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What are Federer's streaks?Who will end them?

konyalikartal
10-02-2005, 09:29 AM
Mainly he has 4 streaks now:

1) 31 matches unbeaten streak
2) 24 matches unbeaten streak on finals
3) 40 matches unbeaten streak on hard courts
4) 36 matches unbeaten streak on grass courts

According to you which is harder to beat? Also name the players that you
believe will end these streaks. Here is my opinion:

1) Rafa
2) Rafa
3) Rafa
4) Alien:)

As you see the hardest to beat according to me is grass court streak.
What are your thoughts?

R.Federer
10-02-2005, 09:31 AM
Mainly he has 4 streaks now:

1) 31 matches unbeaten streak
2) 24 matches unbeaten streak on finals
3) 40 matches unbeaten streak on hard courts
4) 36 matches unbeaten streak on grass courts

According to you which is harder to beat? Also name the players that you
believe will end these streaks. Here is my opinion:

1) Rafa
2) Rafa
3) Rafa
4) Alien:)

As you see the hardest to beat according to me is grass court streak.
What are your thoughts?

I agree with 1), but disagree with 2) or 3)

I dont think nadal or anyone in the current tour has good chances to beat the final streak. This is a streak which was last held by players like Borg and McEnroe. 24 finals is incredible. and nadal on the hardcourt will do well, but I dont think that good to beat this streak. But on 1) I agree nadal has chances especially in his strong tournament surface of clay

PaulieM
10-02-2005, 09:32 AM
I agree with 1), but disagree with 2) or 3)

I dont think nadal or anyone in the current tour has good chances to beat the final streak. This is a streak which was last held by players like Borg and McEnroe. 24 finals is incredible. and nadal on the hardcourt will do well, but I dont think that good to beat this streak. But on 1) I agree nadal has chances especially in his strong tournament surface of clay
i thought he meant to end the streaks, not surpass his records.

Timariot
10-02-2005, 09:38 AM
1) 2) and 3) can be ended with 1 match...

TheMightyFed
10-02-2005, 09:38 AM
Mainly he has 4 streaks now:

1) 31 matches unbeaten streak
2) 24 matches unbeaten streak on finals
3) 40 matches unbeaten streak on hard courts
4) 36 matches unbeaten streak on grass courts

According to you which is harder to beat? Also name the players that you
believe will end these streaks. Here is my opinion:

1) Rafa
2) Rafa
3) Rafa
4) Alien:)

As you see the hardest to beat according to me is grass court streak.
What are your thoughts?
Rafa is good but indoor hard he's not the best. I think he could end the finals streak in RG 06

konyalikartal
10-02-2005, 09:38 AM
Yes PaulieM you're right. I mean the player who will end this streak not beat the streak record. But I also think that Nadal has a chance to beat these numbers on clay courts...

TenHound
10-02-2005, 09:44 AM
Roger will end his streak when he shows up too tired mentally or physically, or his feet are bothering him too much as in AO, to allow him to play to his standard. Whoever is on the other side of the net is merely the recipient of a gift. It's like saying that Gasquet "beat" Roger this year. Technically true, except that Roger was playing when he needed to rest after his b2b Am. Masters' Victories & his feet were injured. So, don't be surprised if it's Joe Schmoe on the other side of the net when Roger finally wears down.

TheMightyFed
10-02-2005, 09:49 AM
Roger will end his streak when he shows up too tired mentally or physically, or his feet are bothering him too much as in AO, to allow him to play to his standard. Whoever is on the other side of the net is merely the recipient of a gift. It's like saying that Gasquet "beat" Roger this year. Technically true, except that Roger was playing when he needed to rest after his b2b Am. Masters' Victories & his feet were injured. So, don't be surprised if it's Joe Schmoe on the other side of the net when Roger finally wears down.
Don't be disrespectful Gasquet is 12 in the world at 19, he's not a fluke and he's very talented...

landoud
10-02-2005, 09:56 AM
4) Alien
agree

Sjengster
10-02-2005, 10:18 AM
Roger will end his streak when he shows up too tired mentally or physically, or his feet are bothering him too much as in AO, to allow him to play to his standard. Whoever is on the other side of the net is merely the recipient of a gift. It's like saying that Gasquet "beat" Roger this year. Technically true, except that Roger was playing when he needed to rest after his b2b Am. Masters' Victories & his feet were injured. So, don't be surprised if it's Joe Schmoe on the other side of the net when Roger finally wears down.

