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Who will pull a Krajicek on Fed at Wimbledon next year?

ezekiel
10-01-2005, 04:00 PM
Much has been made of pure coincidencies between Pete and Roger generally and Wimbledon specifically. They are born 10 years apart, they had couple of first round losses first before dominatiing and of course their victories are in a perect 10 year span (93-94-95vs03-04-05). Pete lost to Krajicek in 96 which could mean that tennis god have something for us next?

Sjengster
10-01-2005, 04:03 PM
I was thinking about that recently myself, the similarity is uncanny in terms of the years when they have won. I suppose the obvious candidate is Manchick, but he needs much improvement in his general game before he is ready to repeat his upset of 2002.

guinevere_79
10-01-2005, 04:09 PM
Probably Joachim Johansson. He and Roger have not yet faced each other, so he could pull a surprise.

BaselineSmash
10-01-2005, 04:22 PM
Mardy Fish. I'm being semi-serious, scarily enough.

Grinder
10-01-2005, 04:23 PM
Taylor Dent.

Jennay
10-01-2005, 04:27 PM
Marat Safin.

Whoever said Mardy Fish, I agree - if he was 100%. He is a headcase with horrible fitness and a bad wrist injury at the moment.

wipeout
10-01-2005, 04:46 PM
Hmmm... Joachim Johansson and Mario Ancic are matches I'd like to see to find out how Federer would do. Safin if he serves well would be real trouble for Federer but is Marat going to be consistent enough to get into the second week and meet him? And of course there is Ivo Karlovic and Federer would not want to make any mistakes during those tie-breaks...

I'm going to guess Karlovic and a couple of UEs in tiebreaks could spell big-serving doom for the mighty Fed.

Horatio Caine
10-01-2005, 05:48 PM
Henman - one last push for the title :devil:

darnyelb
10-01-2005, 07:24 PM
candidates: Muller, both Johanssons (even T-Jo IMO), Safin (best possibility), Dent (has to be a 3 or 4 set match though)

wimbledonfan
10-01-2005, 08:15 PM
I think Taylor Dent is doing much better in the slams recently. He pushed Hewitt to a tough match at the open and at wimbledon . I think Dent could be a late bloomer much like Patrick Rafter was with his serve and volley game maturing over the years . I believe Dent has the game to upset Fed at wimbledon . I also think the next person to beat him will be a serve and volley player , I've thought about Ivo Karlovic possibly doing the dirty work for someone like Roddick but not necessarily winning the title .

ExpectedWinner
10-01-2005, 09:59 PM
Don't remember Rafter being overweight.

gvhvhg
10-01-2005, 10:23 PM
I think in order to answer this question seriously we have to recall where Kraijeck was in his career when he beat Pete....I honetly don't know....was he a top 10 player? Was he a geniune contender at the slams? How many titles had he won?---Then we can draw a parallel to a player like that today....and there we'll have it---The 2006 Wimbledon Champion who will take out Federer in a rain delayed QF....

Black Adam
10-02-2005, 03:05 PM
I think Taylor Dent is doing much better in the slams recently. He pushed Hewitt to a tough match at the open and at wimbledon . I think Dent could be a late bloomer much like Patrick Rafter was with his serve and volley game maturing over the years . I believe Dent has the game to upset Fed at wimbledon . I also think the next person to beat him will be a serve and volley player , I've thought about Ivo Karlovic possibly doing the dirty work for someone like Roddick but not necessarily winning the title .
That's what i thought......I think it can be Dent or Tojo.
Pim Pim strangely enough isn't performing as expected on grass:shrug: Karlovic will always be a threat.

gvhvhg
10-03-2005, 09:31 PM
B-U-M-P

Sjengster
10-03-2005, 09:43 PM
That's what i thought......I think it can be Dent or Tojo.
Pim Pim strangely enough isn't performing as expected on grass:shrug: Karlovic will always be a threat.

