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NEWSFLASH: Men's tennis superior to women's

tangerine_dream
10-02-2005, 01:26 AM
Well, duh. :lol:

Slow news day. ;) This is a simple opinion piece I came across recently and even though it preaches to the choir and doesn't really offer any earth-shattering revelations, I thought I'd share it here anyway and get your opinion of Ms. Robertson's opinion. Notice that I included her e-mail here so that the rabid WTA fans can send her the Anna Kournikova virus.

IN MY OPINION
Men offer depth, skills and upsets

by LINDA ROBERTSON
lrobertson@herald.com

I will take Roger Federer's strokes over Kim Clijsters' splits any day.

I prefer Andy Roddick's serve to Elena Dementieva's imitation of a serve.

I would rather watch Marat Safin's forehand than Justine Henin-Hardenne's backhand.

Give me Andre Agassi vs. James Blake and take Mary Pierce vs. Amelie Mauresmo -- please.

And, yes, Rafael Nadal's Capri pants look better than Serena Williams' go-go boots.

Men's tennis beats women's tennis, in terms of quality and personality.

I would not have said that a few years ago, when too many men's matches were like Robocop vs. the Terminator -- wham, bam, scram. All power, no panache. Blame it on the rackets. But the leaders of tennis, who have flailed around in their efforts to revive the sport's popularity, did one thing right: They slowed down the courts to lengthen the rallies. Even Wimbledon has tinkered with its hallowed grass.

Men's tennis is entertaining again. The groundstrokes are awesome. The quickness of players such as Nadal, Guillermo Coria or Lleyton Hewitt takes your breath away. Federer has brought back the art of shot-making.

Listen to the mesmerizing thwack-thwack of a men's match and contrast it to the sounds of women's tennis -- bleating and choking.

The men's game is filled with upsets and thrillers and the emergence of a Robby Ginepri or a Gaston Gaudio because there is more depth. The early rounds for women feature dreadful 40-minute two-setters. Or even the late rounds. Henin-Hardenne disposed of Pierce in this year's French Open final without getting her shoes dirty. Last year's Roland Garros final between Anastasia Myskina and Dementieva was unworthy of a Grand Slam. You, dear reader, could have beaten either player. Heck, even David could have won.

At least when Safin self-destructs it's fun to watch.

Would you rather hear Agassi speak eloquently about the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina or Venus Williams speak vacantly about how she's unaware of current events?

Federer is a cut above, but it's interesting to watch history being made; he's already drawing comparsions to Rod Laver. On the women's side, it's a parade of undeserving No. 1s such as Lindsay Davenport, Clijsters and Mauresmo.

The women are either physically hurt or mentally frail. The guys don't fuss about the crushing pressure of the pro tour. They accept it as part of sports.

The best thing about women's tennis was the Williams sisters. But Venus and Serena have gone from refreshing to annoying. They are now as shallow and materialistic as most athletes. Venus came up with a lame excuse for losing earlier this week. She said she blew her quarterfinal to Clijsters because Clijsters started playing poorly, causing her to play poorly, too. Uh, earth to Venus: Usually when your opponent stinks, you capitalize rather than capitulate.

Maria Sharapova has great potential -- if she doesn't become another burned-out-by-the-domineering-dad cliché. But it's the other dream teen -- Nadal -- who puts on a better show.

Right now it's raining men and the men reign.

Phunkadelicious
10-02-2005, 01:29 AM
:rolleyes:

she needs to get laid

alfonsojose
10-02-2005, 01:42 AM
:rolleyes:

she needs to get laid
with Navratilova :tape:

Phunkadelicious
10-02-2005, 01:47 AM
with Navratilova :tape:

:banghead: that image will NEVER get out of my head now!!!

I'll never have sex again!!!!! :banghead: :armed:




:angel:

R.Federer
10-02-2005, 01:59 AM
I would rather watch Marat Safin's forehand than Justine Henin-Hardenne's backhand.
Here I disagree

Phunkadelicious
10-02-2005, 02:17 AM
Here I disagree

I actually agree with her on that one. I know that most people think that J2H's backhand is the best in the game, and the most beautiful. I think she leans back too much, and I know that this is why its such a powerful stroke, but I just don't think its that aesthetically appealing.

tangerine_dream
10-02-2005, 02:25 AM
I will take Roger Federer's strokes over Kim Clijsters' splits any day.
I kinda like showboat moves and Kim's splits are :cool:

I prefer Andy Roddick's serve to Elena Dementieva's imitation of a serve.
Definitely

I would rather watch Marat Safin's forehand than Justine Henin-Hardenne's backhand.
Disagree. :hearts: JHH's backhand. I do like like two-handed jump backhand Marat does though.

