"In 90 per cent of cases the linesman's decision will go for the local player." [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

"In 90 per cent of cases the linesman's decision will go for the local player."

Sjengster
09-28-2005, 10:40 PM
Ljubicic interviewed in ACE magazine's September issue:

If there was one rule in tennis you could change, what would it be?
The Hawk-Eye camera would help tennis a lot. I feel that sometimes the world's top players or the local guys are protected in certain ways by the linesmen. Being a Croatian, and having only one event in Croatia the whole year, I am always playing away from home. The linesmen are always local people. I'm not saying they're bad, but sometimes they just cannot take the pressure. In a normal match, say there are 10 to 15 balls that are 50/50 where the normal eye cannot see if they're good or bad. In 90 per cent of cases the linesman's decision will go for the local player.

In light of the recent DC tie in Croatia: ain't that ever the truth, Ivan. :cool: ;)

maratski
09-28-2005, 10:41 PM
Bad linesmen cost him a win in Rotterdam so his comment doesn't surprise me.

cecilija
09-28-2005, 10:42 PM
sure that is likely to happen

but that is common in all local davis cup ties

Sjengster
09-28-2005, 10:42 PM
Do you mean this year's final, Ilhame? I remember several close calls, but not a really big disputed one - but you would probably know better than me.

adee-gee
09-28-2005, 10:43 PM
:lol:

Am I the only one that isn't totally convinced by the accuracy of Hawk-Eye. I often see it showing balls as out, then when you see an actual replay the ball seems good. Or often if a ball is out, on hawk-eye it seems to suggest the ball is a lot furthur out than it actually was :shrug:

cecilija
09-28-2005, 10:43 PM
what happened in rotterdam?????
federer is pretty lucky with the bad calls :p I very often see bad calls againt his rivals

Bad linesmen cost him a win in Rotterdam so his comment doesn't surprise me.

Sjengster
09-28-2005, 10:46 PM
There's a grey area that I'm not sure man or technology will ever be able to pin down exactly - Hawk-Eye is supposed to be accurate to within a couple of millimetres, but sometimes that can make all the difference. Obviously the replay systems need more work to refine them a bit more, but surely we can't keep on getting as many bad calls from both linesmen and umpires as we did at this year's US Open, and indeed most of the Slams this year. There were aces well inside the centre line being called faults.

maratski
09-28-2005, 10:48 PM
I was there for the final and from where I was, on the other side of the questionable balls, I saw they were out. Ivan looked at the umpire and linesmen, shook his head, but didn't cause a scene.

tangerine_dream
09-28-2005, 10:48 PM
Am I the only one that isn't totally convinced by the accuracy of Hawk-Eye.
No, you're not. As evidenced by this past summer hardcourt, hawk-eye was shown to be as fallible as the human eye.

And Ljubadick needs to quit whining so much already. He's not the only one who gets bad line calls.

adee-gee
09-28-2005, 10:54 PM
Also, although there have been times when I've been wanting hawk-eye to be brought in (Miami final, Federer hits about 2 feet long and Nadal would've won the match in straight sets if the call had been made), I still kind of like the human error side of things. Its always quite entertaining to see how a player reacts to a bad call. Players won't be able to argue if there is technology calling whether the ball is good or not.

Sjengster
09-28-2005, 10:56 PM
It's interesting to note that Federer himself was dead set against the introduction of line call technology when it was proposed to him by an ATP representative earlier in the year. One wonders how he might feel if and when he ever gets hooked by a bad call on an important point.

adee-gee
09-28-2005, 11:04 PM
It's interesting to note that Federer himself was dead set against the introduction of line call technology when it was proposed to him by an ATP representative earlier in the year. One wonders how he might feel if and when he ever gets hooked by a bad call on an important point.

He was probably asked after Miami, when the umpire/line judge handed him the title ;)

R.Federer
09-28-2005, 11:06 PM
I think 90% of the calls go in favor of the player(s) who treat linespeople and ball boy ball girls with courtesy and dignity....

certain players have been known to glare down lines people. leyton i think is one. he got 12 foot faults - who believes that he actually makes 12 foot faults in one match?

Sjengster
09-28-2005, 11:08 PM
He was probably asked after Miami, when the umpire/line judge handed him the title ;)

If I can get over this year's AO loss to Safin, then you should be able to do the same for your man. Which one would you rather have anyway as a Nadal fan, a win in the Miami final or in the semis of RG?

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 11:10 PM
And Ljubadick needs to quit whining so much already. He's not the only one who gets bad line calls.

I see someone is still upset about the DC spanking, that took place in Feb. ;)

adee-gee
09-28-2005, 11:11 PM
If I can get over this year's AO loss to Safin, then you should be able to do the same for your man. Which one would you rather have anyway as a Nadal fan, a win in the Miami final or in the semis of RG?

