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2006: order will be restored in Top 5.

prima donna
10-02-2005, 04:47 PM
2006, will be the year during which order is finally restored over the ATP Tour; Rafael Nadal will drop to #5 in the world, a healthy Marat Safin will bring his A game and probably end up #3 in the world, behind a more consistent and pesky opponent in Hewitt, while Andy Roddick will fall in at #4... of course Roger will maintain his #1 ranking.

Richard Gasquet will move into the Top 10, Murray will move into the Top 50 and probably linger around that number for the year. He may have a bit of a let-down year, because he'll be making adjustments to his game and sort of in an experimentation process.

#1 - Roger Federer ( We all know why )
#2 -Lleyton Hewitt (Consistency, Consistency, Consistency) - Final - AO, SF - Wimbledon, SF - U.S Open
#3 - Marat Safin ( About the only player that can honestly even challenge Roger shot for shot and put pressure on him, maybe this will be the year he gets his head together)
#4 - Andy Roddick - Solid on Grass, solid on Hard, anemic on Clay; however, his posted results are consistent enough to win most tournaments without Roger in the draw (or Lleyton)
#5 - Rafael Nadal - This year was a bit of a fluke, many players simply did not know his game and he entered lots of tournaments got lucky players withdrew was left with the usual clay court suspects (i.e; ferrero, coria). He's somehow escaped players like Safin, Hewitt and Roddick. Roddick bageled him in NYC, Hewitt sent him home in Australia, Safin's height of 6'5" and tremendous talent would not struggle much with Nadal's moonballs.
Safin is much better on Grass, Hard, Indoors and he's not too bad on Grass when he applies himself. Federer fans never fear, if Roger doesn't handle him, then someone in The Top 5 will. :) -- My prediction is that he won't even be
consistent enough with all the top dogs back to even meet up with Roger.

---- BTW, possibly with a few more cortisone shots and barring serious injury, Agassi & Nadal would be in an dog fight for that #5 ranking.

I expect to see the younger players moving up and doing big things, inflicting chaos in early rounds (much like Berdych did to Fedex in Olympics of 04 and to Nadal in Cincy) --- they will be lurking, the field will have a lot more competition. Next year will not be a year to cakewalk through Hard Court events playing nobodies. Also, expect Ivan Ljubicic to seriously do damage. Fact is, next year: Healthy bodies, more experienced players.

With the Gasquet, Berdych, Murray, Monfils, Djokovic lurking in the field ... that spells trouble.

Defending points and pressure accompanied by this will spell trouble for Roger's so-called "nemesis"

The only way to avoid the inevitable is to hide on Clay. :)

Springy
10-02-2005, 04:51 PM
Rafael...n5?
impossible

Sjengster
10-02-2005, 04:51 PM
I would try to refute this crap, but I suspect the thread starter would be having a laugh at my expense.

mp3junkie
10-02-2005, 04:55 PM
2006, will be the year during which order is finally restored over the ATP Tour; Rafael Nadal will drop to #5 in the world, a healthy Marat Safin will bring his A game and probably end up #3 in the world, behind a more consistent and pesky opponent in Hewitt, while Andy Roddick will fall in at #4... of course Roger will maintain his #1 ranking.

Richard Gasquet will move into the Top 10, Murray will move into the Top 50 and probably linger around that number for the year. He may have a bit of a let-down year, because he'll be making adjustments to his game and sort of in an experimentation process.

#1 - Roger Federer ( We all know why )
#2 -Lleyton Hewitt (Consistency, Consistency, Consistency) - Final - AO, SF - Wimbledon, SF - U.S Open
#3 - Marat Safin ( About the only player that can honestly even challenge Roger shot for shot and put pressure on him, maybe this will be the year he gets his head together)
#4 - Andy Roddick - Solid on Grass, solid on Hard, anemic on Clay; however, his posted results are consistent enough to win most tournaments without Roger in the draw (or Lleyton)
#5 - Rafael Nadal - This year was a bit of a fluke, many players simply did not know his game and he entered lots of tournaments got lucky players withdrew was left with the usual clay court suspects (i.e; ferrero, coria). He's somehow escaped players like Safin, Hewitt and Roddick. Roddick bageled him in NYC, Hewitt sent him home in Australia, Safin's height of 6'5" and tremendous talent would not struggle much with Nadal's moonballs.
Safin is much better on Grass, Hard, Indoors and he's not too bad on Grass when he applies himself. Federer fans never fear, if Roger doesn't handle him, then someone in The Top 5 will. :) -- My prediction is that he won't even be
consistent enough with all the top dogs back to even meet up with Roger.

---- BTW, possibly with a few more cortisone shots and barring serious injury, Agassi & Nadal would be in an dog fight for that #5 ranking.

I expect to see the younger players moving up and doing big things, inflicting chaos in early rounds (much like Berdych did to Fedex in Olympics of 04 and to Nadal in Cincy) --- they will be lurking, the field will have a lot more competition. Next year will not be a year to cakewalk through Hard Court events playing nobodies. Also, expect Ivan Ljubicic to seriously do damage. Fact is, next year: Healthy bodies, more experienced players.

With the Gasquet, Berdych, Murray, Monfils, Djokovic lurking in the field ... that spells trouble.

Defending points and pressure accompanied by this will spell trouble for Roger's so-called "nemesis"

The only way to avoid the inevitable is to hide on Clay. :)

What an idiot....

mangoes
10-02-2005, 05:01 PM
HHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMM...............I think your imagination is stretching a bit too much.

uNIVERSE mAN
10-02-2005, 05:14 PM
2006 Top 10 will look something like:

1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Hewitt
4. Roddick
5. Gasquet
6. Safin
7. Nalbandian
8. Ferrero
9. Agassi
10. Coria

Merton
10-02-2005, 06:44 PM
Is this supposed to be one more Nadal-bashing thread? Or is it a 2006 prediction thread with Nadal-bashing as an added bonus?

cecilija
10-02-2005, 06:52 PM
Mirkalova is not a troll , she/he makes a good point.
next year will be a lot more difficult for Nadal
he will be the pressure to defend all his points and confirm his great year
besides players will be more used to his game

altought he will have a pretty good season, it will not be as good as the current season

:)

cecilija
10-02-2005, 06:54 PM
coria will be ranked above ferrero and gasquet i am sure
agassi will not be a top 10 for me
even he could not to play next year

2006 Top 10 will look something like:

1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Hewitt
4. Roddick
5. Gasquet
6. Safin
7. Nalbandian
8. Ferrero
9. Agassi
10. Coria

adidas11
10-02-2005, 07:01 PM
2006, will be the year during which order is finally restored over the ATP Tour; Rafael Nadal will drop to #5 in the world, a healthy Marat Safin will bring his A game and probably end up #3 in the world, behind a more consistent and pesky opponent in Hewitt, while Andy Roddick will fall in at #4... of course Roger will maintain his #1 ranking.

Richard Gasquet will move into the Top 10, Murray will move into the Top 50 and probably linger around that number for the year. He may have a bit of a let-down year, because he'll be making adjustments to his game and sort of in an experimentation process.

#1 - Roger Federer ( We all know why )
#2 -Lleyton Hewitt (Consistency, Consistency, Consistency) - Final - AO, SF - Wimbledon, SF - U.S Open
#3 - Marat Safin ( About the only player that can honestly even challenge Roger shot for shot and put pressure on him, maybe this will be the year he gets his head together)
#4 - Andy Roddick - Solid on Grass, solid on Hard, anemic on Clay; however, his posted results are consistent enough to win most tournaments without Roger in the draw (or Lleyton)
#5 - Rafael Nadal - This year was a bit of a fluke, many players simply did not know his game and he entered lots of tournaments got lucky players withdrew was left with the usual clay court suspects (i.e; ferrero, coria). He's somehow escaped players like Safin, Hewitt and Roddick. Roddick bageled him in NYC, Hewitt sent him home in Australia, Safin's height of 6'5" and tremendous talent would not struggle much with Nadal's moonballs.
Safin is much better on Grass, Hard, Indoors and he's not too bad on Grass when he applies himself. Federer fans never fear, if Roger doesn't handle him, then someone in The Top 5 will. :) -- My prediction is that he won't even be
consistent enough with all the top dogs back to even meet up with Roger.

---- BTW, possibly with a few more cortisone shots and barring serious injury, Agassi & Nadal would be in an dog fight for that #5 ranking.

I expect to see the younger players moving up and doing big things, inflicting chaos in early rounds (much like Berdych did to Fedex in Olympics of 04 and to Nadal in Cincy) --- they will be lurking, the field will have a lot more competition. Next year will not be a year to cakewalk through Hard Court events playing nobodies. Also, expect Ivan Ljubicic to seriously do damage. Fact is, next year: Healthy bodies, more experienced players.

With the Gasquet, Berdych, Murray, Monfils, Djokovic lurking in the field ... that spells trouble.

Defending points and pressure accompanied by this will spell trouble for Roger's so-called "nemesis"

The only way to avoid the inevitable is to hide on Clay. :)

i agree with 90% of this message. my shared sentiments almost to a tee.

Mechlan
10-02-2005, 07:28 PM
Not all of these predictions are um, off, but the important ones are. The top dogs still around next year with young prospects making runs? I can see that. Safin attaining some measure of consistency? Hmm... Agassi fighting for that top 5 spot? That I have trouble seeing. And let's not even mention Nadal.

uNIVERSE mAN
10-02-2005, 07:49 PM
Mirkalova is not a troll , she/he makes a good point.
next year will be a lot more difficult for Nadal
he will be the pressure to defend all his points and confirm his great year
besides players will be more used to his game

altought he will have a pretty good season, it will not be as good as the current season

:)

Maybe, but you fail to see the trend, Nadal is a workhorse, he plays a tremendous amount of matches, much more than Hewitt and Safin, he'll get more points than them by sheer amount of play, even if he doesn't back up his clay results from this year, but in my opinion he's an extremely tough clay court specialist so he should back up most of those points.

tennischick
10-02-2005, 07:53 PM
Maybe, but you fail to see the trend, Nadal is a workhorse, he plays a tremendous amount of matches, much more than Hewitt and Safin, he'll get more points than them by sheer amount of play, even if he doesn't back up his clay results from this year, but in my opinion he's an extremely tough clay court specialist so he should back up most of those points.
Rafa has a lot of points to defend next year. if he succeeds in defending them, he will not only remain a player to be reckoned with but he might very well become the new #1. either way, should make for an interesting 2006.

jacobhiggins
10-02-2005, 08:08 PM
After seeing Roger AGAIN have a remarkable year I don't think Nadal can dethrown Roger anytime soon!

mangoes
10-02-2005, 08:53 PM
coria will be ranked above ferrero and gasquet i am sure
agassi will not be a top 10 for me
even he could not to play next year


I disagree. Gasquet will pass Coria. Coria, while I believe is a top 10 player, he is losing his ability to close it out, and if he doesn't change that..........bye,bye top 10

I do not see Roger leaving the no. 1 seat. I really do not see Nadal leaving his no. 2 seat. But, there is still a bit of a question about Nadal. The only person I am sure will be in the top 5 next year apart from these two is Roddick. Hewitt...........??????? Safin, I question because of his injury and for no other reason.

If next year is a repeat of this year, then I will be very excited. We may see a major war next year between Roger and Rafael.

cecilija
10-02-2005, 08:57 PM
I disagree. next year Coria will be stronger than now
this season he came back of a big shoulder injury and tried to change his game.

besides gasquet is overrated as hell
his season will no be better than the current season

I disagree. Gasquet will pass Coria. Coria, while I believe is a top 10 player, he is losing his ability to close it out, and if he doesn't change that..........bye,bye top 10

mangoes
10-02-2005, 09:02 PM
I disagree. next year Coria will be stronger than now
this season he came back of a big shoulder injury and tried to change his game.

besides gasquet is overrated as hell
his season will no be better than the current season


Gasquet is extremely talented. He needs to work on the physical side of his game, but he has the ability to enter the top 10 next year. Furthermore, Gasquet had a very good season this year. Not as great as Rafael, but pretty good.