Give me Andre Agassi vs. James Blake and take Mary Pierce vs. Amelie Mauresmo -- please.
The Andre-James match had everything in it and no other match either on the men's or women's side can compare. The Sharapova-Petrova had a lot of tension and drama though.

At least when Safin self-destructs it's fun to watch.
Or Massu at last year's US Open. :lol:

Would you rather hear Agassi speak eloquently about the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina or Venus Williams speak vacantly about how she's unaware of current events?
Venus and Serena "What? Me worry?" Williams :smash:

Federer is a cut above, but it's interesting to watch history being made; he's already drawing comparsions to Rod Laver. On the women's side, it's a parade of undeserving No. 1s such as Lindsay Davenport, Clijsters and Mauresmo.
The only one undeserving of No. 1 is/was Mauresmo. The other girls have at least a slam and a slew of other titles to their name.

The women are either physically hurt
Hello Poo and Taylor :wavey:

or mentally frail.
The Dark and Dangerous Mysteries of the Fragile Russian Psyche by Boris Yelsin

The guys don't fuss about the crushing pressure of the pro tour. They accept it as part of sports.
Er, many the guys have been complaining about the grueling schedule for a while now, including Safin, Henman, Roddick, and others.

The best thing about women's tennis was the Williams sisters.
For some people, I guess it was. But in those early years when they dominated everything I pretty much tuned women's tennis out completely and focused more on the men.

Despite her lukewarm arguments, I still agree that men's tennis is better than women's, but with no one really dominating the women's game right now, it's also gotten a lot more interesting. :)

To that end, when Title IX was first signed into law and women had to fight to get equal money/time/space/attention in high school sports, I don't think they envisioned this for the future in professional sports:

"It's been really disappointing. Billie Jean King came up to the booth the other day and I don't want to say she was embarrassed because -- I don't want to put words in her mouth -- but this is not what she envisioned I think. Obviously, she has no control of it and, in some cases, it could just be bad luck; it just doesn't seem like it picked up any steam. In the men's, it seems like a lot of close matches and good story lines. I do cover both men's and women's, although I do have a bias towards men's tennis because I played on the men's tour for 15 years, but really there's much more excitement. Hopefully the quarterfinals on that we'll see some great tennis." -- John McEnroe on the uneven blowouts through the first four rounds on the women's side at the 20

alfonsojose
10-02-2005, 02:31 AM
Lindsay's forehand :bowdown:

Phunkadelicious
10-02-2005, 02:35 AM
Lindsay's forehand :bowdown:

:worship: and backhand.... slightly more reliable, dontchathink?

alfonsojose
10-02-2005, 02:38 AM
:worship: and backhand.... slightly more reliable, dontchathink?
agree, but her crosscourt forehand is maybe the cleanest forehand out there (next to Capriati's)

tangerine_dream
10-02-2005, 02:38 AM
:rolleyes: she needs to get laidwith Navratilova :tape:
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Phunkadelicious
10-02-2005, 02:42 AM
agree, but her crosscourt forehand is maybe the cleanest forehand out there (next to Capriati's)

:worship: and that Davenport forehand return deep down the middle :eek: i think thats the best women's return in tennis. Capriati has always been my favorite women's player, but it seems like the last few years she's preferred to try and smack her way through a player and hope for an error instead of going for winners. She's either lost a lot of confidence or the women's game has just evolved past her.

:worship: Jennn!!!!!! Come back and win number 4!!!!!

alfonsojose
10-02-2005, 02:45 AM
http://www.fordgtforum.com/forums/images/smilies/ack.gif
it looks like :lick:

hablovah19
10-02-2005, 03:12 AM
this type of article only makes me like women's tennis even more :lol::p

Chloe le Bopper
10-02-2005, 05:21 AM
This is a poor piece because she takes awful examples of things from the wta and compares them to excellent examples of the same thing on the ATP (Dementieva and Roddick serving, for example).

