at Indian Wells not to mention the closest to win a final (Rotterdam)

TennisGrandSlam
10-03-2005, 11:15 AM
The first one in Doha was in straight sets (6-3,6-1), the second one in Rotterdam was very tight (5-7, 7-5, 7-6) the third one in Dubai was also tight (6-1, 6-7, 6-3). They also met in Indian Wells in the round of 16 and Federer won 7-6,7-6. Ljubicic was the closest to winning a set of Federer at Indian Wells not to mention the closest to win a final (Rotterdam)


you should change your signature :) (2005: 11 Titles)

Laura12
10-03-2005, 11:19 AM
you should change your signature :) (2005: 11 Titles)
I should, thanks for making me aware of that. :)

TheMightyFed
10-03-2005, 11:50 AM
Fed is good

Fergie
10-03-2005, 12:44 PM
federer won't lose another match this year
That's true! :yeah:

gillian
10-03-2005, 12:52 PM
federer won't lose another match this year

I find this so hard to believe. I figured with 3 more tournaments left to play, he'd lose at least one or two matches. Still, he did say after the USO that he felt refreshed, so.....

bad gambler
10-03-2005, 12:54 PM
I find this so hard to believe. I figured with 3 more tournaments left to play, he'd lose at least one or two matches. Still, he did say after the USO that he felt refreshed, so.....


as the thread starter said - i would give safin a chance in Paris given he owns the tournament over the past few years but will he be fully fit?

oneandonlyhsn
10-03-2005, 12:56 PM
And people complain that Fed fans are the ones that start the threads on Fed

RogiFan88
10-03-2005, 01:01 PM
Fed has to lose sometime and indoor carpet [Paris Bercy] is a good place to start [is TMC Shanghai really outdoor carpet? really??].

Some Spaniard can beat him in Madrid... ;)

Probably some Argie will beat him in Basel... ;) He's already lost the final twice there [to Enqvist and to his old nemesis Henman].

Lee
10-03-2005, 08:07 PM
Probably some Argie will beat him in Basel... ;) He's already lost the final twice there [to Enqvist and to his old nemesis Henman].

I was thinking exactly the same thing. He may lost in Basel.

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 08:42 PM
Some Spaniard can beat him in Madrid... ;.

If you are thinking in Nadal..... Nadal usually arrived to the end of season off form and this season he feels the story could happen again, because his petrol tank is low after a season plenty of a lot of matches and also thanks for a stupid schedule ( I have always wondered if Nadal's schedule of tournaments is made by his enemy )

stebs
10-03-2005, 09:24 PM
I think Federer can be defeated before end of season and this loss would be on carpet..

The problem on carpet is that if your is opponent is a big server it's almost impossible to break him and when Federer faces a big server it exists the danger of reaching tie breaks and that the big server continues to serve amazingly.

I'm not telling Federer isn't a good carpet player at all, i'm only saying that on surfaces very fast like carpet ( not including grass ) Federer has more chances to fall than on hard , because on hard Federer has a lot of time during the set to break, but on carpet is quite difficult to break against a big server..

I would say a surface like this is good for Fed, he loves very fast courts for the reason that he is all but unbreakable on them due to serve variety and % but he is awesome at breaking the big servers.

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 09:29 PM
I would say a surface like this is good for Fed, he loves very fast courts for the reason that he is all but unbreakable on them due to serve variety and % but he is awesome at breaking the big servers.

Fed loves more fast hard courts than carpet .

stebs
10-03-2005, 09:35 PM
Fed loves more fast hard courts than carpet .

so your saying now he thinks crpets are too slow? but in your lprevious post you said he thinks them too fats? WHAT?

R.Federer
10-03-2005, 09:38 PM
His carpet performance has not been stellar since he starts on his winning streaks
He has also lost to Novak and maybe hrbaty on the carpet
I think it is difficult to say he get unbeaten the rest of the year, especially because the T.M.C includes the best players (but I would like to see him beat the McEnroe record 84-3)

wowfed
10-03-2005, 09:44 PM
Federer is scheduled to play Madrid, Basel and Paris masters which take place in 3 consecutive weeks. He seems to be inclined to play at Basel as its in his home country.. If he were to go undefeated in these events it means he will have to win 15 matches in 3 weeks. I think thats too much to ask.
If Fed is keen on keeping his winning streak alive, he should skip at least one of these three events in Oct and play Masters cup in Nov. He has a golden chance to get to Villas winning streak of 50 wins. He shouldn't take any risk by playing all thes events.