And as for Coria, his problems seem, in my opinion, to be not only physical but more mental.

zimzim
10-02-2005, 09:23 PM
I think Gasquet would finish in the top ten this season

Chloe le Bopper
10-02-2005, 09:27 PM
Yay! Another Rafa hating thread that is pretending to be something else :D Yeah, Roddick bagelling him in NYC in 2004 is TOTALLY relevant to "this year being a fluke". Genius!

Chloe le Bopper
10-02-2005, 09:27 PM
I think Gasquet would finish in the top ten this season
It is a possibility, for sure.

Chloe le Bopper
10-02-2005, 09:29 PM
Is this supposed to be one more Nadal-bashing thread? Or is it a 2006 prediction thread with Nadal-bashing as an added bonus?
;)

Galaxystorm
10-02-2005, 09:36 PM
2006, will be the year during which order is finally restored over the ATP Tour; Rafael Nadal will drop to #5 in the world, a healthy Marat Safin will bring his A game and probably end up #3 in the world, behind a more consistent and pesky opponent in Hewitt, while Andy Roddick will fall in at #4... of course Roger will maintain his #1 ranking.

Richard Gasquet will move into the Top 10, Murray will move into the Top 50 and probably linger around that number for the year. He may have a bit of a let-down year, because he'll be making adjustments to his game and sort of in an experimentation process.

#1 - Roger Federer ( We all know why )
#2 -Lleyton Hewitt (Consistency, Consistency, Consistency) - Final - AO, SF - Wimbledon, SF - U.S Open
#3 - Marat Safin ( About the only player that can honestly even challenge Roger shot for shot and put pressure on him, maybe this will be the year he gets his head together)
#4 - Andy Roddick - Solid on Grass, solid on Hard, anemic on Clay; however, his posted results are consistent enough to win most tournaments without Roger in the draw (or Lleyton)
#5 - Rafael Nadal - This year was a bit of a fluke, many players simply did not know his game and he entered lots of tournaments got lucky players withdrew was left with the usual clay court suspects (i.e; ferrero, coria). He's somehow escaped players like Safin, Hewitt and Roddick. Roddick bageled him in NYC, Hewitt sent him home in Australia, Safin's height of 6'5" and tremendous talent would not struggle much with Nadal's moonballs.
Safin is much better on Grass, Hard, Indoors and he's not too bad on Grass when he applies himself. Federer fans never fear, if Roger doesn't handle him, then someone in The Top 5 will. :) -- My prediction is that he won't even be
consistent enough with all the top dogs back to even meet up with Roger.

---- BTW, possibly with a few more cortisone shots and barring serious injury, Agassi & Nadal would be in an dog fight for that #5 ranking.

I expect to see the younger players moving up and doing big things, inflicting chaos in early rounds (much like Berdych did to Fedex in Olympics of 04 and to Nadal in Cincy) --- they will be lurking, the field will have a lot more competition. Next year will not be a year to cakewalk through Hard Court events playing nobodies. Also, expect Ivan Ljubicic to seriously do damage. Fact is, next year: Healthy bodies, more experienced players.

With the Gasquet, Berdych, Murray, Monfils, Djokovic lurking in the field ... that spells trouble.

Defending points and pressure accompanied by this will spell trouble for Roger's so-called "nemesis"

The only way to avoid the inevitable is to hide on Clay. :)

Maths aren't your best.. Your analysis reminds me those persons that have no idea about entry ranking points and how it works..

oneandonlyhsn
10-02-2005, 09:51 PM
besides gasquet is overrated as hell
his season will no be better than the current season

:scratch: Are we watching the same Gasquet

amierin
10-03-2005, 12:14 AM
2006, will be the year during which order is finally restored over the ATP Tour; Rafael Nadal will drop to #5 in the world, a healthy Marat Safin will bring his A game and probably end up #3 in the world, behind a more consistent and pesky opponent in Hewitt, while Andy Roddick will fall in at #4... of course Roger will maintain his #1 ranking.

Richard Gasquet will move into the Top 10, Murray will move into the Top 50 and probably linger around that number for the year. He may have a bit of a let-down year, because he'll be making adjustments to his game and sort of in an experimentation process.

#1 - Roger Federer ( We all know why )
#2 -Lleyton Hewitt (Consistency, Consistency, Consistency) - Final - AO, SF - Wimbledon, SF - U.S Open
#3 - Marat Safin ( About the only player that can honestly even challenge Roger shot for shot and put pressure on him, maybe this will be the year he gets his head together)
#4 - Andy Roddick - Solid on Grass, solid on Hard, anemic on Clay; however, his posted results are consistent enough to win most tournaments without Roger in the draw (or Lleyton)
#5 - Rafael Nadal - This year was a bit of a fluke, many players simply did not know his game and he entered lots of tournaments got lucky players withdrew was left with the usual clay court suspects (i.e; ferrero, coria). He's somehow escaped players like Safin, Hewitt and Roddick. Roddick bageled him in NYC, Hewitt sent him home in Australia, Safin's height of 6'5" and tremendous talent would not struggle much with Nadal's moonballs.
Safin is much better on Grass, Hard, Indoors and he's not too bad on Grass when he applies himself. Federer fans never fear, if Roger doesn't handle him, then someone in The Top 5 will. -- My prediction is that he won't even be
consistent enough with all the top dogs back to even meet up with Roger.

---- BTW, possibly with a few more cortisone shots and barring serious injury, Agassi & Nadal would be in an dog fight for that #5 ranking.

I expect to see the younger players moving up and doing big things, inflicting chaos in early rounds (much like Berdych did to Fedex in Olympics of 04 and to Nadal in Cincy) --- they will be lurking, the field will have a lot more competition. Next year will not be a year to cakewalk through Hard Court events playing nobodies. Also, expect Ivan Ljubicic to seriously do damage. Fact is, next year: Healthy bodies, more experienced players.

With the Gasquet, Berdych, Murray, Monfils, Djokovic lurking in the field ... that spells trouble.

Defending points and pressure accompanied by this will spell trouble for Roger's so-called "nemesis"

The only way to avoid the inevitable is to hide on Clay.

What are you on? :rolleyes:

Seems this is a Nadal bashing thread as others have said.

RogiFan88
10-03-2005, 12:23 AM
Nadal a fluke... yeah, right...

Jimnik
10-03-2005, 12:55 AM
2006 top ten:

1 Rafa
2 FedEx
3 Safin
4 ARod
5 Hewitt
6 Gasquet
7 Agassi
8 JCF
9 Nalba
10 Coria

deliveryman
10-03-2005, 01:31 AM
The only chance Rafa has at finishing #1, is if he wins the AO in 2006, and defends RG, along with his 8 other claycourt titles. Even then, I still don't think he'd finish #1.

Other than RG, Nadal's best shot at winning another slam is at the Aussie Open. He doesn't have a prayer in hell at Wimbledon nor the US Open.

tangerine_dream
10-03-2005, 02:05 AM
2006, will be the year during which order is finally restored over the ATP Tour...
So basically you're saying that the current top five players of Federer, Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, and Nadal will remain exactly the same, just one or two players moved up and down a bit? :confused:

fenomeno2111
10-03-2005, 02:07 AM
Ohhh I know why this thread is so stupid...IS MYSKINALOVA!!!!!! Goo to this link and then shut up!!! www.atptennis.com/en/players/raceleaderboard/howitworks.asp

skel1983
10-03-2005, 09:49 AM
I disagree. Gasquet will pass Coria. Coria, while I believe is a top 10 player, he is losing his ability to close it out, and if he doesn't change that..........bye,bye top 10

I do not see Roger leaving the no. 1 seat. I really do not see Nadal leaving his no. 2 seat. But, there is still a bit of a question about Nadal. The only person I am sure will be in the top 5 next year apart from these two is Roddick. Hewitt...........??????? Safin, I question because of his injury and for no other reason.

If next year is a repeat of this year, then I will be very excited. We may see a major war next year between Roger and Rafael.


You think Roddick is more of a sure thing than Hewitt to be top 5 i would disagree with that totally.

TheMaster
10-03-2005, 09:55 AM
What an idiot....
LOL the person makes this huge post wit his/her opinions supported by facts

n you quote it n say "What an idiot...."


LOL that was too good..........

skel1983
10-03-2005, 11:17 AM
The person is not an idiot if that's there opinion that's fine she is not insulting anyone, but i am with the majority of people on this forum it was no fluke and if Nadal is out of the top 2 that will be a major suprise for me next year!!!

The way Nadal plays proves it is no fluke, look at Hewitt he is a similar intense player he has not got the skills of a Safin or Federer but he is always there in the top 3!!

Nadal will only get better to match his clay results will be difficult but if he dosen't match them he won't be far off!!! Come on who can beat him on Clay??? You say Safin Hewitt and Roddick pulled out of some of the big Clay events?????? Huh That confused me i mean Roddick and Hewitt would do well to avoid a couple of Bagels against Nadal on clay, the only person is of course Roger but on a consistant basis he still has no chance against Nadal because he doesn't play enough tennis on the dirty stuff, in a one off game maybe the French Open Final Roger might beat him but if they played say 4 or 5 times on clay next year it will be something like 4-1 or 5-0 to Nadal, no one can really touch him on Clay, and because of his intensity you know that he will continue his dominanace on this surface and he will only get better on the other surfaces so to say he will be number 5 is quite unlikely, i would predict you would get around 25/1 for him to be out of the top 3 by the end of next year.

My predictions all things being equal ( minus injuries, everyone plays to potential)

1.Federer
2.Nadal
3.Hewitt
4.Roddick
5.Nalbandian
6.Safin
7.Coria
8.G.Gaudio
9.J.Johanssen (If he is fit by start of 06 )
10.Gasquet

I also think Murray,Djokovic and Monils could well be top 32.

Chloe le Bopper
10-03-2005, 11:31 AM
LOL the person makes this huge post wit his/her opinions supported by facts

n you quote it n say "What an idiot...."


LOL that was too good..........

Which part of this was fact?

#5 - Rafael Nadal - This year was a bit of a fluke, many players simply did not know his game and he entered lots of tournaments got lucky players withdrew was left with the usual clay court suspects (i.e; ferrero, coria). He's somehow escaped players like Safin, Hewitt and Roddick. Roddick bageled him in NYC, Hewitt sent him home in Australia, Safin's height of 6'5" and tremendous talent would not struggle much with Nadal's moonballs.

That sounds more like garbled crap (oh, I'm sorry, "opinion") entwined with a complete twisting of facts; Roddick bagelled Nadal in 2004, which has absolutely no relevance to the performance of either this season.

Horatio Caine
10-03-2005, 11:32 AM
Henman will be back! :devil:

skel1983
10-03-2005, 11:41 AM
Henman will be back! :devil:


I hope so my friend, but he is at that age where it is so difficult to come back and the injuries seem to be never ending!!

Aurora
10-03-2005, 11:43 AM
It seems it isn't just a case of trolling, but even schizophreny ;)

prima donna
10-03-2005, 02:25 PM
Nadal has had a great year, but why is it that everyone continues to ignore these facts ?

He lost to Hewitt, the only Top 5 player that he's faced this year aside from Roger in Australia.
Roger took him out in Miami.
He has YET to face Safin.
He has YET to face Roddick.
He has YET to face Hewitt since Australia.
He lost in the 1st round at Grass court tournament in Halle.
He went out in the 2nd round at Wimbledon.
He went out in the 1st round in Cincy.
He struggled about Scoville Jenkins and went out against Blake ... BIG.