It would be nice if people who knew what they were talking about would write about tennis.

cecilija
10-02-2005, 05:26 AM
nice article, pretty good
best artice of the year

men > women in all sports
women suck in sports

name_change
10-02-2005, 05:46 AM
Well, duh. :lol:

Slow news day. ;) This is a simple opinion piece I came across recently and even though it preaches to the choir and doesn't really offer any earth-shattering revelations, I thought I'd share it here anyway and get your opinion of Ms. Robertson's opinion. Notice that I included her e-mail here so that the rabid WTA fans can send her the Anna Kournikova virus.

IN MY OPINION
Men offer depth, skills and upsets

by LINDA ROBERTSON
lrobertson@herald.com

I will take Roger Federer's strokes over Kim Clijsters' splits any day.federer's strokes are one in a million. try comparing stroke for stroke, split for split. which male player splits? fereira?last i heard he ended up with a bad groin injury.

I prefer Andy Roddick's serve to Elena Dementieva's imitation of a serve. one of the best male serves against one of the worst women's serves. try comparing A-Rod's serve to Serena's in their respective fields. if u wanna compare Dementieva's serve to a male, try volandri or nalbandian or even coria. at least her serve is unpredictable. she can actuall hit 2nd serve aces. the fact that it is unpredictable makes it exciting to watch.

I would rather watch Marat Safin's forehand than Justine Henin-Hardenne's backhand. many player's have a safin-like forehand. justine's is the only one handed backhand that's different in the women's field. she can do anything with it. dont bring mauresmo for comparison cuz she can hit it flat to say her life.

Give me Andre Agassi vs. James Blake and take Mary Pierce vs. Amelie Mauresmo -- please. bringing out the best USO match. at least Mary caused the upset. james choked.

And, yes, Rafael Nadal's Capri pants look better than Serena Williams' go-go boots.purely an opinion, that's fine. i'd go with serena's boots any day. i'm sure linda would prefer nadal's too-tight gay looking top to Serena's denim skirt.

Men's tennis beats women's tennis, in terms of quality and personality.quality? maybe. i dont watch enough tennis from both sides to make a comparison. personality? hewitt and coria are sour-pusses. Nadal is about the only one who has charisma. on the women's side u have Sharapova, the sisters, Karantantcheva, Mirza and a whole lot more who generate lots of buzz.



Men's tennis is entertaining again. The groundstrokes are awesome. The quickness of players such as Nadal, Guillermo Coria or Lleyton Hewitt takes your breath away. Federer has brought back the art of shot-making. right, that's why Kim's defensive style and speed is so pathetic. the williams sisters' ability to run down every shot and turn defense into offense is overlooked. same with justine.

Listen to the mesmerizing thwack-thwack of a men's match and contrast it to the sounds of women's tennis -- bleating and choking.OMG!coria was so mentally tough in the FO final. as was james blake at the USO.

The men's game is filled with upsets and thrillers and the emergence of a Robby Ginepri or a Gaston Gaudio because there is more depth. The early rounds for women feature dreadful 40-minute two-setters. Or even the late rounds. Henin-Hardenne disposed of Pierce in this year's French Open final without getting her shoes dirty. Last year's Roland Garros final between Anastasia Myskina and Dementieva was unworthy of a Grand Slam. You, dear reader, could have beaten either player. Heck, even David could have won. uh-huh, so filled with upsets that it's always the 2 expected players that reach the final (barring the French Open). everybody expected mary pierce to make the finals of the French and US you see.

At least when Safin self-destructs it's fun to watch.it's never fun to watch anyone self destruct. period. only a fool would say this.

Would you rather hear Agassi speak eloquently about the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina or Venus Williams speak vacantly about how she's unaware of current events?and which male player spoke about the russian tragedy last year? Elena Dementieva did. in fact, it was one of the best speeches ever.

Federer is a cut above, but it's interesting to watch history being made; he's already drawing comparsions to Rod Laver. On the women's side, it's a parade of undeserving No. 1s such as Lindsay Davenport, Clijsters and Mauresmo.you said it yourself. Federer is a cut above the rest. in the women's game u have serena who when healthy, is unbeatable.