Well, give him a chance! He's only played Wimbledon the last two years, he beat Bjorkman en route to the fourth round last year and Rusedski in the second round this year before being thumped by an inspired Gonzalez. To be honest though, I'd put him in the Verkerk/Ljubicic category of a tall, big-serving baseliner who doesn't really like the low bounces on grass. Mayer exposed that brutally with his slice and dice game last year.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-03-2005, 11:04 PM
Dent

AgassiDomination
10-04-2005, 12:11 AM
Blakey

wowfed
10-04-2005, 12:45 AM
How about Gasquet ? I hope he will be more consistent and healthy next year. He seems to be pretty comfortable on faster courts. I don't remember how far he reached at Wimby this year and I think he lost to Nalbandian.
He was quite good at USO as well.

AgassiDomination
10-04-2005, 12:46 AM
How about Gasquet ? I hope he will be more consistent and healthy next year. He seems to be pretty comfortable on faster courts. I don't remember how far he reached at Wimby this year and I think he lost to Nalbandian.
He was quite good at USO as well.

What round did he get to?

wowfed
10-04-2005, 12:51 AM
What round did he get to?
He made it to R16 at both Wimby and USO. Too bad he lost to Nalbandian at Wimby though that too in straight sets. I had put my money on Gasquet to come through.

wowfed
10-04-2005, 12:53 AM
Players like Dent, Joachin Johannssson, Ancic , Ljubicic are capable of pulling an upset by beating Fed ? But can they consistently win remaining rounds and lift the Wimbledon title like Richard did in 1996 ? Too tough to decide..

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-04-2005, 12:56 AM
They can beat Fed, but they aren't consistent enough to win the title.

wowfed
10-04-2005, 12:59 AM
They can beat Fed, but they aren't consistent enough to win the title.
You are right. If Fed looses in a earlier round, then Wimbledon will be between Hewitt and Roddick. It would be good to see if Roddick can edge Hewitt out on Grass. Have they played each other at Wimbledon ?

Jimnik
10-04-2005, 01:09 AM
Personally, I don't think history will repeat itself here. I know you can compare Sampras (93, 94, 95) to Fed (03, 04 , 05), Agassi (92) to Hewitt (02) and Ivanisevic to Roddick but Krajicek?

Lets see. RK was the same age as Sampras, already had a winning H2H against him, was very tall and injury prone and was ranked outside the top 10. He had never even reached the final of a slam before and had never played Pete at Wimby before. It was really a shock result when it happened.

Lets look at the candidates:
Karlovic is very tall and has never come close to a slam final. But he's too old and he's already played and lost to Fed at Wimby.
Safin has already won slams and is well inside the top 10. He's 2 years older than Fed and has a loosing H2H against the Swiss.
Ancic fits the description better except for his age. His H2H is closer but still bad and he's much younger than Fed. He's already played and beaten Fed at Wimby.
JJ is even closer than Ancic because he's never played Fed at Wimby before. He's younger but only by a couple of years.
Dent and Fish are the right age but don't come close, in my opinion. Gasquet and Murray are way too young. Arthurs is way too old.

My guess would be JJ but I doubt it.

Grinder
10-04-2005, 01:10 AM
You are right. If Fed looses in a earlier round, then Wimbledon will be between Hewitt and Roddick. It would be good to see if Roddick can edge Hewitt out on Grass. Have they played each other at Wimbledon ?

Nope, but they have played once on grass at Queen's Club.

Roddick won 7-6 6-3.

wowfed
10-04-2005, 01:38 AM
Nope, but they have played once on grass at Queen's Club.

Roddick won 7-6 6-3.
Thanks.. Thats intersting. I was thinking Hewitt had a h2h lead over Fed on Grass. But still I feel Hewitt will take down Roddick if they were to play in Wimby final. Unless Roddick develops all round skills by next year . Hewitt seems to be able to read Roddick's serve and attack him more from the baseline. Roddick's passing shots at the net this year at Wimby were horrible. I don't see that as a advantage to Roddick either...

wowfed
10-04-2005, 01:42 AM
Thanks.. Thats intersting. I was thinking Hewitt had a h2h lead over Fed on Grass. But still I feel Hewitt will take down Roddick if they were to play in Wimby final. Unless Roddick develops all round skills by next year . Hewitt seems to be able to read Roddick's serve and attack him more from the baseline. Roddick's passing shots at the net this year at Wimby were horrible. I don't see that as a advantage to Roddick either...
Sorry I meant Hewitt had a h2h lead over Roddick on Grass !!! :eek:

Corey Feldman
10-04-2005, 01:43 AM
Never in Andy roddick's dreams is anyone pulling a Krajicek on Roger at Wimbledon for the next 6 years at least ;)

Grinder
10-04-2005, 01:45 AM
The thing is, when Roddick's serving well and hitting his forehand well, he's almost impossible to beat on grass, except for Federer. If Roddick tries to duke it out from the baseline or try that serve and volley on a second serve crap, then he's trouble.

I think Karlovic can beat anyone on grass if he's serving well, it's like playing Russian roulette during the tiebreaks. He took Federer to a third set tiebreak on clay last year in Gstaad.

Corey Feldman
10-04-2005, 01:48 AM
I think Karlovic can beat anyone on grass if he's serving well, it's like playing Russian roulette during the tiebreaks. He took Federer to a third set tiebreak on clay last year in Gstaad.but Fed beat Karlovic before at Wimbledon, in 04
6-3 7-6 7-6
and i remember both tie breaks, he won them comfortably

missbungle
10-04-2005, 01:59 AM
Never in Andy roddick's dreams is anyone pulling a Krajicek on Roger at Wimbledon for the next 6 years at least ;)


:rolleyes: :o

Corey Feldman
10-04-2005, 02:18 AM
Yeah read it and weep

gvhvhg
10-04-2005, 04:05 AM
Why do you people keep bringing up players like Safin, Hewitt and Roddick?!?! They are too qualified for the position---it has to be a shock....Mabye Gasquet--although Kraijcek wasnt really the up and comer type that Gasquet is today....Mabye Karlovic, although he is always a threat on grass....Ok What was Krajicek before the win??? He wasn't a complete noname---he was 25, had reached the US OPEN SF for years earlier, won 9 titles, made 5 finals, had been in the top ten, fluctauated beween the 10-30 range for a a coupel of years and had even played in a year end championship.He was unseeded at Wimbledon in 96, but would not have been with the 32 seed format---- So he was not a noname---So what we have to look for is a 25 year old, with around 9 titles, A GS SF and who has been in the 10-30 range for some years.....Potential candidates are

Fernando Gonzalez
Max Mirnyi
Feliciano Lopez
Ivan Ljubicic


Gonzo is the only won who comes strikingly close in all aspects----6 titles, career high rank of 13, 25 years old, couple of GS QF's...his rank is even one below Kraijeck's was at the time of Wimbledon 2006!

Mark my words....Gonzo will defeat Federer in a rain delayed Wimbledon QF and win the 2006 title!!!!

Billy Moonshine
10-04-2005, 04:08 AM
Dent.
I hope so, I like him.

jenanun
10-04-2005, 09:53 AM
no one... roger will win the next 5 wimbledon titles...

missbungle
10-04-2005, 10:21 AM
Yeah read it and weep

I think Federer could win the next 3 or 4 Wimbledons... but 6? You must be smoking crack or something

Oriental_Rain
10-04-2005, 11:33 AM
I dont know but I think Rogi's motivation is more on FO now.
Hewitt maybe next year, but I dont really care pffftt

MariaV
10-04-2005, 11:36 AM
I dare to say - NO-ONE.

Jim Jones
10-04-2005, 12:46 PM
George Bastl will be the slayer! :lol:

oneandonlyhsn
10-04-2005, 12:48 PM
Dent.
I hope so, I like him.

:scared: Dent

gillian
10-04-2005, 02:27 PM
Players like Dent, Joachin Johannssson, Ancic , Ljubicic are capable of pulling an upset by beating Fed ? But can they consistently win remaining rounds and lift the Wimbledon title like Richard did in 1996 ? Too tough to decide..

Exactly! If we're doing an exact parallel between Pete/Richard and Roger/Player X, we need to think of you could beat Roger then go on to win the title. Right now, no one's coming to mind, except maybe Safin. And we all know what a wild card he can be.