I mean, this isn't a Nadal bashing thread. Everything is viewed as bashing if it's not exactly positive when coming to Nadal, he has NOT faced The Top players this year. My god, if Roger were beating these people and somehow dodging the Roddick, Safin, Hewitt people would be sure to jump all over it.

Clever how people have selective memory, nothing I've said is really ridiculous or ludicrous, 2006 will restore order in the Top 5 ... like it or not. True order would leave Safin at #2 and Hewitt at #3, but I don't think Marat will ever dedicate himself enough to be #1 or #2 again, #3 sure... only a number separates them but we both know #1 and #2 are heavy duty rankings to maintain #3 tends to fluctuate.

Order needs to be restored not only on Nadal's part, but Safin's part and so forth. Mathematically, it would have to be a major breakdown on Nadal's part. Defending points is different.

prima donna
10-03-2005, 02:26 PM
Which part of this was fact?

#5 - Rafael Nadal - This year was a bit of a fluke, many players simply did not know his game and he entered lots of tournaments got lucky players withdrew was left with the usual clay court suspects (i.e; ferrero, coria). He's somehow escaped players like Safin, Hewitt and Roddick. Roddick bageled him in NYC, Hewitt sent him home in Australia, Safin's height of 6'5" and tremendous talent would not struggle much with Nadal's moonballs.

That sounds more like garbled crap (oh, I'm sorry, "opinion") entwined with a complete twisting of facts; Roddick bagelled Nadal in 2004, which has absolutely no relevance to the performance of either this season.

Wow, adjust your tampon, does your bitching ever stop ? :D

alfonsojose
10-03-2005, 02:33 PM
Rainer will come back to the top 5 :angel:

amierin
10-03-2005, 02:33 PM
He has YET to face Safin.
He has YET to face Roddick.
He has YET to face Hewitt since Australia.
He lost in the 1st round at Grass court tournament in Halle.
He went out in the 2nd round at Wimbledon.
He went out in the 1st round in Cincy.
He struggled about Scoville Jenkins and went out against Blake ... BIG.

Safin - injured most of the year
Hewitt - ducking everyone (see his latest withdrawal)
Halle - shouldn't have played. Tired but went anyway.
Wimby - tried. Not confident on grass at all.
Cincy - shouldn't have played. Was told not to by his uncle. Came right after winning in Montreal. Cramped and still almost pulled the win off.
US Open - self admitted lack of confidence. Waiting to see what Blake does in Europe. He was his old self in DC.

prima donna
10-03-2005, 02:39 PM
Safin - injured most of the year
Hewitt - ducking everyone (see his latest withdrawal)
Halle - shouldn't have played. Tired but went anyway.
Wimby - tried. Not confident on grass at all.
Cincy - shouldn't have played. Was told not to by his uncle. Came right after winning in Montreal. Cramped and still almost pulled the win off.
US Open - self admitted lack of confidence. Waiting to see what Blake does in Europe. He was his old self in DC.

Lleyton Hewitt would have 2 GS titles if it weren't for Roger, yet he's ducking everyone ?
AO - Final (Safin)
Wimby - SF (Federer)
U.S Open - SF (Federer)

Let me give you the facts.
Halle - Nadal is no good on grass.
Wimby - Nadal is no good on grass.
Montreal - Roddick chokes to Matheiu and gives Nadal an easy draw.
Cincy - Got beat fair and square by Berdych.
U.S Open - His moonballs were ineffective.

Last time I checked, Marat was giving Fedex big trouble before his injury. I find it hard to believe if he were healthy rankings would be the same. :D

skel1983
10-03-2005, 02:41 PM
You say all this but, it comes back to clay, He is so supreme on Clay that he will get all his points to virtully guarentee i would say top 3, then on top of that he has great potential on all other surfaces which will for me anyway see him comfortably retain his number 2 spot, if somehow Fed was injured for a couple of Slams then he might struggle to make two, becaus eother competitors like Safin Roddick adn Hewitt will be probably taking the slam home (obviously not RG) whcih will give them more points.

So a crucial part of Nadal being number 2 is the way Federer denies the other top players of getting full points in slams and TMS, which will see Nadal build a lead he will create through his clay form.

prima donna
10-03-2005, 02:46 PM
You say all this but, it comes back to clay, He is so supreme on Clay that he will get all his points to virtully guarentee i would say top 3, then on top of that he has great potential on all other surfaces which will for me anyway see him comfortably retain his number 2 spot, if somehow Fed was injured for a couple of Slams then he might struggle to make two, becaus eother competitors like Safin Roddick adn Hewitt will be probably taking the slam home (obviously not RG) whcih will give them more points.

So a crucial part of Nadal being number 2 is the way Federer denies the other top players of getting full points in slams and TMS, which will see Nadal build a lead he will create through his clay form.
Coria will be back in 2006, as him normal self and will take back his title as King Of Clay.

amierin
10-03-2005, 02:49 PM
No one denies that a healthy, both mentally and physically, Safin can beat anyone anytime he wants. But that is not what you're arguing. Safin just withdrew from Madrid and another tourny to try and be ready for Shanghai. He has the AO to defend. If you care to read what I wrote I said Safin was injured "most of the year" not all of the year.

If he comes back ready to play a full year next year men's tenis will be very interesting.

prima donna
10-03-2005, 02:52 PM
No one denies that a healthy, both mentally and physically, Safin can beat anyone anytime he wants. But that is not what you're arguing. Safin just withdrew from Madrid and another tourny to try and be ready for Shanghai. He has the AO to defend. If you care to read what I wrote I said Safin was injured "most of the year" not all of the year.

If he comes back ready to play a full year next year men's tenis will be very interesting.
What I'm saying is what Roger Rasheed said a few weeks back, Hewitt is virtually the #2 player in the world right now.

Nadal is a great player, but that boy ain't #2 material. It will show in 2006. He's definitely Top 10 material for sure, but this year has been one big mess with the absence of Marat and injuries / upsets clearing the way for em. :)

skel1983
10-03-2005, 02:53 PM
No one denies that a healthy, both mentally and physically, Safin can beat anyone anytime he wants. But that is not what you're arguing. Safin just withdrew from Madrid and another tourny to try and be ready for Shanghai. He has the AO to defend. If you care to read what I wrote I said Safin was injured "most of the year" not all of the year.

If he comes back ready to play a full year next year men's tenis will be very interesting.


I don't think Safin has the capabilites to maintain a level which will compete all year round (unfortunatly) He is such a great player and it would be great to see a consistant rival for Roger, but i think deep down it won't happen consistantly.

Jimena
10-03-2005, 02:53 PM
So a crucial part of Nadal being number 2 is the way Federer denies the other top players of getting full points in slams and TMS, which will see Nadal build a lead he will create through his clay form.

Didn't Nadal say that he wasn't going to be playing next year a few of the clay tournaments he won this year? If that is the case, then he will be hard pressed to win as many titles as he did this year, unless his form improves on hard/grass/indoor carpet. He has avoided playing the other big names this year, and hasn't really had tough draws in the hard court events he has won.

That said, I think he'll keep his #2 ranking, if Roger doesn't get injured (I so hope he doesn't!). But I expect it to be closer between him and Hewitt/Roddick. Not to mention Federer. It will be really tough for him to keep this form he's had in the past two years. Safin, as always, is a wild card.

amierin
10-03-2005, 02:58 PM
I don't think Safin has the capabilites to maintain a level which will compete all year round (unfortunatly) He is such a great player and it would be great to see a consistant rival for Roger, but i think deep down it won't happen consistantly.

Sadly, I have to agree.

skel1983
10-03-2005, 03:00 PM
Didn't Nadal say that he wasn't going to be playing next year a few of the clay tournaments he won this year? If that is the case, then he will be hard pressed to win as many titles as he did this year, unless his form improves on hard/grass/indoor carpet. He has avoided playing the other big names this year, and hasn't really had tough draws in the hard court events he has won.

That said, I think he'll keep his #2 ranking, if Roger doesn't get injured (I so hope he doesn't!). But I expect it to be closer between him and Hewitt/Roddick. Not to mention Federer. It will be really tough for him to keep this form he's had in the past two years. Safin, as always, is a wild card.

Good point but i feel he will win, at least two of the TMS clay court event's and probably win RG, I think he will play the two Spanish events (which he should win) and will improve on hard maybe QF-SF of Aus at least a couple of TMS hard court appearance's. That's why he will be number 2 for me because i think Roger will win the other 3 Slams and Nadal will more or less match the other big boys in the Hard court TMS and GS, which will then bring his clay game to the top and place him as number 2 in the world.

cecilija
10-03-2005, 03:17 PM
yah i agree .he will be back to challenger series :tape:
Henman will be back! :devil:

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 03:32 PM
Didn't Nadal say that he wasn't going to be playing next year a few of the clay tournaments he won this year? If that is the case, then he will be hard pressed to win as many titles as he did this year, unless his form improves on hard/grass/indoor carpet. He has avoided playing the other big names this year, and hasn't really had tough draws in the hard court events he has won.

That said, I think he'll keep his #2 ranking, if Roger doesn't get injured (I so hope he doesn't!). But I expect it to be closer between him and Hewitt/Roddick. Not to mention Federer. It will be really tough for him to keep this form he's had in the past two years. Safin, as always, is a wild card.

Nadal has already said that it will be almost impossible for him to repeat ( in the future ) the number of titles won in a unique season . He isn't under pressure at all for the fact of repeating next year those titles , because he feels his season has been almost unrepeatable

Next year he won't go to South America staying in Europe , then in theory won't win so many titles.

I think next season Federer and Nadal will keep their positions and i don't see Roddick and Hewitt close to Nadal ( there will be more than 500 points of difference )

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-03-2005, 04:25 PM
Who can beat him on clay? Coria is getting owned by him, so I doubt Coria is once again going to become the King of Clay.

AgassiDomination
10-03-2005, 04:41 PM
1. Fed
2. Hewitt
3. Rafa
4. Roddick
5. Agassi (Depending if he can have good runs at GSs, if he didnt practically miss RG and Wimby he could have racked up some more points this year)
6. Safin
7. Coria
8. Blake (after his last few runs I can see him breaking the top ten)
9. Nalbandian
10. Giniepri (well... maybe not lol)

skel1983
10-03-2005, 04:44 PM
1. Fed
2. Hewitt
3. Rafa
4. Roddick
5. Agassi (Depending if he can have good runs at GSs, if he didnt practically miss RG and Wimby he could have racked up some more points this year)
6. Safin
7. Coria
8. Blake (after his last few runs I can see him breaking the top ten)
9. Nalbandian
10. Giniepri (well... maybe not lol)

Ginepri and Blake are not 12 month players, they have to many swings in form for me.

AgassiDomination
10-03-2005, 04:49 PM
Well, I think they both have matured as players and well after Blake going through almost everything last year, I dont think anything else can keep him down (hopefully). As for Ginepri, maybe he just had a good hardcourt season and was a fluke, but really I dont know much about the guy. All I know is what I saw in the US series and in the USO what I saw, I LIKED :D

ys
10-03-2005, 04:51 PM
I expect something like that indeed happen next year.. Except that I think that Safin will probably be above Hewitt.. And that I suspect that Roddick might be fighting with Nadal for #4-5.. Nadal will not have a very good year in 2006. His slump is inevitable.. Someone will challenge him on dirt and his points will drop.. And he has no game for other surfaces.. I do expect though that someone will do a davydenko next year and be a suprise Top 5-7.. Blake, Ginepri, Gasquet..

AgassiDomination
10-03-2005, 05:05 PM
Nadal will not have a very good year in 2006. His slump is inevitable.. Someone will challenge him on dirt and his points will drop.. And he has no game for other surfaces.. I do expect though that someone will do a davydenko next year and be a suprise Top 5-7.. Blake, Ginepri, Gasquet

Exactly, I dont buy all that stuff that he has potential in other surfaces. His only chance is clay, its what hes played on all his life. He is more of a top 20 player on other surfaces than a top 10. Please, don't take this as bashing, its true. Do you really see him challening the likes of Hewitt on grass, Roddick on hard?