A very good point. Gasquet wouldn't have stood a chance of winning with his passive, reactive game if Federer hadn't been physically below-par. Those umpteen forehand and backhand winners straight off the return and off the ground, including on matchpoint, were obviously winners because Federer's feet were no longer getting him to the ball. Sad.

konyalikartal
10-02-2005, 10:21 AM
Also Nadal has very good numbers despite his young age:

1) 24 matches unbeaten streak (if he had skipped grass court season it
could be 40!!!)
2) 8 matches unbeaten streak on finals which is close to previous record
set by Borg and JMac (still counting...)
3) 36 matches unbeaten streak on clay (still counting...)
4) 9 matches unbeaten streak on clay court finals. He hasn't lost a clay
court final yet (still counting...)

TheMightyFed
10-02-2005, 10:30 AM
A very good point. Gasquet wouldn't have stood a chance of winning with his passive, reactive game if Federer hadn't been physically below-par. Those umpteen forehand and backhand winners straight off the return and off the ground, including on matchpoint, were obviously winners because Federer's feet were no longer getting him to the ball. Sad.
bla bla bla

Sjengster
10-02-2005, 10:34 AM
Hee hee...

Chloe le Bopper
10-02-2005, 10:35 AM
Is Sjengter's sarcasm really that hard to pick up??

yomike
10-02-2005, 10:37 AM
Roger will end his streak when he shows up too tired mentally or physically, or his feet are bothering him too much as in AO, to allow him to play to his standard. Whoever is on the other side of the net is merely the recipient of a gift. It's like saying that Gasquet "beat" Roger this year. Technically true, except that Roger was playing when he needed to rest after his b2b Am. Masters' Victories & his feet were injured. So, don't be surprised if it's Joe Schmoe on the other side of the net when Roger finally wears down.

If Roger is tired and he loses that's his fault. Being tired is no excuse to lose. Almost everyone in the tour is tired with their schedule and Roger does not even play every week. The one thing that really pisses me of when I watch tennis matches is when those commentators attribute Federer's difficult matches to him being rusty and explanations that will not blemish the divinely pure talent of the great ROGER FEDERER. This of course leave no credit to his opponent. The press would then ask the opponent 'How in the world you made the match to difficult for Federer?' The opponent would then bow to the haloed Federer and say "Federer had a bad day". "He was so rusty I could have use WD-40 on him".

And why would he even be mentally tired I thought he's the king of that mental thing. Everyone has a bad day,You Federer fans-the leech of his success-should be happy that it does not happen to him to often. And about his feet bothering him too much at AO. He should have called me, I could have amputate them for free.

TheMightyFed
10-02-2005, 10:37 AM
Federer after that match against Gasquet: "But, you know, he played good, you know, when it mattered. He could have closed it out earlier."

"Well, I couldn't quite understand the way he was playing. You know, in the beginning he was rather pushing the ball. In the second, he was just hitting clean winners all the time. And to do that on a regular basis, I find it very hard, you know. But you don't get those players very much anymore, you know."

"You just don't face opponents like this these days. I guess this was a little unusual for me. You know, he played great in the second set, in the beginning of the third. Really played into this zone where you had the feeling there was no more you could do, you know."

"But I wouldn't say, you know, my return was bad today. It was just all right, you know. Same as the rest of my game."

Sjengster
10-02-2005, 10:39 AM
Is Sjengter's sarcasm really that hard to pick up??

I find it particularly ironic that a Frenchman cannot detect the irony in my post.

yomike
10-02-2005, 10:39 AM
Roger will end his streak when he shows up too tired mentally or physically, or his feet are bothering him too much as in AO, to allow him to play to his standard. Whoever is on the other side of the net is merely the recipient of a gift. It's like saying that Gasquet "beat" Roger this year. Technically true, except that Roger was playing when he needed to rest after his b2b Am. Masters' Victories & his feet were injured. So, don't be surprised if it's Joe Schmoe on the other side of the net when Roger finally wears down.

If Roger is tired and he loses that's his fault. Being tired is no excuse to lose. Almost everyone in the tour is tired with their schedule and Roger does not even play every week. The one thing that really pisses me of when I watch tennis matches is when those commentators attribute Federer's difficult matches to him being rusty and explanations that will not blemish the divinely pure talent of the great ROGER FEDERER. This of course leave no credit to his opponent. The press would then ask the opponent 'How in the world you made the match to difficult for Federer?' The opponent would then bow:worship: to the haloed Federer and say "Federer had a bad day". "He was so rusty I could have use WD-40 on him".