With Safin out of Madrid and lets face it a probable unfit Marat at Paris (if he does play)

Can we really see anyone even taking a set off Federer never mind beating him,what players have any chance if any???

Ljubicic for me is the only one who has a big enough game and the only one with the indoor pedigree, what do you think?

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 09:49 PM
so your saying now he thinks crpets are too slow? but in your lprevious post you said he thinks them too fats? WHAT?
:confused: :confused: :confused:


I haven't talked about Federer's opinion regarding courts speed at all .

I have just said that Fed is more comfortable playing on a fast hard ourt ( as for example Decoturf ) than playing on carpet ..

And i've also said that according my opinion Fed is more vulnerable on carpet than on hard courts..

But i consider Fed as an amazing carpet player ...( In fact he's amazing on all the surfaces :worship: )

LLeytonRules
10-03-2005, 09:49 PM
My guess is that he will skip Paris, he will play Madrid, since he didnt go last year and people where upset about it, and then Basel and then skip Paris and be ready for Shan.

adee-gee
10-03-2005, 09:51 PM
federer won't lose another match this year

Tragic isn't it.

wowfed
10-03-2005, 09:53 PM
My guess is that he will skip Paris, he will play Madrid, since he didnt go last year and people where upset about it, and then Basel and then skip Paris and be ready for Shan.
That sounds like a good schedule for him. If he skips Paris and heads to Shanghai he will have more time to get adjusted and prepare as well.
BTW what do people think of Nadal's chances to upset Fed at Madrid ?
Its being played at Nadal's home country and he might pose a threat to Fed..
Fed has handled NY crowd very well while playing Agassi so Im not too sure if he will be shank..

adee-gee
10-03-2005, 09:54 PM
That sounds like a good schedule for him. If he skips Paris and heads to Shanghai he will have more time to get adjusted and prepare as well.
BTW what do people think of Nadal's chances to upset Fed at Madrid ?
Its being played at Nadal's home country and he might pose a threat to Fed..
Fed has handled NY crowd very well while playing Agassi so Im not too sure if he will be shank..

Federer is scared of Nadal ;) Rafa can beat him on any surface, he's one of the few that has the belief that he can beat Federer.

wowfed
10-03-2005, 09:58 PM
Federer is scared of Nadal ;) Rafa can beat him on any surface, he's one of the few that has the belief that he can beat Federer.
Nah.. I don't think Fed is scared of Nadal. Too early to say that. Its not like Nadal has some 10-1 h2h lead over Fed at the moment. He only has 2-1 lead and one of the matches where Fed won was too close. Clay and slow hard court surfaces are the only ones where Nadal stands a chance. Federer will destroy Nadal on Grass or on a faster hard court like USO.

wowfed
10-03-2005, 10:01 PM
Federer is scared of Nadal ;) Rafa can beat him on any surface, he's one of the few that has the belief that he can beat Federer.
Even on clay which is supposed to be Nadal's most favorite(and Fed's least favorite), Fed took a set off Nadal.

adee-gee
10-03-2005, 10:03 PM
Even on clay which is supposed to be Nadal's most favorite(and Fed's least favorite), Fed took a set off Nadal.

On hard (which Rafa can't play on according to some intelligent people on here) Nadal spanked Federer 6-3 6-3, then would've tonked him 3 sets to 0 in the final of Miami this year if he hadn't been screwed by a line judge.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-03-2005, 10:07 PM
Adee-gee you just wrote one of the most intelligent posts.
But you know when Nadal won Fed was hurt..or throwing up..or it was dark..his foot was hurt...or...

Federer Karate Chop

adee-gee
10-03-2005, 10:08 PM
Adee-gee you just wrote one of the most intelligent posts.

:inlove:

Sjengster
10-03-2005, 10:10 PM
If Federer knew how to move his feet on a backhand volley, Nadal wouldn't have been two sets up in the first place.