TheMaster
10-03-2005, 05:18 PM
Which part of this was fact?

#5 - Rafael Nadal - This year was a bit of a fluke, many players simply did not know his game and he entered lots of tournaments got lucky players withdrew was left with the usual clay court suspects (i.e; ferrero, coria). He's somehow escaped players like Safin, Hewitt and Roddick. Roddick bageled him in NYC, Hewitt sent him home in Australia, Safin's height of 6'5" and tremendous talent would not struggle much with Nadal's moonballs.

That sounds more like garbled crap (oh, I'm sorry, "opinion") entwined with a complete twisting of facts; Roddick bagelled Nadal in 2004, which has absolutely no relevance to the performance of either this season.
to be honest, i didn't read the whole post.. i'm sure there were some facts in there. but i jus found the other guy's comment funny.

i completely disagree wit nadal being 5 next year, but it was a lovely way of disagreeing that i quoted earlier, that's all...

ys
10-03-2005, 05:24 PM
Roger took him out in Miami.
He has YET to face Safin.
He has YET to face Roddick.
He has YET to face Hewitt since Australia.

The chances of him playing these four on surfaces other than clay are not really good.. He is simply not good enough on those surfaces.. The chances of him playing Hewitt or Roddick on clay are even slimmer.. :lol:

Nadal might still be beating Roger on clay or slow hardcourts like Miami and maintaining an illusion of having a good record against Federer, by playing him exclusively on slow surfaces..

Chloe le Bopper
10-03-2005, 05:47 PM
Wow, adjust your tampon, does your bitching ever stop ? :D
People who are older than 12 should really be above tampon jokes. Seriously.

Chloe le Bopper
10-03-2005, 05:49 PM
Coria will be back in 2006, as him normal self and will take back his title as King Of Clay.
Coria was never the "King of Clay". He was primed to become it. Then Gaudio ran by and stole his crown, pointed and laughed at him, and did a little dance. I guess you forgot that part.

prima donna
10-03-2005, 05:50 PM
People who are older than 12 should really be above tampon jokes. Seriously.
It's not really a joke, it's just that I happen to be a member of society outside of the internet and it never ceases to amaze me that whenever I take time out to read over this board and/or contribute a post or 2 you are here whining, you are such a menstrual case. Gather yourself, get over yourself and keep your bitching to a minimum, please!

Chloe le Bopper
10-03-2005, 05:51 PM
I expect something like that indeed happen next year.. Except that I think that Safin will probably be above Hewitt.. And that I suspect that Roddick might be fighting with Nadal for #4-5.. Nadal will not have a very good year in 2006. His slump is inevitable.. Someone will challenge him on dirt and his points will drop.. And he has no game for other surfaces.. I do expect though that someone will do a davydenko next year and be a suprise Top 5-7.. Blake, Ginepri, Gasquet..

Would Gasquet *really* be a "surprise" top 5-7? I mean, like, to anybody who has been following the rankings? :shrug:

Chloe le Bopper
10-03-2005, 05:53 PM
It's not really a joke, it's just that I happen to be a member of society outside of the internet and it never ceases to amaze me that whenever I take time out to read over this board and/or contribute a post or 2 you are here whining, you are such a menstrual case. Gather yourself, get over yourself and keep your bitching to a minimum, please!
Again, anybody older the age of 12 should really be above tampon jokes. Or menstration jokes. Seriously.

Not that I expect more.

At least when I tell somebody go masturbate, I'm working out of a junior high book of humour.

You failed to actually address my post, btw. And that's one of the many differences between you and I. I rip your stupidity to shreds and you pop a tampon joke in response. Probably because you couldn't hang with me if you tried.

prima donna
10-03-2005, 05:56 PM
Again, anybody older the age of 12 should really be above tampon jokes. Or menstration jokes. Seriously.

Not that I expect more.

At least when I tell somebody go masturbate, I'm working out of a junior high book of humour.

Anything involving constant bleeding and mood swings could be used to basically sum up your general attitude, reading too deeply into everything and consistently whining.

Now, I guess you want to go back in forth like school children, fact of the matter is: You're mentally fragile and your psyche is easily affected, even by posts on a forum from a complete stranger.

I'm here to discuss tennis, not argue, once again: I reiterate, stop your BITCHING. Please! :D

ys
10-03-2005, 05:57 PM
Would Gasquet *really* be a "surprise" top 5-7? I mean, like, to anybody who has been following the rankings? :shrug:


Yes, because getting to #10-12 is where doing well in smaller tournaments will only get you. To get to #5-7 area one needs to be making at least some last 4 of Grand Slams.. And that's where it would come as a surprise to me.. At least at this point.. I don't think he is physically ready to win 5 best of five matches at one tournament at this point..

prima donna
10-03-2005, 05:59 PM
You failed to actually address my post, btw. And that's one of the many differences between you and I. I rip your stupidity to shreds and you pop a tampon joke in response. Probably because you couldn't hang with me if you tried.

There's no reason to respond to anything you've said, it's all been addressed in another thread or post. Do the research, one constant on this board that I've learned even in a short time is you making appearances & taking out your frustrations on random posters because they don't share the same viewpoints as you.

Hang with you ? Is this competition ? Hahaha. What a complete and utter joke you're making yourself out to be. My god, you're sick in the head. They have medication for your kind, they're called anti-depressants and work wonders.

Chloe le Bopper
10-03-2005, 06:01 PM
Yes, because getting to #10-12 is where doing well in smaller tournaments will only get you. To get to #5-7 area one needs to be making at least some last 4 of Grand Slams.. And that's where it would come as a surprise to me.. At least at this point.. I don't think he is physically ready to win 5 best of five matches at one tournament at this point..
Fair enough. Who knows where he'll be 8months from now though :p

Chloe le Bopper
10-03-2005, 06:03 PM
There's no reason to respond to anything you've said, it's all been addressed in another thread or post. Do the research, one constant on this board that I've learned even in a short time is you making appearances & taking out your frustrations on random posters because they don't share the same viewpoints as you.

Your posts are bullshit and I expose them for what they are. And you respond with crock such as this:

Hang with you ? Is this competition ? Hahaha. What a complete and utter joke you're making yourself out to be. My god, you're sick in the head. They have medication for your kind, they're called anti-depressants and work wonders.

No, not as in competition, you imbecile. There is no competition, and that is the point. That is why you post crock like this instead of responding to my counterpoints to your bullshit.

That said, somehow it doesn't really surprise me that you are familiar with antidepressants. And that? Is a response to a point you made. You should try it sometime.

silverwhite
10-03-2005, 06:07 PM
Yes, because getting to #10-12 is where doing well in smaller tournaments will only get you. To get to #5-7 area one needs to be making at least some last 4 of Grand Slams.. And that's where it would come as a surprise to me.. At least at this point.. I don't think he is physically ready to win 5 best of five matches at one tournament at this point..

The only "small" tournaments he has played this year are the challengers and Queen's and Nottingham. :lol: He got the bulk of his points from Monte-Carlo and Hamburg.

Having gotten over your ridiculous point on "small" tournaments, I do agree that he needs to improve on his fitness if he wants to go deeper into Grand Slams.

prima donna
10-03-2005, 06:08 PM
Your posts are bullshit and I expose them for what they are. And you respond with crock such as this:



No, not as in competition, you imbecile. There is no competition, and that is the point. That is why you post crock like this instead of responding to my counterpoints to your bullshit.

That said, somehow it doesn't really surprise me that you are familiar with antidepressants. And that? Is a response to a point you made. You should try it sometime.

You're still not getting the point. :(

It's not that I can't respond, I simply choose not to acknowledge anything that you've said relating to tennis because after taking a remark regarding Henman/Murray out of context you've proven just how little common sense you have. Are you understanding this ?

You ... Are ... A ... Joke... With... An... Inflated ... Cyber ... "Ego" (based on really no grounds)

Frankly, I don't think there's a more emotionally disturbed and insignificant entity on this board. Enjoy.

ys
10-03-2005, 06:10 PM
The only "small" tournaments he has played this year are the challengers and Queen's and Nottingham. :lol: He got the bulk of his points from Monte-Carlo and Hamburg.

I should have phrased it better.. What I meant by "smaller" tournaments is , effectively, all best-of-three tennis.

Castafiore
10-03-2005, 06:12 PM
Is it at all possible to talk about this topic in a more civilized way?

silverwhite
10-03-2005, 06:12 PM
I should have phrased it better.. What I meant by "smaller" tournaments is , effectively, all best-of-three tennis.

Fair enough then. :)

Jimnik
10-03-2005, 07:49 PM
The only chance Rafa has at finishing #1, is if he wins the AO in 2006, and defends RG, along with his 8 other claycourt titles. Even then, I still don't think he'd finish #1.

Other than RG, Nadal's best shot at winning another slam is at the Aussie Open. He doesn't have a prayer in hell at Wimbledon nor the US Open.
That's the point I was making.
I believe he WILL win the Aus Open, he WILL retain Roland Garros and he WILL retain most of his clay titles - the important ones anyway.
More importantly, I believe he'll go further at Wimbledon and the US Open than he did this year.

I also believe Roger has just completed the best year of his career. He'll still be the fast court no.1 but he'll probably loose more than just 3 matches next year. Now that he's playing Davis Cup, he might have more physical problems next year whereas Rafa is much younger and is less likely to get any injuries.

ys
10-03-2005, 08:13 PM
I believe he WILL win the Aus Open, he WILL retain Roland Garros and he WILL retain most of his clay titles - the important ones anyway.


And I believe that Federer or Safin have much better shot at RG than Nadal has at AO.


More importantly, I believe he'll go further at Wimbledon and the US Open than he did this year.


It's not important at all, as long as he is nowhere close to winning it.



I also believe Roger has just completed the best year of his career. He'll still be the fast court no.1 but he'll probably loose more than just 3 matches next year. Now that he's playing Davis Cup, he might have more physical problems next year whereas Rafa is much younger and is less likely to get any injuries.

Drop you bias and think logically.. Nadal's tennis stretches him much more physically and psychologically than Roger's tennis stretches Roger.. Roger can win 80% of the matches with barely noticeable effort.. On hardcourts Nadal will have to spill his guts to beat even someone like Youzhnyi or Mathieu.. Nadal works harder in his 6:0 sets than Roger does in his 6:4 sets.. Nadal is much likelier to get injured or get into psychological slump than Federer, because his game requires much more of emotional and physical effort.

Castafiore
10-03-2005, 08:34 PM
Why does EVERYBODY not just drop their bias here for just one moment and just wait and see what comes, shall we?

Talking about who is more likely to get into a psychological slump is logical? No, it isn't because we do not know these guys personally so this is just a matter of opinion and wishful thinking from some. So, to ask somebody to drop their bias and continue with their own level of bias is rather pointless to me...

ys
10-03-2005, 08:39 PM
No, it isn't because we do not know these guys personally so this is just a matter of opinion and wishful thinking from some.

Attacking players very rarely get to a psychological slump. Like Sampras .. never did.. Defenders rarely have even two good years in a row.. Defending requires much more focus and mental energy. That is obvious..

Castafiore
10-03-2005, 08:42 PM
Attacking players very rarely get to a psychological slump. Like Sampras .. never did.. Defenders rarely have even two good years in a row.. Defending requires much more focus and mental energy. That is obvious..
it isn't as simple and as black and white as that and if you would just use that logic you were calling for, you would see that.

Sorry but it's foolish to speculate on a psychological slump about guys we don't know at all.