And why would he even be mentally tired I thought he's the king of that mental thing. Everyone has a bad day,You Federer fans-the leech of his success-should be happy that it does not happen to him to often. :wavey:.

TheMightyFed
10-02-2005, 10:41 AM
I find it particularly ironic that a Frenchman cannot detect the irony in my post.
I got it Sjengster, don't worry, it is for other people who said what you say without irony. Some on this board say it was not a legitimate win, which is sad indeed ;)
Chloe don't jump on that please, thanks

Sjengster
10-02-2005, 10:52 AM
If Roger is tired and he loses that's his fault. Being tired is no excuse to lose. Almost everyone in the tour is tired with their schedule and Roger does not even play every week. The one thing that really pisses me of when I watch tennis matches is when those commentators attribute Federer's difficult matches to him being rusty and explanations that will not blemish the divinely pure talent of the great ROGER FEDERER. This of course leave no credit to his opponent. The press would then ask the opponent 'How in the world you made the match to difficult for Federer?' The opponent would then bow:worship: to the haloed Federer and say "Federer had a bad day". "He was so rusty I could have use WD-40 on him".

And why would he even be mentally tired I thought he's the king of that mental thing. Everyone has a bad day,You Federer fans-the leech of his success-should be happy that it does not happen to him to often. :wavey:.

Clever work there to remove that classy gem at the end of your post - which, for the benefit of others, said "Why did he complain about his feet at the AO, he should have come to me, I could have amputated them for free. :wavey: "

silverwhite
10-02-2005, 10:58 AM
A very good point. Gasquet wouldn't have stood a chance of winning with his passive, reactive game if Federer hadn't been physically below-par. Those umpteen forehand and backhand winners straight off the return and off the ground, including on matchpoint, were obviously winners because Federer's feet were no longer getting him to the ball. Sad.

Yes. :worship:

MP was a MISHIT!!!

TheMightyFed
10-02-2005, 11:02 AM
Yes. :worship:

MP was a mishit!!
You see Sjeng ;)

silverwhite
10-02-2005, 11:03 AM
You see Sjeng ;)

Of course. I'm a renowned Gasquet HATER. Ask anybody around here.

TheMightyFed
10-02-2005, 11:05 AM
Of course. I'm a renowned Gasquet HATER. Ask anybody around here.
kidding !!

ca1houn
10-02-2005, 11:11 AM
If Roger is tired and he loses that's his fault. Being tired is no excuse to lose. Almost everyone in the tour is tired with their schedule and Roger does not even play every week. The one thing that really pisses me of when I watch tennis matches is when those commentators attribute Federer's difficult matches to him being rusty and explanations that will not blemish the divinely pure talent of the great ROGER FEDERER. This of course leave no credit to his opponent. The press would then ask the opponent 'How in the world you made the match to difficult for Federer?' The opponent would then bow to the haloed Federer and say "Federer had a bad day". "He was so rusty I could have use WD-40 on him".

And why would he even be mentally tired I thought he's the king of that mental thing. Everyone has a bad day,You Federer fans-the leech of his success-should be happy that it does not happen to him to often. And about his feet bothering him too much at AO. He should have called me, I could have amputate them for free.


:rolleyes: Get a Grip and come down

Hagar
10-02-2005, 11:13 AM
Mainly he has 4 streaks now:

1) 31 matches unbeaten streak
2) 24 matches unbeaten streak on finals
3) 40 matches unbeaten streak on hard courts
4) 36 matches unbeaten streak on grass courts

According to you which is harder to beat? Also name the players that you
believe will end these streaks. Here is my opinion:

1) Rafa
2) Rafa
3) Rafa
4) Alien:)

As you see the hardest to beat according to me is grass court streak.
What are your thoughts?

4) Jaden Agassi or Christian Sampras. And of course if Hewitt would have procreated with Kim, baby Hewitt. But now that Lleyton is having a baby with Bec, the only thing we can expect from baby Hewitt is that he/she has the acting talent of Lleyton and/or the tennis talent of Bec. :devil:

BlackSilver
10-02-2005, 11:23 AM
He should have called me, I could have amputate them for free.