The women are either physically hurt or mentally frail. The guys don't fuss about the crushing pressure of the pro tour. They accept it as part of sports.right, no male player has ever wanted a shorter season.those who are hurt rarely make a successful comeback unlike the women's game where they work their butt off to make a comeback.

The best thing about women's tennis was the Williams sisters. But Venus and Serena have gone from refreshing to annoying. They are now as shallow and materialistic as most athletes. Venus came up with a lame excuse for losing earlier this week. She said she blew her quarterfinal to Clijsters because Clijsters started playing poorly, causing her to play poorly, too. Uh, earth to Venus: Usually when your opponent stinks, you capitalize rather than capitulate. omg!stop the press, there hasn't been a male player who came up with a lame excuse for losing. as for the williams' sisters being the best thing, i disagree. there was anna k who despite not winning a title, created more of an impact in tennis than the mighty federer himself.

Maria Sharapova has great potential -- if she doesn't become another burned-out-by-the-domineering-dad cliché. But it's the other dream teen -- Nadal -- who puts on a better show.puts on a better show how? both annoy the people with either grunts or fist pumps. both fight to the last point. both have great games.

name_change
10-02-2005, 05:48 AM
oh and as for the serve, big serves normally win tiebreakers in crunch time. a-rod doesn't. dementieve does, and she does it against awesome returners.

PaulieM
10-02-2005, 05:55 AM
i agree with her that men's tennis is generally more interesting, but she couldn't have picked a more :bs: of proving it.

Chloe le Bopper
10-02-2005, 05:56 AM
name_change : Mirnyi does a pretty good split :p

Oh, and I think that Sharapova has about as much charisma as a wet sock. It's at least somewhat subjective :p The author of the article would do well to keep that in mind.

Phunkadelicious
10-02-2005, 06:02 AM
doesn't Monfils do the splits too?

name_change
10-02-2005, 06:11 AM
yes, male players split too. but kim splits, and get's back up immediately. when a player splits, it's their last shot. they put everything into it. for kim, it's just part of the shot before she runs down another.

cecilija
10-02-2005, 06:41 AM
Srichaphan slipts!!!!!!!

Chloe le Bopper
10-02-2005, 06:53 AM
doesn't Monfils do the splits too?
If not, he can get awfully close.

Chloe le Bopper
10-02-2005, 06:54 AM
yes, male players split too. but kim splits, and get's back up immediately. when a player splits, it's their last shot. they put everything into it. for kim, it's just part of the shot before she runs down another.
I don't disagree that it's mighty impressive!

Sam L (WTAW)
10-02-2005, 07:48 AM
You have one man (Roger Federer) who has won 5 out of the last 8 slams. The only other slams been won by Safin (a serious underachiever) and two Latin claycourt clones who are really nobodies with international audiences.

So it wasn't for Roger, the tour would be down the drain. When you have players like Hewitt at #2 what do you expect?

The men should be happy that the women's tour is so popular these days that the fans are also coming to watch them play.

This Linda chick is probably just jealous of other women making millions of dollars playing tennis.

Pathetic.

Chloe le Bopper
10-02-2005, 08:23 AM
SamL, it is beyond stupid to say that Rafa is "nobody with international audiences". Unless my first hand experiences in Canada and the USA don't count. And is it really proper to call Spanish people Latin? :confused:

bad gambler
10-02-2005, 08:26 AM
SamL, it is beyond stupid to say that Rafa is "nobody with international audiences". And is it really proper to call Spanish people Latin? :confused:


he wouldn't know the difference :retard:

Chloe le Bopper
10-02-2005, 08:30 AM
You have one man (Roger Federer) who has won 5 out of the last 8 slams. The only other slams been won by Safin (a serious underachiever) and two Latin claycourt clones who are really nobodies with international audiences.

So it wasn't for Roger, the tour would be down the drain. When you have players like Hewitt at #2 what do you expect?

The men should be happy that the women's tour is so popular these days that the fans are also coming to watch them play.

This Linda chick is probably just jealous of other women making millions of dollars playing tennis.

Pathetic.