Polikarpov
10-04-2005, 03:04 PM
Any player who's gonna celebrate his BIRTHDAY on men's quarterfinals day!

MariaV
10-04-2005, 03:18 PM
Any player who's gonna celebrate his BIRTHDAY on men's quarterfinals day!
I thought on semifinal's day.

Polikarpov
10-04-2005, 03:31 PM
I considered the stage in which Sampras lost to Krajicek!

Corey Feldman
10-04-2005, 04:07 PM
I think Federer could win the next 3 or 4 Wimbledons... but 6? You must be smoking crack or something
why? sampras was around 29-30 and winning wimbledon titles, fed's still only 24.

jtipson
10-04-2005, 05:13 PM
I think Karlovic can beat anyone on grass if he's serving well, it's like playing Russian roulette during the tiebreaks. He took Federer to a third set tiebreak on clay last year in Gstaad.

I think Federer would have won that one in straights had it not been for the helicopter that circled overhead in the first set tie-break and seemed to disturb his concentration. He didn't have too much trouble on grass the week before, either, as was already noted.

Purple Rainbow
10-04-2005, 08:17 PM
I like the Ancic suggestion! Though Krajicek 1996 had a significantly moe impressive career than Ancic has had so far, there are three reasons why Ancic would make a good candidate.
First of all, Ancic is a dangerous floater on grass and capable of producing both horrible and magnificent tennis. Krajicek was the same in that regard.
Both players rely on a big serve, a perequisite to take out Federer at Wimbledon is to serve the match of life!
Thirdly, Krajicek was coached by Rohan Goetzke, who also happens to be the man who lead Mario Ancic to where he is today (Goetzke recently left Ancic to work with the Dutch Tennis Association).

Though I don't want Roger to lose, it would be great if Federer, if he had to lose, would fall to a Dutchman, like Sampras 10 years before! Problems is, we're a bit short on candidates! :) Maybe Melle van Gemerden could surprise us? :p

cecilija
10-04-2005, 08:31 PM
:retard:
I think Federer would have won that one in straights had it not been for the helicopter that circled overhead in the first set tie-break and seemed to disturb his concentration. He didn't have too much trouble on grass the week before, either, as was already noted.

gvhvhg
10-04-2005, 10:15 PM
HOW CAN PEOPLE KEEP ON TALKING ABOUT SAFIN>?!?! ARE YOU RETARDED!!!??

Its Fernando Gonzalez

wimbledonfan
10-05-2005, 04:29 AM
Bring back Sampras and maybe we'd see Sampras pull a Krajicek on Fed lol

All kidding aside , we all forgot to mention Kiefer as a possible candidate . There is something that he brings which troubles Roger Federer . He has all the necessary tools to pull an upset with his big serve and solid groundies .

Oriental_Rain
10-05-2005, 05:15 AM
All kidding aside , we all forgot to mention Kiefer as a possible candidate . There is something that he brings which troubles Roger Federer . He has all the necessary tools to pull an upset with his big serve and solid groundies .
yea he could be, if he learn to keep his temperament.
I'd say Ancic too

Gonzo Hates Me!
10-05-2005, 05:18 AM
Much has been made of pure coincidencies between Pete and Roger generally and Wimbledon specifically. They are born 10 years apart, they had couple of first round losses first before dominatiing and of course their victories are in a perect 10 year span (93-94-95vs03-04-05). Pete lost to Krajicek in 96 which could mean that tennis god have something for us next?

Superstition, smuperfischion. Roger will win again

Action Jackson
10-05-2005, 05:22 AM
Fernando Vicente.

jole
10-05-2005, 05:48 AM
Fernando Vicente.

Oscar Hernandez will feel sorry for Fernando, clue him in on the "sekrit Fed gameplan", and let Vicente take all his glory.

Action Jackson
10-05-2005, 05:52 AM
Oscar Hernandez will feel sorry for Fernando, clue him in on the "sekrit Fed gameplan", and let Vicente take all his glory.

Vicente will beat Federer, but lose to Oscar in the final.