Buahahahaha.... :haha: :haha: :haha:

Nacho
10-02-2005, 11:25 AM
lol@alien :lol:

TennisGrandSlam
10-02-2005, 12:03 PM
Mainly he has 4 streaks now:

1) 31 matches unbeaten streak
2) 24 matches unbeaten streak on finals
3) 40 matches unbeaten streak on hard courts
4) 36 matches unbeaten streak on grass courts

According to you which is harder to beat? Also name the players that you
believe will end these streaks. Here is my opinion:

1) Rafa
2) Rafa
3) Rafa
4) Alien:)

As you see the hardest to beat according to me is grass court streak.
What are your thoughts?


Rafa?

Clay is OK

Hardcourt is no way

:banana:

RogiNie
10-02-2005, 01:41 PM
4) Jaden Agassi or Christian Sampras. And of course if Hewitt would have procreated with Kim, baby Hewitt. But now that Lleyton is having a baby with Bec, the only thing we can expect from baby Hewitt is that he/she has the acting talent of Lleyton and/or the tennis talent of Bec. :devil:

:rolls:

nobama
10-02-2005, 03:30 PM
Clever work there to remove that classy gem at the end of your post - which, for the benefit of others, said "Why did he complain about his feet at the AO, he should have come to me, I could have amputated them for free. :wavey: "Did Roger complain about his feet during AO? I don't remember. But I do remember him talking about it either after Miami or when he pulled out of Rome saying that had he beat Safin he didn't know if he would've been able to play the finals because his feet were bothering him so much.

nobama
10-02-2005, 03:33 PM
Don't be disrespectful Gasquet is 12 in the world at 19, he's not a fluke and he's very talented...Yes, I would say there's no shame in losing to the likes of Safin, Gasquet and Nadal.

R.Federer
10-02-2005, 04:55 PM
Also Nadal has very good numbers despite his young age:

1) 24 matches unbeaten streak (if he had skipped grass court season it
could be 40!!!)


Yes but if we could choose what to omit then I would say that if Roge were to omit RG, his streak would be 50+

Doesn't work like that. Roge has his streak despite playing all the slams and al except 2 TMSamong big tournamentes

jacobhiggins
10-02-2005, 05:30 PM
It's streaks like this that show people why he is number one and will continue to be number one, that final streak is unbelievable, I don't think people realize how good that is!

megadeth
10-02-2005, 11:47 PM
the hardest to beat is the 24 finals. he just doubled borg's and jmac's record (now just 2nd all time) for heaven's sake!

cecilija
10-02-2005, 11:54 PM
wow that record will be unbroken for many many years :eek:

the hardest to beat is the 24 finals. he just doubled borg's and jmac's record (now just 2nd all time) for heaven's sake!

cecilija
10-02-2005, 11:56 PM
nadal has the better chance in a clay final or slow hardcourt final

cecilija
10-03-2005, 12:02 AM
one have to be fair and say roger has got some lucky in that record
I mean he should ve lost to nadal in miami final
and he was very near to be defeted by ljubicic in rotterdam final

megadeth
10-03-2005, 12:09 AM
and that his 2 defeats were in the semis. had he faced safin or nadal in those 2 slam finals, i think it's fair to say that there was a good chance that his streak would be broken.

Flibbertigibbet
10-03-2005, 12:15 AM
The unmentioned one would probably be his 122 straight matches without a straight-sets defeat, which might also be quite tough to beat (though the clay season probably provides the best chance to beat him in straights). And, cecilija and megadeth, winning streaks don't look at 'what if's' or 'luck.' If he had faced Safin or Nadal in a final? At Wimbledon - probably both Safin and Nadal's worst surface (though I do believe both can play)? At the US Open - Safin was injured, so I suppose you can say that was a 'what if', but then again, mentally... And Nadal was rightly beaten by Blake (I wanted to see a Federer-Nadal final, too, though :sad: )... At the Australian Open and French Open - you don't know how Federer would have performed in a Slam final (we all know his performance in finals are typically better than earlier rounds). Australian Open, perhaps it would have been around 50/50. French Open, yeah, Nadal could have beaten him if their form in this year's semi-final had carried onto a final, but... "Could have's" are tough to judge.