Absolutely not the point! The Semi Final was poor, they both played badly. Rafa should've won in 3 sets in Miami, and the head to head would've been 3-0.

Margy
09-28-2005, 11:11 PM
certain players have been known to glare down lines people. leyton i think is one. he got 12 foot faults - who believes that he actually makes 12 foot faults in one match?

I'd believe anything bad about Leyton :angel:

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 11:14 PM
Absolutely not the point! The Semi Final was poor, they both played badly. Rafa should've won in 3 sets in Miami, and the head to head would've been 3-0.

I should of been blah blah blah..dont start with should of , would of crap, If Ljubo played his best vs Nadal in Miami, he would've been 2-0 vs Nadal

Sjengster
09-28-2005, 11:17 PM
Absolutely not the point! The Semi Final was poor, they both played badly. Rafa should've won in 3 sets in Miami, and the head to head would've been 3-0.

He also shouldn't have handed the break back in his previous service game. Likewise, Federer shouldn't have let him back into the second set in typically careless fashion by failing to serve it out when he was in complete control at that stage of the match. Swings and roundabouts, and if ever Federer ends up being in the same situation I'd like to think that I'll blame it on losing a lead and taking his foot off the pedal, not one bad call.

Deivid23
09-28-2005, 11:18 PM
I should of been blah blah blah..dont start with should of , would of crap, If Ljubo played his best vs Nadal in Miami, he would've been 2-0 vs Nadal

:lol:

If Nadal had played near to his best, Ljubicic wouldnīt have even won a set ;)

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 11:19 PM
:lol:

If Nadal had played near to his best, Ljubicic wouldnīt have even won a set ;)

if Ljubicic could server 250mph with 90& of 1st serves going in. he would of won a grand slam this year.

Sjengster
09-28-2005, 11:20 PM
I think just about anyone could win a Grand Slam if they could serve at 250mph.

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 11:21 PM
I think just about anyone could win a Grand Slam if they could serve at 250mph.

i was just pointing out what, what if leads to. ;)

Deivid23
09-28-2005, 11:22 PM
He was probably asked after Miami, when the umpire/line judge handed him the title ;)

Could u imagine how much whining we could have read here if Federer would have been in Nadalīs skin? ;)

PaulieM
09-28-2005, 11:31 PM
And Ljubadick needs to quit whining so much already. He's not the only one who gets bad line calls.
yeah because he just clearly claimed that he was the first and only player to get a bad call.
there are so many times watching matches in person that you would swear a ball that is called good was out etc. with the speed of the game it can be so difficult to make really close calls, it wouldn't surprise me a ton if a lot of close calls just kind of got "given" to the top or local players. putting myself in the position of a linesperson i'd probably be pretty likely to do the same, i wouldn't want to be be the person responsible for making the call that might turn out to be crucial to someone who might be the event's top attraction, if it's really close those kind of things probably to play into it subconciously. as much as i like to yell at my tv about bad calls, all i can say is i certainly wouldn't want the job of a linesperson(especially since i'm practically half blind :o):shrug:

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 11:31 PM
Could u imagine how much whining we could have read here if Federer would have been in Nadalīs skin? ;)

It shocks me that you didnt make it futher in the non-sense contest :lol:

Deivid23
09-28-2005, 11:45 PM
It shocks me that you didnt make it futher in the non-sense contest :lol:


At least I can see beyond Ljubicic and know about tennis, you canīt say the same :wavey:

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 11:48 PM
At least I can see beyond Ljubicic and know about tennis, you canīt say the same :wavey:

You dont not know as half about tennis a me. and it seems alot of people make a joke about you're tennis knowledge, did you not read the non-sense threads?

Deivid23
09-28-2005, 11:52 PM
You dont not know as half about tennis a me. and it seems alot of people make a joke about you're tennis knowledge, did you not read the non-sense threads?

Sure, you are showing your vast knowledge when saying Ljubicic would whip Nadal in str8 sets in Miami or when saying Slovakia doesnīt stand a chance in DC final, that only can be said by an idiot, congrats ;)

El Legenda
09-28-2005, 11:55 PM
Sure, you are showing your vast knowledge when saying Ljubicic would whip Nadal in str8 sets or when saying Slovakia doesnīt stand a chance in DC final, that only can be said by an idiot ;)

coming from guy who said Verdasco was gonna beat Mayer in Wimby :haha:

NYCtennisfan
09-29-2005, 12:22 AM
One wonders how he might feel if and when he ever gets hooked by a bad call on an important point.

I'm sure that he has gotten bad line calls before. Every single player who has ever played on the tour has.

Example: Against Marat in the AO, after he came back from the brink and knotted things up at 5-5, he hit a shot that would've put him up 0-30 on the Russian's serve but the ball was incorrectly called out.

As for the usage of the new technology, if he can be prefected to a certain degree, then I'm all for it. Hawkeye was pretty good during the clay season when calls can easily be verified.