I realise this was a missed shot rather than a line-judging error, so the two things aren't quite comparable.

adee-gee
10-03-2005, 10:11 PM
If Federer knew how to move his feet on a backhand volley, Nadal wouldn't have been two sets up in the first place.

I realise this was a missed shot rather than a line-judging error, so the two things aren't quite comparable.

Federer's backhand volley looked decidedly poor in the DC doubles against GB as well :shrug:

wowfed
10-03-2005, 10:15 PM
On hard (which Rafa can't play on according to some intelligent people on here) Nadal spanked Federer 6-3 6-3, then would've tonked him 3 sets to 0 in the final of Miami this year if he hadn't been screwed by a line judge.
Oh really.. What went wrong in the fourth set.. If he is a player who gets upset and looses focus of a important match over a line call then its his own problem. All that happened in that match is Nadal ran like Carl Lewis for the first three sets. He had absolutely no gas by the end of third set. Again its Nadal's own problem. He should learn to keep his cool and conserve energy to survive in 5 setters. Its not the first time it happened this year. Even at AO he ran out of gas and lost to Hewitt. Instead of running around like a rabbit in these matches if he had played smart tennis he would have beaten Fed and Hewitt..
I love Nadal for his shot making, those incredible top spins and the ability to get to impossible balls. Nadal has enoromous talent to beat Fed. We have witnessed that on slower hard court and clay. Nadal's ability to retrieve the impossible balls, work well on these surfaces. I haven't seen those skills working for him on faster hard courts at all. I will wait for him to prove before making such judgements. I won't worry too much about Nadal having a h2h lead over Fed at the moment. Fed has reversed such h2h over so many players over the years.. Even a looser like Henman had a winning h2h over Fed.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-03-2005, 10:17 PM
Nadal's stamina has improved since miami.
Plus it was him first big final. So nerves played a factor.

Lee
10-03-2005, 10:18 PM
Adam, should I take your posts here SERIOUSLY?

Sjengster
10-03-2005, 10:19 PM
Federer's backhand volley looked decidedly poor in the DC doubles against GB as well :shrug:

Just about everything he hit at the net looked poor in that match - let's not forget that classic forehand sitter at 5-3, 30-30 on his serve in the third set that he managed to push over the baseline when the whole court was wide open down the middle. And this is probably the best net player at the top of the men's game right now.

wowfed
10-03-2005, 10:19 PM
Nadal's stamina has improved since miami.
Plus it was him first big final. So nerves played a factor.
Ok.. No problem. But still let him prove his skills by beating Fed at Wimbledon or USO. I do insist that Fed shanks on clay. I will wait for him to prove his worth on clay. Let him beat a genuine clay courters like Nadal,Kuerten, or Ferrero(assuming they are healthy and on top of their game)..

Sjengster
10-03-2005, 10:20 PM
Fed shanks on just about every surface, but they are more frequent, more exaggerated and more damaging (to himself) on clay.

wowfed
10-03-2005, 10:21 PM
Federer's backhand volley looked decidedly poor in the DC doubles against GB as well :shrug:
Oh yeah.. But who was he playing.. Greg and Murray...on clay.. ROFTLMAO...

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 10:23 PM
I won't worry too much about Nadal having a h2h lead over Fed at the moment. Fed has reversed such h2h over so many players over the years.. Even a looser like Henman had a winning h2h over Fed.

The difference is that Nadal is the only player in the ATP with two victories against Federer since he's the nº1 , all the 3 matches have been played being Federer the nº1 . This head to head has significance , on the other hand , others head to head , like Federer-Henman and Federer-Nalbandian haven't importance since a lot of matches were played when Federer wasn't the player he is nowadays yet , were played when Fed wasn't nº1 and his mind was unstable

Sjengster
10-03-2005, 10:24 PM
wowfed, this was doubles, not singles - volleying well is important even on a claycourt, unless you're one of the Flayin' Chileans.

wowfed
10-03-2005, 10:29 PM
The difference is that Nadal is the only player in the ATP with two victories against Federer since he's the nº1 , all the 3 matches have been played being Federer the nº1 . This head to head has significance , on the other hand , others head to head , like Federer-Henman and Federer-Nalbandian haven't importance since a lot of matches were played when Federer wasn't the player he is nowadays yet , were played when Fed wasn't nº1 and his mind was unstable
Well.. Don't think Im not giving Nadal any credit. This h2h he has is a ongoing one. That too based on 3 matches. Let him get a h2h of 7-2 or 10-4. Then we will talk. This is the first year where Nadal has been to top 5.
Lets see how far he gets to defend his titles next year. Im curious to see if he learns to manage his schedule next year and improve his game on other surfaces as well. Im curious to see if he is going to mature and be a consistent rival to Fed or end up becoming a Ferrero or Moya...