soonha
10-03-2005, 01:43 AM
one have to be fair and say roger has got some lucky in that record
I mean he should ve lost to nadal in miami final
and he was very near to be defeted by ljubicic in rotterdam final.and that his 2 defeats were in the semis. had he faced safin or nadal in those 2 slam finals, i think it's fair to say that there was a good chance that his streak would be broken.
:rolleyes: Stop the nonsense. How come you guys called it "fair" to say that? You're saying that a close win is not a win? Then tell me what's your definition of a win. And he was lucky to lose in SF at AO and RG? Blam the tournaments. He is not the one who made the draw. Besides I bet he'd rather love the streak to be broken than lost that painful Safin match(He had already held an all-time record for consecutive final wins before AO). How unfair you are!

faboozadoo15
10-03-2005, 02:56 AM
and that his 2 defeats were in the semis. had he faced safin or nadal in those 2 slam finals, i think it's fair to say that there was a good chance that his streak would be broken.
and roger should have won both of those matches... we could say his opponents got lucky that he threw in clunkers.

megadeth
10-03-2005, 04:24 AM
i'm just throwing a "what-if" here. i'm not a fed hater. geez...

megadeth
10-03-2005, 05:08 AM
FYI, Fed's just one tournament away to tying jmac's year record of 82-3. i'm guessing he'll tie this in madrid and break it in basel

-sOfia-
10-03-2005, 05:45 AM
I mean he should ve lost to nadal in miami final
and he was very near to be defeted by ljubicic in rotterdam final
But the thing is, he didn't. ;)

nobama
10-03-2005, 11:27 AM
What if's don't much matter.

RogiFan88
10-03-2005, 01:11 PM
Also Nadal has very good numbers despite his young age:

1) 24 matches unbeaten streak (if he had skipped grass court season it
could be 40!!!)
2) 8 matches unbeaten streak on finals which is close to previous record
set by Borg and JMac (still counting...)
3) 36 matches unbeaten streak on clay (still counting...)
4) 9 matches unbeaten streak on clay court finals. He hasn't lost a clay
court final yet (still counting...)

Who else at 19 has a W-L record of 11-2??

Experimentee
10-03-2005, 03:33 PM
The hardest to break would be the streak on grass. There isnt really any player who is good enough to challenge Fed on that surface, and there are so few tournaments to do it in.
Probably easiest would be the unbeaten match streak, especially on hard, as many players are good on it, like Nadal, Safin, even some lower ranked player can pull a surprise.

NYCtennisfan
10-03-2005, 11:56 PM
The hardest to break would be the streak on grass. There isnt really any player who is good enough to challenge Fed on that surface, and there are so few tournaments to do it in.
Probably easiest would be the unbeaten match streak, especially on hard, as many players are good on it, like Nadal, Safin, even some lower ranked player can pull a surprise.

I think the opposite is true because for the reasons you just gave. There are lots of good players on hard so there are lots of players who can end streaks. That fact combined with the fact that hardcourts are the most democratic of surfaces means that it will be a very long time before we see someone win 40+ matches in a row on hardcourts again.

On grass, there are usually so few players who can play so if you are good or really, really, really ridiculously Jesus style good like Fed, then you can keep a long streak going.

Oriental_Rain
10-04-2005, 10:22 AM
the streak will be broken.... one day
but not today

Daniel
10-05-2005, 05:05 AM
Roger :bigclap:

rue
10-05-2005, 05:14 AM
I have a feeling that his steak of winning finals will come to an end this year. The best possible person to do that is a healthy Safin or Nadal.

Puschkin
10-05-2005, 06:32 AM
Mainly he has 4 streaks now:

1) 31 matches unbeaten streak
2) 24 matches unbeaten streak on finals
3) 40 matches unbeaten streak on hard courts
4) 36 matches unbeaten streak on grass courts

According to you which is harder to beat? Also name the players that you
believe will end these streaks. Here is my opinion:

1) Rafa
2) Rafa
3) Rafa
4) Alien:)


1 and 3 can be ended by (almost) any player and it is more likely to happen at the early stage of a tournament. 2 is difficult and the longer it lasts the more difficult it gets, as it requires a player who is not afraid of winning and who is not paralysed confronting Roger in a final. Nadal and Safin come to my mind, but also Ferrero (yes!), and players of the Berdych-type. The problem is that apart from Nadal, all of them don't reach finals too often;)

Finally 4: It requires all I have said for 2, plus an excellent and consistent serve. Who could that be? ;)