Jimnik
10-03-2005, 08:43 PM
And I believe that Federer or Safin have much better shot at RG than Nadal has at AO.
Fine, that's your opinion.
It's not important at all, as long as he is nowhere close to winning it.
It is important. He can gain many points by just doing a lot better than in 2005.
Drop you bias and think logically.. Nadal's tennis stretches him much more physically and psychologically than Roger's tennis stretches Roger.. Roger can win 80% of the matches with barely noticeable effort.. On hardcourts Nadal will have to spill his guts to beat even someone like Youzhnyi or Mathieu.. Nadal works harder in his 6:0 sets than Roger does in his 6:4 sets.. Nadal is much likelier to get injured or get into psychological slump than Federer, because his game requires much more of emotional and physical effort.
Bias? What bias?
I'm not a Nadal fan nor am I anti-Federer.
It doesn't matter which game "requires more emotional and physical effort". Nadal is use to playing a more physical game than Fed, which is why he is the stronger player physically. The point is that Fed has had a couple of injury scares this year when he had to withdraw from events. Nadal only withdrew when he was tired - like Hamburg. I believe that the younger player will have a fitness advantage.

ys
10-03-2005, 08:43 PM
Sorry but it's foolish to speculate on a psychological slump about guys we don't know at all.

Wanna bet then?

Castafiore
10-03-2005, 08:51 PM
Wanna bet then?
You wanna bet that you can be foolish enough to do so?
As tempting as that bet seems...no thanks, I don't usually bet.

Jimena
10-03-2005, 08:53 PM
Nadal is use to playing a more physical game than Fed, which is why he is the stronger player physically.

Which is exactly why Nadal was the tired one in the fifth set of their Nasdaq-100 final. :p

Jimnik
10-03-2005, 08:54 PM
Which is exactly why Nadal was the tired one in the fifth set of their Nasdaq-100 final. :-P
Nadal lasted a 6-hour match in Rome. I think he can cope.

Jimena
10-03-2005, 08:58 PM
Nadal lasted a 6-hour match in Rome. I think he can cope.

Oh, I think he can cope fine. I was just taking issue with the idea that Nadal is physically stronger than Federer. There's not much from which to draw that conclusion.

ys
10-03-2005, 09:00 PM
Nadal lasted a 6-hour match in Rome. I think he can cope.

You don't consider comparing the effort of playing Federer to an effort of jerking the ball back and forth against that soft-hitting girl that he played in Rome, do you?

Jimnik
10-03-2005, 09:20 PM
Oh, I think he can cope fine. I was just taking issue with the idea that Nadal is physically stronger than Federer. There's not much from which to draw that conclusion.
Maybe I phrased it badly.
I think his stamina has improved since Miami.
Physically, he has more muscle and runs more than Fed so I think he's stronger.

Jimnik
10-03-2005, 09:21 PM
You don't consider comparing the effort of playing Federer to an effort of jerking the ball back and forth against that soft-hitting girl that he played in Rome, do you?
:haha: Well I guess I see your point.

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 09:34 PM
Nadal is only 19, and at this age the stamina isn't completely developed yet .

Nadal has a very physical playstyle and if he doesn't learn to be less physical he won't have a career very long, because when his physical condition dies his tennis will die . For example Agassi can still play amazingly at 35 because he hasn't a physical playstyle, his playstyle is based on technical talent and Nadal on physical talent

amierin
10-03-2005, 09:47 PM
You don't consider comparing the effort of playing Federer to an effort of jerking the ball back and forth against that soft-hitting girl that he played in Rome, do you?

Coria a soft hitting girl huh?

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-03-2005, 10:35 PM
Crazy Fed fans. :crazy:
Coria is not a girl, he made it to the RG finals last year. :bigclap:
Better than your "JesusFed" did. :rolls:
One of his fans are going to try to "ninja chop" me now. :rolleyes:

Chloe le Bopper
10-03-2005, 10:43 PM
It's KARATE CHOP ;)

Chloe le Bopper
10-03-2005, 10:44 PM
Frankly, I don't think there's a more emotionally disturbed and insignificant entity on this board. Enjoy.

Project much? :)

vincayou
10-03-2005, 10:55 PM
Federer will probably stay number one, with Nadal even closer behind. Nadal might steal him the first spot depending on his improvements.

Roddick and Hewitt, already unhappy to fight for the 2nd spot early this year, will fight next year for the 3rd one.

Safin will stay in the top 10 but will lag far behind. He has to defend a shit loads of points between his 2 TMS and the Australia open.

So my boy Gasquet will take the number 5 spot by going deep in some grand slam. Or even higher depending on the stuff I smoke.

Davydenko will go out of the top ten, coming back to top 20 where he belongs with Puerta in the passenger seat. Coria will be in the low top 10 with Nalbandian, Agassi will stay there by the skin of his teeth. And the last 2 spots will be for the surprise of the year, a teenager or some guy who will find himself in some grand slam final by surprise.

prima donna
10-03-2005, 11:00 PM
So my boy Gasquet will take the number 5 spot by going deep in some grand slam. Or even higher depending on the stuff I smoke.



I agree that is a strong possibility, just didn't wanna jinx Richard. He's the man when it comes to all of the young guns!

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-03-2005, 11:03 PM
Thanks Chloe.
They call it Karate Chop.
So Myskina is Fed going to karate chop Nadal next year at the French. :haha:

Sjengster
10-03-2005, 11:05 PM
Crazy Fed fans. :crazy:
Coria is not a girl, he made it to the RG finals last year. :bigclap:
Better than your "JesusFed" did. :rolls:
One of his fans are going to try to "ninja chop" me now. :rolleyes:

In fairness, ys is not a "crazy Fed fan". In fact, he can be summed up best by paraphrasing your username: "ys = Clay Hata"

I'm secretly hoping we get a Muller-Lopez final at Wimbledon next year just to piss him off (long time readers of the great man will know exactly why).

Sjengster
10-03-2005, 11:07 PM
Thanks Chloe.
They call it Karate Chop.
So Myskina is Fed going to karate chop Nadal next year at the French. :haha:

Given the nature of the surface and the match-up, I think any kind of Federer victory will be a slow death-lock rather than a karate chop. ;)

In a way I'm going to be glad when the Federer domination is over, it'll mean that people like you don't have to search quite so desperately for a stick to beat him with.

adee-gee
10-03-2005, 11:10 PM
In a way I'm going to be glad when the Federer domination is over, it'll mean that people like you don't have to search quite so desperately for a stick to beat him with.

Unfortunately for both of us then I think we've got a long wait. My hope that he'd contemplate a break from the game have been dashed after hearing his interview after the Murray match :sad:

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-03-2005, 11:10 PM
Sjengster.
At least I don't call players girls or say others are on steroids.
Nor do I make excuses when a player I like loses (Unlike Fed fans)

Galaxystorm
10-03-2005, 11:11 PM
In fairness, ys is not a "crazy Fed fan". In fact, he can be summed up best by paraphrasing your username: "ys = Clay Hata"

I'm secretly hoping we get a Muller-Lopez final at Wimbledon next year just to piss him off (long time readers of the great man will know exactly why).

Feliciano reaching Wimbly final ?? :haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:
:haha::haha:

Well, maybe if the remaining 127 players had a food poisoning...:scratch:

Jogy
10-03-2005, 11:11 PM
#5 - Rafael Nadal - This year was a bit of a fluke
what a shit, can only come from a Federer fan? :retard: :o
what a "fluke" that Nadal defeated Federer with a big match and showed that Federer is average at best on clay as Nadal clearly controlled the whole match in Roland Garros and collected title all year
Nadal will defeat Federer many more times!

Nadal at #5 :lol:

if that is true, Federer is fluke since three years! :yeah: :rolls:

Sjengster
10-03-2005, 11:13 PM
Unfortunately for both of us then I think we've got a long wait. My hope that he'd contemplate a break from the game have been dashed after hearing his interview after the Murray match

Well, did you think he was going to say that beating Murray was the pinnacle of what he could achieve in tennis? :p For the record, I don't expect to see him with a 77-3 record beside his name at this stage next year. I hope he can remain at the top of the game, ie in the Top 5, for another three or four years and still challenge for the big titles, but I find it hard to believe that he can repeat his 04/05 seasons.

I'd settle for less consistency if it meant he could finally master clay (master as in win RG just the once, not as in go on a 30+ match winning streak on the surface).

ys
10-03-2005, 11:13 PM
In fairness, ys is not a "crazy Fed fan". In fact, he can be summed up best by paraphrasing your username: "ys = Clay Hata"

A lie. Matches like Kafelnikov-Kuerten or Safin-Kuerten or Ferrrero-Kuerten were a pleasure to watch on clay.. And I am not even a Kuerten fan. But at least in those matches players tried to outplay each other rather than outrun..

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-03-2005, 11:13 PM
Don't try and understand him Jogy.
He is not quite there.

Sjengster
10-03-2005, 11:16 PM
Sjengster.
At least I don't call players girls or say others are on steroids.
Nor do I make excuses when a player I like loses (Unlike Fed fans)

Yes, you're not Jogy. But then I like to think that any half-sane individual who ever clicked on a thread in MTF is not Jogy, so no special plaudits here.

Your username is only going to encourage the suspicion of some Federer fans that a lot of Nadal supporters are hitching themselves to his bandwagon because they finally see someone who can beat Federer, ergo someone they can live through vicariously.

Sjengster
10-03-2005, 11:17 PM
Feliciano reaching Wimbly final ?? :haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:
:haha::haha:

Well, maybe if the remaining 127 players had a food poisoning...:scratch:

Are you SURE you're not Deivid in disguise? It's uncanny!

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-03-2005, 11:20 PM
Hey Sjgenster didn't many Fed fans complain when Nadal won that it was too dark and other excuses. Oh and some Fed fans say Nadal takes steroids. I see bashing on both sides, so don't try and make me into the only bad guy.

Jogy
10-03-2005, 11:22 PM
Hey Sjgenster didn't many Fed fans complain when Nadal won that it was too dark and other excuses.
other common exuses when Federer was whipped by Nadal
netcord helped Nadal
balls were to heavy
court was too much water
Federer had too many bad bounces

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-03-2005, 11:23 PM
Fed fans couldn't grasp the fact their "god" lost to Nadal.

Sjengster
10-03-2005, 11:23 PM
Believe me, when I see TenHound declare that Gasquet "technically" beat Federer in MC this year and that Roger's feet lost him the match against Nadal in Paris, I can see that there is idiocy on both sides.

The steriods rumour is rubbish that will always pop up whenever someone becomes dominant on clay with the physical effort that's required, although you can bet that like Federer or Agassi, a positive test for Nadal would receive little attention from the ATP.

AgassiDomination
10-03-2005, 11:26 PM
I agree Fed fans overly psyche him up, but the same goes for Nadal fans. Both sides need to calm down :lol: :angel: :rolleyes:

prima donna
10-03-2005, 11:32 PM
And I am not even a Kuerten fan. But at least in those matches players tried to outplay each other rather than outrun..
Thank you! You've made my point for me, Nadal's feet and not his strokes win him matches.

It's a pity that he chooses to play contra-tennis, as Federer would call it. :D

The likes of Suzanne Leglen(anyone that is a historian knows why I mention her in this list, talk about beautiful tennis), Rod Laver, Bjorn Borg & Pete Sampras would be disappointed with such ugly style of play and that is what I find most unappealing about his game.

It is plain ugly.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-03-2005, 11:32 PM
Hey AgassiDomination none of Nadal fans call our favourite "Jesus" "Ninja" and other insane nicknames.

AgassiDomination
10-03-2005, 11:35 PM
Hey AgassiDomination none of Nadal fans call our favourite "Jesus" "Ninja" and other insane nicknames.

Thats good to hear :D Otherwise I just get too confused on who is who :devil:

wowfed
10-03-2005, 11:37 PM
I agree Fed fans overly psyche him up, but the same goes for Nadal fans. Both sides need to calm down :lol: :angel: :rolleyes:
Thats a problem with posters who blindly favour players and their looks more than the tennis.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-03-2005, 11:37 PM
Ouch :bigcry:

:D

Turkeyballs Paco
10-03-2005, 11:38 PM
I would try to refute this crap, but I suspect the thread starter would be having a laugh at my expense.