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 10:37 PM
Well.. Don't think Im not giving Nadal any credit. This h2h he has is a ongoing one. That too based on 3 matches. Let him get a h2h of 7-2 or 10-4. Then we will talk. This is the first year where Nadal has been to top 5.
Lets see how far he gets to defend his titles next year. Im curious to see if he learns to manage his schedule next year and improve his game on other surfaces as well. Im curious to see if he is going to mature and be a consistent rival to Fed or end up becoming a Ferrero or Moya...

Please do not compare Nadal with Ferrero or Moya :eek: ( Nadal's statistics at 19 years talk about he will be one of the all-time great players , on the other hand Moya and Ferrero are just great players in their decade.)

In fact within some months ( at 20 ) , Nadal will be the second best all-time teenager in ATP history behind Borg.

wowfed
10-03-2005, 10:45 PM
Please do not compare Nadal with Ferrero or Moya :eek: ( Nadal's statistics at 19 years talk about he will be one of the all-time great players , on the other hand Moya and Ferrero are just great players in their decade.)

In fact within some months ( at 20 ) , Nadal will be the second all-time best teenager in ATP history behind Borg.
Where did I compare Nadal to Ferrero or Moya ? I mentioned Ferrero and Moya only because of the way they are struggling with injuries.
Nadal has had a crazy insane schedule this year. Only landmark achivements of Nadal this year are his RG, 3 masters events and his performance at Miami final. Well Im sure there have been many players in the last 15-20 years who have won a French and couple of clay court masters. So what is the big deal ? Based on one year's stats we want to call him the next Borg ? .
I won't be surprised if he gets injured too early unless he spans his schedule better.. What was the need to play 20+ tournaments this year. Unless he is healthy he is not going to defend half the titles he has won this year. If people wants to state their wishful thinkings and hallucinations as valid facts then I can't help.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-03-2005, 10:47 PM
He can play 20+ tournaments because he is one of the most fit players.

wowfed
10-03-2005, 10:47 PM
Nadal's statistics at 19 years talk about he will be one of the all-time great players
This is as ridiculous as some people claiming Fed's gonna beat Pete's slams...
Whats the hurry to make such claims ? LOL.. :bounce:

wowfed
10-03-2005, 10:50 PM
He can play 20+ tournaments because he is one of the most fit players.
One of the most fit players .. ROFT.. Again based on his one year's performance ? Come back with a claim like that when he competes for 20 years at RG and makes it to a final...
Whatever my dear.. If it gets through your night.. LOL.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-03-2005, 10:51 PM
He is 19. Gasquet is the same age and many are younger. He is more fit than them.

Do you resort to personal attacks because you are losing..Dear.

wowfed
10-03-2005, 10:58 PM
He is 19. Gasquet is the same age and many are younger. He is more fit than them.

Do you resort to personal attacks because you are losing..Dear.
Ok.. If you want to compare his fitness to Gasquet then you are good honey.
Alright he is one of the most fit player we have seen this year. Can he carry on playing 20+ events year after year ? You decide for yourself.

Do I resort to personal attacks... ? Am I loosing ?
If you think Im loosing to people calling Fed as the greatest and Nadal as the next Borg then .. LOL. You make your call. I'm belive firmly in whatever comments I made. I do go ga-ga over Fed and Nadal for their performance and titles. But won't jump to claim they are the greatest ever.. In my opinion its too damn early to make such claims. Thats all. I'm sorry if u thought my comments as personal attacks. I did not mean to do that at all.