Er, also, Hewitt isn't number 2. He's not even close. He's not even number 3 or 4 :shrug: Unless you are Lleyton's coach. Is that you?

claudine140
10-02-2005, 08:35 AM
indeed mens tennis is much more beautifull to watch, even the first round matches are full of suspence. While the women matches ... o my goodness, I fell asleep!!!
Some matches with top ten players are beautifull to watch but certainly not the first round matches!!!
But I adore kim"s split!!!! and Henin her game, and the fight spirit of Sharaprova.... etc

To bad they are showing not much men tennis on television, eurosport always shows femal tennis, I wonder why.
Because of the beautifull girls and their outfitt???? Men are also sexy... look to the players with their sleeveless tshirts, and Hrbaty with his special tshirt with .... on his back!!!! (Jakkes)

pinky
10-02-2005, 12:46 PM
oh and as for the serve, big serves normally win tiebreakers in crunch time. a-rod doesn't. dementieve does, and she does it against awesome returners.

That's because a good returner can't surprise Lena D. since she knows the ball will return deep and hard, she is always ready for it ;)
It is basically the opposite with Andi :)

alfonsojose
10-02-2005, 02:25 PM
in the 90s it was Steffi and the seven dwarfs. Now, it's JesusFed and the twelve disciples :yawn:

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-04-2005, 12:38 AM
Well men are normally superior in every sport. What's the surprise?

NYCtennisfan
10-04-2005, 12:48 AM
I am not sure if superior is the right word. The men are faster, stronger, hit with more power, volley better, hit better angles, move better, have greater racquet speed. Maybe superior is the right word.:)

While I don't enjoy women's tennis all that much, I am also not one of those people who just dump on the WTA either. I have no problem at all with someone liking the women's game and perhaps spending their money to go see a live match. After all, it's money being spent on tennis. It's good for the sport to have people like the Williams sisters and Sharapove because it brings people to the sport. I know of a few people who didn't ever watch tennis before watch the Williams sisters or Sharapove and wind up watching some men's matches and loving it. They are playing the sport regurarly now and while they are horrible and can be beaten with a wooden spoon, they are part of the game that I love now all because of some well known, much hyped women's players.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-04-2005, 12:55 AM
Don't get me wrong the WTA is great as well but ATP is obviously a higher level of tennis which makes it more fun to watch.

dkw
10-04-2005, 03:00 PM
men > women in all sports
women suck in sports

IMO the great thing about sports is that you get to watch athletes struggle to fulfill their potential.

So yeah Elena D will never hit a serve like A-Rod but it's great to watch her use everything else in her arsenal to make up for this horrible flaw in her game.

Annika Sorenstam will never drive the ball as long Tiger Woods (she’s 5’6” for god sakes) but you can't underestimate the courage it took to test her game against all those men on the PGA.

So making a generalized statement that all women’s sports suck I think marginalizes the effort women put in.

And please don’t mistake me for some bra-burning feminist… if you were disparaging men’s sports, or bashing black/gay athletes my position would be the same.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-04-2005, 06:04 PM
Women don't suck at sports.
Its just that guys are better at every sport.
Which is the main reason the male version of the sport is always more popular worldwide.

Turkeyballs Paco
10-04-2005, 10:03 PM
This is a poor piece because she takes awful examples of things from the wta and compares them to excellent examples of the same thing on the ATP (Dementieva and Roddick serving, for example).

Yeah, that's exactly what I thought too.

IMO the men seem to put more effort into their game than the women. I hate to see a female player not even try to get to a ball you know they might have been able to return. It seems to happen a lot more with the women than the men.

I'm really impressed with some of the women players, like Clijsters, Mauresmo, Henin-Hardenne & Davenport. But if you compare the type of talent on the men's side at, say #30, to the type of talent on the women's side at #30, it's completely different. The women are not as consistent, and seem to complain more. Never mind the completely annoying people like Sharapova, Williams + Williams.

I like it that nobody's really dominating the women's side at the moment. That's more interesting to me.

tangerine_dream
10-04-2005, 10:41 PM
Don't get me wrong the WTA is great as well but ATP is obviously a higher level of tennis which makes it more fun to watch.
Maybe now it is but it wasn't always so. For a while during the 90s it was the women who ran the show while most the yawners were on the men's side.