:lol: you've got that right.

Neely
10-03-2005, 11:38 PM
Thank you! You've made my point for me, Nadal's feet and not his strokes win him matches.
:lol: So what? Not everybody thinks that Federer's ugly strokes are more fun to watch than Nadal's speed, running and footwork ;)

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-03-2005, 11:39 PM
Nadal = Energetic, Exciting
Federer = Sleepy, Boring

AgassiDomination
10-03-2005, 11:39 PM
Thats a problem with posters who blindly favour players and their looks more than the tennis.

No kidding :lol:

Skyward
10-04-2005, 12:23 AM
Agassi will win AO and retire. Kuerten will win FO and retire. Henman will win Wimbledon and retire. Flip will beat Rusedski at the USO final; both will retire.

Federer and Nadal will fail to defend their numerous titles and fall out of the top 20. Hewitt will become a stay at home daddy and will be out of top 50 by Wimbledon. Safin will join Kafelnikov at golf tournaments and get fat. Coria, Nalbandian, Puerta, Gaudio will get a lifetime ban for taking pills distributed by Agassi and Sargisian. Roddick will be trapped in unlucky draws and be forced to go back to Challengers. Davydenko will get a 1 year sentence for match fixing. Ljubicic and Ancic will take a break from tennis to recover from monumental DC efforts. Hrbaty will contemplate a new career as a clothes designer. Sampras/Ivanesevic/Rafter/Muster will announce a comeback. :p

AgassiDomination
10-04-2005, 12:25 AM
Agassi will win AO and retire. Kuerten will win FO and retire. Henman will win Wimbledon and retire. Flip will beat Rusedski at the USO final; both will retire.

Federer and Nadal will fail to defend their numerous titles and fall out of the top 20. Hewitt will become a stay at home daddy and will be out of top 50 by Wimbledon. Safin will join Kafelnikov at golf tournaments and get fat. Coria, Nalbandian, Puerta, Gaudio will get a lifetime ban for taking pills distributed by Agassi and Sargisian. Roddick will be trapped in unlucky draws and be forced to go back to Challengers. Davydenko will get a 1 year sentence for match fixing. Ljubicic and Ancic will take a break from tennis to recover from monumental DC efforts. Hrbaty will contemplate a new career as a clothes designer. Sampras/Ivanesevic/Rafter/Muster will announce a comeback. :p

LMFAO!

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-04-2005, 12:32 AM
Skyward is predicting doomsday. :devil:

Chloe le Bopper
10-04-2005, 02:26 AM
Rafa won Roland Garros without hitting the ball. It was amazing.

fenomeno2111
10-04-2005, 03:07 AM
Rafa won Roland Garros without hitting the ball. It was amazing.
YEAH! He ran around the court naked and made his opponents retire because they couldn't help laughing! that's what i call winning ugly!!! :D

prima donna
10-04-2005, 03:17 AM
Rafa won Roland Garros without hitting the ball. It was amazing.
Nothing like a troll with benefits and seniority.

You have to love the new generation of fans that don't understand the difference between the game that Vilas played and McEnroe, the difference between Sampras & Bruguera or even the difference between Federer & Nadal.

There are 2 ways to win. Defense and Offense. Nadal definitely hasn't won anything because of his strokes, try giving him the foot speed of Ivan Ljubicic, accompanied by his current strokes and let me know what his results are. He is a defensive player, he's the male version of Kim Clijsters. A pity, contra-tennis at it's best, indeed. :D

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-04-2005, 08:24 AM
Defense which can be turned into offence is Nadal's game.
A lot more exciting than pure offence or defense.

Castafiore
10-04-2005, 08:40 AM
***warning - long post ahead ***

Nadal definitely hasn't won anything because of his strokes
:scratch:

Wow...that's some trick. Go from ranking number 52 to 2 - win 3 Master Titles on two surfaces, win a slam on his first attempt, win 10 tournaments in one season and all that at the age of 18/19 and it has nothing to do with his strokes?
That's amazing!


I'm having fun reading your posts, MyskinaLova. Keep it up.


Seriously, though:
From one extreme (saying that he's good but not that special, that he just had a bit of luck this year because of the lack of depth in the game...blah blah blah) to the other extreme (saying that no-one will be able to beat him on clay...blah blah blah): the truth is somewhere in between but it's more fun to bash people on the head in this thread with over-the-top statements, I guess.

* Nadal plays a physical game? Yes, I agree and he's very strong but he still needs to balance his efforts out a bit, I think (but I think that he's aware of that).
For example: during his last DC match - he came from China having played 4 matches in 3 days, had to fly back to Italy (so, he had to adapt to the time difference), he had to adapt to another surface so that was a more intense training in preparation for the DC matches and then, he had to play 3 matches in 3 days. So, his batteries went flat in the third set of the third match and he told the Spanish DC captain that he couldn't run anymore. Arrese told him that he did not need to run to win the match and we all know the result of that match, right?
* Nadal plays defence? Well, yes and no. He plays mostly defence, that's true but we - or at least, those who actually bother to pay attention - have all seen him turn on an attacking game as well. He's not a pure defensive player because he tends to turn his defence into offense. He normally just doesn't just return the ball and wait until the other player makes the mistakes (i.e. purely defence) but he patiently seeks out opportunities in an attacking way.
However, I think that he still falls back on his defensive game too much but I think that he's aware of that, judging from his interviews.

Other than that, Nadal himself is very aware that he's having an exceptional year and that it will be very difficult to repeat next year, certainly because he seems to aim to improve his game on HC more than to just defend all those points.
Furthermore, he has an uncle as a trainer who doesn't sugarcoat things or sweettalk and that will help him to keep focussed.

Somebody posted a transcript of a tv interview Rafa did with his uncle Toni a couple of days ago.
presenter: Good Evening

Well, what a year Rafa, and don't be modest...

Rafa: Yes, it's been a good year so far, couldn't really ask for more. I started winning matches and gaining confidence and I played at a good level so it brought me to here.

Q: Toni, would you of believed it if they told you a year ago that your nephew would be in this position?

Toni: No, one year ago we didn't think of this. Knowing how difficult it is to win a tournament, not only for Rafa, but for any good tennis player, this is been a success for him.

Q: So Rafa, you come from playing a lot, and you went to a hospital aftwerwards, are you not tired?

Rafa: Yes, obviously. That's why I haven't done anything this week, just relaxed for a bit. The only thing I had to do is go to Barcelona for one day, but that's it. I needed to stop for a little bit, to get my strength back and charge my batteries up again. I 've only started training again today.

Q: Rafa, you are number 2 now, but other years Moya and Ferrero have been number one with less points than you have got now. But as Federer is there, is that not a bit fustrating for you? Will you never be number 1 while Federer is around? Is he so good?

Rafa: Yes, he is very good. He never loses. He's only lost 3 matches this year, he just never fails. It's a bit of bad luck for me, because maybe if he wasn't there or if it was a different year I'd be number one. But I'm satisfied with what I'm doing. I have ambition. I want to get it and I'll fight until I achieve what I want, and that's to be number 1.

Q: So Rafa, which match would you choose as your favorite, as your best match of the year, as the match you did great and think you were at 100%?

Rafa: well, there's not really a specific match I would choose...maybe the final with Agassi, or the final against Federer in Miami, that although I lost I thought I played very good. Roland Garros wasn't my best week I'd say...The season is very long and sometimes you play good and sometimes bad. But I've been more or less regular and I'm happy about that.

Q: So Toni, what's the things you liked the best and the things you disliked?

Toni: The things I like are the results, his matches in Rome, Miami and Montreal were good. What I didn't like was Flushing Meadows. I was really disappointed there, he should have done so much better. He played badly. He mentally was very bad...and physically very bad too. And Wimbledon wasn't too good either, but I expected that more or less because he came from winning Roland Garros and that affected him a bit because he had a lot of pressure on him. Everyone expected him to play good, to be one of the favorites and that distracted him a bit I think.


Q: Rafa, people have always talked about your serve, that it wasn't very good, is it any better?

Rafa: Well, if you are asking me this, then it obviously isn't any better then..(laughs)
Well, I had one of the worst serves in the circuit. Now it's a lot better, well, it's not one of the best, but it isn't the worst one any more. I'll have to keep practicing.

Toni: His was the 3rd worst serve of the top 50 before!!! (laughs) He is better now though, but has to get even better. His serve is not as soft as it used to be, but he still has to work a lot on it to be on top.

Q: But he is on the top...!!

Toni: That's this year, we'll see next year...

Q: So What is this sock thing you always do? Do you have problems with your socks?

Rafa: When I wear my pirate pants yes...

Q: Are those pants comfortable?

Rafa: Yes, otherwise I wouldn't play with them, believe me...

Q: But why are the socks a problem when you wear the pirate pants? Is it to concentrate or to get your rival nervous?

Rafa: No, nothing like that, it's simple, it will sound so stupid but I'll tell you. ..When I play, the socks, with the sweat and that, keep falling down, so the little hairs from my lower leg/ankle stick out over the top of them and it's very uncomfortable!! It pesters me so I keep pulling them up so those hairs don't stick out!!

Q: So does Nike choose the clothes for you?

Rafa: Well, they give me ideas, propositions and If I like them I say yes, if not, they look for something else.

Toni: But he always says yes to everything...! (laughs)

Q: So are you wearing anything special for Shangai?

Rafa: No, I don't think so...

Q: How about in Madrid?

Rafa: Nothing special, all I can say is that I'm going to wear the short pants again for the rest of the season.

Q: So you are back to the shorts again! So in Madrid we will see you in shorts again...

Rafa: Yes, well, that is if Nike doesn't change their mind, sometimes they change, so I can't confirm anything...

Q: So how is this all this advertising stuff affecting you. I love the Kia car one, with tennis balls raining over you...

Rafa: I'ts nice to watch once it's finished, but not fun to make, I tell you...

Q: Was there really a lot of tennis balls falling on top of you?

Rafa: hahaha...well, new technologies do great things these days...there is a part of fiction and a part of reality...I did have a machine and 15 people throwing balls at me though..

Q: hahaha well that was good then...

Rafa: What was good was that none of the balls hit me on the head while filming, that was a miracle...(laughs)

Q: So you've done Nike, Kia, cola cao adverstisments...

Rafa: and Rosdor biscuits..

Q: Oh, yes forgot about them, that's good, a Mallorcan product...so any more advertisment now?

Rafa: No, well, just another Cola Cao one.

Q: So, another five tournaments left...

(Rafa counts): Yes

Q: Are you going to Vienna?

Rafa: If I knew, I'd tell you...On this moment it's more a no than a yes...but who knows, I'm not sure yet. I mean I want to go but...I need a little more rest and training so I don't know. Maybe the day comes and I say, hey I wanna go, but maybe I say, well I want to train more for Madrid because I want to do really well there this year, and Madrid is my number 1 priority...

Q: If you go to Vienna you could practise a bit before Madrid there...

Toni: But if he goes, he goes there to win, not to train...but he would get a good training there. That's the problem we have now about the decision, I mean if he goes he'll get into the game a bit again , I think it would be good for him, but if he goes and is still a bit tired it might be worse...depends on what he wants to do..

(Toni looks at Rafa and Rafa shyly looks down)

Rafa: I want to go...but...

Toni: He doesn't know yet. Madrid is what he really wants to do well at.

Rafa: Yes.

Toni: Moya always says he plays a lot during the year and that when Masters Madrid comes around, he's always too tired and plays badly there, and Rafa doesn't want that to happen to him.

Q: So are you training now?