Lee
09-29-2005, 12:24 AM
There's a fight thread in non-tennis, guys. ;)

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=54554

Lee
09-29-2005, 12:31 AM
I don't know how hawkeye/shotspot technology can improve to the point that it's 100% perfect. If I understand correctly, the technology is based on the speed, spin, angle of the ball, etc to calculate where it will landed. But there's always other factors that you can never measured like a let cord or sudden change of wind speed. So there's always margin of error. What's the margin of error that's acceptable? Will the margin be better than human eyes? And how we can measure the margin of errors by human eyes? :shrug:

jole
09-29-2005, 12:34 AM
Bad linesmen cost him a win in Rotterdam so his comment doesn't surprise me.

I had irl $ on him for that match. :sad:

nobama
09-29-2005, 12:49 AM
It's interesting to note that Federer himself was dead set against the introduction of line call technology when it was proposed to him by an ATP representative earlier in the year. One wonders how he might feel if and when he ever gets hooked by a bad call on an important point.What about the SF against Safin at TMC? He certainly got ripped off on a call in the 2nd set tb. Of course he still won it 20-18, but none the less the idea that Roger gets lucky from calls and other players don't is ridiculous. Roger has said in the past he's not in favor of shot spot or whatever it's called because he thought there weren't enough bad calls to justify the cost and the money could be better spent. Even if it was 99.99% accurate I still think he'd oppose it.

What's fair about a system that wouldn't be used on ever court or at every tournament?

cecilija
09-29-2005, 01:01 AM
Safin had a bad call earlier in that match
he had another bad call later of that point


What about the SF against Safin at TMC? He certainly got ripped off on a call in the 2nd set tb. Of course he still won it 20-18, but none the less the idea that Roger gets lucky from calls and other players don't is ridiculous. Roger has said in the past he's not in favor of shot spot or whatever it's called because he thought there weren't enough bad calls to justify the cost and the money could be better spent. Even if it was 99.99% accurate I still think he'd oppose it.

What's fair about a system that wouldn't be used on ever court or at every tournament?

wipeout
09-29-2005, 01:15 AM
I don't trust Hawkeye either. Someone could surely make up a set of portable high-speed little TV cameras that could be sat just in front of the linespeople and filming along the lines. The same sets of cameras could be transported between the bigger tournaments. Give a little TV monitor to the umpire with a button to replay the last 2 seconds of video in super-slow-motion and there would be no excuse for bad calls anymore.

El Legenda
09-29-2005, 01:34 AM
There's a fight thread in non-tennis, guys. ;)

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=54554

No one is fighting, im just pointing out how wrong Devied is :lol: all the Ljubo haters come out, on anything he says. Even if its better for the game, they spin it around :lol: well keep it up, but be sure you're here on Dec 4th.

El Legenda
09-29-2005, 01:35 AM
I don't trust Hawkeye either. .

I trust it more then humanEye :lol:

Lee
09-29-2005, 03:08 AM
I don't trust Hawkeye either. Someone could surely make up a set of portable high-speed little TV cameras that could be sat just in front of the linespeople and filming along the lines. The same sets of cameras could be transported between the bigger tournaments. Give a little TV monitor to the umpire with a button to replay the last 2 seconds of video in super-slow-motion and there would be no excuse for bad calls anymore.

Sounds like Mac-cam to me. The problem with Mac-cam is, it doesn't catch all the balls. :p

mandoura
09-29-2005, 03:37 AM
:lol:

Am I the only one that isn't totally convinced by the accuracy of Hawk-Eye. I often see it showing balls as out, then when you see an actual replay the ball seems good. Or often if a ball is out, on hawk-eye it seems to suggest the ball is a lot furthur out than it actually was :shrug:

No, you're not. Sometimes I even think they are not replaying the same point because no way this is the ball I've seen. :rolleyes:

nobama
09-29-2005, 04:24 AM
Safin had a bad call earlier in that match
he had another bad call later of that pointWere those on set point though? The bad call against Roger in the second set tb was on match point. But whatever, I still think it's a waste of money for the few bad calls in a match, especially when the technology right now doesn't seem to be much better than what we've currently got.

Action Jackson
10-01-2005, 06:12 AM
The machine isn't 100 percent accurate and neither is the human eye, and for most of the time the linespeople do a good job, though the bad calls are always remembered.

Black Adam
10-01-2005, 09:20 AM
I see someone is still upset about the DC spanking, that took place in Feb. ;)
I can also see that Ljubo is upset about that loss to A-Rod in USO 2003 :devil: ;)

williaer
10-01-2005, 01:39 PM
one thing i dont get about hawkeye is... why is the "ball" and oval shape when it's round??

as GeorgeWHitler said... neither are 100% accurate and people only recognise and remember the crap calls. as much as shocking calls piss me off, i dont want hawkeye to be introduced, because tennis is a sport with so much tradition and technology will wreck it