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 10:59 PM
Where did I compare Nadal to Ferrero or Moya ? I mentioned Ferrero and Moya only because of the way they are struggling with injuries.
Nadal has had a crazy insane schedule this year..

I agree that Nadal's schedule is insane, in fact i usually say that Nadal's schedule is made by his enemy .

Only landmark achivements of Nadal this year are his RG, 3 masters events and his performance at Miami final. Well Im sure there have been many players in the last 15-20 years who have won a French and couple of clay court masters. So what is the big deal ? Based on one year's stats we want to call him the next Borg ? ..

The difference is that those " many players in the last 15-20 years " were older than Nadal . Nadal's merit is to make these things being so young.
Nadal's amazing facts didn't begin this season . Last year he had made great things if he hadn't been injured.
I think and it's a personal opinion, Nadal will become all time best claycourter and his stastistics on clay scare ( For example the current Nadal's % of victories on clay , Borg only reached it after winning 6 Roland Garros at 26 years ).

AgassiDomination
10-03-2005, 11:02 PM
Whats the name of this thread again?

wowfed
10-03-2005, 11:05 PM
The difference is that those " many players in the last 15-20 years " were older than Nadal . Nadal's merit is to make these things being so young.
Nadal's amazing facts didn't begin this season . Last year he had made great things if he hadn't been injured.
I think and it's a personal opinion, Nadal will become all time best claycourter and his stastistics on clay scare ( For example the current Nadal's % of victories on clay , Borg only reached it after winning 6 Roland Garros at 26 years ).
Yes Nadal's statistics on clay this year are really damn good. Im not argueing with that. You want to see Nadal's % of victories on clay, but I want him to win RG for 6-7 straight years. This is exactly why I feel he should manage his schedule better to stand a chance of getting closer to any of those records of Borg. You want to claim Nadal will become all time best claycourter. I feel I should wait for him to see if he has got what it takes to do it for so many years. Don't you think my points are fair enough ? Im confused why some people out here are calling it a personal attack..

wowfed
10-03-2005, 11:06 PM
Whats the name of this thread again?
ROFT .. Can somebody change the title of the thread please...... :)

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 11:12 PM
This is as ridiculous as some people claiming Fed's gonna beat Pete's slams...
Whats the hurry to make such claims ? LOL.. :bounce:

I'm just doing a projection of future.

According to the statistics ( not including Nadal ) , Borg (16) , Wilander ( 13), Becker (12) , Agassi (10) were the players with more ATP titles won as teenagers..

If these 4 players being adult continued to make great things and becoming one of the best all time players, why not Nadal can do the same ??

Why not Nadal ??

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-03-2005, 11:13 PM
I apologise wowfed, I took offence when you didn't mean any.
You have a point maybe people should wait a few years before judging Fed and Nadal.

wowfed
10-03-2005, 11:15 PM
I apologise wowfed, I took offence when you didn't mean any.
You have a point maybe people should wait a few years before judging Fed and Nadal.
Im glad we sorted this out.. :)

AgassiDomination
10-03-2005, 11:18 PM
I'm just doing a projection of future.

According to the statistics ( not including Nadal ) , Borg (16) , Wilander ( 13), Becker (12) , Agassi (10) were the players with more ATP titles won as teenagers..

If these 4 players being adult continued to make great things and becoming one of the best all time players, why not Nadal can do the same ??

Why not Nadal ??

Well maybe because they ruled tennis on more than just one surface. Now i'm not sure about this, but did anyone speculate that these people would be some of the all time greats when they were teenagers? And how many teenage players are there that didnt make it big? Its too early! We don't know if Nadal will become a threat on grass or hardcourts. ITS TOO EARLY!!!

megadeth
10-03-2005, 11:20 PM
I think Federer can be defeated before end of season and this loss would be on carpet..

The problem on carpet is that if your is opponent is a big server it's almost impossible to break him and when Federer faces a big server it exists the danger of reaching tie breaks and that the big server continues to serve amazingly.

I'm not telling Federer isn't a good carpet player at all, i'm only saying that on surfaces very fast like carpet ( not including grass ) Federer has more chances to fall than on hard , because on hard Federer has a lot of time during the set to break, but on carpet is quite difficult to break against a big server..

Your analysis is totally wrong. For these reasons:

1. if fed’s a god on grass, the fastest surface, how can the fast pace of carpet be a problem?
2. how can he be in “danger” when he reaches tiebreaks? Have you seen his tiebreak records lately? Particularly in the USO? None of them were close!
3. fed has more chances of losing on clay, the slow courts. Not the fast ones.

Have you been even watching tennis this year?

wowfed
10-03-2005, 11:20 PM
I'm just doing a projection of future.

According to the statistics ( not including Nadal ) , Borg (16) , Wilander ( 13), Becker (12) , Agassi (10) were the players with more ATP titles won as teenagers..

If these 4 players being adult continued to make great things and becoming one of the best all time players, why not Nadal can do the same ??

Why not Nadal ??
When did I say Nadal can't do it ? I will be the first one to applaud if he does it. You choose to make a projection, but I don't.
I find such projections which go way into the future as ridiculous. Its not just with Nadal. I find the same claims on Federer also ridiculous.
Simply because I haven't seen the future. See the difference.
I enjoy tennis more than the players thenselves. We are two different people with different opinions. Hope we both can live with that .

wowfed
10-03-2005, 11:22 PM
Well maybe because they ruled tennis on more than just one surface. Now i'm not sure about this, but did anyone speculate that these people would be some of the all time greats when they were teenagers? And how many teenage players are there that didnt make it big? Its too early! We don't know if Nadal will become a threat on grass or hardcourts. ITS TOO EARLY!!!
That's exactly what I was struggling to say. Thanks Agassidomination. You made it sound so simple to understand.. :)

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 11:29 PM
Well maybe because they ruled tennis on more than just one surface. Now i'm not sure about this, but did anyone speculate that these people would be some of the all time greats when they were teenagers? And how many teenage players are there that didnt make it big? Its too early! We don't know if Nadal will become a threat on grass or hardcourts. ITS TOO EARLY!!!

Nadal has been always a winner .

When he was just a kid, only Gasquet was better than him, he was the second best player in the world.

When he reached ATP tour in 2003, some fans with no idea about tennis said " This boy hasn't talent, his serve is horrible, his backhand is bad , he will never be a top player ( two years later he became the fourth youngest player to reach second position in entry ranking ) .

I think all the signs show that if there isn't no strange thing, Nadal will continue this succesful career, but Nadal has only had a problem, to coincide with Federer in the same time of the history , because in another time of the history Nadal had already been the youngest player to reach nº1 position ..

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-03-2005, 11:33 PM
Nadal appears to be a fighter who won't stop trying to improve.

wowfed
10-03-2005, 11:37 PM
I think all the signs show that if there isn't no strange thing, Nadal will continue this succesful career, but Nadal has only had a problem, to coincide with Federer in the same time of the history , because in another time of the history Nadal had already been the youngest player to reach nº1 position ..
Yes.. Only strange thing Im worried about is his fitness over a period of 10-12 years. Id be crushed if a talented player like him have to stop playing because of bad management of schedule and injuries.

Im happy that he is coinciding with Federer at the same time of the history. We need classic rivalries to build up in men's tennis. Their constant meeting in the big matches will expose who is the better player on all surfaces.
Its also going to expose the weak spots these two players have in their game.
Its ridiculous to see top 5 players loosing to Federer for 8-10 straight times. I hope youngsters like Berdych, Gasquet, Safin and Hewitt remain consistent next year and give a tough challenge to Fed and Nadal. That will put a end to people claiming Fed's dominance on a weak field.

Galaxystorm
10-04-2005, 12:24 AM
Your analysis is totally wrong. For these reasons:

1. if fed’s a god on grass, the fastest surface, how can the fast pace of carpet be a problem??

Grass-carpet , although both courts are the fastest , bounce of the ball and another facts are different

Grass is a very unique court , and only a few players really love playing on grass , for example Safin hates to play on grass but loves playing on carpet and for example Roddick's serve will be more dangerous on grass , but his fave court is hard ... .


As Federer says a lot of times " To play well on grass you have to love this surface ", and Federer's fave court is grass, on the other hand some years ago he said about Paris-Bercy surface ( Taraflex ) that it was too fast and sticky for his liking.


2.how can he be in “danger” when he reaches tiebreaks? Have you seen his tiebreak records lately? Particularly in the USO? None of them were close!?
I know perfectly Roger's record in the tiebreaks therefore i know he's a good tiebreaker, in fact i love statistics and spend my time doing a lot of them ..

I will repeat what i've said " The problem on carpet is that if your is opponent is a big server it's almost impossible to break him and when Federer faces a big server it exists the danger of reaching tie breaks and that the big server continues to serve amazingly.

Federer has more chances to fall than on hard , because on hard Federer has a lot of time during the set to break, but on carpet is quite difficult to break against a big server..

But i consider Fed as an amazing carpet player ...( In fact he's amazing on all the surfaces )
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3.fed has more chances of losing on clay, the slow courts. Not the fast ones. ?

Why are you talking about clay ?? i haven't said no word about clay . I'VE ONLY SAID THAT IN MY OPINION FEDERER LOVES MORE PLAYING ON A FAST HARD COURT THAN ON CARPET AND BESIDEs I'VE SAID HE'S AN AMAZING CARPETCOURTER , but i think he's more vulnerable on carpet than on a fast hard court, and i've said more vulnerable, not that i consider he's vulnerable , IT'S DIFFERENT

Have you been even watching tennis this year?

hahahahahhah. You remind me a person who reads books about tennis and he thinks that he knows a lot about this sport...

Mate, tennis is something more than the theory ...

And when you want, we can compare our tennistic wise..

PS: You know less about tennis than you think

I'm gonna sleep..

LLeytonRules
10-04-2005, 12:31 AM
Nadal still hasnt proven crap.We will see what results he post in 06, he too me is still a clay courter and nothing more, yes he has won some hard court titles, lets see him win a GS thats not in clay!

Corey Feldman
10-04-2005, 12:38 AM
A few dangerous players could take Federer indoors if roger wasnt at his best... Nalbi, ljub, hrbaty, mirnyi, soderling or stepanek on top form... dent, rusedski.
but i know someone who wont beat him, Nadal.

nobama
10-04-2005, 01:10 AM
Yes.. Only strange thing Im worried about is his fitness over a period of 10-12 years. Id be crushed if a talented player like him have to stop playing because of bad management of schedule and injuries.

Im happy that he is coinciding with Federer at the same time of the history. We need classic rivalries to build up in men's tennis. Their constant meeting in the big matches will expose who is the better player on all surfaces.
Its also going to expose the weak spots these two players have in their game.
Its ridiculous to see top 5 players loosing to Federer for 8-10 straight times. I hope youngsters like Berdych, Gasquet, Safin and Hewitt remain consistent next year and give a tough challenge to Fed and Nadal. That will put a end to people claiming Fed's dominance on a weak field.Well right now Roger and Rafa can only meet in finals, so how often will they really meet each other? Roger's proven he can compete and win on all surfaces. Nadal hasn't yet proven he can beat the best on hc, grass, carpet. Ok he beat Agassi in Montreal. But that's just one time. Until he can really threaten on these surfaces I don't see him and Roger meeting often except on the dirt.

deliveryman
10-04-2005, 01:10 AM
what are you talking about?

Roddick's serve is better suited for fast hardcourts than grass.

Roddick has a great second serve with a whole lot of kick on it, which gets neutralized on grass. However on hardcourts, it takes that kick and is a lot harder to handle.

wowfed
10-04-2005, 01:22 AM
Well right now Roger and Rafa can only meet in finals, so how often will they really meet each other? Roger's proven he can compete and win on all surfaces. Nadal hasn't yet proven he can beat the best on hc, grass, carpet. Ok he beat Agassi in Montreal. But that's just one time. Until he can really threaten on these surfaces I don't see him and Roger meeting often except on the dirt.
That's a valid point. Roger has proved to be more consistent at reaching finals (or later stages of tournaments) than Nadal at the moment. Untill Nadal reaches finals consistently and plays Federer we will never know for sure if Nadal has a allround game suited on all the surfaces. He might have beaten any of the other players on grass/hard courts.But Nadal's benchmark is to beat Federer consistently on all surfaces. He own's Federer 1-0 only on Clay and tied at 1-1 on slower hard courts.