Toni: Yes, he started today. It's going to be difficult to find someone to train with him because Moya is going to Vienna and the guys at the tennis club are all on tournaments as well, so it's going to be hard to find someone with a good level to play against him while here.

Q: Well, what I hope is that you bring back a cup from Shanghai when you go...

Rafa: pfffff...With the surface they've prepared I doubt it...

Q: Why?

Toni: Because it's a very fast court. A lot of players are agaisnt it, apart from Rafa, like Federer and Hewitt. That surface is good for Roddick and Safin. They should have taken into account the players' and the public's opinion, but anyway, he'll try his best...

Q: And Rafa, no one can get you out of Mallorca eh! other players have left to train and live in Barcelona, Madrid..., but you have stayed here

Rafa: Yes, I love Mallorca, I wouldn't change it for anything. My family, and my friends are here. I like being here, it relaxes me.

Q: So are there other places you like, you've visited other places in the world, do you tour a lot or just stay in the hotel?

Rafa: pfff ask him that, (pointing to his uncle Toni) he's the one that goes all over the area to shop, not me...

Q: So you go all over but you order your nephew to stay in the hotel and rest then...

Toni: (laughs) He can come if he wants..


Q: Anyway, i want to thank you for coming, it's been a pleasure, and I hope to see you back here soon, and Rafa, don't change, because you are so kind-hearted. Every time you arrive in Mallorca, we are waiting and pester you in the airport, but you always have a few minutes for us, that means a lot to us...

Rafa: No problem...

Q: Thank you, and have a nice rest

Rafa and Toni: Thank you."
Credit for this transcript goes to Yoly from vamosrafa.com

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-04-2005, 09:04 AM
Thank You for explaining his game Castafiore.
I hope Myskinalova reads and understands it.

SheDrivesMeCrazy
10-04-2005, 10:09 AM
Marat Safin will win the Australian Open.
Guillermo Coria will win the French Open.
Mark Phillippoussis will win Wimbledon.
Andy Roddick will win the US Open.

Top 5 after 2006 season.
1. Andy Roddick :)
2. Marat Safin :)
3. Guillermo Coria :)
4. Mark Phillippoussis :)
5. David Nalbandian :)
------------------------
99. Roger Federer :p

Galaxystorm
10-04-2005, 10:20 AM
Marat Safin will win the Australian Open.
Guillermo Coria will win the French Open.
Mark Phillippoussis will win Wimbledon.
Andy Roddick will win the US Open.

Top 5 after 2006 season.
1. Andy Roddick :)
2. Marat Safin :)
3. Guillermo Coria :)
4. Mark Phillippoussis :)
5. David Nalbandian :)
------------------------
99. Roger Federer :p

I think you have confused Wimbly with Forest Hills challenger :lol:

Sjengster
10-04-2005, 01:35 PM
Nadal = Energetic, Exciting
Federer = Sleepy, Boring

I agree, but see my signature. I hope he continues to bore the hell out of people for years to come. :D

Sjengster
10-04-2005, 01:38 PM
Nothing like a troll with benefits and seniority.

You have to love the new generation of fans that don't understand the difference between the game that Vilas played and McEnroe, the difference between Sampras & Bruguera or even the difference between Federer & Nadal.

There are 2 ways to win. Defense and Offense. Nadal definitely hasn't won anything because of his strokes, try giving him the foot speed of Ivan Ljubicic, accompanied by his current strokes and let me know what his results are. He is a defensive player, he's the male version of Kim Clijsters. A pity, contra-tennis at it's best, indeed. :D

This is another prime piece of :bs: If Nadal's only won titles because of his foot speed, why is it that Hewitt and Coria, two equally quick players, are a combined 0-11 against Federer in the last 18 months? You don't think that anything Nadal does with the ball might make a difference when he plays Federer? Roger said last year that it's easy to get the rhythm against Hewitt because he hits "nice and flat"; with the topspin coming off Nadal's forehand his timing is destroyed and his shots end up being shanked. This would be obvious to someone who actually watched their matches this year.

revolution
10-04-2005, 04:41 PM
Marat Safin will win the Australian Open.
Guillermo Coria will win the French Open.
Mark Phillippoussis will win Wimbledon.
Andy Roddick will win the US Open.

Top 5 after 2006 season.
1. Andy Roddick :)
2. Marat Safin :)
3. Guillermo Coria :)
4. Mark Phillippoussis :)
5. David Nalbandian :)
------------------------
99. Roger Federer :p


I think you confused Wimbledon with 'a match' :lol:

Action Jackson
10-04-2005, 04:46 PM
1. Oscar Hernandez
2. Tomas Behrend
3. Adam Chadaj
4. Lars Burgsmüller
5. Irakli Labadze

revolution
10-04-2005, 04:48 PM
2006 will be the year Oscar Hernandez finally lifts that Wimbledon crown, 2005 it never got started but next year the expectations will be high.

Action Jackson
10-04-2005, 04:51 PM
2006 will be the year Oscar Hernandez finally lifts that Wimbledon crown, 2005 it never got started but next year the expectations will be high.

You're there and you know it's happening and 2006 is the big year for Oscar and he'll be ready to take his rightful place in Wimbledon folklore.

Behrend is going to grunt his way to the RG title, while Chadaj will win the smaller clay events.

Labadze will win the AO and grind a victory in Monte Carlo and Burgy will clean house in the hardcourt season.

PaulieM
10-04-2005, 05:00 PM
1. Oscar Hernandez
2. Tomas Behrend
3. Adam Chadaj
4. Lars Burgsmüller
5. Irakli Labadze
um irakli's going all the way to #1. thanks.:p

PaulieM
10-04-2005, 05:03 PM
Agassi will win AO and retire. Kuerten will win FO and retire. Henman will win Wimbledon and retire. Flip will beat Rusedski at the USO final; both will retire.

Federer and Nadal will fail to defend their numerous titles and fall out of the top 20. Hewitt will become a stay at home daddy and will be out of top 50 by Wimbledon. Safin will join Kafelnikov at golf tournaments and get fat. Coria, Nalbandian, Puerta, Gaudio will get a lifetime ban for taking pills distributed by Agassi and Sargisian. Roddick will be trapped in unlucky draws and be forced to go back to Challengers. Davydenko will get a 1 year sentence for match fixing. Ljubicic and Ancic will take a break from tennis to recover from monumental DC efforts. Hrbaty will contemplate a new career as a clothes designer. Sampras/Ivanesevic/Rafter/Muster will announce a comeback. :p
:banana: i've been waiting for goran to make a comeback, he'll be #2 right behind labadze. :)

Action Jackson
10-04-2005, 05:05 PM
um irakli's going all the way to #1. thanks.:p

Irakli will not have the consistency, but he will win a Slam next year.

PaulieM
10-04-2005, 05:09 PM
Irakli will not have the consistency, but he will win a Slam next year.
no clue what you're talking about, irakli is very consistent, he manages to lose consitently, surely he can turn things around next year and win consistently. it's all about thinking positively.:)

Action Jackson
10-04-2005, 05:11 PM
no clue what you're talking about, irakli is very consistent, he manages to lose consitently, surely he can turn things around next year and win consistently. it's all about thinking positively.:)

He is just not as good as the 2006 Wimbledon champ, not to disrepect Labadze as he will win the AO, but Oscar Hernandez is going to be the star of 2006.

prima donna
10-04-2005, 05:24 PM
This is another prime piece of :bs: If Nadal's only won titles because of his foot speed, why is it that Hewitt and Coria, two equally quick players, are a combined 0-11 against Federer in the last 18 months? You don't think that anything Nadal does with the ball might make a difference when he plays Federer? Roger said last year that it's easy to get the rhythm against Hewitt because he hits "nice and flat"; with the topspin coming off Nadal's forehand his timing is destroyed and his shots end up being shanked. This would be obvious to someone who actually watched their matches this year.
Ah, yes, the famous Nadal Moonball that ends up somewhere around your shoulder ... if you're about 6'5 that is. :) I suppose that he is superior to the likes of Hewitt in that sense.

Nadal's groundies are solid and consistent, but they aren't anything to write home about. Ok, SO WHAT ?

Nadal swings from low to high, brushes up on the ball with an extreme western grip and bam! We have lift off. Big deal, without his legs he wouldn't be ranked in the Top 100.

Nadal is a defensive talent and benefits from his opponent's UFE he's able to cause as a result of his extreme usage of spin (especially Top Spin) -- Satisfied ? It's not that I have a personal vendetta against Nadal, it's a vendetta against contra-tennis. This style of play would never be rewarded during the age of wooden racquets, an era that with his beautiful play and ballerina-like movement Roger could even dominate in. :)

ZakMcCrack
10-04-2005, 05:38 PM
Hey AgassiDomination none of Nadal fans call our favourite "Jesus" "Ninja" and other insane nicknames.

And that's for a certain reason - he just lacks the first of all numbers (and not only this...) - Fed's been "wearing" it for quite some time now ;-)

You'll probably have to wait a few years until it says again:

"The King is dead, long live The King"

Did you get the point, though?

AgassiDomination
10-04-2005, 05:41 PM
I hardly understood what you just said man..

ZakMcCrack
10-04-2005, 05:48 PM
I hardly understood what you just said man..

Yeah, but you're lucky enough it wasn't exactly meant to be read by you ;-) Nah, I'm just saying that Fed's #1, got a couple of Slams and that there's a still a long way on the road to go for Rafa to accomplish what Fed did. But of course time will tell and Nadals' time will surely come.

AgassiDomination
10-04-2005, 05:55 PM
Oh, I thought you were talking about the ridiculous names you guys call Federer.

Castafiore
10-04-2005, 06:01 PM
not that I have a personal vendetta against Nadal, it's a vendetta against contra-tennis.
You're not making much sense, MyskinaLova.

"vendetta against contra-tennis"? :lol: That's a bit melodramatic and pointless, isn't it? Why do you care if others like his style of tennis? Do you really think that you're going to accomplish something with your 'vendetta'?

This style of play would never be rewarded during the age of wooden racquets
Somebody who uses a lot of topspin, rarely comes to the net, is mostly defensive?


:scratch:


Reminds me of somebody from the era of the wooden racket and he has become a legend of the sport...his name is on the tip of my tongue...what's his name again?


Bjorn Borg was a steady player who hit the ball with extremely accurate topspin from the baseline (farthest from the net—an extremely defensive position in tennis). He rarely came to the net to hit impressive volleys or overheads. He made very few mistakes and was willing to hit return after return until his opponent finally made a mistake or left an opening. Borg won his matches using focus and consistency.

The “flashy burnout artists” appears to refer to players like Jimmy Connors, John McEnroe, Vitas Gerulaitis, or Andre Agassi (in his long haired phase). These latter players were highly entertaining with their aggressiveness and willingness to charge the net (an extremely offensive style) and hit spectacular winners. If they were playing at the top of their game, they were hard to beat; however, if they were not playing near their maximum potential, they were vulnerable to a steady, consistent player like Borg.
From: http://experts.about.com/q/3196/2476343.htm

ZakMcCrack
10-04-2005, 06:06 PM
Oh, I thought you were talking about the ridiculous names you guys call Federer.

What do you mean by "you guys"? I just wanted to make it a little bit more understandable - there's simply not enough place for two players sitting on that throne and therefore Fed might be hailed and mystified by some. Nothing new to us, right? Just the way it goes.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-04-2005, 06:06 PM
"Contra-tennis" is more enjoyable for somepeople.
Also, Nadal is offensive at times and does go for winners.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-04-2005, 06:09 PM
Zack it is weird he has so many nick names even "JesusFed" which christians could find offensive.
Also, you are saying that number 1 players have more nicknames. What were Hewitt's nicknames while he was #1 for over a year.

AgassiDomination
10-04-2005, 06:10 PM
What do you mean by "you guys"? I just wanted to make it a little bit more understandable - there's simply not enough place for two players sitting on that throne and therefore Fed might be hailed and mystified by some. Nothing new to us, right? Just the way it goes.

No no, its fine to be a fan, but I just think its funny how the Federer fanatics have about half a dozen weird nicknames and how they go around worshiping him. Its just funny to me.

AgassiDomination
10-04-2005, 06:11 PM
Zack it is weird he has so many nick names even "JesusFed" which christians could find offensive.
Also, you are saying that number 1 players have more nicknames. What were Hewitt's nicknames while he was #1 for over a year.

Or Sampras's, Agassi's and so on?

ZakMcCrack
10-04-2005, 06:21 PM
Zack it is weird he has so many nick names even "JesusFed" which christians could find offensive.
Also, you are saying that number 1 players have more nicknames. What were Hewitt's nicknames while he was #1 for over a year.

Nope, that ain't right - I never said anything like this, I don't even really know how to explain it by myself - has it become a movement or what? :rolleyes:
Maybe it's because of his gameplay, his large variety of shots, how much of a complete player he is, sorta kinda ultimately multivalent he appears to be so that it might make it hard for some to limit his capabilities onto one single person?
Or maybe because he makes it look so effortless? Doesn't all this lead us to the inevitable conclusion that maybe he's just a very special player to the game?

P.S.: I don't give a damn sh.. about what Christians could find offensive....

AgassiDomination
10-04-2005, 06:25 PM
Nope, that ain't right - I never said anything like this, I don't even really know how to explain it by myself - has it become a movement or what? :rolleyes:
Maybe it's because of his gameplay, his large variety of shots, how much of a complete player he is, sorta kinda ultimately multivalent he appears to be so that it might make it hard for some to limit his capalities onto one single person?
Or maybe because he makes it look so effortless? Doesn't all this lead us to the inevitable conclusion that maybe he's just a very special player to the game?

P.S.: I don't give a damn sh.. about what Christians could finde offensive....

We arent making fun of his game, we know how talented the man is for the babillionth time! We're having a blast reading all the names he is called by his fanatics, thats all.

prima donna
10-04-2005, 09:36 PM
You're not making much sense, MyskinaLova.

"vendetta against contra-tennis"? :lol: That's a bit melodramatic and pointless, isn't it? Why do you care if others like his style of tennis? Do you really think that you're going to accomplish something with your 'vendetta'?


Somebody who uses a lot of topspin, rarely comes to the net, is mostly defensive?


:scratch:


Reminds me of somebody from the era of the wooden racket and he has become a legend of the sport...his name is on the tip of my tongue...what's his name again?


Bjorn Borg was a steady player who hit the ball with extremely accurate topspin from the baseline (farthest from the net—an extremely defensive position in tennis). He rarely came to the net to hit impressive volleys or overheads. He made very few mistakes and was willing to hit return after return until his opponent finally made a mistake or left an opening. Borg won his matches using focus and consistency.

The “flashy burnout artists” appears to refer to players like Jimmy Connors, John McEnroe, Vitas Gerulaitis, or Andre Agassi (in his long haired phase). These latter players were highly entertaining with their aggressiveness and willingness to charge the net (an extremely offensive style) and hit spectacular winners. If they were playing at the top of their game, they were hard to beat; however, if they were not playing near their maximum potential, they were vulnerable to a steady, consistent player like Borg.
From: http://experts.about.com/q/3196/2476343.htm

Borg could adjust his game and hit flat strokes if necessary, he was the complete package and could execute nearly as well on offense. Tennis is an art, a sport of beauty and finesse, to me Nadal's game butchers it. I'm sorry if you consider that "melodramatic" --- a passion for something and appreciation, a tragedy to see it being disgraced.

Castafiore
10-04-2005, 09:49 PM
Congratulations, you're missing the point almost entirely, MyskinaLova. The thing is that I'm not sure that you're missing the point on purpose (deliberate diversion) or you can't help yourself.
Whatever it is, I can't be bothered to explain it in any other way because we're never going to agree on this so there's no point. Your cute vendetta is a bit wasted on me because I don't see tennis as 'art' and a sport of beauty and finesse'. I think that this viewpoint on tennis is too narrow and you're missing out on a whole lot of fun as far as I am concerned.
.

prima donna
10-04-2005, 09:57 PM
Congratulations, you're missing the point almost entirely, MyskinaLova but I can't be bothered to explain it in any other way because we're never going to agree on this. Your viewpoint is just too "out there" for me.

And yes, you're sounding melodramatic to me.
"Tennis is an art, a sport of beauty and finesse"
Are you kidding?
I understand the point that you're getting at and I'm asking, if you don't watch tennis for the art of it then why do you watch it ? What is your reasoning ? What do you enjoy about tennis ?

I enjoy the shot-making and point construction, to me tennis is a game of chess and when 2 competitors play at their highest level quite a pleasure to watch.

Players that made the game beautiful not only with their games, but their classiness and turned it into such a wonderful sport:
Suzanne Lenglen
Martina Nav.
Martina Hingis
Billie Jean King
Bjorn Borg
Pete Sampras (at times)
Rod Laver

Players to this day that carry on that tradition:
Roger Federer
Amelie Mauresmo
Justine Henin-Hardenne

More women than men, unfortunately ball-bashing and ugly tennis as a result of the technology of today's racquets has taken away from some of the thinking the sport demanded some 20 - 30 years ago, quite a tragedy indeed.

Nadal is entitled to play however he pleases, if players struggles to defeat his contra-tennis, why should he change his style; however, he wins ugly. He should go out and hire Brad Gilbert. :)

Sjengster
10-04-2005, 09:59 PM
The competition? Just a wild stab in the dark here.

Your penultimate paragraph leaves me in no doubt that it's not worth taking you seriously.

Castafiore
10-04-2005, 10:14 PM
The competition? Just a wild stab in the dark here.:scratch:
You would think that would be obvious, wouldn't you?

Competition, man against man battles on a physical but also on a psychological level (or woman against woman for that matter), passion, excitement,...
I enjoy the setting up of a point, the patiently constructing of the point, shot after shot, return after return and then, when the moment is right, when the opportunity is there... go in for the kill (so to speak).
Oh, I love so many aspects of this sport.

You call his tennis ugly. Fine. I have a different view on that. I call it exciting and fun to watch. :shrug:

I miss a whole lot of passion in your interpretation of the sport, MyskinaLova: it's too clean for me but hey, that's your viewpoint. Fine.

prima donna
10-04-2005, 10:29 PM
:scratch:
You would think that would be obvious, wouldn't you?

Competition, man against man battles on a physical but also on a psychological level (or woman against woman for that matter), passion, excitement,...
I enjoy the setting up of a point, the patiently constructing of the point, shot after shot, return after return and then, when the moment is right, when the opportunity is there... go in for the kill (so to speak).
Oh, I love so many aspects of this sport.

You call his tennis ugly. Fine. I have a different view on that. I call it exciting and fun to watch. :shrug:

I miss a whole lot of passion in your interpretation of the sport, MyskinaLova: it's too clean for me but hey, that's your viewpoint. Fine.

I just prefer classic, you enjoy Nadal's new school way of playing tennis. To each his own, paisano. :)

ys
10-04-2005, 10:40 PM
You call his tennis ugly. Fine. I have a different view on that. I call it exciting and fun to watch. :shrug:

Hardly.. There are two major categories of people who like Nadal..

a) The people from Spain/South America, for whom "the tennis"="clay tennis" because players from their country can do very little on other surfaces.
b) Girls, women and gay men who are simply overexcited about hot and pretty Latino boys.. :lol: That has very little to do with tennis too..

Classify yourself.. :lol:

Chloe le Bopper
10-04-2005, 10:59 PM
Hardly.. There are two major categories of people who like Nadal..

a) The people from Spain/South America, for whom "the tennis"="clay tennis" because players from their country can do very little on other surfaces.
b) Girls, women and gay men who are simply overexcited about hot and pretty Latino boys.. :lol: That has very little to do with tennis too..

Classify yourself.. :lol:
Which one do you think I am, ys?

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-05-2005, 12:11 AM
ys hates clay courters because it is against his narrow view on tennis.
If you are guy and you like Nadal then you must be gay. :retard:
Pathetic. Another childish Fed fan who has lost touch with reality.
Go worship at his altar ys and keep thinking about latino gay boy fantisies you seem to harbour.

ys
10-05-2005, 12:19 AM
Which one do you think I am, ys?

Which one do you think you are? Which one do you prefer? :)

ys
10-05-2005, 12:20 AM
ys hates clay courters because it is against his narrow view on tennis.
If you are guy and you like Nadal then you must be gay. :retard:
Pathetic. Another childish Fed fan who has lost touch with reality.
Go worship at his altar ys and keep thinking about latino gay boy fantisies you seem to harbour.

I prefer Federer's game to Nadal's one easily. But not a fan.. :)

amierin
10-05-2005, 01:11 AM
Competition, man against man battles on a physical but also on a psychological level (or woman against woman for that matter), passion, excitement,...
I enjoy the setting up of a point, the patiently constructing of the point, shot after shot, return after return and then, when the moment is right, when the opportunity is there... go in for the kill (so to speak).
Oh, I love so many aspects of this sport.

This is the essence of tennis and as the game grows the ways to do this will change. Clay court tennis allows this to be seen in all its glory but each surface brings a different challenge to the player and all have their good and bad points. It could be argued that if someone like Roddick could think and play his way through a clay court match his game would improve but that is a different thread and discussion.

Wooden racquets are advocated by those who can't get their minds around the new order of power, speed and finesse brought to women's tennis by the WS and men's tennis by Federer and Nadal. The American power tennis game exemplified by Roddick is not enough for us to dominate as we once did. And this is upsetting to some "traditionalists".

The shots being made now were unthought of during wooden racquet days and as technology improves more fantastic and different games will develop.

Art&Soul
10-05-2005, 02:59 AM
ys hates clay courters because it is against his narrow view on tennis.
If you are guy and you like Nadal then you must be gay. :retard:
Pathetic. Another childish Fed fan who has lost touch with reality.
Go worship at his altar ys and keep thinking about latino gay boy fantisies you seem to harbour.

So everyone who dislikes Nadal is Fed fan? :shrug: No, Ys not a Fed fan, but a Safin's one :)

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-05-2005, 05:32 AM
Ys :retard: is saying anyone who likes Nadal as a player and is male must be gay.
Can't get more childish than that and in my experiences at MTF mostly Fed fans go for name calling and other underhanded tacitcs.

Mimi
10-05-2005, 09:51 AM
please give nadal some credit, he could not win 10 titles only with luck and his speed :rolleyes:



#5 - Rafael Nadal - This year was a bit of a fluke, many players simply did not know his game and he entered lots of tournaments got lucky players withdrew was left with the usual clay court suspects (i.e; ferrero, coria). He's somehow escaped players like Safin, Hewitt and Roddick. Roddick bageled him in NYC, Hewitt sent him home in Australia, Safin's height of 6'5" and tremendous talent would not struggle much with Nadal's moonballs.
Safin is much better on Grass, Hard, Indoors and he's not too bad on Grass when he applies himself. Federer fans never fear, if Roger doesn't handle him, then someone in The Top 5 will. :) -- My prediction is that he won't even be
consistent enough with all the top dogs back to even meet up with Roger.

AgassiDomination
10-05-2005, 11:33 PM
So everyone who dislikes Nadal is Fed fan? :shrug: No, Ys not a Fed fan, but a Safin's one :)

I dislike both :ras:

NYCtennisfan
10-06-2005, 12:17 AM
and in my experiences at MTF mostly Fed fans go for name calling and other underhanded tacitcs.

Yep. Only Fed fans do this. I've never seen fans of any other player do these things. :rolleyes:

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-06-2005, 05:59 AM
MOSTLY Fed fans.

its.like.that
10-12-2005, 08:06 AM
whoever says Hewitt will be #2 is a :retard:

:lol: